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But I I am a prime hater. So
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>> this is this is a great lens.
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>> Dang.
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>> Yeah. Sorry.
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>> We won't have that fight again.
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[laughter] >> We've had that fight too many times.
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>> One focal length. Are you serious?
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>> One. [music]
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What is up people of internet? Welcome
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back to another episode of the Waveform
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Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David.
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>> And yeah, don't adjust your calendars.
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This is in fact not Friday because this
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is a bonus episode. We figured we had
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some things that we wanted to try. Fair
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warning, this is probably best consumed
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as video. So, if you're an audio only
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listener, I would recommend video for
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this particular bonus episode because
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>> yeah, we're [laughter] we're we're
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playing with some cameras today and the
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images that we've taken from the
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cameras. And the way we want to frame it
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is we've got a couple of
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>> frame it.
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It was unintentional pun. Museum quality
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glass. I'm going to probably make more
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of those puns. But uh we have some of
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the most hyped cameras on planet Earth
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in this room and we have been using
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them. Dave has been using tons of
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different cameras. That's right.
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>> Um but did you do the reverb thing in
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other people's headphones? [laughter]
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Just heard a tiny bit of reverb.
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>> Yeah, there it is. The reverb is funny.
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Um, but we've been taking pictures with
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all these cameras, and we figured it was
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worth talking about the cameras through
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the lens of the photos we were able to
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get with them.
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>> I'm really good at these buns.
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>> I don't know if you've noticed.
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>> It's good. >> Um, but uh, David, you're our sort of
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residential
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>> resident [laughter]
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resident camera expert.
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>> Actually, I uh I have an apartment.
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>> Our resident our resident residential
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>> Yeah.
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>> Uh, camera expert.
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>> That's right. And so we figured we would
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show you the photos that we've taken on
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these cameras and you can tell us what
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you think of the images while we talk
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about what it's like to use the camera
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to get these photos. If that makes
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sense. Okay. >> Does that make sense?
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>> Yeah, I think that makes sense.
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>> This is basically us just like yearning
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for David's approval. So I think this
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whole episode will go fine.
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>> Yeah, I like that. [laughter]
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>> Yeah. You should do compliment
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sandwiches so that we don't feel too bad
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about how bad our pictures are.
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>> Yeah. The color's great. The image is
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[ __ ] but [laughter]
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>> you're, you know,
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>> composition
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>> horrible, >> but you tried your best.
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>> But you tried your best, [laughter]
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buddy. No, I
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>> This one's going right on the fridge.
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>> I want to start this episode with
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photography is subjective.
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>> So, if I like something or don't like
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something, it doesn't mean that it's not
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a special picture. >> You are picking a winner at the end
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[laughter]
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>> in that case.
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>> No, I would I would like you to do a
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camera superlative or a superlative for
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each camera by the end of it. So
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>> kind of like your uh this is best camera
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for someone might doing this
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>> who might be doing something like this.
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>> Okay, cool.
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>> Yeah, can do.
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>> So like if you were writing like a SEO
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driven buying guide for a camera website
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>> best camera 2025 travel X100V
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photography [laughter]
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road trip film emulation film cheap
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Kodak Kodak under $100 like a like a
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like a like Switch. Switch [laughter]
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two. Nintendo Switch 2.
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>> Yeah, >> that would be those. Yeah.
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>> So, we've each taken a handful of our
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selects. I think three photos each from
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our camera of choice and uh we've all
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put them on David's computer. You
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haven't looked at them yet, right? No.
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Okay, perfect.
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>> Who do you want to look at the photos
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from first?
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>> Should I know whose pictures they are?
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>> Oh,
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>> I would like Oh, well, they're all
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labeled by name. [laughter] So, you kind
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>> I mean, if you want, you can take them
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all and put them in a separate folder.
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Are the actual images labeled by name?
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Well, so >> yes. Oh,
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>> I would [laughter] like and I would like
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you to know because I think in the
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process of talking about the photos,
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that's a prime
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>> that's a prime time for the person who
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took it.
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>> There's only one Zoom, I think. Or maybe
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Alice is No.
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>> Um, just me.
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>> They can talk about why they like the
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camera and things they like the camera.
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Maybe that's why they're taking photos
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like they did. >> Okay. Well, to start, why don't you all
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pick a number between 1 and 10 and
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closest delta? We'll start.
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>> Okay. One and 10.
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>> Who goes first?
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>> 100. >> Let's pick a number between 1 and 10 to
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see who goes first.
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>> One and 100.
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>> I'm going with 99. Okay. [snorts]
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>> Gretzky.
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>> Wait, I didn't I didn't come up with the
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number yet. [laughter]
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>> You need to do that.
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>> Whoever's closest to David's number. So,
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you think of a number.
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>> I came up with one now. [laughter]
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>> Okay. Now, >> it's 99.
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>> I'm just kidding. All right. One.
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>> Oh my gosh.
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>> Okay.
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>> 99. >> Okay. 82.
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>> Nice.
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42.
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>> All right. It was 77. So Marquez is
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closest.
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>> Wow. Okay. I'm going first.
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>> Very good. Okay.
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>> All right. Open that Marquez folder on
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your desktop there. And you should have
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three images. I want you to start with
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Marquez one.
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>> Okay. Marquez one opening.
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>> So I'll do our best for our audio
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listeners, but really this is going to
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be a a very descriptive uh podcast. You
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see image one?
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>> This took a really long time to open.
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[laughter]
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>> I will start with why.
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>> It's a 100 megapixels.
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>> Why? What came? So, oh yeah, that's a
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good place to start. So, I my three
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images I feel like a top chef explaining
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uh my ingredient of choice was
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>> what have you prepared for us today?
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>> I have prepared images from a Hasselblad
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X2D Mark II uh using the 35 to100 prime
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zoom obviously.
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>> Yeah. Uh, this is a brand.
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>> Can I interrupt you because I feel like
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there's a funny story before you launch
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into this, which is this camera came out
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and you turned around from your desk and
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faced the office and said,
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>> "Everyone tell me why I shouldn't
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[laughter] buy this." And we all gave
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you tons of reasons and then you went,
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"You're right." And then you turned
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around and you bought it.
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>> Yeah.
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>> This is not the one I bought. [laughter]
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>> True. >> I bought one from B&H who has pushed my
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delivery date back by weeks and weeks
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and weeks at a time. It's currently mid
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December. This is a review unit from
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Hustelblad [clears throat] that I've
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been shooting with in the meantime.
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However, I did buy this exact camera and
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this exact lens.
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>> They got like 3 weeks until DJI is
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banned. So,
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>> yeah, I am crossing my fingers that I
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actually get the one that I bought cuz I
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think they have my money. Um, no. So,
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this is the this is a new camera and a
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new lens that they made. Um, I've shot
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with House of Blood stuff before. This
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one has You might have heard about this
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camera. You've probably shot with it
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already. Has better autofocus. has a
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built-in HDR, which you will notice in
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my images.
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>> Uh, so I'd like you to open image number
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one, and I'll I'll talk through why I
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think each one of them is my select.
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>> I'm going to turn the brightness all the
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way up, so we really get that HDR.
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>> Perfect.
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>> Can you see image number one, too?
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>> So, [laughter] this image number one
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here is the first uh hour of me owning
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this camera, of me having this camera,
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>> and I shot this photo of Adam.
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>> This is the photo you said was the best
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cam photo you've ever taken. [laughter]
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Is that what you said?
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>> Yeah. Why are you so
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>> Okay. It's subjective.
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>> Relax.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, number one
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is uh like I said, it is a 100 megapixel
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medium format camera. This is uh fresh
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out the box aperture priority. I haven't
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even really dialed any settings yet, but
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it it nailed the eye for autofocus on
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Adam's face.
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>> And Adam is completely backlit in this
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picture. So, sun is streaming in in the
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background as you can see in the parking
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lot and in the windows, but in the
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shadow detail, which I have pulled up a
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little bit, you can see Adam's face, the
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black hat he's wearing, and shadow
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detail like crazy. And feel free to zoom
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in super far.
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>> The zoom like
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>> Yeah, >> the sharpness of this photo and quality
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is
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>> Adam's um table tennis racket is so
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messed up that it looks like there is
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like shutter drag near the top of it.
