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One thing that's kind of cool about00:00:01
these is that they are using the 3D00:00:03
knitting technology that Apple literally00:00:04
invented. I think that's kind of00:00:07
interesting and cool.00:00:08
>> Am I insane or is every knit 3D?00:00:10
>> Well, everything is 3D cuz if you're00:00:12
really 3D world,00:00:14
>> but I don't know. I I want to touch it.00:00:17
I guess it's not interesting. I don't00:00:19
want to buy it.00:00:20
>> It's not interesting. Someone I'm not00:00:23
going to say any names was into Slack00:00:25
this morning asking if Apple had sent00:00:26
it. Yeah, I wanted to [laughter]00:00:29
I show it on the podcast.00:00:35
[music] >> Yo, what is up people of the internet?00:00:37
Welcome back to another episode of the00:00:39
Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm00:00:40
Marquez.00:00:41
>> I'm Andrew. >> And I'm Nintendo Switch 2. And we're00:00:43
back. [laughter] In this episode, we've00:00:45
got a $200 sock. You'll [music]00:00:49
understand what that means in a second.00:00:50
Uh Grand Theft Auto 6 is delayed. E in00:00:53
frame impressions, a new Spotify weekly00:00:55
wrapped, and we whipped together some00:00:57
main channel metrics for smartphone00:00:58
season because numbers are fun.00:01:00
>> They are.00:01:01
>> Wow. >> Yeah, that's a lot of stuff. That's a00:01:02
That's a wide variety.00:01:05
>> Cuz it's Techvember season. It doesn't00:01:07
roll off. >> It's a little more difficult.00:01:09
>> Uh but we can't call Techvember when we00:01:11
were scrging to talk about stuff this00:01:13
week.00:01:14
>> Yeah. Not as many new things are coming00:01:15
out. Like that's what September and00:01:18
October, Techtotember and Tetober are00:01:20
mostly about. And then everything's on00:01:21
the shelf for the holiday season, which00:01:23
is basically starting now because people00:01:25
are buying things around Thanksgiving00:01:27
and Black Friday and Cyber Monday and00:01:29
all that.00:01:30
>> Like socks. >> Like socks.00:01:31
>> Is that the first thing we should talk00:01:32
about? Apple socks.00:01:33
>> I'm down. I feel like we already teed it00:01:35
up.00:01:36
>> It's the news. It's the news of the of00:01:38
the week. >> It actually is the news of the week.00:01:40
>> Unfortunately, the news of the week,00:01:41
>> unfortunately. Okay, so here's what00:01:43
happened. Apple released a new fashion00:01:46
collab product. We've seen many fashion00:01:48
collab products from tech companies00:01:49
before with the likes of, I don't know,00:01:51
Supreme and whatever other fashion00:01:53
brands. Uh, this one being more popular00:01:56
overseas. Uh, it is essentially a an00:02:00
iPhone case that is knit00:02:03
and looks like a sock basically.00:02:06
>> Yeah. There's two of them.00:02:08
>> There's a long one and a short one.00:02:09
>> Yes. And they start at $14900:02:14
and [snorts] $229.00:02:17
Yeah.00:02:18
>> Wow.00:02:19
>> Yeah. So, the last time Apple did a00:02:21
fashion collab was Hermes in 2015. So,00:02:24
it was quite >> the last one.00:02:25
>> Yeah. Quite a while ago, which makes00:02:27
sense. So, this is the same guy that did00:02:29
the guy that designed the the iPhone.00:02:32
>> What's it called? It's called the iPhone00:02:34
Pocket. >> Yeah.00:02:35
>> Not to be confused with the Game Boy00:02:36
Pocket,00:02:37
>> which was awesome.00:02:38
>> Which is also awesome. But it's the same00:02:39
>> probably about the same price.00:02:40
>> Probably about the same price. Same guy00:02:42
that designed Steve Jobs turtleneck. So,00:02:45
it seems that Apple is kind of going00:02:48
with like a heritage play here. And he's00:02:50
like, but yeah, you you get two options.00:02:52
It's called iPhone Pocket because the00:02:54
whole idea of it was to have an00:02:57
additional pocket on you that you could00:02:59
carry your iPhone with.00:03:01
>> Yeah.00:03:02
>> And you know, there's a cross body one,00:03:04
>> right?00:03:05
>> That is the bigger one. That's the $23000:03:07
one.00:03:08
>> Yeah. And then there's one that is much00:03:10
shorter that is made to be sort of like00:03:12
carried around your wrist and also tied00:03:15
to things, that kind of stuff. It's just00:03:17
so incredibly easy to dunk on this. I00:03:19
will say there's one00:03:21
>> there's one thing I like about these.00:03:22
The colors.00:03:23
>> The colors are dope.00:03:24
>> Insane.00:03:25
>> They're saturated. They're confident.00:03:27
They're bold. Cuz the iPhones, we all00:03:28
know, don't have bold, saturated colors.00:03:30
Look at the You see the iPhone in the00:03:32
blue thing. It's like a dark blue, but00:03:33
then you have you have real blue and00:03:36
real orange. I would argue that the00:03:37
orange is a bright, saturated, bold00:03:41
color. >> It's the brightest and saturated and00:03:42
most bold they've done, but still00:03:44
compare it to these threads. It's00:03:45
>> Yeah. It's just that every single press00:03:47
photo00:03:48
>> of them with this bag, I just It really00:03:51
looks like satire to me.00:03:53
>> Oh, yeah. It does feel like satire.00:03:54
>> The yellow one looks like the Borat00:03:55
bathing suit.00:03:56
>> Yeah. To have [laughter] I tweeted this00:03:58
and that was one of the highest.00:04:00
>> And maybe that's just fashion. I think00:04:01
like I look the reason this feels very00:04:05
easy to dunk on for us is because we're00:04:07
western media in Asian countries. These00:04:10
cross body bags, these like smaller00:04:12
sling things are very very very popular.00:04:14
>> Yeah, they had another one they launched00:04:15
earlier this year.00:04:16
>> Arguably, it's the reason they launched00:04:18
the cross body strap for the iPhone Air.00:04:20
>> Yeah.00:04:21
>> Um so there's that. It's just that, you00:04:23
know, this looks like something that00:04:25
your grandma could make on Etsy. It's00:04:27
>> every designer club is easy to dunk on00:04:29
because they're all extremely expensive.00:04:31
Like the ar the air I don't know say00:04:33
right Hermes Apple watch bands were 20000:04:36
plus dollars00:04:37
>> right >> which is like00:04:38
>> obviously they're wellmade and they look00:04:41
really nice and I'm sure they're all00:04:43
fancy looking but like yeah00:04:44
>> it's it's a $200 Apple Watch band. So,00:04:48
uh, anytime and and this this goes way00:04:50
back. The Supreme collabs, the other00:04:52
collabs that tech companies do with00:04:53
fashion brands are just00:04:55
>> if you're not in the target demographic,00:04:57
it seems insane.00:04:59
>> Yeah. [snorts] And we are not in the00:05:00
target demographic, so it seems insane.00:05:02
>> Also, those Apple Watch bands are way00:05:04
more than $200. [laughter]00:05:06
>> The Amaze ones. How much?00:05:07
>> Uh, 350, $450. This metal one is $1,000.00:05:11
>> Yep. Nice.00:05:12
>> There you go. Just pay more than the00:05:13
watch.00:05:14
>> Yeah. So, I mean, one thing that's kind00:05:16
of cool about these is that they are00:05:17
using the 3D knitting technology that00:05:19
Apple literally invented. So, I think00:05:22
that's kind of interesting and cool.00:05:24
>> Am I insane or is every knit 3D?00:05:26
>> Well, everything is 3D cuz if you're00:05:28
really 3D world,00:05:30
>> but I don't know. I I want to touch it.00:05:34
I guess it's not interesting. I don't00:05:36
want to buy it.00:05:37
>> It's not interesting. Someone, I'm not00:05:39
going to say any names, was into Slack00:05:41
this morning asking if Apple had sent00:05:43
it.00:05:44
>> Yeah, I wanted to [laughter]00:05:46
>> I show it on the podcast.00:05:48
>> You know, it's surprising they didn't00:05:51
send this as a review unit.00:05:53
>> I feel like they've in the past not sent00:05:55
review units of things they didn't00:05:56
really00:05:58
>> have a lot of faith in.00:05:59
>> Again, it's made for the Asian market,00:06:00
so it's like clearly to us this is00:06:04
heck.00:06:05
>> They've sent some weird review unit00:06:06
things and they didn't send this. They00:06:07
also didn't send the was it the 13-in M100:06:11
Touch Bar.00:06:13
>> Oh, >> remember they didn't send that to us?00:06:15
>> Oh, when we were dunking on that because00:06:16
they like kept the Touch Bar.00:06:18
>> Yeah. Well, it was just a weird00:06:20
>> release and I and they sent they00:06:23
neglected to send it before we dunked on00:06:25
it, but we went out and bought one and00:06:27
I'm pretty sure the guy at the Apple00:06:28
store was like,00:06:29
>> "Yeah,00:06:30
>> wait, this says it's for didn't you guys00:06:32
get one of these?" And I was like,00:06:33
"Nope." And they're like, "Oh, that's00:06:34
weird."00:06:36
No, I think this is just so firmly00:06:37
targeted towards Japan. Like they they00:06:40
talk about Japan a lot. All of they say00:06:42
it's crafted in Japan. It's obviously a00:06:44
Miyaki collab. Like this is this is for00:06:46
they released the time zone dropped on00:06:48
like the Japan time zone. So it was like00:06:50
the middle of the night for us. So it's00:06:51
it's not for us.00:06:52
>> I'm just going to say it's firmly not00:06:54
for me.00:06:55
>> Yeah. But it is it is really funny that00:06:57
we wake up and we see a new $230 sock to00:06:59
hold your iPhone and we're like, "Wow,00:07:00
that's a new thing Apple did." Huh.00:07:02
Throwback to the uh iPod sock.00:07:06
>> That's actually what?00:07:07
>> Yeah. Which cost like $30 or something.00:07:09
It was much cheaper.00:07:10
>> It was much cheaper. I threw that in00:07:12
Slack and Tim thought I had photoshopped00:07:14
it to try and trick him and I was like,00:07:16
"No, man. These were real." And there00:07:17
was there was for the iPod and the iPod00:07:19
Nano.00:07:20
>> I had one for my iPod.00:07:21
>> Nice.00:07:22
>> They were really dumb.00:07:23
>> Yeah. >> Yep.00:07:24
>> Um Yeah. I don't know, man. I'm a little00:07:26
confused at this because I do I am one00:07:29
of those people that has like a little00:07:30
man purse thing. Yeah. And I have like a00:07:32
little side strap bag that I put my00:07:34
phone in sometimes when I'm going out,00:07:36
whatever. But it has like a zipper and00:07:39
like a flap to close over the top to00:07:40
secure it. This is just like the Yeah.00:07:42
Like the phone is just like exposed.00:07:44
>> Well, it's not really It goes in the00:07:46
slit and then it sinks to the bottom.00:07:48
>> But then like But it is kind of just00:07:50
like primeocket.00:07:52
>> It can hit things00:07:54
cuz it's like a pocket. It's open.00:07:55
>> It looks like when you put a bunch of00:07:56
quarters in a sock to like beat someone00:07:58
[laughter] up with.00:08:00
>> When do you do that? You don't do that.00:08:02
Andrew does that all [laughter] the00:08:03
time.00:08:04
>> Yeah, man. Got to get stuff done00:08:05
sometime.00:08:06
>> I The fashion people can have their00:08:08
moment00:08:09
>> and I'm happy for Japan.00:08:11
>> I wonder what their next collab will be.00:08:12
Place your bets now cuz they we will be00:08:14
wrong for sure.00:08:15
>> 10 years ago was the last one. So00:08:16
>> yeah, we will be wrong about the next00:08:17
one. >> Mariah called it the from the Lorax. Do00:08:21
you remember that?00:08:22
>> No idea what that is. Also I it's so00:08:24
it's a piece it's a garment from the00:08:26
Lorax Dr. Seuss book which I then pulled00:08:29
up the Seuss fandom and00:08:32
>> it says the need is a highly versatile00:08:34
object knitted from the foliage of a00:08:36
truffle tree according to the00:08:38
>> Onsler. It's a a find something that all00:08:40
people need. It cost $3.99 approximately00:08:42
$30 adjusted for inflation according to00:08:45
the Lorax book.00:08:46
>> Lorax is is very they're on top of it.00:08:49
Speaking of uh00:08:50
>> very versatile things. Okay.00:08:52
>> Like a pocket.00:08:53
>> I'll take it.00:08:54
>> Uh the OnePlus 15 dropped finally this00:08:57
week. We all seeing the designs and00:08:58
seeing all the specs and it's finally00:09:00
finally finally finally fully uh00:09:03
official and out00:09:04
>> and it's kind of a monster phone. It's a00:09:06
very interesting phone. Very uh unlike00:09:09
the usual like spec bump refresh that we00:09:11
see. This is like prime Snapdragon 800:09:14
Elite Gen 5 time when whoever wants to00:09:16
be first in that wave and come out with00:09:18
a new phone with a new chip just drops a00:09:19
new phone. This one is the new chip, but00:09:23
also a new design and also a new screen00:09:25
and also a whole bunch of new specs and00:09:27
also new software and also this crazy00:09:30
build quality and also a way worse set00:09:33
of cameras. >> I was just about to say that. [laughter]00:09:35
>> Yeah, I was just about to say that00:09:36
>> I can talk about any of this. The review00:09:38
is up by the time you are are listening00:09:40
to this podcast or watching us here. So,00:09:41
if you want to check that out, full00:09:42
review is out there. But, what do you00:09:44
guys think about this new phone?00:09:45
>> So, this is a phone that is the OPPO by00:09:48
any other name, right? This is the OPPO.00:09:50
It's basically the find X9 Pro.00:09:52
>> Yeah. Minus the good camera.00:09:54
>> Minus the good camera.00:09:55
>> That color is so good.00:09:56
>> And this is the sandstone one. And if00:09:58
you hold it, you will like it even more00:09:59
cuz it's like soft touch.00:10:00
>> I was so disappointed that you were00:10:02
telling me the cameras were bad. Because00:10:04
looking at that camera and you holding00:10:06
it and walking around, I was like, "Oh00:10:07
my god, that thing is beautiful."00:10:08
>> I had a moment where I was like, I loved00:10:11
using the rest of this phone so much. I00:10:12
was like, well, I do have the Hasselblad00:10:14
in my backpack. Maybe I just don't take00:10:16
pictures on my phone anymore. And I had00:10:17
like a week where I just00:10:18
>> That's right. That's how we do it.00:10:20
>> So, it is that good. So, they dropped00:10:23
the hassle. We're just talking about the00:10:24
camera. They dropped the Hasselblad00:10:25
branding. >> Yeah,00:10:26
>> they dropped a lot of the Hasselblad.00:10:27
>> No more XPand mode.00:10:28
>> No more XPAN mode. No more orange00:10:29
shutter button. They do still have that00:10:31
sound though,00:10:32
>> that like00:10:33
>> the leaf shutter >> leaf shutter clunk sound. So, they00:10:35
didn't totally wipe everything.00:10:36
>> Okay. >> But, uh, the sensors are all smaller,00:10:39
the apertures are all smaller, the00:10:41
photos are all worse, the videos are all00:10:43
worse, they're all noisier, the colors00:10:44
are duller, everything is worse about00:10:46
the cameras. Is the shutter button still00:10:48
orange? >> No.00:10:50
>> Yeah, I don't think it would look good00:10:51
on >> the best part. This phone looks good00:10:53
already. >> It's the virtual shutter.00:10:54
>> Oh, the virtual Okay.00:10:55
>> Yeah, the virtual shutter button is00:10:56
orange.00:10:57
>> It feels good.00:10:58
>> Tell me there's still the Xpan mode,00:11:00
though.00:11:01
>> There's not,00:11:02
>> which my real XPAN photo is much more00:11:04
valuable.00:11:05
>> Yeah, but the all the other parts of00:11:07
this phone are A+. I'm not exaggerating.00:11:11
Like the specs and the performance. the00:11:13
Snapdragon 8 Gen 5, which is paired with00:11:16
LP DDR5X Ultra Plus RAM.00:11:19
>> What?00:11:20
>> I'm going to fact check that.00:11:21
>> Yeah. 16 gigs of I've I've memorized it00:11:23
so many times. LP DDR5.00:11:25
>> Adding the word Ultra to RAM now.00:11:27
>> 10,000 megabytes per second RAM.00:11:28
>> This is Ultra Plus.00:11:29
>> Yeah, Ultra Plus. Don't forget the plus.00:11:31
Very important on the 16 gig, right? But00:11:33
it's very fast. This phone is incredibly00:11:35
quick. And there's also two new00:11:37
dedicated chips in it that make it like00:11:39
unusually quick. There's a 3200Hz touch00:11:42
response00:11:43
>> enabled by a touch response chip00:11:45
>> and there's a dedicated Wi-Fi chip00:11:47
called the G2 Wi-Fi chip00:11:49
>> and this phone loads web pages00:11:50
ridiculously fast. It's very responsive00:11:52
to the touch. It's just a like a just a00:11:55