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[laughter]
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Yeah, it's a
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>> but it's just that this is picking up
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fibers that are falling off of it.
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>> Marquez, this photo is 11,000 pixels
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wide.
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>> This is a JPEG that is 16 megabytes.
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>> I have given you all of the pixels. It
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is huge. But this is part of my
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obsession with imagery. I've been
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shooting 8K video for years. I love
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cropability and malleability. And uh I
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had to learn relearn uh Hasselblad's
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focus software to really take
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>> Oh, right. So, you edited this
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>> a little bit. Yeah. Just to get my
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exposure right and of course to dial a
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little bit of HDR in. So, you can see
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little highlights in the trucks in the
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background. And
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>> yeah,
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>> it is interesting to see a camera that
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can shoot HDR that is not a phone
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>> because we're so used to photos. Yeah,
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it looks a lot better and you can see
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more of the benefits of like what HDR is
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good for on a real camera.
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Um, I think seeing all the shadow detail
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like because he's so back lit is
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beneficial. I'm I'm assuming you bump
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the shadows a little bit so you can see
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>> see more in there.
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>> Yeah. Lot of dynamic range the
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gradiation through like you can see the
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blue in the sky. It's incredible how
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much is actually in the exposure.
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>> That's true. >> In a totally back lit shot like this,
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>> right? >> Yeah. So, that's that's photo number
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one. Okay.
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>> I feel like uh you didn't seem to love
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it. >> Well, that's [laughter] my phone. That's
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just because I'm in it. But it's a it's
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it was one of the first again this is in
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the first hour of testing this thing.
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>> Is is your reason why this is your
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favorite because I I took a little peek
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by accident at one of your other
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pictures and I just the thumbnail I like
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liked it more. [clears throat]
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>> Is the reason that you liked this photo
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so much more the technical aspects of
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like oh my god everything is in the tone
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curve. The reason I like this photo is
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because so one, I've shot with
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Hustelblad a lot in the past and you
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have to be very intentional about
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nailing your settings on each exposure
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and and like being super super slow with
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every shot. [clears throat]
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>> And this one, I pulled it out the box,
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put the lens on, and just started
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shooting to the built-in internal
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storage. And this was an effortless
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capture that I think is impossible on
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99% of cameras. So, I was just like this
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sort of power in a zero skill photo was
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impressive to me.
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>> That's that's why I like it.
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>> All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Uh yeah. Okay. Let's go to photo number
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two.
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>> All right.
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>> Photo number two is vertical.
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>> It is uh 11,000 pixels tall this time.
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Uh and this is me shooting Andrew
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shooting a photo. I don't know if the
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photo Andrew shot while in this photo
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>> is going to end up on the screen, but
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>> you can really see the HDR on this one.
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>> Yeah. Okay. So, the photo now is uh
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pretty symmetrical shot of down these
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train tracks. Andrew is crouched in the
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middle of the train tracks taking a low
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photo. He's mostly in focus. It's got
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the leaves falling in the background
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from the trees, the train, tons of
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garbage cuz it's carne. And nothing is
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lost to dynamic range. Again, you see
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the HDR, you see the pumped sky and the
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highlights of the rails. Uh but there is
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a ton of dynamic range as well.
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>> And uh this was not cropped at all. I
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nailed the the frame in camera. Um,
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yeah.
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>> Wait, I have a question about this one.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Does well the camera in general. Does
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the camera give you two files like one?
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>> Yes. Okay.
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>> It gives me a RAW and it gives me an
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HIF.
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>> And I took the H I took the RAW each
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time. The HIF looks good and it's sharp,
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but color-wise and dynamic range wise
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and obviously malleability wise, I was
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playing a little bit more with uh
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exposure.
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So the HIF has the tone map for the HDR
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built in.
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>> Yeah. >> Does the RAW only apply a tone map once
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you bring it into the focus software.
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>> Does the RAW only apply?
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>> Because it because a RAW is not a
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container. So it can't store the tone
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map data. It allows me to change a lot.
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It's specifically and if I'm reading the
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UI right, it allows me to change when
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the data is lost to HDR like pure
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highlight and also when exposure is gone
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separately.
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>> So it's like if I move the the whole
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exposure up, I can see the top of the
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exposure like a little bracket of like
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when it's going to pop in like HDR or
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whatever and I can also see the end of
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like when it's going to be pure white.
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>> Oh,
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>> and they're separate. David, can you
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explain for I mean our listeners
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definitely all know what this is, but I
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do not. What is a tone map?
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>> Okay. Yeah. So, a tone map is basically
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so in an image you have multiple you
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have like a luminance like value and
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you've also got like color saturation
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values. A tone map for HDR is basically
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looking at the bright and dark areas and
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saying like these areas need to have
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more tonal range here. So in order to
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have HDR you like in the container the
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HIF container or the HAC container you
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have the regular JPEG or HIF or whatever
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or HIF or whatever it is and then you
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apply the tone map on top. And so I'm
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assuming the focus software can also
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create a tone map for RAW while the
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camera itself is creating an HDR tone
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map just for the HIC file.
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>> Got it. So it's almost like an extension
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to the lookup table that's like built
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into it. Got it.
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>> Right. It's like an HDR tone map is
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built in. It only does this for certain
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shooting modes. I'm trying to remember
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which ones. I think full manual it won't
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do HDR.
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>> Oh. But everything else will
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interesting.
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>> Either [clears throat] way, yeah, it
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worked out, I think, beautifully for
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this image. You can see the the sun
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glowing off of the trash bag next to
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Andrew. [laughter]
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>> Beautiful. Beautiful.
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>> It does, to be fair, it also does glow
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down the entire train tracks, which is
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>> Yeah, I was going to say this this photo
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really accentuates the HDR in that the
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train tracks are glowing, but there is
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still detail in them,
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>> which kind of shows off the benefits of
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HDR there. It's like it's super bright,
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but you still have that detail, whereas
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normally that would just be lost.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Um I really I think the Hassablad
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natural color profile that they built
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for this camera is also shining here
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>> because if you zoom into the areas like
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near his feet where like the grass and
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the the wood is and the dirt,
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>> it's very very nice looking dirt. Like
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it's uh
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>> it's just that very natural natural
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color that isn't like too saturated or
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too washed out. Yeah,
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>> it's kind of a good a good middle
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ground.
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>> The white balance was uh also sort of
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warmed a little bit in post and I think
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just cuz it was golden hour and it just
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looks really good when it's warm like
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this. >> Yeah. And the trees look great. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. All the garbage everywhere.
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So detailed
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>> unfortunately. Yeah. [laughter]
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>> When he took this picture I was like,
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"Does it look like I'm taking a
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picture?" He's like, "Yeah, you can
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totally tell.
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>> I don't [snorts] think you can tell at
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all. I just look like I'm like squatting
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crouched on the train tracks. It's like
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the dog I walked past this morning."
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Um,
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>> but yeah, very this one. So, I shot a
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couple versions of this while you were
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squatted there. I shot like one at like
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f22 and then one at f10 and then this
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one's at like f9 I think is my wide open
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one or not wide open. It's my most open
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one. >> Oh, really?
00:14:54
>> I think it looks best.
00:14:55
>> Did you shoot a shallower one?
00:14:56
>> No, this is the shallowest one. Sorry. I
00:14:58
shot like a s like an f22 one that looks
00:15:01
a little more distracting in how much is
00:15:03
in focus.
00:15:04
>> So, I like this one.
00:15:05
>> Cool. >> My picture from that came out terrible.
00:15:07
>> Oh, well. But I also had a 20% bloom
00:15:10
filter on like with golden hour blaring.
00:15:12
>> That's the best one.
00:15:13
>> Oh, I hate bloom filters. [laughter]
00:15:14
>> Make everything look like you smeared a
00:15:15
little Vaseline on it.
00:15:17
>> Yeah, for real.
00:15:18
>> All right, we're moving on to the last
00:15:20
Marquez photo.
00:15:21
>> Last but not least, this one
00:15:24
>> I took in a very exotic location. I'll
00:15:26
let you guess.
00:15:27
>> Carne, New Jersey. [laughter]
00:15:28
>> Yes. About 40t to the left of the last
00:15:30
photo.
00:15:32
>> GPS overlay puts me in the same place.
00:15:35
Uh, no, this was also Golden Hour
00:15:37
shooting. uh almost all the way closed,
00:15:40
but I just feel like the light coming
00:15:41
through the plants here, everything
00:15:43
being in focus and the sky doing this
00:15:46
really nice thing with the clouds in the
00:15:47
background. I shot this and thought,
00:15:49
"This is one of my nicest wallpapers.
00:15:52
>> This is going to be a wallpaper."
00:15:53
>> No. Yeah, for sure. I like this more
00:15:54
than that first photo of Adam. Yeah.
00:15:56
>> Um
00:15:57
>> Thanks. This is literally picture
00:15:58
[laughter] of grass.
00:16:02
>> And you like it more than me?
00:16:03
>> Most of my photography is pictures of
00:16:05
grass. So, um, yeah. No, I I think, uh,
00:16:09
the color is the natural color really
00:16:11
shines here as well. The fact that you
00:16:13
can see all the detail in the clouds is
00:16:14
really nice. It really gives it that
00:16:16
sort of like fine art photography look.
00:16:18
>> Yeah. >> I I think what might have been
00:16:20
interesting is going to the other side
00:16:21
of the cattails and shooting against the
00:16:23
light since the HDR really like, you
00:16:25
know, allows for that.
00:16:26
>> Yeah.
00:16:27
>> Have a couple of those. It was getting
00:16:28
some lens flare, too. Kind of crazy.
00:16:31
>> Okay. And I think the gold of these
00:16:32
cattails could kind of come out a little
00:16:34
bit more.
00:16:35
>> If you want to really be wowed by the
00:16:36
resolution, zoom all the way in to the
00:16:38
rightmost branch and you can count the
00:16:40
individual berries on it.
00:16:42
>> How many megapixels is this camera?
00:16:44
>> Each one is a 100 megapixel shot.
00:16:46
>> Oh god. You can see the like little um
00:16:48
white markings on the bark of the like
00:16:51
tree. >> Yeah.
00:16:52
>> Yeah. The the detail that this keeps is
00:16:56
>> just wild.
00:16:58
>> It is crazy. It is. Is that why you
00:17:00
prefer this camera, Marquez? Just the
00:17:02
detail.
00:17:03
>> This is why I keep saying this is the
00:17:04
greatest camera ever made because it
00:17:07
lets me capture as much as I possibly
00:17:09
can to then have the most flexibility in
00:17:12
post. So, as long as I nail focus and
00:17:15
and roughly get the exposure and the
00:17:17
framing that I want,
00:17:19
>> the rest is is possible.
00:17:21
>> Yeah, it's a shame that it's digital. I
00:17:23
can't tell that if these like like white
00:17:25
spots on the back of the cattails are
00:17:27
haloing from sort of some from some sort
00:17:30
of artifacting or if it's just light.
00:17:33
>> It's part of the plant. I think they
00:17:34
have this sort of a cottony like seed
00:17:37
that comes off and the light's going
00:17:38
through them so you can see cuz the it's
00:17:41
coming from behind right now.
00:17:43
>> The sun. >> The sun. Yeah.
00:17:44
>> Yeah. Literally takes like a couple
00:17:46
seconds for the my computer render parts
00:17:48
of the image when I move around. You can
00:17:50
be like zoomed in and be like, "That's a
00:17:51
nice picture." And then you just keep
00:17:53
zooming out and you realize it's like
00:17:55
116th of the frame.
00:17:57
>> Very nice, Marquez. Very nice.
00:17:58
>> My three photos of a little HDR to
00:18:00
brighten your day.
00:18:01
>> I'd say if I were to rank these
00:18:03
>> Oh, sure.
00:18:04
>> photo three at my favorite.
00:18:05
>> Cool.
00:18:06
>> Photo two at my second favorite.
00:18:08
>> Cool.
00:18:11
>> Podium.
00:18:12
>> You can say it. [laughter]
00:18:13
>> Let's go.
00:18:14
>> Top three. Top three.
00:18:15
>> And yeah, number one is number three for
00:18:17
me. It's not because it's Adam.
00:18:19
>> No. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah,
00:18:20
>> I love Adam. It's just cuz I never get
00:18:22
to see outside of work.
00:18:24
>> Can we do a
00:18:25
>> Yeah.
00:18:26
>> something you would like to see Marquez
00:18:30
do with this camera that could
00:18:33
potentially
00:18:34
>> Oh, like something the camera would be
00:18:35
good for.
00:18:36
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like some whether it
00:18:38
be a subject, whether it be a setting
00:18:40
change on something. Um, what would you
00:18:42
like to see out of camera? landscape
00:18:45
photography with more like possible
00:18:50
layers and subjects because the
00:18:52
landscape photography that you did here
00:18:54
is sort of like [snorts] there's only
00:18:56
like two major things, you know, with
00:18:58
the cattails. Um, the benefit of a
00:19:01
camera like this, both because it's so
00:19:02
high megapixel and because it's got so
00:19:05
much tonal range, is that you can create
00:19:09
all of these different layers and you
00:19:10
can zoom into different areas and really
00:19:12
like capture the breadth of the scene
00:19:15
and uh things that are already sort of
00:19:17
tight and zoomed in, you don't get as
00:19:20
much value out of that resolution as
00:19:22
much and also the tonal range.
00:19:24
>> Marquez just
00:19:25
>> is taking photos. Is this distracting?
00:19:27
>> A landscape of my the landscape of my
00:19:30
face.
00:19:31
>> I feel like this is I hate to bring it
00:19:32
to like short form, but this is a like
00:19:35
uh short form trend right now where it's
00:19:37
like you see this beautiful photo and
00:19:40
then I pull out and it crops. Okay.
00:19:42
>> Sorry. [laughter]
00:19:44
>> He's just my brain version knowing what
00:19:46
you're talking about.
00:19:47
>> What I take [laughter]
00:19:49
>> and it's so annoying.
00:19:51
>> All right, Marquez, is there anything
00:19:52
else you would like you have plans on
00:19:55
doing with this camera? Yeah,
00:19:56
>> I just want to get out more with it. I
00:19:58
do want to do more product photography
00:19:59
with it. I think uh that's my favorite
00:20:02
type of photography mostly because it's
00:20:03
super controllable and you can kind of
00:20:05
be as creative as you want and nail a
00:20:07
single shot. So, I'm going to do
00:20:08
definitely do more of that, but also
00:20:09
just kind of take more photos in
00:20:11
general. >> Keep it in your back pocket.
00:20:12
>> Remember when you first saw this, you
00:20:13
were like, I will not take more than 700
00:20:15
photos with this camera.
00:20:17
>> Did I say that 700? [clears throat]
00:20:18
>> Something like that. [laughter]
00:20:19
>> I've taken that many this week.
00:20:21
>> I was going to say, do you plan on has
00:20:22
your mind changed on that? You want to
00:20:25
bring this with you and shoot more
00:20:26
often? [clears throat]
00:20:27
>> Yes, I want I've been trying to shoot
00:20:31
more with a real camera than not more
00:20:34
than my phone, but more with the real
00:20:35
camera less with my phone in like shots
00:20:37
that I want to be good.
00:20:39
>> And the lens is a 35 to 100 2.8, right?
00:20:41
It's 28 wide and I think it's four all
00:20:43
the way in.
00:20:44
>> All the way in. >> Yeah.
00:20:45
>> Yeah. It's [clears throat] uh expensive.
00:20:47
>> The the body is 7,000 or so. Um, it is
00:20:51
cheaper than the last generation,
00:20:53
surprisingly, even with the tariffs.
00:20:55
>> Uh, the lens is a lot, but also a lot of
00:20:58
money,
00:20:59
>> but I I'm a prime hater, so this is this
00:21:03
is [music] a great lens.
00:21:04
>> Dang.
00:21:05
>> Yeah. Sorry.
00:21:06
>> We won't have that fight again.
00:21:07
[laughter] >> We've had that fight too many times.
00:21:09
>> One focal length. Are you serious?
00:21:11
>> One.
00:21:12
>> Zoom with your feet, baby.
00:21:13
>> Not even two.
00:21:14
>> Zoom with your feet, bro. Crazy. Yeah.