really quick solid responsive phone all00:11:58
the time which is very encouraging.00:11:59
>> I was using Fishers last night and the00:12:01
first thing I noticed when I turned it00:12:02
on is the screen looked really freaking00:12:04
good. >> Screen is nice. It is a little brighter.00:12:07
It is a I think it's a slightly lower00:12:10
resolution than the OnePlus 13. It's00:12:12
1272 pixels across instead of 1440.00:12:16
>> Not to send this off the rails, but00:12:17
David, I'd like your thoughts on this00:12:18
cuz this uh Marquez and I going over00:12:21
[laughter] the00:12:22
>> the specs and script for this had some00:12:26
confusion00:12:28
>> about the resolution being 1.5K. He like00:12:31
wrote it in the script. He called it00:12:33
1.2K. OnePlus refers to it as the00:12:35
world's first 165 Hz 1.5K display. And00:12:38
they say it over and over and over00:12:40
again. 1.5K. 1.5K. So I keep checking00:12:43
what's that the max resolution00:12:45
>> Yeah.00:12:46
>> is like 2700 by 1272.00:12:50
>> So I'm like, why do you keep saying00:12:51
1.5K? Because the last phone was 1440.00:12:54
That's closer to 1.5K, right?00:12:57
>> And then I Googled what 1.5K means and00:12:59
it doesn't mean 1500 if anything. It00:13:03
just means somewhere between 1K and 2K.00:13:06
1440 is 2K because it's referring to00:13:10
Anyway,00:13:12
>> confusing. The LG G3 had a 2K display00:13:16
and that was a big deal.00:13:17
>> 1440. It was the world's first 144000:13:19
smartphone.00:13:20
>> Now, why would you call that 2K00:13:23
>> if the resolution is 2560 by 1440? Thank00:13:26
you. because the in between of 2560 and00:13:30
1440 the average is around 2K.00:13:33
>> Uh that would possibly be true. But I00:13:36
think what I've realized is for higher00:13:38
resolutions we refer to it by the00:13:40
horizontal resolution and for lower00:13:42
resolutions we refer to it by the00:13:43
vertical. So on YouTube when you see00:13:45
240p that's the vertical resolution.00:13:47
480p is the vertical resolution. 720p is00:13:50
1280 by 720. Right.00:13:52
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Now, when you refer to the big00:13:54
resolutions, 4K, that's roughly 4,00000:13:57
across. >> 3840 is across.00:13:58
>> Exactly. Or DCI P3, which people always00:14:01
like to talk about DCI as well.00:14:02
>> Well, P3 is a color, right?00:14:03
>> Sorry. DCI is 4096 across.00:14:05
>> 4K. Yeah.00:14:06
>> But 4K is roughly 4,000 across. And 8K00:14:09
is roughly 8,000 across, right?00:14:11
>> A lot of people are getting confused00:14:13
that 4K was four times 1080, which is00:14:16
also happens to be true, but 8K is 1600:14:19
times 1080. So, it's not referring to00:14:20
how many times 1080. Was it four * 4K?00:14:23
>> It's four times 4K.00:14:24
>> Oh, but that's eight.00:14:25
>> But that's eight. Exactly. So, but what00:14:26
if you take that and divide it by three?00:14:29
>> What? [laughter]00:14:30
>> Someone driving is just going to turn00:14:31
off the side of the road right now to00:14:33
not listen to.00:14:34
>> So, the point is we have like the K's,00:14:36
which are the horizontal resolution big00:14:38
numbers, and we have the P's, which are00:14:40
the lowresolution vertical numbers. And00:14:43
then, for some reason in between, we00:14:44
just abandon everything, and we have 2K,00:14:46
which is 2560 x440. We just call that 2K00:14:49
for I don't know what and then we just00:14:52
adopt slightly less than 2K which is00:14:54
1272 across is now 1.5K just cuz it's00:14:58
less than 2K. How does that make any00:14:59
sense?00:15:00
>> I just want there's a solid like 1000:15:01
minutes of Marquez and I with the00:15:03
scripts in front of us and me being like00:15:07
you say 1.2K and him holding up the00:15:09
phone and being like it's 1.2K and me00:15:11
being like this is the guide it says00:15:12
1.5K and him being like but it's 1.2K00:15:15
2K. I'm not going to lie. And we just00:15:17
neither would budge until we both just00:15:19
had to start googling.00:15:20
>> I'm trying to be clear about this. So00:15:21
like the reason they say 1.5 is because00:15:23
the horizontal resolution of a vertical00:15:26
phone. So you're you're saying so in in00:15:29
vertical aspect ratio?00:15:30
>> I don't think we know the answer.00:15:31
>> No, the the answer is because it's less00:15:33
than 2K but higher than 1080. That's why00:15:36
it's 1.5.00:15:37
>> But why would they talk about that as a00:15:39
benefit? because it's 1.5K and 165 Hz at00:15:43
the same time instead of having to pick00:15:44
high resolution or higher refresh.00:15:46
>> It's not the first 1.5K phone that that00:15:48
actually helped us move forward on this00:15:50
is there are other 1.5K phones00:15:52
definitely just marketing.00:15:53
>> It's just the first 1.5K00:15:55
165 Hz phone.00:15:56
>> Yep.00:15:57
>> Well, I'm the first person named David00:15:59
who also00:16:00
>> is wearing a blue shirt.00:16:01
>> Wearing a blue shirt and is in Carne,00:16:03
New Jersey right now.00:16:04
>> Yeah. So, that's00:16:05
>> I would bet that's not even true.00:16:08
[laughter] >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. But yeah,00:16:10
anyway, so they OnePlus, I'm sure in00:16:12
their presentation says 1.5K many times.00:16:15
There is no part of the screen that is00:16:16
1,500 of anything.00:16:18
>> It is simply less than 2K,00:16:21
>> which is why they say 1.5.00:16:23
>> I have a potential answer to your thing00:16:25
about horizontal versus vertical00:16:27
resolutions.00:16:28
>> Okay. Is it because we only used to have00:16:31
a horizontal video and so when we look00:16:34
at something in a vertical format, we00:16:36
kind of just consider it horizontal00:16:38
video that's tilted 90°. I think this is00:16:41
this was true before we got a bunch of00:16:43
vertical video. Like like 10 years ago00:16:45
when we got the first 8K TVs and 4K,00:16:47
everything was horizontal. Just it was00:16:49
just like a nice marketing number. Ooh,00:16:50
4K. Ooh, 8K. But 1080 is 1920 x 1080.00:16:55
So, I would say 2K because that feels00:16:57
like 2,000 across, but that's not 2K.00:17:00
>> It's 1080. >> Why didn't we call it 1920? Why did we00:17:03
say 1080p?00:17:04
>> I would have I would have been the guy00:17:05
that called that 2K back in the day. I00:17:06
technically would have been wrong.00:17:08
>> Well, then there's the whole thing with00:17:09
like HD. There's two definitions of HD.00:17:12
>> Yeah. Well, I know about the Hill HD00:17:14
thing cuz I happen to use that word very00:17:16
often.00:17:17
>> All right.00:17:18
I I think 1080 and above deserves to be00:17:21
called HD, but many circles say 720 is00:17:24
included in HD.00:17:25
>> 720 HD originally meant 720. I thought00:17:28
1920 was called full HD.00:17:31
>> It did. So 720p was was HD and then00:17:34
1080p was FHD. And technically 2K, which00:17:38
is 1440p, is QHD, which is quad HD00:17:41
because HD is 720 and it's quad 720. And00:17:45
then 4K is full HD which is00:17:48
>> ultra high definition ultra high00:17:49
>> 3840 because it's four times 1080 is HD00:17:55
>> it's a lot00:17:56
>> the good the goodiest high definition.00:17:58
Yeah. >> All that to say screen pretty nice.00:18:01
[laughter] >> Yeah. I mean hey what about the rest of00:18:03
the phone?00:18:04
>> Yeah. Uh battery00:18:06
>> battery00:18:07
>> sickest phone I've used ever00:18:09
>> for battery. 7,300 mAh00:18:13
>> silicon carbon, highest silicon content00:18:16
of any anode we've seen. Uh, and also it00:18:18
lasts longer than the the I mean, I00:18:20
didn't get to main this cuz my SIM card00:18:21
wasn't working. So, I I can't like fully00:18:23
like rest my laurels on this, but it was00:18:24
lasting longer than the 7500 mAh Xiaomi00:18:27
17 Pro Max.00:18:28
>> This cuz they kill background tasks and00:18:30
like that's the whole thing. It's00:18:31
>> Does it not have bands? Is that why?00:18:33
>> Um, it just wouldn't let me do my AT&T00:18:35
SIM transfer. So, I got a T-Mobile SIM00:18:37
like super late. Oh, either way,00:18:39
incredible battery life00:18:41
>> and 100 watt charging outside of the US,00:18:43
80 watt charging here and 50 watt00:18:44
wireless charging and bypass charging00:18:46
and charge limiting if you want. Like,00:18:48
it's an awesome battery.00:18:49
>> Isn't there a thing where it reverse00:18:50
wireless charges at 25 watts?00:18:52
>> You can do that, too. I think it's00:18:53
>> 22.5 W.00:18:54
>> That was the Xiaomi that did 22 and 1200:18:56
reverse. I don't know if this one does00:18:57
it too, but it does reverse if you want.00:18:59
>> Got it.00:19:00
>> Um, so awesome. Awesome battery00:19:02
experience. And then it has this like00:19:04
crazy ceramic finish or nano arc00:19:08
something. I don't even know exactly00:19:09
what they're calling it. Like they did00:19:10
this crazy finish to the metal where00:19:13
it's basically ultra ultra hard and00:19:14
scratch resistant. So you can00:19:16
>> That's pretty hard to me.00:19:17
>> Yeah. You can you can you can drag a00:19:18
coin across the back of it and it leaves00:19:20
a nasty looking scratch and then you00:19:22
just wipe it off because you've realized00:19:24
it's scratched the metal of the coin off00:19:25
onto the back of the phone.00:19:27
>> It's it's super durable. [snorts]00:19:29
>> So I did a whole short just showing that00:19:31
in action.00:19:32
>> Two questions. Yeah.00:19:33
>> One, does it have mags safe pixels/2?00:19:38
>> That is probably the biggest missing00:19:39
feature. They do have cases with magnets00:19:41
in them, but it is not built into the00:19:43
phone. So, >> okay. Second question. Uh, it's really00:19:46
scratch resistant, right? So, does that00:19:48
mean that it's more likely to shatter if00:19:49
you drop it?00:19:50
>> I So, in theory, yes. I just don't test00:19:55
that. So, I don't know. I don't know.00:19:57
And I'm sure Zach's going to get his00:19:58
hands on this and and do a scratch00:20:00
testing. But >> I was wondering if they had anything00:20:01
like in the review guides or something00:20:02
like, "Don't worry about that. It's00:20:03
fine."00:20:04
>> No, they didn't. I mean, they they did00:20:05
talk a big game about the finish, and it00:20:07
feels great in the hand, which is like00:20:08
the most important thing. It's got this00:20:09
little micro texture to it. I was using00:20:11
the matte black one, which actually00:20:12
feels even more different from that.00:20:14
>> But really, I I love the finish on the00:20:16
back. >> It does feel very hard.00:20:18
>> Yeah. [laughter]00:20:19
>> I don't really00:20:20
>> I think it's fiberglass on the back and00:20:21
then the the nano arc whatever is on the00:20:24
rails, >> but it feels great. I love the nano arc.00:20:26
Whatever.00:20:27
>> Yeah. Um, so yeah, everything about this00:20:29
phone was was great and then the cameras00:20:31
were a huge letd down. So I'm like I00:20:33
could daily this phone, but I would just00:20:34
be super disappointed with00:20:36
>> if it had the Oppo X9 cameras.00:20:38
>> That would be nice.00:20:39
>> Funny you mentioned that because I was00:20:41
crossopping those two phones as you do00:20:43
when you have no intention of buying the00:20:45
phones.00:20:46
>> Am I the only one? Right. Just watching00:20:47
videos constantly about00:20:48
>> Sure. You have no intention of buying00:20:49
the phone? >> Not yet. Uh, would you say that the00:20:52
OnePlus 15 is the 15, right? OnePlus 1500:20:56
is like just the Oppo Find X9 Pro but00:21:00
for the states or are there like00:21:03
dramatic differences or meaningful00:21:04
differences between the two besides the00:21:06
camera obviously? >> I mean aesthetically yes. Uh software00:21:09
wise also like Oxygen OS is closer and00:21:12
closer to Color OS that it kind of feels00:21:13
like that's also00:21:14
>> remember they temporarily changed it to00:21:16
Color OS and people got mad even though00:21:17
it was like the same software.00:21:19
>> Yeah. So they call it oxygen OS but00:21:21
basically the same >> is sick too though.00:21:22
>> Coloros is good.00:21:23
>> I didn't even remember it.00:21:24
>> It is00:21:25
>> I that morning I was watching a video on00:21:28
color on the [laughter] podcast.00:21:30
>> Yeah, it it does have a bunch of things00:21:31
like uh you know how subtle things. You00:21:34
notice when you open Google Maps it's00:21:37
not 120 Hz anymore. Your phone or waves?00:21:40
>> I almost I don't00:21:41
>> it's always in Android Auto. So I almost00:21:43
never >> Did you notice that Android Auto is not00:21:45
120 Hz?00:21:46
>> I guess I never thought. I guess I'm my00:21:48
eyes are usually on the road. [laughter]00:21:49
>> So yeah, this is this is like picky00:21:52
picky picky little stuff, but like00:21:54
certain apps Android defaults to not run00:21:57
at 120 Hz to save battery. Like maps,00:22:00
like you don't need 120 Hz maps. You're00:22:02
just going to, you know, update for your00:22:03
navigation. Well, okay, perfect. Because00:22:06
in this phone, you can go through and00:22:08
choose your max refresh rate on an00:22:10
appbyapp basis. And so you you open it00:22:13
up and you see everything set to 120 and00:22:15
then you see ways and maps and Android00:22:16
Auto are set to 90 by default. And you00:22:18
can just bump them up to 120 and00:22:20
suddenly you have the smoothest maps00:22:21
experience of any Android phone. That00:22:23
type of stuff pretty fire. There's a lot00:22:25
of little settings you can mess with.00:22:27
There's also plenty of stuff you don't00:22:28
have to touch. Like I don't use their AI00:22:30
stuff. I don't use mine space but it's00:22:33
there if you want to. Uh yeah, really00:22:36
really good phone. Really useful phone.00:22:38
But do they sell a pocket for it? There00:22:41
is no pocket for it, but I'm sure you00:22:42
could put it in the Apple pocket.00:22:44
>> I don't know. >> You just put it in a sock.00:22:45
>> Probably explode if you put it in the00:22:47
>> You just buy a $200 sock. You can get00:22:50
amazing socks for $200.00:22:51
>> You get the [clears throat] Teenage Engineering socks.00:22:54
>> How much $7? Oh, yeah.00:22:55
>> No, they're not that expensive.00:22:57
>> But you can only get them if you buy the00:22:59
whole >> No, I think you buy them separately.00:23:01
>> Oh, really? Yeah. How much were they?00:23:02
>> Oh, they're $29 for two pair.00:23:04
>> 30 bucks for two pairs.00:23:05
>> Well, we actually not sure if it's00:23:06
>> We're definitely sure it's two pairs.00:23:08
>> You can get six pairs of those socks.00:23:10
Okay. Anyway, I like the phone a lot.00:23:13
Watch the full review.00:23:14
>> I really want to throw this against00:23:15
concrete and see what happens.00:23:17
>> I don't think that's how it works.00:23:18
>> Well, that's the whole thing, right?00:23:20
It's hard. >> Well, if you're going to you don't do00:23:23
you don't use a case on your phone.00:23:24
>> N.00:23:25
>> So, like the screen's going to shatter00:23:26
anyway.00:23:27
>> Maybe. >> So,00:23:30
>> I don't know. What if I threw it00:23:31
sideways? You know, >> I feel like he's imagining he throws it00:23:34
and the concrete just like splits00:23:35
underneath it. [laughter]00:23:36
>> Like when a superhero waves.00:23:38
>> Yeah, that's true. That would be fire. I00:23:40
mean, it kind of feels like you should00:23:41
be able to do that.00:23:42
>> Well, uh, speaking of surprising,00:23:45
>> speaking of superheroes,00:23:46
>> we've gone so far off script already. I00:23:49
don't know what any of you are trying to00:23:50
segue, too.00:23:51
>> I was going to go for the iPhone Air00:23:53
next. >> I know. I was going for LeBron.00:23:55
>> Oh, uh, superheroes. I get it. Well,00:23:57
which one?00:23:58
>> Do you want to do that?00:24:00
>> Which one? >> LeBron quick and then we'll jump to00:24:01
iPhone.00:24:02
>> Yeah. LeBron has this new show on his uh00:24:05
his YouTube channel. It's called00:24:07
Uninterrupted. And the show's called The00:24:09
Main Thing. And he's got these00:24:10
interviews. He's interviewing six people00:24:12
>> a day.00:24:13
>> Um, >> wait, it's his YouTube channel.00:24:15
>> It's Well, yeah, he runs the company, so00:24:17