00:21:15
[music]
00:21:21
>> [music]
00:21:25
>> All right. So, Ellis,
00:21:27
>> David,
00:21:28
>> tell us about your camera.
00:21:30
>> David, I'm glad I'm sitting next to
00:21:32
Marquez for this because um how many
00:21:35
megapixels did you say yours was?
00:21:38
>> Uh, is it 102?
00:21:39
>> It's a 18 102.
00:21:40
>> 102. >> This camera has 18 megapixels.
00:21:42
>> 18. Okay.
00:21:43
>> 18 megapixels. Does your camera have
00:21:44
inbody stabilization? Yeah, I think it's
00:21:46
some like seven stops.
00:21:47
>> Yeah, mine doesn't have any.
00:21:48
>> None.
00:21:49
>> Um, no. No. Uh, does your camera have a
00:21:51
full-frame sensor? No, it's bigger. It's
00:21:53
medium format. Yeah, mine doesn't.
00:21:54
APS-C. Okay.
00:21:55
>> Uh, your camera have uh autofocus.
00:21:58
>> Yeah. >> No, mine doesn't. Continuous. That's
00:22:00
crazy. I mean, I think mine does, but I
00:22:01
don't have any lens that use the
00:22:03
autofocus.
00:22:04
>> Okay. Yeah. >> Um,
00:22:05
>> let's go. >> What other features does your camera
00:22:07
have? [laughter] >> Alyssa's camera is just like a box with
00:22:08
a hole in it.
00:22:10
>> Pinhole, baby. Digital pin hole.
00:22:12
>> Yeah, I generated images. No, I'm just
00:22:13
kidding. My camera has a three inch
00:22:14
screen.
00:22:16
>> Okay. >> Max shutter speed of 4 thou one over
00:22:18
4,000. Pretty slow.
00:22:20
>> Workable.
00:22:21
>> Uh
00:22:22
>> 4,000's fine. >> Get this. My camera has
00:22:24
>> It's normal.
00:22:26
>> Auto uh aperture priority.
00:22:29
>> That's great.
00:22:30
>> Check that out. >> That's great.
00:22:31
>> Uh a continuous shooting mode of 4.3
00:22:34
frames per second. Okay.
00:22:36
>> If you hold that down for two seconds,
00:22:37
the camera crashes.
00:22:38
>> Sick.
00:22:39
>> That's not a joke.
00:22:40
>> Sick. This
00:22:43
is the 2012
00:22:44
>> Yes.
00:22:45
>> Canon EOSM
00:22:48
in panda,
00:22:49
>> by the way. >> The worst color way. It comes in.
00:22:52
>> Colt Colt camera. Because uh it's
00:22:55
actually quite good for video.
00:22:57
>> Yes. >> Yeah. >> So, would you like to know why I bought
00:22:59
this terrible camera
00:23:00
>> for video?
00:23:01
>> Yes. Because there's a community of
00:23:03
people that do this sort of
00:23:05
crowddeveloped open-source thing called
00:23:07
Magic Lantern. where old Canon cameras.
00:23:11
It's like an open- source firmware hack
00:23:13
that puts lots of really cool features
00:23:15
in this camera. The most famous of which
00:23:18
is 14bit raw video.
00:23:21
>> Yeah, >> it's very noisy raw video,
00:23:23
>> but it's 14 bit.
00:23:25
>> Works better in 10 bit.
00:23:27
>> You can overclock the SD card, which I
00:23:29
did not know was a thing.
00:23:30
>> Holy smokes. >> Before this.
00:23:31
>> And I also bought this camera
00:23:34
>> because I was really interested in
00:23:36
getting into vintage glass. Mhm.
00:23:38
>> And the EOSM system,
00:23:42
uh, which I believe is called ESM,
00:23:44
has one of the shortest flange distances
00:23:47
of any lens system.
00:23:50
>> A flange distance is the distance
00:23:51
between the sensor and the lens mount.
00:23:53
If you have a very short flange
00:23:55
distance, then you can adapt more lenses
00:23:57
because while those lenses have a longer
00:24:00
distance between the end of the lens
00:24:01
mount and the sensor, you can just put
00:24:03
pieces of metal of various thicknesses
00:24:05
that will allow it to be perfectly
00:24:07
spaced. >> You see, and that's exactly what I
00:24:09
thought when I got into this. And no one
00:24:12
told me that everyone who makes lens
00:24:14
adapters is terrible at it. And you will
00:24:17
spend so much money going through lens
00:24:20
adapters that do not let your camera
00:24:23
focus. Now Marquez, you
00:24:26
>> uh should I should I tell that I'll tell
00:24:28
that story at the end because oh my
00:24:30
gosh. Um and it was Bellarus. Uh
00:24:33
Marquez, you hate prime lenses.
00:24:36
>> It's not that I hate primes,
00:24:38
>> it's just there's no reason.
00:24:39
>> Right. Right. Right. So if you were to
00:24:41
pick a focal length to be stuck at
00:24:44
>> Sure. >> What would you pick? Huh. Probably
00:24:47
somewhere in the medium telephoto w like
00:24:50
35ish range.
00:24:51
>> Yes. Marquez, would you mind reading the
00:24:54
focal length of this lens?
00:24:56
>> Why is this an 8? Is this an 8 and 12
00:24:58
mm?
00:24:59
>> That's an 8 and 12 mm lens.
00:25:02
>> Let's talk about equivalency.
00:25:04
Let's talk about equivalency everybody.
00:25:06
>> Okay. 8 and 12 mm. That's also a TV lens
00:25:09
for an 8 mm.
00:25:10
>> That is a mid70s
00:25:13
security camera lens.
00:25:15
>> [laughter]
00:25:16
>> The sensor on a security camera is real
00:25:19
small.
00:25:20
>> Yes. >> So 8 mil. Okay. Here's another thing.
00:25:23
>> So when people talk about focal lengths,
00:25:26
[laughter] >> when people talk about focal lengths,
00:25:28
you know, they talk about like eight and
00:25:29
they talk about 23 millime, 35
00:25:31
millimeter, 50 mm, 100 millime,
00:25:34
whatever. >> Uhhuh.
00:25:35
>> That that that equival there is an
00:25:38
equivalency that is dependent on the
00:25:40
size of the sensor. So if you have a
00:25:42
small sensor, a shorter focal length is
00:25:44
actually a bit longer. So famously Fuji
00:25:47
makes APS-C cameras. APS-C is about half
00:25:51
the size of a full-frame sensor size.
00:25:53
And so because of that, you have to do
00:25:54
1.5x or not half the size, but you have
00:25:57
to do a 1.5x multiplicative in order to
00:26:00
get the actual equivalent focal length.
00:26:01
So if you have a 23mm Fuji lens, it's
00:26:05
actually like a 35 millimeter full-frame
00:26:08
equivalent. Mhm.
00:26:09
>> There's a lot of math you have to do
00:26:10
here because this is a lot of math.
00:26:12
>> Well, this is a
00:26:13
>> by one by 1.6.
00:26:15
>> Okay. Wow. Yeah. The the
00:26:18
>> security camera lens on an APS-C sensor.
00:26:20
Have you looked through the viewfinder?
00:26:23
>> There is no viewfinder. Have you checked
00:26:24
it out?
00:26:25
>> Yeah, there's no no viewfinder. Does
00:26:26
your camera have a viewfinder?
00:26:27
>> Yeah, mine doesn't.
00:26:28
>> Fire [laughter] it up.
00:26:31
>> Image circle is tiny.
00:26:33
>> The image circle is quite literally an
00:26:34
image circle. Yes.
00:26:36
>> Um, something other people, another
00:26:38
thing people don't know,
00:26:39
>> when cameras project onto the sensor,
00:26:41
they actually project a circle. They
00:26:43
don't project a square cuz sensors are
00:26:44
square. Uh, there have been people who
00:26:46
have experimented with making circular
00:26:48
image sensors before so that you lose
00:26:50
less resolution.
00:26:52
>> What I'm hearing is that you guys are
00:26:54
throwing away precious pixels.
00:26:57
>> Exactly. And
00:26:58
>> meanwhile, I'm over here winning.