it's like kind of his YouTube channel.00:24:18
>> Oh, but it's not like LeBron James.00:24:20
>> It's not LeBron James, but it's00:24:21
uninterrupted. And it's the LeBron00:24:23
interview show called The Main Thing.00:24:25
>> And LeBron does edit all of it.00:24:27
>> Yeah. Yeah. He's got this incredible eye00:24:29
for color correction. [laughter] I don't00:24:30
know if you guys knew that.00:24:32
>> So, you guys play basketball while00:24:33
you're doing the interview? No, he so we00:24:35
I was [laughter] one of the00:24:37
>> I was one of the guests. It was a good00:24:38
time. Uh we shot it like two months ago00:24:41
or something. I don't even remember when00:24:42
we shot this, but it was a good00:24:45
>> It was a good interview and it's finally00:24:47
up now. So if you want to watch it, it's00:24:49
on YouTube.00:24:50
>> Wait, do you want to guess what they00:24:51
actually played during the interview?00:24:52
>> Um00:24:53
>> Fortnite.00:24:54
>> How about we play a video game?00:24:58
>> Did you actually play the video game?00:24:59
>> We played two video games.00:25:01
>> Okay. Oh, I saw them give you one from00:25:03
2004 and one Oh, you saw it.00:25:05
>> I saw him give you a controller and I00:25:07
thought it was maybe one of those fake00:25:08
shoots where it's like I'm gaming, but00:25:10
actually not.00:25:11
>> Well, so the TV was like on the other00:25:13
side of the room and we were playing00:25:14
like really far away. We played Madden.00:25:17
>> Wait. Oh, that's what I was going to00:25:18
guess. >> Oh, I didn't know you Oh, so yeah, you00:25:20
were right. You [snorts] were totally00:25:21
going to get it.00:25:22
>> Oh, [laughter] sweet.00:25:23
>> Madden04 and Madden 26.00:25:25
>> So, the one on the N6400:25:26
>> was Madden04.00:25:27
>> On the N64,00:25:28
>> I think it was an N64. I don't actually00:25:30
remember which console it was.00:25:32
>> Was the controller like00:25:34
>> describe the controller.00:25:35
>> Was it for someone in the video?00:25:37
[laughter] >> Like the middle? I don't think it was00:25:38
that middlear,00:25:40
>> but it was 04. So, whatever console you00:25:42
could get Madden04 on back in the day,00:25:44
that's what we play. >> I actually 04. I I got my Xbox in00:25:49
seventh grade, which would be 2003. So,00:25:51
probably would have been Xbox or00:25:52
PlayStation 2, right? Yeah,00:25:54
>> that feels right. Maybe PlayStation 2.00:25:56
Yeah, >> I think it's past N64. Either way, uh,00:25:59
we yes, we did actually play the game00:26:00
and it was distracting trying to00:26:03
interview each other and play Madden.00:26:05
And also, if you're competitive, we're00:26:07
trying to beat each other in Madden. So,00:26:08
>> wait, what football team did you pick?00:26:10
>> I don't remember. I think I picked the00:26:11
Broncos.00:26:13
>> Why would you?00:26:14
>> Cuz I don't play Madden and I don't00:26:15
really I don't know who's good in 2004.00:26:18
>> I'm not even a football.00:26:20
>> Wait, why are you guys playing a00:26:21
football game?00:26:22
>> So, Madden uh LeBron's a big Madden guy.00:26:24
He plays a lot of Madden.00:26:25
>> Why isn't he Why isn't he a football00:26:27
player? Well, he used to be a football00:26:29
player. >> Really? >> Yeah. And now he plays basketball. And00:26:31
it was funny because I chatted with him00:26:32
about NBA 2K and his biggest gripe was00:26:34
that it's not realistic enough, which is00:26:36
I mean, you're a basketball. [laughter]00:26:38
>> Obviously, you're not going to think00:26:39
it's perfect, but it was funny because I00:26:41
think that's what an NFL player would00:26:43
say about Madden, >> too. But what's the other game you guys00:26:45
played?00:26:46
>> That was it. So, Madden04 and then we00:26:48
switched to Madden 26. So, we played the00:26:50
old Madden and then the newest Madden to00:26:52
sort of compare them. It was a fun00:26:54
little >> What were your thoughts on the00:26:55
differences? uh feels like you're00:26:58
playing with polygons in the first one.00:26:59
Yeah. Which is very it's very old00:27:01
school. There's very few plays.00:27:03
>> And the characters00:27:05
>> move like um they don't move like they00:27:07
have joints. They move like they're kind00:27:09
of like on rails sort of and like you00:27:12
can move in00:27:13
>> vectors of like lightweight pulleys that00:27:15
control their arms and keep them at only00:27:17
68 pounds.00:27:19
>> Neo robot.00:27:20
>> Yeah. Thanks. I was I was reaching00:27:22
[clears throat] >> it was it was fun to see to contrast the00:27:25
difference between old00:27:28
>> hyperrealistic game and new hyper00:27:30
realistic game and then think about the00:27:32
future of that which would have been00:27:33
fun. So yeah, you can go watch that too.00:27:34
That's on the interrupted YouTube00:27:35
channel.00:27:36
>> Okay. Well, speaking of something that's00:27:38
getting interrupted,00:27:39
>> shipments of the iPhone air.00:27:41
>> Ah,00:27:42
>> wow. That was so good.00:27:43
>> A lot of people sent me this headline.00:27:45
>> Yeah. So,00:27:47
I think that we need to make the00:27:48
distinction that this is all alleged.00:27:51
>> Yeah. >> Um, a lot of the headlines were not00:27:53
saying alleged, but the original source00:27:56
was alleged. So, it's alleged.00:27:58
>> Allegedly,00:27:59
>> as with any leaks.00:28:00
>> Yes. So, as we know, apparently the00:28:03
iPhone Air is not doing well, which I am00:28:05
still confused about because my00:28:06
anecdotal evidence in New York City00:28:09
>> in Greenpoint00:28:10
>> in Greenpoint [laughter]00:28:13
>> says to me,00:28:14
>> very representative of America00:28:15
[laughter] >> that this is selling very well. Uh yeah,00:28:17
apparently iPhone Air is not selling00:28:19
well and selling so badly that they are00:28:22
going to not release the one that they00:28:24
were going to release next year, which00:28:26
to be fair, they're releasing the iPhone00:28:28
Fold next year, so they would have had00:28:30
just so many phones.00:28:31
>> Allegedly.00:28:32
>> Allegedly.00:28:33
>> Maybe.00:28:34
>> Um and instead they're going to wait00:28:35
until 2027, spring at the earliest, when00:28:39
they will add a second camera lens00:28:40
because apparently that has been one of00:28:42
the main gripes. So, they're not00:28:44
completely getting rid of the iPhone Air00:28:46
idea like they did with the mini. Rest00:28:48
in peace. Um, but they are Yeah, they're00:28:51
just going to modify it and add a second00:28:53
camera. I'm just going to say I'm not00:28:55
sure that the lack of a second camera00:28:57
was the reason people were not buying00:28:58
this phone.00:28:59
>> Yeah,00:29:00
>> Apple. But,00:29:01
>> I don't know that to be true. That was a00:29:04
reason why a lot of people that I saw00:29:06
were not buying it was because they were00:29:07
scared of it not having a second lens.00:29:10
>> I think there are two main reasons. not00:29:12
a second lens and a bigger battery. So,00:29:14
if they just added a second lens and00:29:15
just made it a little thicker to get a00:29:17
little bit more battery00:29:18
>> and maybe even dropped the price a00:29:19
little. [laughter]00:29:20
>> I'm actually kind of wondering why this00:29:22
phone is not selling well00:29:24
>> because it costs $200 more than a better00:29:26
phone. >> But how much phones cost in the US00:29:29
doesn't seem to matter to people because00:29:30
everyone's on a payment plan.00:29:32
>> But this is worldwide. So, it's like,00:29:33
okay, in the US maybe more people will00:29:35
go with this phone and especially in00:29:37
certain places. But then like outside of00:29:39
that like the enthusiasts are picking00:29:44
the best phone they can get.00:29:45
>> Yeah.00:29:46
>> And the normal people are picking the00:29:48
most accessible phone they can get. Then00:29:50
what is the person that picks the more00:29:52
expensive but slightly less functional00:29:54
phone?00:29:55
>> The people who buy the sock.00:29:57
>> That is actually true.00:29:59
>> Yes, that is true.00:30:00
>> Yes. But it's also not that much more.00:30:02
It's like it's still cheaper than the00:30:04
Pro.00:30:05
>> Right. So there's that. But if you're if00:30:08
you're going to spend more money, what00:30:09
do you want out of that? It00:30:10
>> depends on who you are.00:30:11
>> Yeah, fair enough. I think for maybe00:30:14
most people, you're spending more hoping00:30:16
to get a phone that's better and lasts00:30:18
longer and is like better battery,00:30:21
better cameras and stuff like that. And00:30:22
so you you see that the Pro is that and00:30:24
you go straight to the Pro and you skip00:30:27
over the Air, which is in the middle of00:30:28
them.00:30:29
>> If there are some people who obviously00:30:31
go in the store, pick it up, love it,00:30:32
hold it, amazed by it, they're going to00:30:34
buy that because they like it. But I00:30:36
just think that's less people than they00:30:37
expected.00:30:38
>> I will say as well to my anecdotal00:30:40
evidence, I see so many pros.00:30:42
>> I do see a lot of pros.00:30:44
>> It seems like everyone upgraded this00:30:46
year. >> Yeah, it's crazy.00:30:48
>> Wait, before we get off the pricing00:30:49
talk, do you want to know how much the00:30:51
iPhone air is monthly if you were to get00:30:53
it through Apple?00:30:54
>> $3700:30:55
>> 41. And the regular iPhone 17 is 33.00:31:00
>> Okay. I don't think most I don't know.00:31:01
So if even if you're doing a payment00:31:03
plan, it's like that's not even the00:31:04
cheapest one.00:31:05
>> Yeah. It's not the cheapest. Yeah.00:31:07
>> Do you guys think for the average00:31:10
consumer who's not sick in the head like00:31:13
us?00:31:14
>> Yeah. >> That the 16E actually makes the air a00:31:18
difficult value proposition, which hear00:31:21
me out, right?00:31:22
>> Guess is going to come over this table.00:31:24
[laughter] But I think because I think a00:31:28
lot of people who are not in our world00:31:30
see it's an iPhone with one camera and00:31:33
then they do some research and the00:31:35
functional differences between them that00:31:37
other than processing power and RAM and00:31:39
stuff like that which I would assume the00:31:41
kind of people who are choosing between00:31:43
like which iPhone to get and are not00:31:44
getting the Pro are not really thinking00:31:45
about you get high refresh screen.00:31:48
>> Mhm.00:31:49
>> Mag Safe and thinness.00:31:51
>> Yeah. And other things they won't notice00:31:53
like pro chip. Exactly. And that is a00:31:55
pretty big price discrepancy between 16e00:31:57
and Air. And I'm not saying anyone's00:31:59
going to choose the 16e over the Air,00:32:01
but do you think it makes the value prop00:32:03
of the Air a little bit more confusing?00:32:06
>> I think there's a there's something to00:32:08
that. I just think the second it costs00:32:09
more than the base 17, it was confusing.00:32:12
I think when you have the base 1700:32:14
sitting there which is like the easy to00:32:16
understand newest iPhone and then they00:32:18
also have a more expensive iPhone which00:32:21
is very pretty but is [snorts] a worse00:32:24
it's a single camera it is less battery00:32:26
it is all these downsides. Yeah,00:32:28
>> that is already00:32:30
>> that's true >> of sort of00:32:31
>> the only benefit is that it's thinner00:32:33
and more sort of like premium and pretty00:32:35
>> pretty00:32:36
>> but it's missing a camera has worse00:32:38
battery.00:32:39
>> One of my best friends who's a 16e owner00:32:42
and like generally likes it.00:32:44
>> When she went to go buy it, she was00:32:47
really not sure about one camera. She's00:32:48
not00:32:49
>> techy at all and she was like, "How am I00:32:51
gonna get by00:32:53
>> with just one camera?"00:32:54
>> And the Apple Store employee was like,00:32:55
"No, no, we're doing this thing. called00:32:57
fusion camera like like don't worry like00:32:59
you're going to get a lot of good out of00:33:00
this like this is the future this is the00:33:02
way >> three camera lenses in one00:33:03
>> yeah exactly like the whole feel and00:33:05
then when the 17 regular came out and it00:33:07
still had two cameras even though Apple00:33:09
never said they were going to do it she00:33:10
was like00:33:11
>> wait a second [laughter]00:33:15
>> yeah yeah and me [laughter]00:33:18
>> they do so I mean you can't you can't00:33:21
fake an ultra wide you can kind of fake00:33:23
some some amount of zoom but if you have00:33:25
a really good telephoto, that's always00:33:27
going to be better.00:33:28
>> Yeah. >> Uh I saw a take on Twitter recently.00:33:30
Maybe I'll find it again that was kind00:33:32
of like someone was saying I take better00:33:34
pictures now that I only have one camera00:33:36
because I am more intentional. And the00:33:38
random shots that I was going to take00:33:40
with the zoom were always worse because00:33:43
they would just be like lazily zooming00:33:44
in with the software instead of00:33:46
intentionally framing it up with the00:33:48
single primary camera.00:33:49
>> Primary zoom.00:33:50
>> What kind of are you?00:33:52
>> That is exactly Yeah, that's a real uh00:33:55
cope. But it is.00:33:56
>> Yeah. I mean, it's it's the same excuse00:33:58
that a lot of film photographers use.00:34:00
>> Yeah. >> And more intentional because it's00:34:02
harder. That was one of my old old hot00:34:04
takes was primes are stupid.00:34:06
>> What?00:34:07
>> What? >> Prime stupid.00:34:08
>> We need to cut this before this is a00:34:10
three-hour episode.00:34:11
>> Primes are primes are just not bonus00:34:14
episode opinion.00:34:15
>> I have an opposite.00:34:16
>> Prove me wrong. [laughter]00:34:18
>> Primes are just so bad.00:34:20
>> Did any of you guys see the Toy Story00:34:22
trailer? >> Do it with your feet, man.00:34:24
Toy Story 5 trailer. No.00:34:26
>> Was it with your feet? [laughter]00:34:30
>> Zoom like [clears throat] this.00:34:31
>> No, I did not see the Toy Story 500:34:33
trailer. >> I'm imagining Marquez [laughter]00:34:35
>> with his feet up on his zoom lens.00:34:39
>> Zoom with [laughter] your feet, bro.00:34:41
>> Spongebob toes like,00:34:44
>> um, this is very fast. But did none of00:34:46
you guys saw the Toy Story 5 trailer?00:34:48
>> No. >> It is all it is.00:34:50
>> Oh, I did see a frame from it. Yeah. is00:34:53
um a box in like Andy's room or I don't00:34:56
even know if it's Andy anymore. Uh all00:34:58
of the toys like quivering and freaking00:35:00
out and then at the end they pull out a00:35:02
tablet and it's basically just I guess00:35:04
the new movie is about all the toys00:35:06
being really scared of the tablet taking00:35:08
away00:35:09
>> honestly fire concept.00:35:11
>> That's a good that seems like a good00:35:12
like AI trailer someone would make on00:35:14
Twitter and you're like a ha good idea00:35:15
but they're actually going to make this00:35:16
a movie.00:35:17
>> This is from Pixar. I want to ask your00:35:18
opinion on this, Andrew, as the only00:35:20
parent in the room because I have a00:35:21
friend who now has two children and he00:35:23
is struggling making sure that they00:35:25
don't not you, Ellis. [laughter]00:35:27
>> Making sure that they don't have um00:35:29
tablet tablet kids like how is that00:35:32
working out for you? >> The only time she looks at a tablet is00:35:35
cuz we have one for FaceTime with some00:35:36
family. Um, she watches TV sometimes and00:35:40
then like if we're on a really long car00:35:42
ride and like pushing bedtime or like00:35:44
something where we're getting real00:35:45
cranky, then I can throw on her favorite00:35:48
show.00:35:49
>> But does she have like a bunch of toys00:35:50
like and that's what you00:35:52
>> She has toys. She loves to play. Yeah.00:35:54
Yeah. Play with toys.00:35:55
>> Follow question. Is she up or down over00:35:58
time on her Poly Market account?00:36:00
[laughter]00:36:01
>> She's terrible at Poly Market.00:36:04
>> Always making all these bets. No, I I I00:36:07
am an iPad kid. I think [laughter]00:36:09
>> I They didn't have the iPad when you00:36:11
were a kid.00:36:12
>> No, I'm I am an iPad kid now.00:36:13
>> Currently kid.00:36:15
>> I like make food, sit down at the like00:36:18