00:27:00
>> Yeah. So, we got the It's a circle of
00:27:02
images. And so when you want to
00:27:04
actually, you know, when you take it
00:27:06
into the the editing program, you got to
00:27:07
crop into a square aspect ratio inside
00:27:10
of the circle. It's it's called the um
00:27:13
calculus. That's what they do in
00:27:15
calculus. >> I think the simplest way to describe
00:27:17
this is looking through the view or the
00:27:19
screen of Ellis's camera right now looks
00:27:21
like the opening scene of
00:27:23
>> Pirates of the Caribbean. Oh,
00:27:25
>> where you're looking down the barrel.
00:27:28
>> I would describe it much more as like a
00:27:30
pirate telescope. Um, it tells us.
00:27:33
>> Um, anyway, do you have any more
00:27:34
questions about this camera before we
00:27:36
look at some pictures?
00:27:37
>> Yes. How much did you pay for it?
00:27:38
>> I paid I got it from what's it called?
00:27:41
MPB or MVP.
00:27:45
It's the one that's not MacBook Pro. So,
00:27:46
I guess that would be MPB. Okay.
00:27:48
>> Which is like a used camera site. Um, it
00:27:52
came
00:27:53
>> with two batteries, a charger, a strap.
00:27:57
It's missing a lug, so I haven't really
00:27:59
been able to use a strap yet. Um, and I
00:28:02
think I paid about 250.
00:28:04
>> Pretty good.
00:28:05
>> Yeah. Um, it might have come with Yeah,
00:28:07
I think >> Yeah, notably that Magic Lantern
00:28:09
software. All of the film students when
00:28:11
I was in college had Canon T2i or T3i or
00:28:14
whatever
00:28:15
>> GH4s
00:28:17
and yeah, it's just a totally different
00:28:19
software that allows you to shoot in u
00:28:21
RAW.
00:28:22
>> Well, I it's not it's it's not just
00:28:24
that. It's like um it's it's this open
00:28:26
source firmware that comes in different
00:28:28
modules. So if there's features you want
00:28:30
to add to your camera, you go and you
00:28:32
grab those specific modules and then you
00:28:34
add them. So if you want like uh focus
00:28:37
peaking, for example, grab it, you put
00:28:39
it in the camera. If you want the raw
00:28:41
video, you grab it, put it in the
00:28:42
camera. If you want like crop modes, you
00:28:43
grab it, put it in the camera. So it
00:28:45
lets you sort of build out the software
00:28:47
of the camera for whatever you're sort
00:28:48
of doing that day.
00:28:50
>> Hugest asterisk it. You will brick your
00:28:54
camera doing this. Like you will like I
00:28:56
don't know how I haven't bricked this
00:28:58
camera yet, but you will. So just only
00:29:00
do it to cameras that you don't mind
00:29:03
just like shredding. And also I just
00:29:05
want to say I hate the way this camera
00:29:08
looks. I love this guy. I've taken it to
00:29:10
multiple countries. Fits in my pocket.
00:29:13
Great battery life. Everything about it
00:29:14
so excellent. This panda colorway is
00:29:17
just
00:29:18
>> Yeah, this is taking me really, really,
00:29:19
really far back. But the first camera I
00:29:22
ever really got to shoot YouTube videos
00:29:23
was a Canon T2i. But I was on the fence
00:29:27
way back in 2009 between that and a okay
00:29:33
Pentax.
00:29:34
I'm not going to remember the model
00:29:35
name, but a a Pentax that would have
00:29:38
been if I had gotten it black and white,
00:29:40
like white mostly like this one. And I'm
00:29:42
so glad that I didn't get the white
00:29:44
camera. if I could go back knowing what
00:29:47
I know now because like really this was
00:29:50
like the first camera I ever bought
00:29:52
>> and I didn't really know what I was
00:29:53
going to enjoy about owning a camera,
00:29:54
what I was going to enjoy about
00:29:55
photography. I really wish I had gotten
00:29:59
a like um like an older micro four
00:30:02
thirds Olympus camera. I feel like it
00:30:04
would have had all the things that I
00:30:06
would have wanted it to do. It would
00:30:07
have been just as adaptable to uh
00:30:10
vintage glass. It would have had a much
00:30:11
larger family of ecosystems. It would
00:30:13
have had a viewfinder. I would not have
00:30:14
had as much fun modding it because that
00:30:16
doesn't really Oh, yeah. It's a screw
00:30:18
mount. There's no latch. You literally
00:30:19
like screw it in.
00:30:20
>> Oh, wow. I guess it is a circle.
00:30:24
>> It's [laughter] fine.
00:30:25
>> But yeah, so if if you think you want to
00:30:27
do this, I would highly recommend
00:30:28
looking at similarly priced old micro
00:30:31
four. Before we look at Ellis's photos,
00:30:33
um I think that this is a good example
00:30:37
uh of a of talking about contrast
00:30:41
because the thing about Marquez's camera
00:30:43
is that it has so much dynamic range
00:30:45
>> that everything's a midtone.
00:30:47
>> Everything's in
00:30:48
>> and the HDR Ness gives you a lot of
00:30:51
flexibility, right? Because you can make
00:30:52
the brights brighter, you can make the
00:30:54
darks darker to like add that contrast.
00:30:57
But if you keep everything in the middle
00:30:59
of the tone curve, which is like the the
00:31:02
highlights are on the right side, the
00:31:03
shadows are on the left side and then
00:31:05
the the middle is the middle gray area
00:31:07
of luminance.
00:31:08
>> Um it looks very flat and to actually
00:31:11
get dimension out of images, you need to
00:31:14
have contrast. Now, older cameras like
00:31:16
the OSM, who [clears throat] had I don't
00:31:18
know, probably shot like six bit color
00:31:21
or something. Um,
00:31:23
they could not accept the highlight
00:31:26
detail of being outside, you know. So,
00:31:29
as we're probably going to see in a
00:31:30
couple of these photos, we're going to
00:31:31
have some clipped highlights. That's
00:31:33
fine sometimes. Like, sometimes you want
00:31:35
clipped highlights.
00:31:36
>> Excuse you. I know how to use that
00:31:37
thing. >> No, I know you know how to use this
00:31:39
thing. I'm not saying it's your fault.
00:31:42
Anyway, let's
00:31:44
>> uh hold on. I want to find the DxO Mark.
00:31:46
I want to see how many EVs Marquez's
00:31:49
camera is of for dynamic range. It
00:31:50
doesn't look like they
00:31:51
>> I think it's like 16.
00:31:52
>> It's 16,
00:31:53
>> I think. So,
00:31:54
>> mine is also 16.
00:31:56
>> I'm just kidding. It's 11 photos.
00:31:58
>> Yeah. Okay.
00:31:59
>> All right. Let's look at Ellis photo
00:32:01
number one. >> Let's do this, everybody.
00:32:03
>> Okay. PNG.
00:32:04
>> So, some nice vignetting in the corners.
00:32:07
>> Thank you. Um, you know, vignetting was
00:32:10
famously used to draw your attention
00:32:12
into the center of the image. In Ellis's
00:32:14
case, it's uh it was forced upon him.
00:32:16
>> Featured on a bug,
00:32:18
>> but >> can I say something real quick?
00:32:19
>> Sure.
00:32:20
>> All of the photos that you're going to
00:32:21
see today are completely untouched.
00:32:24
>> Very nice. >> They're all raw in camera.
00:32:26
>> We talk about famous Canon color
00:32:29
>> historically has gone back pretty far to
00:32:31
be pretty good for a very long time. So,
00:32:34
this is the im an image of a chair in
00:32:37
the studio, [clears throat]
00:32:38
>> but it's got very nice afternoon
00:32:40
lighting. >> Also, we can see the the sky detail.
00:32:43
Surprisingly, it's pretty good. They're
00:32:45
a little blown out on the chair in like
00:32:47
a small area.
00:32:48
>> It's more that the shadows are
00:32:50
non-existent.
00:32:51
>> Yeah. >> Mhm. Yeah.
00:32:52
>> Well, I like that. Uh, yeah. So, there's
00:32:54
some like really bright areas on the
00:32:55
chair. The the robot room is very, very
00:32:58
dark. There's an air of mystery in
00:33:00
there. You know, you don't really know
00:33:01
what's in there. M
00:33:02
>> um I would say overall I really like the
00:33:04
specularess of the highlights. There's
00:33:06
some nice shine in the areas that are
00:33:08
brighter. There's like a lot of sheen
00:33:10
going on. >> This lens is a little bloomy. There's
00:33:12
also a lot of chromatic aberration
00:33:14
around the edges of of this lens.
00:33:16
>> How is that?
00:33:17
>> Chromatic aberration is basically like
00:33:19
color separation in certain areas. So if
00:33:22
you look at um because there's [sighs]
00:33:26
>> white light has multiple wavelengths of
00:33:28
color and technically when they come
00:33:31
together they create white light but if
00:33:33
they get separated slightly because of
00:33:35
uh the lens does not perfectly converge
00:33:37
those rays then you get you get
00:33:40
chromatic aberration
00:33:41
>> and in the window here there's some blue
00:33:44
chromatic aberration coming out. It's
00:33:46
everywhere. It's cool. It's like it's
00:33:48
like a pile. It's like almost like there
00:33:50
are there are YouTubers, I won't say
00:33:52
who, but who add like chromatic
00:33:53
aberration filters to their videos to
00:33:56
sort of and they'll do it around the
00:33:57
outside to bring attention to the
00:33:58
middle. But it's like anytime there's a
00:33:59
super super high contrast piece, you can
00:34:02
see the RGB split around it. It's kind
00:34:04
of like a style.
00:34:05
>> Yeah. They're trying to be like E. My my
00:34:08
take has always been the the negative
00:34:10
sides of like bad technology or
00:34:13
non-advanced technologies can be used as
00:34:16
stylistic choices in the future when you
00:34:18
have the option to use them. you know,
00:34:20
now before you continue with your
00:34:21
review, David, um, not just is this a
00:34:24
cult camera because of Magic Lantern,
00:34:27
>> it's I'm [clears throat] actually a
00:34:28
member of another cult, another cult
00:34:31
that has very fringe conspiracy beliefs
00:34:33
that many people
00:34:34
>> Alice, where you going
00:34:35
>> dislike? I'd like to draw everyone's
00:34:37
attention to the carpet
00:34:39
>> in this picture.
00:34:40
>> What does that have to do with the cult?
00:34:41
>> I would like everyone to look at the
00:34:43
amount of textural detail in that
00:34:46
carpet. And that is because I am a
00:34:47
member of the conspiracy theory,
00:34:50
[laughter]
00:34:51
>> the conspiracy theorist group.
00:34:53
>> Carpets,
00:34:54
>> the pixel >> that believes in microcontrast.
00:34:56
>> Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:57
>> And I think that this lens and this
00:35:00
camera are microcontrast
00:35:03
beasts. >> What the hell is a micro contrast,
00:35:05
>> David? >> It's a little contrast.
00:35:06
>> It's a very unproven thing.
00:35:09
>> Is it the 1/ 10,000th of a contrast?
00:35:11
Because okay, lens characteristics
00:35:14
are very some of them are are big
00:35:17
differences, right? Sometimes you'll
00:35:18
have the famous Helios 44.2 lens that
00:35:21
has swirl around the edges. That's a
00:35:23
very obvious lens decision in the
00:35:26
production of the lens.
00:35:28
>> A lot of other lenses when you get to
00:35:29
like Sony lenses, right, because they're
00:35:31
just trying to make like,
00:35:33
>> you know, the sharpest possible lens,
00:35:35
it's it's optically close to optically
00:35:37
perfect. But a lot of people don't want
00:35:40
optically perfect. Now microcontrast,
00:35:43
what people would describe it as as is
00:35:44
the look of 3D pop. So you know how you
00:35:47
can look at some images and you're like,
00:35:49
"Oh, that's a great photo." And then you
00:35:50
look at some and you're like, "Whoa, it
00:35:52
has like spatial like texture and it's
00:35:55
sort of like
00:35:56
>> coming out of the image." Um, it's a
00:35:58
it's a conspiracy theory. [laughter]
00:36:01
>> It's a conspiracy.
00:36:02
>> People argue about it in camera forums
00:36:04
all day
00:36:05
>> and they talk about they talk about the
00:36:06
existence of it and the non-existence of
00:36:08
it. They talk about how some lenses are
00:36:09
better for it where other lenses are
00:36:11
worse for it. >> They'll post like like like data
00:36:14
analysis like trying to prove
00:36:16
>> that this lens has more microcontrast
00:36:18
and another person would be like no
00:36:19
you're you're reading noise and the
00:36:20
sensor and
00:36:21
>> yeah it's not it sounds like trying to
00:36:24
like quantify soul in a song
00:36:26
>> kind of. Yeah. Okay.
00:36:27
>> It's pretty much the same thing.
00:36:29
>> Like how much does the image like pop
00:36:30
off the screen, you know? I I I get the
00:36:34
textural feeling that you're saying that
00:36:35
you're talking about. You could taste
00:36:37
that carpet. >> You could taste it.
00:36:40
>> No, [laughter]
00:36:41
>> we walked. >> Your dogs peed on that carpet
00:36:43
>> and thrown up on it.
00:36:45
>> There is definitely a lot of color noise
00:36:48
in the carpet.
00:36:49
>> Yeah, this is a noisy camera.
00:36:50
>> Noisy camera. So, it's possible that the
00:36:52
noise has to do with
00:36:54
>> not to just like make you explain 10
00:36:57
million camera things.
00:36:59
>> This is not a backside illuminated uh
00:37:01
sensor. So,
00:37:02
>> what the hell is a backside illuminated
00:37:04
sensor? It's where the back of the
00:37:05
sensor, it has light shown onto it which
00:37:08
gives it more dynamic range.
00:37:10
>> Perfect. Thank you.
00:37:11
>> Um, less noise.
00:37:13
>> And by newer thing, I mean like seven
00:37:15
years ago, but this camera is way older
00:37:17
than that. So,
00:37:18
>> yeah, less less noise in the shadows.
00:37:20
>> Um, my favorite thing about this picture
00:37:22
before we move on is I love the way the
00:37:24
reflection of the chair comes out of the
00:37:27
floor and how the camera, the lens plus
00:37:30
the floor gives it this crazy sort of
00:37:32
ghost bloom. Yeah,
00:37:33
>> I think that's a really compelling part
00:37:35
of this image.
00:37:36
>> Yeah. No, the the bloom out of this lens
00:37:38
is very nice.
00:37:39
>> All right, she popping.
00:37:40
>> So, this next photo, before you open it,
00:37:44
next photo is taken on a different lens,
00:37:47
a much more standard camera lens, which
00:37:49
is why this is going to look much more
00:37:52
just like normal portrait photograph.
00:37:56
>> I lied. >> Oh, beautiful. Thank you.
00:37:58
>> This is the second photo.
00:37:59
>> This is the second flower.
00:38:00
>> Same flower. >> Same camera, different lens.
00:38:02
Wow. Beautiful. Straight out of camera.
00:38:05
>> Straight out of camera.
00:38:06
>> That Canon color is really popping, I'll
00:38:07
tell you that. Oh, Mark has
00:38:09
>> a thought.
00:38:10
>> Nothing.
00:38:11
[laughter]
00:38:14
>> What is this?
00:38:16
>> Is this pondering?
00:38:18
>> Does anyone want to guess what exotic
00:38:21
location I captured these beautiful
00:38:23
tropical flowers in?
00:38:24
>> Your backyard.
00:38:25
>> Is that cars in the background?
00:38:26
>> Uh, yeah. This is the parking lot
00:38:27
outside of our building.
00:38:28
>> Oh,
00:38:29
>> yeah. flowers
00:38:31
>> to give some verbal description of this.
00:38:34
This is flowers with the petals sort of
00:38:36
hanging down at the bottom of the flower
00:38:38
with the bulb in the center kind of like
00:38:40
they're very colorful. They're orange
00:38:42
and green. They are pink flowers. Um the
00:38:45
one on the left, the highlights are
00:38:47
clipped. So, you know,
00:38:49
>> you're right. they are
00:38:50
>> could use a little more dynamic range,
00:38:52
but overall [snorts]
00:38:55
I think the the bokeh, which is the out
00:38:57
of focus areas in this image, are very
00:38:59
creamy
00:39:00
>> because this lens gives a lot of that um
00:39:02
that bloom that kind of like gives it to
00:39:04
the bokeh.