in the living room and then I'm just00:36:19
like scrolling through like Claire will00:36:21
be done eating dinner. I'm like, we00:36:22
haven't even picked what to watch yet.00:36:25
>> Claire, help me. Stop eating.00:36:28
>> Yeah. >> Oh my god.00:36:30
>> I think I eat more of my meals with a00:36:32
screen in front of me than not.00:36:33
>> Oh my god. Lately, I'm not doing that00:36:34
because now I eat dinner with Lane and00:36:36
Claire and we don't do it in front of00:36:37
the TV. But yeah, before I would like00:36:39
actually get mad at Claire sometimes. We00:36:41
used to be country. We used to be00:36:44
>> You should try it.00:36:45
>> Meal time.00:36:46
>> Check out the meal time video subreddit.00:36:48
Tell me that's not just bangers.00:36:50
>> I do know about that.00:36:51
>> Videos 20 20 30 minute videos that you00:36:54
just sit it down and eat your and it's00:36:55
just great.00:36:56
>> That seems like a great subreddit to00:36:58
spam your YouTube channel on to00:37:00
>> probably loyal followers. But it's got00:37:02
to be like the Yeah, that perfect length00:37:05
of video. >> I hope that Toy Story 5 I hope that the00:37:08
big ethical question that they explore00:37:10
is what's happening to our children with00:37:12
the iPad. I00:37:13
>> feel like it's got to be.00:37:14
>> I really hope so.00:37:15
>> Based on the trailer,00:37:16
>> it's a big thing. It's a big deal. It's00:37:17
a big ethical question.00:37:18
>> There's a lot of iPad kids.00:37:19
>> The funny thing about it is the amount00:37:21
of kids that will probably watch Toy00:37:22
Story 5 on an iPad is a large percentage00:37:25
after00:37:26
>> and they will understand what they're00:37:27
watching. They won't be like, "Is this00:37:30
bad for my brain development?"00:37:31
>> No, they're going to have it split00:37:32
screen with Google Docs [laughter] and00:37:34
Poly Market picture and pictures trading00:37:38
stocks while watching Toy Story 5 in00:37:40
their diaper.00:37:41
>> All right. Well, let's take a quick00:37:43
break and do some trivia and we got a00:37:44
little more to talk about after, but00:37:46
let's hit it.00:37:50
>> Scooby Doobydoo.00:37:52
>> Guys, I have two potential questions for00:37:54
today I figured I'd ask. Would you00:37:56
rather answer a question about battery00:37:59
sizes?00:38:00
>> H00:38:01
>> or socks.00:38:03
>> Socks.00:38:04
>> Socks. >> Battery sizes.00:38:06
>> Um guys, that iPhone sock is really00:38:08
expensive. But00:38:10
>> oh, >> what is more expensive? [snorts]00:38:14
A the most recent brand new in package,00:38:18
excuse me, brand new inbox listing sold00:38:21
on eBay like the view old sold products00:38:23
of a fivepack of the original 200400:38:26
[music] iPod socks.00:38:29
Really long unopened00:38:30
>> unopened five pack [music] in the00:38:32
packaging. B the short strap iPhone00:38:36
pocket, not the [music] long strap for00:38:38
>> 150. or C. A pair of plain white men's00:38:42
socks from the fashion brand Balenciaga.00:38:45
[laughter]00:38:47
>> That's two socks.00:38:48
>> Oh god. Plain white man. You know how a00:38:50
plain white t-shirt would be like $200?00:38:52
>> I I also realize it's a little confusing00:38:54
because like you know the first item is00:38:57
five socks, the second item is one sock,00:38:59
and the third item is two socks. So00:39:01
we're going by SKS here. Just make it00:39:03
clear. >> Plain white. Like there's not even a00:39:04
Balenciaga logo on it. It says the word00:39:07
Balenciaga in black text.00:39:08
>> I know what the answer is. [laughter]00:39:12
>> All right. Well, we'll we'll think about00:39:13
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>> All right, welcome back. I'm going to do00:42:38
a very, very quick recap of GTA 600:42:41
getting delayed because I don't think00:42:43
any of us here00:42:44
>> I've never played GTA before.00:42:45
>> I played some older ones. God, what is00:42:46
wrong with00:42:47
>> I've only sat on the couch during co and00:42:49
watched Michael Fischer play GTA. That's00:42:51
all that's all I've done.00:42:52
>> That's that's on the couch playing.00:42:54
Yeah, >> I guess.00:42:55
>> Well, okay. So, Grand Theft Auto has00:42:58
been delayed till November 19th, 2026.00:43:01
>> Let's go, baby.00:43:02
>> It's No, that is one year from now. Um,00:43:04
it had already been delayed to May 2026,00:43:07
but now I guess months before that even00:43:09
happening, they decided we can't even00:43:10
hit that one. We're delaying another00:43:12
year.00:43:13
>> Let's go. Um, that's that's a a long00:43:16
time. It's already the meme of like we00:43:18
already got blank and blank before GTA00:43:21
like everywhere. So, um,00:43:22
>> with the iPhone sock before GTA00:43:24
>> we got the [laughter] iPhones.00:43:25
>> Isn't that the one that had the trailer00:43:26
come out that was super super viral?00:43:28
>> Yep. >> That was GTA 6.00:43:29
>> Oh, yeah.00:43:30
>> It's like one of the highest viewed00:43:32
YouTube videos of all time. >> So, what do you think is delaying it?00:43:34
What do you00:43:35
>> So their official quote was, "We are00:43:36
sorry for adding additional time to what00:43:38
we realize has been a long wait, but00:43:39
these extra months will allow us to00:43:40
finish the game with level of polish00:43:42
that you have come to expect and00:43:43
deserve."00:43:44
>> Well, one of the biggest poly market uh00:43:47
bets [laughter]00:43:48
is whether or not GTA 6 will be over00:43:50
$100. And there's people have put so00:43:54
much money into this bet.00:43:55
>> Over. It's got to be over, right?00:43:58
>> The bundle or just the game?00:44:00
>> I think just the base game. like just00:44:01
$100.00:44:03
Usually games are like 607.00:44:05
>> Put your money where your mouth is. Is00:44:06
that like [laughter]00:44:08
2K? You can spend over $100 on a new00:44:11
copy of 2K.00:44:12
>> Uh but the base copy is like 80 or 90 I00:44:15
think you and that's one of the more00:44:17
expensive. >> Well, yeah, but they've been working on00:44:18
GTA 6 for like it's like the biggest00:44:21
game ever. >> That's true. It has the most hype. It00:44:23
has the most like people waiting for it00:44:25
and delays. I mean, it's essentially00:44:26
infinite demand and they can make00:44:28
infinite supply. I think if they made it00:44:30
110 bucks, people would buy it.00:44:31
>> Yes, they would.00:44:32
>> Don't say that.00:44:33
>> I'm just [laughter] It's true. I It's I00:44:35
hate saying it because I don't want it00:44:36
to be true, but it's like one of those00:44:38
things where it's like I we want it to00:44:39
be 40 bucks.00:44:40
>> Remember how mad people were I mean,00:44:41
this is exactly what happened with Mario00:44:42
Kart World. People were so mad that it00:44:44
was $80, but it's exactly what you're00:44:46
saying. People will still buy it.00:44:48
>> Yeah. They'll grumble all the way to the00:44:49
cash register.00:44:50
>> Yeah. And00:44:51
>> there was some insane stat that was like00:44:53
95% of people who own a Switch 2 also00:44:56
own Mario Kart World. Well, that's cuz00:44:58
there's no other games out for it except00:44:59
for00:45:00
>> it's the best game for it. But yeah,00:45:02
that's that's fair. Yeah.00:45:03
>> You know what really pisses me off about00:45:05
this delay? >> What?00:45:06
>> That I've been doing a good job of keep00:45:08
putting it out of my head that oh, GTA 600:45:11
is delayed. Like, okay, whatever. No big00:45:13
deal. I like forget about it. I go about00:45:14
my life, live happily ever after. And00:45:17
then they announce that they're delaying00:45:19
it again and remind me that it's00:45:20
delayed. And I was like, I was fine00:45:22
before. So, you're looking forward to00:45:23
it. >> Oh, I'm buying this game.00:45:24
>> Oh, really?00:45:25
>> Yeah. I I hope it's not over $100 more00:45:28
cuz don't put that in.00:45:29
>> It has been a [clears throat] How long00:45:30
has it been since the last one?00:45:32
>> 15 years or something.00:45:33
>> I have to guess cuz my sister's husband00:45:37
when he was in college apparently00:45:39
skipped a bunch of classes when he00:45:40
bought00:45:41
>> when the last one came out to play it00:45:43
and in the process of playing it got his00:45:45
car stolen. [laughter]00:45:48
>> Life.00:45:50
>> That's amazing. Um, but yeah, so I I00:45:52
think it'll be, you know, something00:45:55
similar happened with Cyberpunk where00:45:56
they delayed, delayed, delayed, delayed,00:45:57
and then it came out and it was00:45:59
>> it had some issues. Um, and it got00:46:02
scrutinized to all hell because00:46:04
partially because of how much it got00:46:05
delayed. So,00:46:06
>> this thing better be polished. Um, I am00:46:08
interested. We just saw Silkong come out00:46:11
and make a bunch of games push outside.00:46:14
This feels like this is going to be like00:46:15
the00:46:16
>> whatever top tier Oh, yeah. gaming00:46:19
version of that like uh00:46:21
>> big big company doing it where I would00:46:23
not doubt if some companies plan to come00:46:25
out next fall and are like just kidding00:46:27
GTA00:46:28
>> I think there was a bunch of people that00:46:30
changed their release dates like a bunch00:46:31
of companies >> for Silkong or00:46:32
>> no for already for this00:46:34
>> no and they changed it because they00:46:35
thought it was coming out at a certain00:46:37
time and now this is happening they're00:46:38
like scrambling like oh my god we got to00:46:40
change it again [laughter]00:46:41
>> I saw a tweet that said like when you00:46:42
got your wife pregnant to time it00:46:44
perfectly with the GTA [laughter]00:46:46
>> and then they delay00:46:48
paternity. That's brutal.00:46:51
>> Damn.00:46:52
>> You know what's funny? Um, the last GTA00:46:55
came out in 2013. It's been delayed00:46:57
twice. The last Street Manifesto album00:46:59
came out in 2013 and it's been delayed00:47:01
twice. Which one's going to come out00:47:02
first, baby? We'll find out. That's a00:47:04
new Poly Market. [laughter]00:47:07
>> Polyark. Yeah, it's going to be GTA or00:47:09
Street Manifesto. We'll see.00:47:10
>> This is not financial advice.00:47:12
>> No. And we do not endorse Poly Market00:47:14
[laughter] or delaying00:47:15
>> or Street Manifesto. I do. Speaking of00:47:18
Australia Manifesto, because it's music,00:47:20
Spotify,00:47:21
>> as we know, every year does the big00:47:23
wrapped thing. Uh Spotify creating their00:47:26
wrapped thing has really made every00:47:28
other company in the world decide to00:47:30
look at all your data00:47:31
>> except YouTube.00:47:32
>> You Well,00:47:33
>> well,00:47:34
>> yeah.00:47:35
>> Well,00:47:37
>> YouTube Google does everything too early00:47:39
and too cringe. And because of that,00:47:42
they just they can never come back. You00:47:44
know, it's like social media. Too early.00:47:46
Little too cringe.00:47:48
>> Um00:47:49
>> glasses too early. Too cringe. So00:47:52
Spotify now is thinking of doing a new00:47:56
>> Oh, it's out. >> Oh, it's out. Yeah,00:47:58
>> they thought about it and then they00:47:59
[laughter] did it a weekly rap where00:48:03
they release your listening stats. So00:48:06
now you can just click on an icon and it00:48:07
is right there in the dropown menu. It00:48:09
shows you your top five artists and top00:48:11
five songs of the week. And then each of00:48:13
those lists has some more like your top00:48:15
song suggestions under that. So it's00:48:18
kind of like your release radar in a00:48:20
way. It's sort of just like I don't00:48:23
know, it's telling you what you were00:48:24
listening to and then giving you00:48:25
suggestions. Cuz I think the number one00:48:27
complaint about Spotify and probably00:48:29
most music streaming services at this00:48:30
point is that you just get trapped in00:48:32
this little circular algorithm of00:48:34
artists that are kind of like each other00:48:35
and that just suggest them constantly in00:48:38
a circle forever until the end of time.00:48:39
>> It depends on what type of artist they00:48:41
are. Sometimes if you're in like a more00:48:42
niche artist and then they're only00:48:44
connected to a few other niche ones,00:48:45
then you get in a circle. But if you're00:48:46
in like you have to like find the00:48:49
biggest spoke that has the most outside00:48:52
connection and then you like slingshot00:48:53
out via that [laughter] artist Demon00:48:56
Hunters. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of.00:48:58
>> Anyway. Yeah. Go on.00:48:59
>> That's pretty much it. That's what it00:49:01
is. >> That's what it is. But Andrew have any00:49:02
interesting00:49:03
>> Andrew wanted us to share our top00:49:05
>> I think we should all share our top five00:49:06
songs. You should also go back to last00:49:08
week because it it continues. It sets it00:49:11
up into weeks. So, right now, the00:49:12
current week is only one day old.00:49:14
>> This is like useless to me because00:49:16
>> I'm one of those psychos that listens to00:49:18
the same thing constantly for like a00:49:20
week.00:49:21
>> Same. Oh, yeah. Well, do you So, are you00:49:24
I have a feeling we're the same type of00:49:26
Spotify listener.00:49:27
>> You like have two or three songs that00:49:28
you just found that you you repeat00:49:30
through them over and over and over00:49:31
again until you're sick of them and then00:49:33
you find three new ones and then that's00:49:34
the rotation. And then when you go back00:49:36
and find the last three, it reminds you00:49:38
of the time. Oh, what what a time that00:49:40
was.00:49:41
>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's00:49:42
>> No, I'm the same way.00:49:43
>> Yeah, I've been I have a song that I've00:49:45
been listening to by Feed Me so much in00:49:47
the past month. I am very confident it's00:49:50
going to be one of the top songs of the00:49:51
year for me.00:49:52
>> Like very confident.00:49:54
>> What is it [clears throat] called?00:49:55
>> Uh the song is called Stop Motion00:49:58
>> by Feed Me.00:49:59
>> By Feed Me.00:50:00
>> Feed me.00:50:01
>> This is Every time we do this, I realize00:50:02
I probably have the worst taste of music00:50:04
that I've ever [clears throat]00:50:05
>> So yeah, Feed Me was my number one00:50:06
artist. [laughter] There's nothing wrong00:50:08
with Bruce Spring.00:50:09
>> There's nothing wrong with anything.00:50:10
>> Yeah, that that's a surprise to me.00:50:13
>> The Mountain Goats and then Adaba Boy,00:50:15
which nobody knows.00:50:17
>> And then Parcels, but it's down because00:50:19
it was five weeks in my top five cuz00:50:21
they had a new album that came out that00:50:22
was fire.00:50:23
>> Five weeks in your top five?00:50:24
>> Yeah. >> Wow.00:50:26
>> Oh, yeah. >> I tend to if there's a new if there's a00:50:29
new artist that I find, I listen to00:50:30
their discoraphy non-stop for three00:50:32
months until I hate them.00:50:34
>> And you just pick it. [laughter]00:50:36
Okay.00:50:37
>> And then you get like one week of00:50:38
someone else and then you probably dive00:50:39
back in.00:50:40
>> Yes, that's exactly what it does.00:50:41
>> We have similar listening patterns.00:50:43
>> Yeah. Uh and then two artists that I00:50:45
don't listen to but I think keep getting00:50:47
suggested and autoplay after the00:50:49
mountain goats [laughter] play.00:50:51
>> Nice. >> So,00:50:52
>> okay. >> They had a new album come out this week,00:50:54
too. That was fire. So,00:50:55
>> what you got, Ellis? I know you got00:50:56
something fun.00:50:57
>> I I'm confused, man. I I guess mine00:51:01
>> don't go to the the current week just00:51:04
because like it's only like one day.00:51:05
>> I listen to music in like a ton of00:51:07
different ways. Like I have Spotify. I00:51:09
have a CD player and a tape player at00:51:10
home. I've been listening to a lot of00:51:11
music on YouTube.00:51:12
>> What the hell is a tape player?00:51:14
[laughter]00:51:16
>> Oh, that's that thing with the you take00:51:17
it out and you flip it. Oh, I know what00:51:19
that is.00:51:20
>> No, you're right. I know what that is.00:51:22
>> Yeah, [laughter] you're you're right,00:51:23
Ellis.00:51:24
>> We're so old, Ellis.00:51:27
>> Damn. Leave it to Dallas to be like,00:51:28
"Hey, what's an artist you listen to?"00:51:30
Well,00:51:31
>> here's all of the ways I listen to00:51:33
>> See, I can do that on the street Tik Tok00:51:35
and the Give me an apartment tour on the00:51:37
street Tik Tok at the same time, you00:51:39
know? It's just efficient. No. So, I'm00:51:41
really confused because half of these00:51:42
songs I I don't even know, which mean I00:51:45
think it was like they algorithmically00:51:47
played once and because I use Spotify so00:51:49
little. >> That's what happened to me.00:51:50
>> So, I have uh my top artist is John Col00:51:53
Train, which I don't remember listening00:51:55
to John Col Train that week. My uh my00:51:59
top song is Lean for Real by Playboy00:52:02
Cardi. Another song I don't know. Um00:52:06
and then the rest is just Shade, which00:52:08
checks out.00:52:09
>> Nice.00:52:10
>> Number one, New Jobs. I don't know how00:52:12
to pronounce it.00:52:13
>> Is this artist or top songs?00:52:15
>> New job, Sea of Cloud. Number two, Lupe00:52:18
Fiasco, the Cool.00:52:19
>> Force of Nature, Death Wish. Number00:52:21
three, Golden. Number four, we already00:52:24
know the top five. And then Daniel,00:52:27
>> what's Golden Jurassic 5?00:52:29
>> No, it's Golden Hop Demon Hunter.00:52:32
>> It's high replay value.00:52:33
>> It's the main song. I'm telling you,00:52:35
>> it's been in my top five for multiple00:52:37
weeks apparently.00:52:38
>> Sorry, what was the fifth one?00:52:39
>> Uh Jack's Lament, Nightmare Before00:52:41
Christmas as a song cuz it was00:52:42
Halloween.00:52:43
>> Sounds like you're going up up up to the00:52:44
top, Adam.00:52:45
>> Got nice.00:52:46
>> Got to be.00:52:47
>> Mine's all over the place. I have00:52:49
Rosalita by Bruce Springsteen. Great00:52:51
song. M00:52:52
>> No Broke Boys by Disco Lines and Tanach00:52:55
cuz Lane and I dance to that song all00:52:58
the time. >> Don't blame your daughter.00:52:59
>> It's so good. Have you heard that song?00:53:01
It's really good.00:53:02
>> Andrew's definitely on the way home.00:53:03
[laughter]00:53:04
>> It's a kid song called No Broke.00:53:05
>> No, it's not a kid. It is not a kids00:53:07
song.00:53:08
>> Okay.00:53:09
>> Good. >> Uh I want to get better by bleachers.00:53:11
All falls down by Alan Walker and00:53:12
Dramaree by Dead Mouse.00:53:14
>> Nice. >> Where's our teas?00:53:15
>> Dramafree by Oh, is that new?00:53:17
>> Uh it's new word. You definitely know00:53:19
it. It's a few years old though, I00:53:20
think. H00:53:21
>> I don't know if I've heard of that song.00:53:23
>> You have?00:53:24
>> Sounds like we all listen to completely00:53:25
different music.00:53:27
>> It's kind of >> Sometimes our studio blend is just00:53:29
insane.00:53:31
>> Yeah, we haven't been on it for a while.00:53:33
>> I haven't looked at it.00:53:34
>> David, did you listen to my cool music00:53:35
playlist I sent you? The YouTube link.00:53:37
>> Not yet.00:53:38
>> Cool. [laughter]00:53:41
>> Well, you sent it to me and then I00:53:42
didn't work at my apartment for a while.00:53:44
So,00:53:45
>> got it.00:53:46
>> All right. >> You know, he only has internet in his00:53:48
apartment. >> Let's do two. Do you want to do the ER?00:53:51
Okay. So,00:53:52
>> check it out. >> Last two week three.00:53:55
>> Actually, before I just want to say it's00:53:56
actually pronounced. So,00:53:58
>> Oh, I ink.00:54:00
>> Ink. E in.00:54:01
>> Ink. All right. So, a a few weeks ago,00:54:05
>> we Andrew and I got very giddy about00:54:07
this new e- in Aura frame. Um, and00:54:11
because ENC is a very cool technology,00:54:12
we're super excited about it. They00:54:14
actually sent us over a couple of them,00:54:16
which is very cool. So they sent us like00:54:19
their normal frames which are you know00:54:21
screens outdated technology. Let's bring00:54:25
it back.00:54:26
>> Liquid >> but now we have actual ink.00:54:29
>> So00:54:30
>> well yeah it's still00:54:32
>> electronic ink.00:54:33
>> Electronic ink. So this I'm going to try00:54:35
to show this without too much glare.00:54:37
From far away it probably looks pretty00:54:39
good. And like up close it kind of looks00:54:40
like a half te kind of look.00:54:42
>> Yeah. I'm like four feet away or00:54:44
something and it looks like a photo in a00:54:45
photo. Yeah, it kind of looks like a00:54:47
photo, but I want to show you what00:54:48
happens when you change out the picture.00:54:50
>> It's for audio listeners,00:54:52
>> it's really convincing from a few feet00:54:54
away. It's one of those things where you00:54:55
unbox it and you put your first picture00:54:57
in and you're sitting right next to00:54:58
you're like, "Oh man, this looks pretty00:55:00
bad. >> Are you ready?"00:55:01
>> And then about when you change the00:55:03
picture, which this is only supposed to00:55:04
do at [clears throat] night,00:55:06
>> it just for like 20 seconds flashes like00:55:09
crazy. It hasn't started. Oh, wait. No,00:55:11
now it's start.00:55:12
>> Okay. It just flashes because I think00:55:14
it's changing all the Yeah, it's moving00:55:17
it all around and changing all the00:55:18
different areas. So, you'll see like00:55:20
part of the picture will stop flashing00:55:21
and then other parts will keep going.00:55:23
>> If you've used a Kindle before, you've00:55:25
seen this effect in some version, which00:55:27
is like you turn the page and it flashes00:55:29
and it it brings the new text into00:55:31
effect. This is just doing it with color00:55:33
and with way more detail.00:55:35
>> Yeah. So, I've tried a lot of different00:55:38
photos with this. I really like it. Um,00:55:40
it looks it kind of looks like pixel art00:55:43
where if you're far enough away, it00:55:45
looks like regular art, but when you get00:55:46
up close to it, it's kind of like this00:55:47
half te pixely thing.00:55:48
>> Yeah.00:55:49
>> I will say it's not very good with black00:55:51
and white photos. I will show a black00:55:53
and white photo on it because it kind of00:55:56
like adds the sepia look to it cuz it's00:55:59
like not good at doing true blacks.00:56:00
>> It's not perfectly black. That's very00:56:02
>> Yeah. So, it has a sort of like yellow00:56:04
cast. I think that it mixes in some of00:56:06
the yellow beads with the black beads.00:56:08
Um, I'm not sure why.00:56:09
>> This is one of those pieces of00:56:10
technologies that I cannot get behind00:56:12
for this specific use case because it00:56:14
feels very Adam.00:56:15
>> Oops, I accidentally did it sideway.00:56:17
>> If you just spin it, it should00:56:19
>> Oh, does it automatically, but then it00:56:20
has to00:56:21
>> There's no auto rotate.00:56:22
>> Well, it does have auto rotate, but it00:56:24
just like needs to re flash again.00:56:27
>> I should have done it.00:56:28
>> It's cool. One thing we forgot to00:56:29
mention the first time around is this is00:56:31
$500. This is like a new thing they're00:56:34
doing. Um, it is very expensive. It's00:56:37
rotating. It's Oh, is it rotating?00:56:39
>> I've been enjoying it so far. I think00:56:41
the ultimate test will be now that the00:56:42
holidays are coming up, I have it hung00:56:44
up. I'm interested to see how many00:56:46
family members walk by it and if they00:56:48
like notice that there's something off00:56:50
about it [clears throat]00:56:51
>> or if they just think it's another00:56:52
picture frame.00:56:54
>> So, it's like pretty No, it's doing it00:56:56
again. >> I don't think anyone's going to notice.00:56:58
I think it's fine. The issue that I have00:57:00
with something like this is part of the00:57:02
to me part of the point of taking00:57:04
pictures and printing them out is to00:57:07
like hand them out or in a hundred years00:57:10
find it in my attic or you know like00:57:12
those moments are kind of00:57:13
>> you can find this in your attic. It's e00:57:15
in00:57:16
>> like a e in [laughter] display with no00:57:19
picture or memory on it00:57:20
>> else it would have a picture on it00:57:21
>> in a 100 years.00:57:22
>> Yeah.00:57:23
>> You don't think the battery would00:57:24
explode? >> It doesn't matter.00:57:25
>> I don't think you need to.00:57:26
>> It's like an etch. It's getting set. It00:57:28
is like an Etcher sketch. It won't erase00:57:30
it.00:57:31
>> Yeah, but when that thing's a big spicy00:57:32
pillow.00:57:33
>> I don't know how much.00:57:35
>> I think you don't have to pick one or00:57:36
the other though. Like I still plan on00:57:38
>> $500.00:57:39
>> I'm not going to not all my I don't have00:57:42
one photo in my house though. Like I'm00:57:43
not going to pay $500 for every photo to00:57:46
be an ink when I'm going to have photos00:57:48
and art set up. But like00:57:49
>> it's nice to have one that's a rotating00:57:51
one cuz you can't put every picture you00:57:53
ever take up on the wall. It also has00:57:54
like the app has like positioning and00:57:56
you can zoom in and you can make it cuz00:57:58
right now it has a little bit of a black00:57:59
border but you can see it it's not good00:58:01
at true black and white like it adds00:58:02
like a sepia look and when I like this00:58:05
is a 35mm shot and when I bring it into00:58:07
the dark room and do actual dark room00:58:09
printing those blacks are inky as heck00:58:11
and more inky than this00:58:13
>> but uh you know I think for the colors00:58:15
it's quite nice and I'm very excited to00:58:17
put it up and just have it cycle through00:58:19
some pictures because I think that's00:58:20
gonna be super cool. 500 is a lot, but00:58:23
it is one of the first things that does00:58:25
this. Obviously, this has been like my00:58:27
dream forever. So, the technology will00:58:30
get cheaper eventually. You know, photo00:58:32
frames in general are really cheap now.00:58:35
I mean, the Aura ones are not, but00:58:37
that's because they're like ultra high00:58:38
resolution. You can share, they have all00:58:40
these features, whatever. But if you00:58:42
want just like a a cheap photo frame,00:58:44
you can get one of those for insanely00:58:46
cheap. So, I'm hoping that this00:58:47
technology catches on and it becomes,00:58:49
you know, better. they get more ink00:58:51
blotches and you can do more true00:58:52
blacks. I think that would be nice.00:58:54
>> Yeah. I guess the advantage of it is00:58:56
like because you can get a digital00:58:57
picture frame that rotates through and00:58:59
it's not e- in it looks fine. But00:59:02
>> this one can kind of look more like a00:59:05
print. >> Well, and this one also has a battery00:59:08
that can last 3 months. So, you can hang00:59:09
it on the wall without hiding a wire and00:59:12
then just charge it like your Nest00:59:14
doorbell where you just take it off,00:59:15
charge it for a couple hours every 300:59:17
months. And all the battery really does00:59:19
is allow it to change photos and then00:59:20
have the little light in it that kind of00:59:22
illuminates it because it needs a little00:59:24
bit of light. >> Back light. Yeah.00:59:25
>> Well, it's a front light.00:59:26
>> A front light, not behind it, but yeah,00:59:28
that helps you see it.00:59:29
>> But like if it dies, it'll just stay00:59:31
static on whatever the last image is. So00:59:33
that's also fine, you know.00:59:34
>> Cool.00:59:35
>> Yeah. So I don't know. I think it's00:59:37
cool.00:59:38
>> I like it. >> I think it's cool. I'm enjoying it. I I00:59:39
want to hang it up and see what it does.00:59:41
>> I am being a grump on this. I do not I'm00:59:44
very wellelmed. I hope you feel good00:59:46
about being wrong, Adam.00:59:48
>> Um, cool.00:59:49
>> Well,00:59:50
>> all right. Well, I took this morning00:59:52
since it was This is There's no segue00:59:55
here. I'm just jumping right into the00:59:56
next. >> Okay.00:59:57
>> Um, not very.00:59:58
>> Well, it's funny because I had this the01:00:00
segue written for this and then I messed01:00:02
up the order of everything. I was going01:00:04
to say, speaking of wrapped,01:00:05
>> smartphone season's wrapped. Anyways, I01:00:07
thought it's01:00:08
>> a worse segue when you have to go back01:00:10
>> talking about rap or something. Um, I01:00:11
just decided that now that TechTember01:00:13
and Techtober have ended and we're kind01:00:15
of in our slower season, I wanted to01:00:17
pull some numbers from the main channel01:00:19
because we just wrapped up smartphone01:00:21
season. So, I took August 1st to October01:00:24
31st. That really feels like when all01:00:26
the big phones come out and these01:00:28
numbers are pretty awesome. These are01:00:30
all just from main channel. So, we had 101:00:33
million or 115,800,00001:00:36
long form views, 11,100,00001:00:39
long form watch hours, 85 million short01:00:42
form views, 783,000 watch hours short01:00:45
form. Um, despite four of our top four01:00:49
five videos being shorts, the number one01:00:51
video was actually a long form. So, our01:00:53
most viewed video in this wasn't a01:00:55
short, it was a long form with 1301:00:57
million views01:00:58
>> um was the iPhone 17 Pro and Air01:01:00
impressions.01:01:02
>> That one looks really good.01:01:03
>> Awesome.01:01:04
>> That one's really good.01:01:06
>> Baby, put the frame down.01:01:07
>> It looks so cool. Look at how cool it01:01:09
looks.01:01:10
>> Our top five long form videos. iPhone 1701:01:12
Pro and Air impressions. iPhone 17 Pro01:01:14
Air unboxing. Meta Ray-B band display01:01:16
glasses. AirPods 3 Pro review. Xiaomi 1701:01:20
Pro Max. M um some other notable things,01:01:24
unboxing the $40,000 sealed OG iPhone01:01:27
got 750,000 views in the last 90 days.01:01:31
>> Um that video is 2 years old.01:01:33
>> Yeah.01:01:34
>> Um also the reviewing every Samsung01:01:36
Galaxy video had 700,000 views in the01:01:38
last 3 months. That's from March 2024.01:01:41
>> And then only two videos the whole month01:01:44
didn't hit 3 million or the whole time01:01:46
span. So last three months didn't hit 301:01:48
million views which is top five sports01:01:50
tech and investigating the Tesla robo01:01:52
taxi 1.4 million and 2.9 million views.01:01:55
>> The average view between those 16 videos01:01:58
in last 3 months was 5.7 million.01:02:01
>> Jeez. >> So that we cooks01:02:04
>> the last smartphone seasons was crazy01:02:06
and busy and it feels weird now that01:02:08
it's like slowing down. by01:02:10
>> my favorite stat usually is just like01:02:12
taking the number of watch hours and01:02:14
converting that into years of human life01:02:16
that have been [snorts] wiped from this01:02:18
planet.01:02:19
>> Um so just for context01:02:21
>> we're the reason Toy Story 5 is making01:02:23
the tablet. [laughter] >> Well, so you can either read it as in01:02:26
total everyone watching the videos uh in01:02:29
short form just the short form videos.01:02:32
Oh01:02:34
>> that's only short form.01:02:36
>> Wait for which ones? 783,000 watch hours01:02:39
was just short. >> It was only short for videos.01:02:41
>> Oh my god. Okay. Wait, that's even01:02:43
better. Okay.01:02:44
>> Oh my god.01:02:45
>> So 783,00001:02:47
watch hours total spread amongst all the01:02:50
people who have been watching all the01:02:51
shorts that we uploaded that were viewed01:02:53
during the month.01:02:55
>> You can think of or during the three01:02:56
months. You can think of it as that or01:02:58
you can think of it as one person01:03:00
watching all of our shorts for 89 years01:03:04
straight. God,01:03:05
>> kids know what that's like. [laughter]01:03:08
>> Watching Minecraft anymore.01:03:10
>> That is so much.01:03:11
>> Do you want to know how many years of01:03:13
long form it's been?01:03:14
>> Yeah, I didn't even Okay, so that by01:03:16
>> How long is that for a long form?01:03:17
>> It would be 1,27201:03:20
years.01:03:21
>> Oh, that's just not even possible for a01:03:23
human. That's >> I beg to differ.01:03:24
>> That's longer than the Earth. Have01:03:25
>> you heard of Brian Johnson?01:03:28
>> 1,000 years of watch time is crazy for01:03:32
three months. Yeah, but isn't that01:03:34
crazy? You could just watch shorts for01:03:36
89 years straight and it still wouldn't01:03:38
have equal the amount. [laughter]01:03:40
>> Marquez, by display logic, it's 1.5K01:03:43