00:39:06
>> And the colors are wonderful. And uh
00:39:08
yeah, if if there was a little bit more
00:39:11
dynamic range on that left flower, I
00:39:13
could definitely see this actually, you
00:39:14
know, even without that, I could see it
00:39:16
on my wall. >> Yeah, thank you. Very beautiful. This
00:39:18
one to me looks like a like a Windows XP
00:39:20
wallpaper. Um,
00:39:22
>> and uh it's shot with a Canon FD50 mil,
00:39:25
which is a complete cheat code of a
00:39:27
lens. If you want to pretend like you're
00:39:29
a really good photographer, get a Canon
00:39:32
FD50 mil. >> Yeah, the FDs are famously great at
00:39:35
microcontrast, right? That's what they
00:39:38
say. >> I'm a microcontrast machine
00:39:40
>> in the conspiracy world.
00:39:41
>> Um, that is a 50 mil with a the 1.6 crop
00:39:45
factor. So, it's more like a 70 mil. Um,
00:39:48
which is a really funny thing to have as
00:39:50
a prime on your camera to only have like
00:39:52
a 76 millimeter lens.
00:39:54
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I really like this photo.
00:39:56
>> Thank you. >> Very pretty.
00:39:57
>> Sweet.
00:39:58
>> All right, let's look at the third
00:39:59
picture from Ellis here.
00:40:01
>> We're back to the TV lens on this one.
00:40:03
>> Bang.
00:40:04
>> Bang city.
00:40:05
>> See, this is
00:40:07
>> this is where the micro contrast starts
00:40:08
to look incredible.
00:40:10
>> Yeah, we've got a believer over here,
00:40:11
folks.
00:40:12
>> Um, yeah. So, this is a photo of a tree
00:40:15
that's lost all of its leaves in the
00:40:17
center with trees that have not lost all
00:40:18
of their leaves around it, as well as
00:40:21
the sky and a cloud. And yeah, the the
00:40:24
it's really popping. The the the
00:40:27
contrast is popping really nicely.
00:40:29
There's some nice shadow detail. Um the
00:40:31
the blacks are very black. There's a
00:40:33
little bit of peing in the top right.
00:40:35
It's kind of got it all, you know. Um
00:40:38
>> would you say it's filmic? Yes, because
00:40:42
the thing I was going to say, the reason
00:40:44
I don't like digital cameras generally
00:40:46
is that shooting foliage with digital
00:40:49
cameras sucks because there's this
00:40:51
process called de mosaicing, which we
00:40:53
have talked about in a studio video
00:40:54
before
00:40:55
>> where you take the photo and the sensor
00:40:57
is like RG RB RG RB and it's this
00:41:02
repeating pattern. Yeah. and it takes in
00:41:05
these light values and then the software
00:41:07
has to basically put the image back
00:41:10
together based on repeating patterns
00:41:13
that it notices. But because of that
00:41:16
really really fine detail is not good
00:41:19
for digital cameras because the areas of
00:41:22
contrast uh get lost in that
00:41:24
restructuring of the image and film uh
00:41:28
is just a die. So it's very granular in
00:41:31
its like tonal shifts whereas digital
00:41:34
cameras generally have this problem
00:41:36
where it's like all the the fringing on
00:41:38
the edges is like very you know it just
00:41:40
looks very like tac. I feel like it's
00:41:42
very tied to the resolution of the shot,
00:41:44
too.
00:41:45
>> It's the more resolution you have, the
00:41:48
more smooth it can appear to be,
00:41:50
>> but
00:41:51
>> it's digital. So,
00:41:52
>> yeah. Yeah. But it's still digital.
00:41:53
[clears throat] Whereas this, and I
00:41:55
think ironically, the negatives of this
00:41:57
camera are what give it more of that
00:41:58
filmic look because of the chromatic
00:42:01
aberration.
00:42:02
>> The the wavelengths of colors are
00:42:04
actually slightly separated. So, that
00:42:07
direct contrast fringing that you'd
00:42:09
normally see on a good camera are not
00:42:11
there. And so it looks more um more
00:42:14
smooth, more filmic. The the the
00:42:16
trees look more like real trees than you
00:42:19
would get from like a high quality
00:42:20
camera.
00:42:21
>> It lets you get away with how noisy the
00:42:23
sensor is on this camera. Like I I think
00:42:25
in a lot of environments this camera and
00:42:27
this lens together are just frankly like
00:42:30
unusably noisy.
00:42:32
>> Um but when you have I don't know some
00:42:34
sometimes it just uh just works. Yeah, I
00:42:36
like this.
00:42:37
>> This photo has simultaneously a ton of
00:42:39
dynamic range and almost no dynamic
00:42:41
range at the same time. It's really
00:42:42
interesting.
00:42:44
>> I like it. >> Um, and then you don't have to review
00:42:46
this one. I just thought this would be a
00:42:47
good thing to bring up. And this this
00:42:48
the bonus pick is one that I actually
00:42:50
took with you, David.
00:42:52
>> Oh, yeah. >> Uh, nope. I lied. This is not a picture
00:42:54
I took with you.
00:42:55
>> Oh, no. But when you when you point this
00:42:57
camera into the sun, it shoots rainbows.
00:43:00
>> Yeah.
00:43:01
>> Love that. >> And I just think that is swell.
00:43:03
>> That's cool.
00:43:04
>> Yeah. Um, they use that in movies
00:43:06
sometimes.
00:43:07
>> Yeah. To get a really cool effect.
00:43:08
>> So, David, going forward, what would you
00:43:11
like to see me do with this camera more?
00:43:14
>> Interesting.
00:43:17
>> Interesting. >> Yeah. This one's hard.
00:43:18
>> This one's hard cuz
00:43:19
>> Cuz it's nonsense.
00:43:21
>> It's just like it's so purely artistic.
00:43:24
>> Yeah. >> So, it's like he's telling you how to be
00:43:26
an artist now.
00:43:27
>> Correct. You're taking like highly
00:43:28
artistic pictures. Ellis, this first
00:43:30
picture, I think everyone in this office
00:43:32
has taken a photo of
00:43:34
>> the robot arm chair.
00:43:36
>> That's why I included it cuz
00:43:37
>> I love this photo.
00:43:38
>> It looks so good.
00:43:39
>> I assumed one of you guys would also
00:43:41
bring a photo of this chair.
00:43:42
>> I think we've all taken that photo.
00:43:44
>> Just like
00:43:45
>> just the light is nice in there.
00:43:46
>> The light that comes through, especially
00:43:48
now when it's at like 4:00 and we're in
00:43:50
the office when golden hour hits. As
00:43:52
long as that wind turbine Yeah. isn't
00:43:55
spinning and causing it to like flicker
00:43:57
in that area. Like it's just a beautiful
00:44:00
little corner of our
00:44:01
>> little al cove.
00:44:02
>> Yeah.
00:44:03
>> Very nice.
00:44:04
>> There's even a dead Astrobot.
00:44:06
>> That's my favorite part. [laughter]
00:44:07
>> Yeah.
00:44:08
>> All right, it's Adam's turn.
00:44:10
>> My turn.
00:44:18
[music]
00:44:20
>> All right, Adam.
00:44:21
>> Yes. >> Tell me about your camera.
00:44:22
>> It is I, Adam. I'm at the big boy table.
00:44:25
This is the Rico GR4. It is one of the
00:44:29
most hyped cameras on YouTube and I love
00:44:32
it. So, I have been shooting with this
00:44:34
for a month or two nowish, something
00:44:36
like that. And this thing is exactly
00:44:39
what I want from an everyday camera. It
00:44:42
is like one step above my phone, but a
00:44:46
thousand steps below Marquez's camera.
00:44:48
[laughter]
00:44:49
>> Also prime.
00:44:50
>> Also prime.
00:44:51
>> Oh, that's why it's so far below.
00:44:53
>> Yeah.
00:44:54
But like I can take this thing out of my
00:44:55
pocket and no one bats an eye.
00:44:57
>> Quite literally a pocket camera.
00:44:59
>> Yeah. No, it is a it's super small. It's
00:45:01
super thin. It literally fits in my
00:45:03
pocket. I don't even need to string it
00:45:05
on like a a sling or nothing like that.