years. >> Oh god,01:03:44
>> I hate that even more.01:03:45
>> That's right.01:03:46
>> Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so that is Hey,01:03:48
that's thanks to you guys. So, shout out01:03:49
to you guys for watching the videos and01:03:52
uh you know, you say it's slowing down,01:03:53
Andrew, but it's still it's still going.01:03:55
>> We just talked about a sock as the top01:03:57
>> That's fair.01:03:58
>> In our defense, that was the top01:04:00
[laughter] two. >> I know. That's what I'm saying. We're01:04:02
slowing down. OnePlus 15, trifold,01:04:05
random other stuff's happening still.01:04:06
Like, we're almost in simmering down.01:04:09
And then the smartphone awards are01:04:10
coming up. And like we're we're kind of01:04:12
still in the thick of it. But hey,01:04:15
>> hey. >> All right.01:04:16
>> All right. >> We have one more segment that we want to01:04:19
do, which is overhyped or underhyped.01:04:22
>> Should we do that after the ad break?01:04:23
>> Yes.01:04:24
>> Yeah. >> Then let's do trivia.01:04:26
>> Trivia. It's trivia. We're doing01:04:30
>> trivia. So earlier in the episode, we01:04:33
were talking about tech brands that have01:04:35
done hype beast collabs with fashion01:04:37
brands. So I have a question for you.01:04:40
Bathing Ape and Stash.01:04:43
>> Bathing Ape.01:04:44
>> Bathing Ape. Bape. Bathing Ape.01:04:45
>> He's an F1 driver.01:04:47
>> No. >> That's what Bape is.01:04:50
>> Bathing Ape. >> Can I look it up?01:04:51
>> No.01:04:52
>> They once collabed with which famous01:04:55
camera brand to launch a custom camera?01:04:59
Bathing Ape and Stash.01:05:00
>> The Tea Company.01:05:02
>> Stash.01:05:03
>> American visual artist Stash aka Josh01:05:06
Franklin.01:05:07
>> Okay.01:05:08
>> I'm more confused.01:05:09
>> It's [laughter] just he's an artist.01:05:10
>> Okay. And01:05:11
>> they made a camera.01:05:12
>> They collabed to make a camera with01:05:15
which company?01:05:16
>> Okay. >> It's called the Stash Bape camera, which01:05:19
reminds me of uh Pap.01:05:21
>> If you're a hype brand, you don't need01:05:23
to name things.01:05:25
>> It's awesome. That's a crazy01:05:26
>> what Sony should be a hype company and01:05:27
stop naming things.01:05:29
>> One time when I was like a teenager, I01:05:31
woke up in the morning and I met my dad01:05:34
in the kitchen. He was like drinking01:05:35
coffee and I saw him like pick up a01:05:37
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and there was a feature story about the01:05:41
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goes, he says out loud, "Odd futures01:05:51
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paper down and looks at me and goes,01:05:55
"What the does that mean?" [laughter]01:05:59
Which is exactly how Stash came.01:06:03
>> Hilarious.01:06:04
>> All right.01:06:05
>> Yeah. All right. Well, we're definitely01:06:07
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>> Welcome back. It is time for01:10:08
hypothetically speaking, everyone's01:10:09
favorite segment where we have to decide01:10:11
if something is overhyped, underhyped,01:10:14
and the three hosts get one perfectly01:10:16
hyped.01:10:17
>> Oh yeah. So01:10:18
>> I'm using on the first thing. [snorts]01:10:20
>> The first thing. Okay, here we go. First01:10:21
thing bubble soap candy. [laughter]01:10:25
>> Hyped.01:10:27
>> Overhyped or underhyped?01:10:29
>> Okay. >> GTA 6.01:10:31
>> Well, we can't.01:10:32
>> How are we supposed to know that?01:10:33
>> Well, that's it. clearly very very01:10:36
hyped.01:10:37
>> We will be guessing on if it's over or01:10:39
underhyped based on what we think the01:10:41
game will actually be.01:10:42
>> I don't know if it's possible to know01:10:44
that. >> You could use your perfectly hyped.01:10:46
Marquette said he was going to use his01:10:47
perfect. >> The thing is, okay, the thing is when01:10:49
something is that hyped, it's basically01:10:51
impossible to live up to the hype.01:10:52
>> Yeah.01:10:53
>> So, I think we would be safely probably01:10:54
correct if we said overhyped.01:10:56
>> I I would agree with that.01:10:57
>> Like, when has a game ever been this01:10:59
hyped and lived up to it? Breath of the01:11:01
Wild.01:11:02
>> Was that not nearly as This is one of01:11:04
the most The trailer for it was one of01:11:06
the most viewed YouTube videos of the01:11:09
year of all time.01:11:10
>> That's crazy.01:11:12
>> There's just so there's no way living01:11:14
the hype. >> I mean, between those three options, I'd01:11:16
probably say overhyped.01:11:17
>> I'd say overhyped. I was going to be01:11:18
meaner about it.01:11:20
>> Same game, new city.01:11:21
>> Wow.01:11:23
>> I don't even know if that's true.01:11:25
[laughter] >> New city. We don't know if it's the same01:11:26
game, but it's basically01:11:27
>> Where is it? Is it set in Miami?01:11:29
>> It's in Florida, not Miami. It's a It's01:11:30
supposedly01:11:31
>> just I wish it was just other cities in01:11:33
Florida. [laughter]01:11:35
>> It's an Orlando.01:11:36
>> It's at Disney World.01:11:39
>> Never mind. Under hypes.01:11:41
>> Original soundtrack by Florida Georgia01:11:43
Line. [laughter]01:11:44
>> What's that place where they have all01:11:46
the boats where Below Deck is based? Um01:11:50
>> what is Blank Stairs across the01:11:52
>> Wait, guys. There's two trailers.01:11:54
There's a trailer from a year ago with01:11:55
268 million views and then they did01:11:58
another trailer 6 months later which got01:12:00
another 139 million views. There's no01:12:02
way it lives up to this hype. There's no01:12:03
shot.01:12:04
>> I don't know, man. But what if it does?01:12:05
>> GTA 5 is like one of the most sold games01:12:07
of all time.01:12:08
>> If it does live up to the hype, we'll01:12:10
come back to this episode and give it an01:12:11
underhyped or perfectly hyped. But as of01:12:13
right now, there's just shave his head.01:12:16
>> A better shot. It's overhyped.01:12:17
>> Yeah, it's definitely overhyped.01:12:18
>> I'll just say overhyped.01:12:19
>> All right, so overhyped for GTA 6. All01:12:22
right, the next one is01:12:26
teenage engineering. [laughter]01:12:32
So, I've only ever used one teenage01:12:36
engineering product in my life, and that01:12:40
is >> the recorder. >> The microphone. The recorder.01:12:42
>> What about the actual recorder that Hugo01:12:44
like brought us?01:12:46
>> Oh, I don't think >> cuz that's different from the01:12:47
microphone.01:12:48
>> I use the I have the microphone at home.01:12:51
The microphone's good though, right?01:12:52
>> So, the microphone is not very hyped,01:12:54
but it is $1,200.01:12:58
>> Yeah. >> So, if we're talking overpriced or01:13:00
underpriced, it is overpriced. Priced01:13:03
>> for sure.01:13:05
>> Microphones are expensive.01:13:06
>> Microphones get really expensive.01:13:08
Microphones that sound as good as that01:13:11
microphone get way more expensive than01:13:13
that microphone. And I really appreciate01:13:15
that microphones that tend to be more01:13:17
expensive and higher quality than the01:13:19
Teenage Engineering mic01:13:21
>> tend to be a little bit harder to use.01:13:23
I'm not saying it's not expensive, but01:13:26
I'm saying every time you take that mic01:13:28
home and record a video on it, I go,01:13:30
"Hot diggity, what was what was that01:13:32
recorded on?" And you go, "The Teenage01:13:34
Engineering mic." And I go,01:13:37
>> you know,01:13:38
>> okay, I mean, it's good. It's the only01:13:41
Teenage Engineering product I use.01:13:44
>> You've used products designed by Teenage01:13:45
Engineering before.01:13:47
>> Oh, that's in collaboration.01:13:48
>> The R1, the Nothing Phones.01:13:50
>> That's fair.01:13:51
>> What about this $250 toy car?01:13:55
>> Apparently, it's awesome. [laughter]01:13:59
>> I want to use my perfectly hyped on this01:14:01
because I feel like every time you get01:14:03
in a Teenage Engineering product, it's01:14:05
just so freaking awesome. Like, they're01:14:07
so freaking cool. And they like did01:14:09
create an aesthetic that everyone has01:14:12
been trying to copy forever. Like01:14:13
nothing is basically just trying to copy01:14:15
that >> more than I thought they did.01:14:16
>> They make a lot of stuff. Um, however,01:14:20
>> however, I do think people buy their01:14:22
products like Adam did a whole video on01:14:24
this about how,01:14:27
you know, they they intentionally limit01:14:29
the capabilities of their products so01:14:31
they feel more like toys so that you01:14:33
experiment with them more, but you're01:14:34
not actually using them for real01:14:35
production. Even if they they could01:14:38
allow you to use it for real production01:14:41
>> and it would be incredible, but they01:14:42
don't on purpose because they want you01:14:44
to be more experimental, which makes me01:14:47
want to say it's overhyped only because01:14:49
people think that you can use them like01:14:52
a real sampler, like a real MIDI01:14:54
keyboard, that kind of stuff.01:14:57
>> But that's my only reason. Otherwise, I01:14:59
think it's perfectly hyped.01:15:00
>> Also, quick clarification, that video01:15:01
never got made. Oh, Adam almost made a01:15:04
whole video about01:15:05
>> That was right before we changed the01:15:06
whole strategy for studio.01:15:08
>> Oh,01:15:09
>> really?01:15:10
>> You showed me a cut of that.01:15:12
>> Yeah. >> Wow. [laughter]01:15:13
>> Just put on your Just put on your01:15:15
YouTube channel.01:15:16
>> You've used more Teen Engineering01:15:18
products than I think anyone else I01:15:19
know.01:15:20
>> Oh, don't try to spin this around on me.01:15:21
>> So, I'm just wondering [laughter] you're01:15:23
a reference for us. if you have an01:15:26
opinion on it.01:15:28
[sighs]01:15:29
>> I have a hard time saying if it's01:15:30
overhyped or underhyped because I think01:15:33
they they are the hype.01:15:35
>> They like like people are excited for01:15:37
their things and they know what they're01:15:38
getting. I don't think they're they're01:15:39
not like scamming anyone.01:15:40
>> That's why I'm saying I think they're01:15:41
perfectly hyped.01:15:42
>> It might be. Yeah.01:15:43
>> I think this might be our perfectly01:15:44
hyped.01:15:46
>> I think they are a singular entity.01:15:48
>> Nobody has People have tried to copy01:15:50
them and nobody's done it correctly.01:15:51
>> And they're not going around like trying01:15:52
to build their own hype, right? They're01:15:54
just like, "We make our stuff. People01:15:55
like it."01:15:57
>> They release weird stuff, too. It's like01:15:58
always out of left field.01:16:00
>> I think then that specifically makes it01:16:02
appropriately hyped. If it's all organic01:16:04
hype and it's for people who know what01:16:06
it is and what they're getting,01:16:08
>> then I say we spend our perfectly hyped.01:16:10
>> Yeah. Let's spend our perfectly hyped on01:16:11
the wooden box orchestra people.01:16:14
>> $250 each, [laughter]01:16:16
>> but it'll be the best wooden box01:16:17
orchestra person you've ever held. The01:16:19
benefit of this is that nobody hyped01:16:21
this product, but they made it anyway,01:16:22
which I think makes it appropriately01:16:24
hyped. Fair enough. Yeah.01:16:26
>> Perfect. So, Teenage Engineering, I'm so01:16:28
happy because the next thing on this01:16:29
list01:16:30
>> Oh, no. >> is having a dedicated camera.01:16:33
>> Overhyped or underhyped?01:16:34
>> Underhyped.01:16:35
>> You think it's underhyped?01:16:37
>> Overhyped. I I feel like we all now have01:16:40
like a dedicated little side camera that01:16:42
we take. >> Even the kids,01:16:44
>> they all have the dig cams now.01:16:45
>> I have both of mine here today.01:16:47
>> Nice. >> Yeah. Is he in the room with us right01:16:49
now?01:16:50
>> I I can go get them, but I don't think01:16:52
anyone cares. >> Um, is it01:16:54
>> we have a whole01:16:56
on carrying it like carrying a separate01:16:58
camera yourself.01:16:59
>> Yeah, like having a separate camera.01:17:00
Like my cous now has his like house of01:17:01
blood too. So like01:17:03
>> everyone has a separate camera as well01:17:04
as their iPhone/ Android.01:17:06
>> I think because of our uh Yeah. Because01:17:10
of our name of this game,01:17:12
>> it's not over underrated. It's over01:17:14
underhyped.01:17:15
>> And I feel like this has not that much01:17:17
hype. Yeah, agreed.01:17:18
>> So, I would say some YouTube channels01:17:20
that make a living off of this.01:17:22
>> Yeah, but they're not very01:17:24
popping.01:17:25
>> I think carrying a dedicated camera is01:17:27
way01:17:28
>> underhyped hyped.01:17:29
>> Really?01:17:30
>> Dude, I'm not seeing that. I'm not01:17:32
saying that.01:17:33
>> There there there are entire product01:17:34
categories in the dedicated camera space01:17:36
that are just like this camera is like01:17:39
cheap enough like you don't have to01:17:40
think about. >> Yeah, but those are for that's content01:17:42
for other photographers,01:17:44
you know? Like every time I have a01:17:46
camera out, someone goes, "Are you a01:17:47
photographer?" And it's like, "Well,01:17:49
everyone's a photographer if they just01:17:50
have a camera with them." Little bars.01:17:52
>> Crazy. I I feel like the talk of the01:17:54
town for the past year has been like,01:17:55
"You got to get a Digi Cam. You got to01:17:58
you got to get the new Fujif film. You01:18:00
got to have a dedicated camera."01:18:01
>> But also,01:18:03
>> when you actually go out into the world,01:18:04
how many people actually have a01:18:06
dedicated camera? Not that many.01:18:07
>> Not that many.01:18:08
>> People talk about this a lot, but people01:18:10
don't actually do it that way. >> But then everyone's Instagram post is a01:18:12
Polaroid dump. You ever notice that01:18:16
[laughter]01:18:17
>> everyone's Instagram post is 1501:18:19
Polaroids for some reason. Are they01:18:20
real?01:18:21
>> I've done a lot of folly family01:18:24
activities and I have seen very few01:18:27
cameras.01:18:28
>> Okay. >> Underhyped.01:18:29
>> If that's anecdotal, but like if if you01:18:32
could think of a position to where01:18:33
someone would bring a dedicated camera01:18:35
to cuz I'm the turd there with it.01:18:37
>> I I I do live in as we would say iPhone01:18:41
Air territory. So maybe my perception is01:18:44
a little skewed. >> iPhone.01:18:46
>> Yeah.01:18:47
>> You know,01:18:48
>> David, >> what?01:18:49
>> When Kendall Jenner posted her picture01:18:52
with the contacts?01:18:53
>> Yeah.01:18:54
>> How difficult did it become to find the01:18:56
contact? >> Impossible.01:18:57
>> That's what I'm saying. >> Yeah, she overhyped the contact T2.01:18:59
>> Well, I think since then, film cameras01:19:01
in general have blown up.01:19:03
>> Yeah, but then they also01:19:05
>> cams have blown up.01:19:06
>> They imploded again though.01:19:07
>> Okay. >> The market did shrink.01:19:09
>> It took a little bit. The contact is01:19:11
still too expensive, but it is freaking01:19:13
amazing. It's a great camera.01:19:15
>> Saying underhyped.01:19:16
>> We're saying underhyped because we01:19:17
haven't seen this hype.01:19:19
>> I just don't think there's >> cuz it's not like a thing everyone does.01:19:22
>> It's hype enough for us to debate if01:19:24
it's underhyped or overhyped, but I01:19:26
think it's still in the underhyped01:19:27
category right now.01:19:28
>> Yeah, I think it's underhyped.01:19:29
>> All right. So, carry the camera01:19:30
underhyped.01:19:31
>> That's right.01:19:32
>> All right. >> We're all still cool. I promise. Number01:19:36
[laughter]01:19:38
>> number four. Live01:19:41
translation.01:19:42
>> Overhyped. >> Overhyped. [laughter]01:19:44
>> Next.01:19:45
>> Live.01:19:46
>> Overhyped.01:19:47
>> Here's an Here's Devil's Advocate.01:19:50
>> The concept of live translation is we01:19:52
are imagining perfect live translation.01:19:54
>> Yeah.01:19:55
>> The products themselves are short of01:19:57
perfect. So like they're approaching01:19:59
this idea and then falling short. But01:20:02
the concept of perfect live translation01:20:04
and anyone on Earth being able to talk01:20:06
to anyone else on Earth fluidly and01:20:08
perfectly without having to think about01:20:09
it is pretty under.01:20:11
>> The concept of flapping my arms and01:20:13
flying is pretty awesome, too.01:20:14
[laughter]01:20:15
>> I think the fact that we're working on01:20:16
it and falling short of it makes it very01:20:18
clear that the products aren't all that01:20:22
they're cracked up to be. But the idea01:20:25
>> of what they're working towards is01:20:27
amazing. The phrase live translation is01:20:29
a misnomer too because it would only be01:20:31
live if you literally had a babbleish in01:20:33
your ear and you could directly01:20:35
understand what people were saying and01:20:37
there was like yeah but the idea though01:20:40
is that you can get pretty close to01:20:42
that. Obviously the text's not there yet01:20:43
but you know someone starts talking and01:20:45
it's in a language you don't know and01:20:46
then within a half a second you start01:20:49
hearing the correct language.01:20:50
>> Yeah. I mean that01:20:52
>> well okay but we're talking about hype01:20:55
levels though right and I feel like01:20:57
these companies01:20:58
>> the companies are hyping the01:20:59
>> have been hyping this idea for so long01:21:02
>> but they're hyping uh they're hyping the01:21:04
product01:21:06
which falls short of the idea01:21:07
>> correct which is why it's overhyped01:21:09
>> but the idea itself is like a humanoid01:21:13
robot >> it's not hyped as much as a product01:21:15
>> but I would say right now the fact that01:21:18
like seven different companies this year01:21:20
announced it in an announce announcement01:21:22
with a product that barely even does it.01:21:24
>> Yeah. >> Is like that peak overhyped tech stuff01:21:27
of announcing a product that doesn't01:21:29
work. >> They literally started talking about01:21:31
this during like the Pixel one with the01:21:34
original >> Pixel Buds01:21:36
>> and they've said it every year and I01:21:37
feel like if you hype something and it01:21:40
doesn't live up to how you're hyping it,01:21:42
then it's overhyped.01:21:45
>> Yeah.01:21:46
>> Right. If if they hyped it and it was01:21:48
like better than they said, then it01:21:49
would be underhyped. Well, I mean, no01:21:51
product is ever no tech product01:21:53
especially is ever like better than they01:21:55
say it's going to be. I think in my01:21:57
opinion >> only GTA 601:21:58
>> very rarely. [laughter]01:22:00
>> But yeah, I agree. I mean, my devil's01:22:02
advocate is like none of the products01:22:04
are good enough to consider them done01:22:06
yet. So, we're still working towards01:22:07
this idea and when we get there, it's01:22:09
going to be amazing.01:22:10
>> But what I can buy right now,01:22:12
>> but what you can buy right now is01:22:13
overhyped. >> I mean, it's01:22:14
>> But is that what you're saying that01:22:15
about AI too?01:22:16
>> Is the Are we talking about the concept01:22:18
or the products that exist? Because you01:22:20
said live translate.01:22:21
>> That's fair. So when I hear01:22:22
>> talk about concepts now01:22:23
>> Ellis just said live translation as a01:22:25
concept world peace. [laughter]01:22:29
>> Overhyped.01:22:30
>> Pretty hype. Pretty hype.01:22:33
>> So anyway I that's the angle I was01:22:34
coming01:22:36
>> the idea.01:22:37
>> But if we're saying the products that01:22:38
exist now I agree they're overhyped.01:22:40
>> Yeah. >> Overhyped.01:22:42
>> Overhyped. Okay. Next on this list01:22:46
>> the orange iPhone.01:22:47
>> Overhyped.01:22:48
>> Overhyped.01:22:49
Okay. As someone who loved it at first,01:22:52
it's over it's overhyped. It's not as01:22:54
good as I thought it was going to be.01:22:55
>> Damn. Like I'm glad01:22:56
>> it's good. I'm I agree. I'm glad01:22:58
>> I'm glad they did it.01:22:59
>> You're glad they tried, but [laughter]01:23:01
>> yeah,01:23:02
>> as Marquez holds up his orange iPhone.01:23:04
>> I've liked it more over time to be01:23:06
honest.01:23:07
>> I have too, but I'm not sure if that's01:23:09
just me falling for the marketing01:23:11
because I do think that initially I was01:23:14
super hyped on the orange phone, then it01:23:15
came out and I didn't like it. And now01:23:17
as I see it more, I'm liking it again.01:23:19
>> Marquez, as an orange iPhone owner, have01:23:22
you liked it more or less?01:23:24
>> Less than I thought I would01:23:25
>> since it came out.01:23:26
>> Yeah.01:23:27
>> Okay. >> I thought I would like it. It's not as01:23:28
orange as I was hoping. And the orange01:23:30
bleeding around the sides. You really01:23:31
have to commit to the orange01:23:33
>> for sure. >> And I want to put a case and a skin on01:23:34
it so bad.01:23:35
>> Wait, why'd you take off the half?01:23:37
>> Because it was too thick and the buttons01:23:39
I was annoying with the buttons. I'll01:23:41
probably do this again. I'll probably01:23:42
put a half a skin on my phone again cuz01:23:44
I think that was kind of fire. Uh, it's01:23:46
like Venom, you know, anyway. Uh, I wish01:23:49
they made a black one.01:23:50
>> Symbiote.01:23:51
>> So,01:23:52
>> overhyped. >> Okay.01:23:53
>> Overhyped. Have to say it. Overhyped or01:23:55
underhyped. Color OS.01:23:59
>> Underhyped. [snorts]01:24:00
>> Underhyped.01:24:02
>> Well, depending on who's doing the01:24:03
hyping. The company is hyping the hell01:24:04
out of it, but sort of. Uh, the response01:24:08
from people is not as good. People are01:24:11
having an instinctual reaction because01:24:13
they think because they remember a world01:24:15
where Oxygen OS was the best Android OS01:24:17
and they're just mad about it going away01:24:19
in name, but Color OS and and Oxygen are01:24:22
like the same OS now.01:24:24
>> Yeah. >> So, >> but they're further from the original01:24:26
Oxygen OS we all love01:24:27
>> by far. They strayed and now it's all01:24:29
color OS basically.01:24:30
>> For sure. But it's still good.01:24:32
>> It's good.01:24:34
>> I think it's one of the best ch I think01:24:36
it's one of the best like Chinese OSs. I01:24:39
watched so many videos on this and I am01:24:41
very intrigued to try Color OS.01:24:43
>> Remember Fun Touch?01:24:45
>> No.01:24:46
>> Yeah, I think I you know what I'm saying01:24:47
underhyped. I'm going to say underhyped01:24:48
because in my using the OnePlus 15 I if01:24:53
the cameras were good would 100% daily01:24:55
that phone01:24:56
>> and I was not annoyed by any of the01:24:57
software. I could easily just not use01:24:59
the annoying AI features or mind space01:25:01
or whatever. I don't care about it. And01:25:03
like the aesthetics and stuff that's01:25:05
like kind of obviously copying iOS is01:25:07
what it is. OnePlus 15 is still oxygen01:25:09
though, right?01:25:10
>> It's oxygen. Sorry, but it's basically01:25:11
color OS. Are they basically the same?01:25:13
>> They're basically the same thing. So,01:25:14
like I don't mind it. And the the So, it01:25:16
would be the Oppo Find X9 Pro that had01:25:18
Color OS. That's the last phone I used01:25:20
with that. It was fine. It was good.01:25:21
Lots of good features. It's very quick01:25:22
and responsive. Weird sounds. Fine.01:25:26
Whatever. [laughter] >> It doesn't like weird.01:25:27
>> Nothing like the Galaxy S3 water droplet01:25:29
sounds.01:25:30
>> Yeah, the water droplet sounds. But I01:25:31
think in general the amount of01:25:32
optimization and performance tuning that01:25:34
they do that people don't really talk01:25:36
about is underhyped.01:25:38
>> Underhyped. I agree. Underhyped.01:25:40
>> Yeah.01:25:41
>> Yeah. >> Andrew, what did you say?01:25:42
>> I said underhyped.01:25:43
>> Underhyped as well. All right. All01:25:44
underhyped. Next. AI browsers.01:25:48
>> Overhyped.01:25:49
>> Overhyped. >> Overhyped by01:25:51
>> Damn, that was fast.01:25:53
>> Everyone here uses Well, no,01:25:57
dude. >> There's two types of people. There's01:25:58
people who don't know about or don't01:26:00
care about and don't talk at all about01:26:01
AI browsers and then there's people who01:26:03
overhype AI browsers.01:26:04
>> Yeah. [laughter]01:26:05
>> It's like there's no nice balance in01:26:07
between. Well, you know, I think I might01:26:09
sometime No, it's just people who are01:26:10
like obsessed with AI browsers. And I'm01:26:13
guilty. It's like all over my feed. It's01:26:14
clearly it's clearly serving it to me.01:26:16
Um but they're they're currently01:26:18
overhyped. But again, the idea01:26:21
>> they could be. [laughter]01:26:24
>> Yeah, I'm going overhyped.01:26:25
>> I don't know. the idea.01:26:28
>> Get it? >> Dia,01:26:29
>> which by the way,01:26:31
>> they are just like turning DA into art.01:26:32
>> And I am [laughter] such and it's great.01:26:35
>> Every week they're just like here's01:26:36
another Arc feature.01:26:37
>> As unfortunate as it was that I was01:26:39
wrong about ARC being still like a01:26:42
priority for them. It's so clear that01:26:43
they're just turning Dia into Arc and01:26:45
I'm happy.01:26:46
>> And what's going to happen when Dia has01:26:47
when all of the Arc features are on Dia?01:26:50
>> Then I will be is gone.01:26:51
>> They will probably get rid of it.01:26:54
>> Yeah. >> Later. So for those of you who were like01:26:57
me and were using uh ARC and switched to01:27:00
DIA because they had adopted enough of01:27:02
the ARC features01:27:04
>> pin folders,01:27:05
>> you are probably going through the same01:27:07
emotional arc as I am01:27:10
>> because it has been slowly adopting like01:27:12
the pin tabs look like Arc now and01:27:14
they're on their way.01:27:15
>> I need pin folders. Please, please,01:27:17
>> Marquez, I think you're the only or01:27:19
David, you've also spent some time with01:27:20
this project. Uh01:27:22
>> I can't wait to answer them.01:27:23
>> The Palma 2 Pro. Um, the Xiaomi01:27:27
>> Oh, SU7.01:27:29
>> Oh, yeah. >> Or is it Sue7? Everyone around the01:27:31
office has been saying Sue7.01:27:32
>> It's SU.01:27:33
>> I feel like an SUV, but with01:27:35
>> because Yeah, it's SU7,01:27:37
>> right? >> Is it overhyped or underhyped?01:27:39
>> It is underhyped.01:27:41
>> It's underhyped for01:27:43
show. >> It is an incredible vehicle for an01:27:46
incredibly low price. And the thing is01:27:48
like it's underhyped because people are01:27:50
never going to buy it in many markets01:27:52
like here and it's unavailable and they01:27:54
don't know how good it is which is why I01:27:56
think by definition it's underhyped.01:27:57
>> Well it's it's underhyped in the United01:27:58
States. My question is is this a popular01:28:00
product in China?01:28:01
>> Yes.01:28:02
>> Yes it is.01:28:03
>> So then it's not underhyped in China.01:28:04
>> Well it's correctly hyped in China. The01:28:07
market speaks for itself. Like people01:28:08
buy it. Supply and demand are speaking01:28:10
for themselves and it's popular.01:28:11
>> Yeah.01:28:12
>> Out everywhere outside of those01:28:13
available markets where it's01:28:15
unavailable. People have no idea how01:28:16
good it is. Yeah. So, I think it's01:28:17
underhyped.01:28:19
>> That's fair. That's my logic.01:28:20
>> Do we get a We get a perfectly hyped and01:28:22
we get it correctly hyped in China, too,01:28:24
right? [laughter]01:28:25
>> In Minecraft.01:28:26
>> I feel like every car person that I know01:28:29
and the few that I watch are super01:28:33
excited about that car. So, I don't know01:28:35
if that it's underhyped.01:28:37
>> I feel like it's hard to get really01:28:38
hyped about it though when01:28:39
>> you can never get it.01:28:40
>> Yeah. We can't get it.01:28:42
>> Yeah. Because every non-car person has01:28:43
no idea how amazing it is.01:28:45
>> That's fair. I haven't actually gotten01:28:46
to drive in it yet, but my experience01:28:48
with it was pretty pretty weird. I'm not01:28:51
going to lie. Only because the the two01:28:53
passenger01:28:54
>> Yeah, because the two features I got to01:28:55
explore were the karaoke, which01:28:57
>> Oh,01:28:58
>> I found bizarre. The song selection was01:29:01
really bizarre. No Creed.01:29:03
>> No Creed in the included,01:29:06
>> but [laughter] and then in the back01:29:07
seat, the like duian on the the screen01:29:12
>> tablet screen.01:29:13
>> I found that incredibly off-putting.01:29:15
just like endlessly in a in a car01:29:18
scrolling through like Chinese thirst01:29:19
traps and live League of Legend01:29:22
competitions. [laughter]01:29:23
>> Why is this here?01:29:24
>> There's a lot going on with the car and01:29:26
obviously Xiaomi is a company that makes01:29:29
smartphones and and they are kind of01:29:31
like the LG or whatever of China. Like01:29:34
they make appliances, they make smart01:29:36
home security systems, they make01:29:38
>> make everything01:29:39
>> smartones obviously. And now they make01:29:40
this car and so it kind of just they01:29:42
just plugged it into their ecosystem01:29:44
like it works with everything.01:29:45
>> Yeah.01:29:46
>> Then they have Xiaomi tablets in the01:29:47
back seats and uh it pairs with their01:29:50
Xiaomi phone and can have like modules01:29:53
attached to the screen and they attach01:29:55
they connect to your like there's01:29:56
there's a lot going on and you don't01:29:58
have to use any of it and you chose to01:30:00
use some of the weird parts which is01:30:01
great. But I think like as a as a01:30:04
vehicle like as an owner like as I'm01:30:06
dailying the thing it's like it rides01:30:08
really well. It has good range. The01:30:10
software is super responsive. It's the01:30:12
biggest CarPlay I've ever seen. The01:30:13
speakers are amazing. It has active01:30:14
noise cancellation. Just like the things01:30:16
that make a car nice, build quality,01:30:18
materials, comfort. It's all there.01:30:20
>> Yeah, >> it's it's really good.01:30:21
>> I kind of felt like when I was driving01:30:23
it in California, it felt like the01:30:25
combination between a Model S and a01:30:28
Porsche. Uh,01:30:30
>> sure. >> That was sort of my analogy.01:30:32
>> I think that's fair.01:30:33
>> Good save.01:30:34
>> Thanks. [laughter]01:30:35
>> Way cheaper than both of them.01:30:36
>> Yeah. $40,000.01:30:39
>> All right. So, underhyped. Sticking with01:30:40
it. >> Yeah, I'm sticking with it.01:30:42
>> All right. Next. Liquid glass.01:30:45
>> Overhyped by Apple.01:30:47
>> Yeah. That's the hard thing is01:30:49
>> by who?01:30:50
>> Yeah.01:30:51
>> I don't think a lot of people are hyping01:30:52
liquid glass.01:30:54
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Apple's hyping liquid glass and01:30:56
then everyone's responding with a not so01:30:58
hype.01:30:59
>> You know how I know it's overhyped?01:31:01
because all of the designer people who01:31:03
are just like love anything Apple does01:31:06
originally when they first announced it01:31:08
was like this is the greatest thing ever01:31:10
and then after like one beta they were01:31:11
like oh my god [laughter] this is01:31:13
terrible so01:31:17
I mean it's definitely not underhive gez01:31:20
um >> that's fair01:31:21
>> I kind of like it I don't have my phone01:31:23
I have it on my iPad but01:31:26
>> I don't know >> the only liquid glass feature that I01:31:28
there's two liquid glass features I like01:31:30
I like that when you pull down the01:31:32
notification shade thing, it does that01:31:34
like distortion field over like whatever01:31:36
text you have. I love01:31:38
>> I hate that. >> It's so fun.01:31:39
>> Every time I'm like01:31:41
>> And then for the apps that support it,01:31:43
the like virtual glass tile that moves01:31:45
between the options. Like I like that,01:31:48
but pretty much nothing else about that01:31:50
OS I actually enjoy.01:31:53
>> So,01:31:54
>> especially the fact that it destroys my01:31:56
battery life. I love that.01:31:57
>> Yeah, not enough people talking about01:31:59
that.01:32:00
I'm going to say overhyped because a lot01:32:02
of companies are like changing the way01:32:04
that their apps work and look.01:32:06
>> I feel like the YouTube player kind of01:32:08
looks a little bit less now. Like a lot01:32:11
of other companies are shifting their01:32:12
designs more towards01:32:15
which is like to be fair. It's more01:32:17
cohesive.01:32:18
>> But01:32:20
>> yeah, >> is this the world we want?01:32:21
>> I don't think I need that.01:32:22
>> I would prefer skumorphism01:32:25
over this like hybrid skumorphism.01:32:27
>> I think we're in too deep, dude. I like01:32:29
flat white. We were at where we were at01:32:31
like five years ago. Well,01:32:33
>> I know that that's a dreamy, but I think01:32:35
where we were at like five to six years01:32:36
ago where everything was like clean and01:32:39
we overdid that too. Obviously, there01:32:40
was like way too much blank space01:32:41
everywhere, but there was nice clean01:32:43
flat 2D shapes. Everything was crisp and01:32:45
clean.01:32:46
>> What about like the original about the01:32:48
original the original iOS and the01:32:50
original >> that like real material schemorphism?01:32:52
That was another vibe. You could get01:32:55
into that. That >> is definitely a vibe.01:32:56
>> I don't know if I was as into that part.01:32:57
I love it.01:32:58
>> Where you open the books app and a shelf01:32:59
comes out of your iPhone. [laughter]01:33:01
That was a choice. That was a choice.01:33:04
>> Do you want to have fun in your life,01:33:05
Marquez? [laughter]01:33:07
>> I think we're in too deep. Like all the01:33:08
things we do on our phones now don't01:33:10
have nonphone analoges anymore.01:33:13
>> Yeah, that's a good question. That's a01:33:14
good point.01:33:15
>> Like >> like what? like a save01:33:16
>> like Tik Tok01:33:18
>> like scroll01:33:19
>> the YouTube TV context like barely made01:33:22
sense with the app icon but like what01:33:24
the what the heck in what other world01:33:26
are we like >> that's fair that's a good point01:33:28
>> you know what's very specifically so01:33:30
just cuz you said Tik Tok it reminded me01:33:32
like the swiping thing it's just it's01:33:35
just pains of videos and that's kind of01:33:37
boring but Android's new Android what is01:33:41
this 15 Android 15 Android 16 Android01:33:44
16's new material three expressive where01:33:47
you you pull a notification out from the01:33:49
group and swipe it away.01:33:51
>> The physics of it01:33:52
>> I feel like they're objects. I really01:33:54
enjoy that specifically.01:33:57
>> Before we leave this, Marquez, I did01:33:58
want to ask something specifically of01:34:00
you because you have seen K-pop Demon01:34:02
Hunters. This is like part of your new01:34:04
movies thing. I've only seen the first01:34:06
30 minutes of it, but I wanted to ask01:34:08
you, did you notice01:34:09
>> in those first 30 minutes? I can't01:34:12
remember exactly how many there were,01:34:13
but how many horiz or vertical wipes01:34:17
there were to get between scenes.01:34:19
>> Oh, no. I didn't notice that.01:34:20
>> I was trying to guess if they did that01:34:22
on purpose to like fool Tik Tok addicted01:34:24
children into like01:34:26
>> maintaining attention.01:34:27
>> It felt like01:34:28
>> Did you notice that? I think in the01:34:31
first three 30 minutes there were only01:34:33
like two or three times but every single01:34:34
time I'd never seen a movie get from one01:34:36
scene to another by going and I was like01:34:39
>> huh >> I01:34:40
>> Spider-Man we'll probably watch it01:34:42
again.01:34:44
>> I didn't notice that.01:34:45
>> Is it not kind of like comic booky of01:34:47
like swiping to a panel? Like that's how01:34:50
I would imagine it. I haven't seen it01:34:52
>> in the comic book one. It's normally01:34:53
like a zoom out of a panel like it's01:34:56
>> see that or I can see a page swipe but01:34:58
like I I you still you know panels up01:35:01
and down also01:35:02
>> that this is just how I interpret it01:35:04
watching the movie going from like you01:35:05
know anyway how many more do you guys uh01:35:08
want to do these01:35:09
>> more >> two more01:35:12
>> let's do two more01:35:13
>> tumo01:35:14
>> two more01:35:15
>> uh AI notification summaries01:35:20
>> wait [laughter]01:35:22
>> this is universally hated feature.01:35:24
>> So if you find any value in them, then01:35:26
they become under under01:35:28
>> I don't think it's universally hated01:35:29
because I just get really funny ones.01:35:32
Like I just had one that I just took a01:35:34
screenshot of.01:35:35
>> This is the only thing they're good for.01:35:37
>> Screenshots of when it messes up and01:35:38
it's kind of funny.01:35:39
>> So it's my email app, right? and it's01:35:41
summarizing a bunch of emails, but for01:35:42
some reason it gives like a summarized01:35:45
subject that's trying to like total all01:35:48
of the, you know, because it's like01:35:49
>> Marquez is angry about this and blank,01:35:52
right? >> This one is from Gmail. The headline is01:35:55
the the subject is this is going to be01:35:57
fun and it says credit card payment01:36:00
scheduled for $2,300. [laughter]01:36:02
I was like, yeah, I love not having01:36:05
money.01:36:06
>> It's going to be fun.01:36:07
>> This is going to be fun.01:36:09
>> Jesus. [laughter]01:36:10
Yeah, I just for another anecdote is01:36:14
when you when you're setting up a new01:36:15
iPhone now, it's one of the01:36:17
>> steps in the setup process is do you01:36:19
want notification summaries? And I01:36:21
instantly hit no.01:36:22
>> Which by the way, uh new story we didn't01:36:25
cover today is that the Pixel is getting01:36:27
notification summaries. I put it in01:36:29
here. I've never tried it, so I can't01:36:32
say anything. >> Using a phone to me is managing your01:36:34
notifications. That is what using a01:36:36
phone is.01:36:37
>> I get notifications. I decide what to01:36:40
engage with and what not to. I dismiss01:36:42
some. I go into apps from some. It's01:36:43
like a launcher and and trying to like01:36:46
distill that and summarize that is just01:36:48
not useful to me.01:36:50
>> Yeah, that's all.01:36:51
>> Do you think can you prompt inject01:36:55
>> uh notification summaries? Has anyone01:36:57
tried this yet? I don't think input01:37:00
anything,01:37:01
>> but if you sent a message that was like01:37:03
>> that said a certain01:37:04
>> Yeah, it was like ignore all previous01:37:05
instructions, [laughter] you know,01:37:07
>> for flaws or01:37:08
>> it would just be a regular reply to01:37:10
whatever notification. [clears throat]01:37:13
>> No, but would the summary the other01:37:14
person get like could you dictate what01:37:16
the summary sends01:37:18
>> by by wording a message in a specific01:37:20
way? I think the only reason01:37:21
notification summaries exist is because01:37:24
this was like one of the first use cases01:37:27
of AI and LLM like01:37:29
>> summarize the thing01:37:30
>> that we we built the LLMs and everyone's01:37:32
like quick figure out what we can do01:37:34
with this. Figure it out. Figure it out.01:37:35
And that's why we got like image01:37:36
playground.01:37:37
>> That's why everything has a summarize01:37:39
button. >> They basically just gave us features01:37:41
that they could do, not that they should01:37:42
do.01:37:43
>> Nice.01:37:44
>> Yeah. So,01:37:46
>> okay. >> That's why image playground exists, too.01:37:48
Speaking of which, wait, did we settle01:37:50
what what it was? Overhyped or01:37:51
underhyped?01:37:52
>> It's over. >> Overhyped.01:37:54
>> All right. Next.01:37:56
Insane image generation.01:37:59
>> What AI?01:38:00
>> Bro, do you remember01:38:01
>> insane image?01:38:02
>> Well, just image generation AI.01:38:03
>> Do you remember when they had like01:38:04
Google Deep Dream? Do you remember01:38:06
Google Deepdream?01:38:07
>> No.01:38:08
>> This is like early Google image01:38:10
generation.01:38:11
>> No. >> And it was so insane. Like pull up a01:38:14
couple of them. Yeah. It was like you01:38:16
were on like lots of drugs. It was like01:38:19
very acid induced.01:38:22
>> That was a much better image generation01:38:24
than what we have now.01:38:25
>> I I miss Google DeepDream.01:38:26
>> I miss that. Isn't that incredible?01:38:29
>> I think the fact that image playgrounds01:38:30
is pre-installed on the iPhone is all we01:38:32
need to say. That's clearly overhyped.01:38:34
>> Yeah, it's overhyped.01:38:35
>> Does anybody ever use any of them?01:38:37
>> Also, it's bad for society. So, very01:38:40
overhyped.01:38:42
>> All right. Image generation overhyped.01:38:43
[laughter] >> Sora. Simple01:38:45
>> unanimous sounds like AI01:38:46
>> by unanimous decision.01:38:48
>> Yeah. >> And01:38:49
>> All right, then. Let's uh let's bubble01:38:52
[laughter] >> underhyped.01:38:54
>> Hype the bubble, baby.01:38:57
>> Yeah. I I love it. It literally looks01:38:58
like you're on01:38:59
>> You can do it in VR.01:39:00
>> Oh god. [laughter]01:39:02
>> Today's first trivia question01:39:04
is a tale of three socks.01:39:07
>> Right.01:39:08
>> Specifically, I'm wondering which sock01:39:09
is the most expensive. Hit it, Adam.01:39:12
>> Wait, I need a pen. Where's my pen?01:39:14
>> The brand new in packaging fivepack01:39:16
[music]01:39:17
of the 2004 iPod socks that sold01:39:20
yesterday on eBay.01:39:22
The short strap iPhone pocket sock. That01:39:26
is a really hard sentence to say. Or C,01:39:30
a pair of plain white men's socks from01:39:33
the fashion brand Balenciaga.01:39:36
Note, these are plain white socks from01:39:39
Balenciaga, not the Cardi B mentioned01:39:42
Balenciagas that look like socks.01:39:45
>> What?01:39:46
>> Important distinction.01:39:47
>> Wait, what are those?01:39:48
>> Those are shoes.01:39:49
>> Oh, okay.01:39:50
>> Flip him and read. What do you got?01:39:53
>> Oh, >> we literally all put the Oh, no. You01:39:55
guys put the same thing. Marquez and01:39:57
David, what did you guys put?01:39:58
>> Well,01:39:59
>> well, I did put it something different.01:40:00
So, I put01:40:01
>> Oh, everyone put something. Sorry. I01:40:02
can't. >> No. Marquez and I put the same thing.01:40:03
>> Yeah. my mistake, which is01:40:06
>> so I put a which is the new inbox retro01:40:10
sock.01:40:11
>> Five socks.01:40:12
>> Unfortunately, those were sold for01:40:13
$81.99.01:40:15
>> That's way too high.01:40:17
>> David, you put01:40:18
>> Balenciaga,01:40:20
>> which sold for01:40:22
$130,01:40:24
meaning this new iPhone pocket sock is01:40:28
the most expensive sock.01:40:30
>> And that's the least expensive out of01:40:31
the new expensive socks. Exactly.01:40:33
>> I'm buying me some Balenciagas, baby.01:40:36
>> Those were prices per SKUs. If you01:40:37
adjust it for price per sock, it still01:40:41
>> is the [laughter] most expensive song.01:40:43
>> Nice. Quick update on the score. Marquez01:40:45
and Andrew tied with 10. David with six.01:40:48
Come on, David. You got this. We were01:40:51
talking about hype, fashion, and tech01:40:52
collabs. Bathing Ape and Stash once01:40:55
collabed with which famous camera brand01:40:58
to launch a camera?01:41:01
Don't overthink it.01:41:04
camera brand [music]01:41:07
high fashion Adam01:41:11
>> this is my opportunity [laughter] you01:41:14
said come on David then you give them01:41:16
hints come on01:41:19
>> I only got [music] one shot01:41:20
>> all right >> I don't want to miss my chance to blow01:41:22
>> mom spaghetti get ready to flip it and01:41:25
read what do we got01:41:26
>> I feel like uh01:41:27
>> guys01:41:28
>> oh [laughter]01:41:30
>> Mar put three different answers Here. I01:41:33
guessed Polaroid.01:41:35
>> Nope. Andrew,01:41:36
>> why are you laughing at it? It's Bape.01:41:38
You don't even know what Bape is. How01:41:39
can you? [laughter]01:41:42
>> I said Kodak.01:41:44
>> Nope.01:41:45
>> David, what is it?01:41:46
>> Leica.01:41:47
>> Correct. [laughter]01:41:49
>> Leica will just sell out anywhere. Huh,01:41:50
>> bro? Have you seen the Seal Q2?01:41:53
>> Like the musician.01:41:55
Look it up. It's so ugly. It's all01:41:58
sequins. [laughter]01:41:59
>> Look it up.01:42:01
It's that it's that material when you go01:42:03
to Ross and they have those pillows that01:42:05
you can like carve a face. How much do01:42:07
they sell that for?01:42:08
>> It's like a lot of money. Yeah. However,01:42:12
however much the Q2 is. Yeah. Or was01:42:14
>> you know I've never shot I've never01:42:15
actually I don't think I've ever shot01:42:17
and owned with a Leica. So the only01:42:19
Leica I've ever used are like Huawei01:42:21
phones basically01:42:23
>> and that's where all of my knowledge of01:42:25
Leica comes from.01:42:26
Leica has done a lot of01:42:27
>> what's awesome about you01:42:29
>> completely hurdling over the Leica price01:42:32
point going straight going straight to01:42:34
no Hasselblot as a camera owner.01:42:37
>> Yeah.01:42:38
>> Yeah. The Hasselblot's cheaper than01:42:39
Leica.01:42:40
>> No, that's what I'm Oh,01:42:41
>> hustle. Yeah, they're both pretty01:42:43
expensive.01:42:44
>> The new Hustelblot is cheaper than01:42:46
pretty much every01:42:47
>> every mainframe Leica.01:42:50
>> Is that true? They did a Lenny Kravitz01:42:52
collection.01:42:53
>> Oh, I got to see this. It's snakes skin01:42:55
and brown. I love that.01:42:57
>> Incredible.01:42:58
>> Well, hey, look, like I said, if we01:43:00
don't get points, we will at least learn01:43:01
something. And I have learned so much01:43:03
about Leica in the last 5 minutes.01:43:04
[laughter] Thank you guys for watching01:43:06
and for staying tuned and uh for of01:43:08
course enabling all the amazing numbers01:43:10
we got to talk about, but also just for01:43:12
subscribing and for uh for hanging out01:43:14
with us. So, we'll see you guys next01:43:16
[music] week. Peace. Goodbye. Waveform01:43:18
is produced by Adamina and Ellen and01:43:20
part of the Vox Media Podcast Network01:43:21
and Music was created by Vain Silk.01:43:23
Bingo.01:43:24
>> Bingo.01:43:25
>> Where's the wave from? [music]01:43:34
>> Overhyped01:43:37
time. [laughter]01:43:39
[clears throat]01:43:42
>> There it is.Description:
In this episode, Marques, Andrew, and David start off talking about the newest Apple Pocket accessory that was released before getting into the OnePlus 15. After that, they talk about Marques getting interviewed by LeBron James, the new Spotify Wrapped weekly feature, and GTA 6 getting delayed (again). Then they wrap it all up with a game of HYPEathetically speaking. Enjoy! Chapters 00:00 - Intro 01:45 - Apple Pocket 08:50 - OnePlus 15 24:03 - LeBron x Marques 27:37 - iPhone Air shipments 00:34:44 - Toy Story 5 trailer 39:28 - Framer (Sponsored) 41:13 - Grammarly (Sponsored) 42:38 - GTA6 gets delayed 47:19 - Spotify Weekly wrapped 53:52 - Aura e-Ink frame 01:00:03 - End of smartphone season stats 01:06:19 - LinkedIn (Sponsored) 01:07:35 - Monarch Money (Sponsored) 01:09:06 - T-Mobile (Sponsored) 01:10:08 - HYPE-athethically speaking 01:39:03 - Trivia Links: Apple iPhone Pocket: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/11/introducing-iphone-pocket-a-beautiful-way-to-wear-and-carry-iphone/ MKBHD - OnePlus 15 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=QxIvodONzlBC9oU2&v=2MdQWo9fHZs LeBron James x Marques: https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=mYJmXIMzt3EnwaTC&v=htRERdGz4bI Verge - iPhone Air 2 delayed: https://www.theverge.com/news/817908/apple-iphone-air-second-generation-delayed Rockstar Games - GTA 6 delayed: https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/ak3ak31a49a221/grand-theft-auto-vi-is-now-set-to-launch-november-19-2026 This episode brought to you by: Framer: https://www.framer.com/design/ (code: wave) Grammarly: https://superhuman.com/ LinkedIn: https://business.linkedin.com/talent-solutions/post-jobs/ai-assistant?mcid=7361782423916802090&veh=mkbhd Monarch Money: https://www.monarch.com (code: wave) T-Mobile: https://www.t-mobile.com/switch Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://mkbhd.com/ Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Waveform Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Hosts: Marques: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Andrew: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser David: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Adam: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.com/invite/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://www.youtube.com/user/20syl Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
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