00:45:07
>> Uh that is basically the only reason I
00:45:10
wanted this camera. I know nothing about
00:45:11
it technically. It was just I saw the
00:45:13
pictures that were coming out of it and
00:45:14
people were like I was like, "Okay,
00:45:15
those are good pictures." And then I was
00:45:17
seeing people just put them in their
00:45:18
pocket and I was like, "That is what I
00:45:20
want." the Rico GR series of digital
00:45:22
cameras because they also made GRS of
00:45:24
film cameras which by the way were even
00:45:26
thinner than that and the only way it
00:45:29
was able to fit fit the film canister
00:45:31
was in the grip area. But the body of
00:45:34
the camera was thinner than the film
00:45:36
canister.
00:45:37
>> But if you put that in a hole like the
00:45:39
iPhone, that means it's only as thick as
00:45:40
its thickest point, right?
00:45:44
>> Real quick, Adam, is that the regular
00:45:46
version of the GR or is that the blurry
00:45:48
version of the GR? It is the regular
00:45:49
blurry. I want to get a blurry adapter
00:45:52
thing >> on the before. There only is a regular
00:45:55
>> right now. The three has the HDF.
00:45:59
>> Yeah, this is the Rico J4. It just came
00:46:00
out. [clears throat]
00:46:01
>> I think this is the newest camera out of
00:46:03
all. Yes, it is. It just came out.
00:46:05
>> Uh, and the Rico GR3, it got really
00:46:07
popular because the Fuji X100V
00:46:10
popped off and then the X100 6 was
00:46:12
popular for a long time and this became
00:46:14
the counterculture camera to that,
00:46:16
>> which is why it's now popular.
00:46:18
Everything's a circle. >> Everything's a counterculture.
00:46:20
>> Um, and instead of releasing the GR4 for
00:46:23
many years, Rico just decided to make
00:46:25
multiple variants of the GR3. So, they
00:46:27
made the diary edition, which is like a
00:46:29
street edition.
00:46:30
>> They made a street GR4 GR3X, which is a
00:46:33
43mm lens, I think. The diary edition,
00:46:36
which was like a a cream color, but they
00:46:39
made an HDF version, which is high
00:46:41
diffusion filter, which basically makes
00:46:43
the highlights bloom.
00:46:44
>> I love that one. >> Yeah. which we can you can like turn on
00:46:46
and off when you want to, which is nice.
00:46:48
And then the GR4 right now just has the
00:46:50
regular version. They did announce a
00:46:51
black and white version,
00:46:53
>> which I want really.
00:46:54
>> Does it have a orange button?
00:46:56
>> I don't know. Does it only means the
00:46:58
photos are probably [laughter]
00:47:01
>> more? Never mind. Cuz they're make going
00:47:02
to make them a lot lower volume.
00:47:05
>> Interesting. Yeah, I don't think I will
00:47:06
ever understand that.
00:47:08
>> Making a >> Did you watch our studio? Black and
00:47:09
white.
00:47:10
>> Making a black and white camera costs
00:47:11
more.
00:47:12
>> Oh, it's it's lower volume. You know,
00:47:15
it's lower volume production, but it's
00:47:18
>> I know they take one really want it.
00:47:20
>> They take one part off, which is Yeah,
00:47:22
>> you have to really want black and white
00:47:24
that type of thing.
00:47:25
>> Like instead of just sliding, saturation
00:47:27
zero, you have to want that.
00:47:28
>> Yeah. >> Anyway, GR4, um, it's APS-C. It is a 2.8
00:47:35
lens >> and it's got internal memory.
00:47:37
>> This is a prime. Um, it is.
00:47:38
>> Yeah. 18.3 mm APS-C, which is like a 23,
00:47:43
isn't it? 23.
00:47:44
>> Is this 28 on the website?
00:47:46
>> What is this?
00:47:47
>> 28 mm equivalent lens equivalent on B&H.
00:47:50
>> That's kind of wide. I >> think that's really true. But okay.
00:47:53
>> Either way, I like it. It's like the
00:47:55
perfect equivalent for like run and gun
00:47:57
type stuff and personally I do a lot of
00:48:00
pictures of like watches, like my watch
00:48:02
shots, and having it be a little wider
00:48:03
that way looking down is awesome while
00:48:05
I'm wearing it.
00:48:06
>> When I use the GR3, the one thing I
00:48:08
didn't Well, the thing I didn't really
00:48:09
like about it, one does not have a
00:48:10
viewfinder. which's camera also doesn't
00:48:13
have. It's hard for me to shoot without
00:48:14
a viewfinder.
00:48:15
>> That's half the fun. You don't know what
00:48:17
you're going to get. >> The screen does not like flip out or
00:48:19
anything. The screen is just fixed. So,
00:48:21
it's really hard to shoot from like
00:48:23
different angles.
00:48:24
>> Stop looking at your pictures. Just
00:48:25
vibes. Just press the button.
00:48:26
>> But like Adam said, when it's just like
00:48:28
a run and gun really quick thing, I
00:48:30
think it's pretty awesome.
00:48:31
>> The thing, again, the thing I I like it
00:48:33
the thing I like the most about it is
00:48:36
that when I take it out of my pocket, no
00:48:38
one has to pretend to act a certain way.
00:48:40
Like when I had my my real I had a Sony
00:48:43
a6500
00:48:45
a few years ago and I had like a giant
00:48:46
lens on it and I would take that to
00:48:48
family parties and anytime I would take
00:48:50
it out to like people pose and they
00:48:52
start smiling and they're like wait let
00:48:53
me fix my hair.
00:48:54
>> That does not happen with this camera. I
00:48:55
just pull it out and I can take pictures
00:48:57
and everyone's like oh look at that
00:48:59
stark black so very
00:49:01
>> low key.
00:49:03
It also does video.
00:49:05
>> Yeah. You want to guess what it does?
00:49:06
What kind of video?
00:49:07
>> I feel like that could do 1080.
00:49:09
>> Yeah 1080. 1080. Not even 4K.
00:49:12
>> Mine doesn't do video at all. That's
00:49:14
fair. Literally won't even shoot 720.
00:49:16
>> That's true. Yeah.
00:49:17
>> Okay, let's look at Adam's pictures.
00:49:19
>> Yeah. >> Picture numero uno
00:49:22
>> is a spot that David is very familiar
00:49:23
with. >> This is Central Park.
00:49:25
>> Adam and I have been here together many
00:49:27
times before. Or is this Pros Park?
00:49:29
>> No, it's Central Park. Yeah.
00:49:31
>> Um we're looking at a fall scene. There
00:49:33
is some fall color leaves and there's
00:49:36
some dead trees. Importantly, this is
00:49:38
not the grass part of the park.
00:49:40
>> No, >> no, [laughter]
00:49:41
it's the water part of the park. Yeah,
00:49:43
>> it's a water park. Um, water park.
00:49:46
>> He exposed it for the highlights so that
00:49:49
you know the left side of the image is
00:49:50
quite dark, which adds a nice level of
00:49:53
contrast, but the reflection in the
00:49:55
water of the color of the trees is very
00:49:57
pretty. Very nice. And um
00:50:00
>> Central Park, baby. I did nothing.
00:50:01
>> You know, it doesn't have a ton of res
00:50:03
resolution, so it does fall apart pretty
00:50:05
quickly when you zoom in. Yeah, but
00:50:06
don't do that.
00:50:07
>> But don't do that. [laughter]
00:50:10
>> That's all the answers.
00:50:11
>> Um, but overall, I think
00:50:12
>> this guy's good. >> Yeah, this guy's good. Another reason
00:50:14
why people like these Rico cameras is
00:50:15
the straight out of camera color is also
00:50:17
quite nice.
00:50:18
>> That is also very nice. Yeah. Like it I
00:50:20
also have it set to also give me the RAW
00:50:22
if I do want to mess with it. But thus
00:50:24
far, I have not felt the need to. Yeah.
00:50:27
>> Like what it does is pretty spot on to
00:50:28
what I would do.
00:50:29
>> Yeah. Very nice.
00:50:30
>> And there's also a different setting you
00:50:31
could do for black and white, which is
00:50:33
cool. >> Oh, really?
00:50:34
>> Yeah. >> Cool. All right. All right. Very good.
00:50:37
>> We'll look at image number two here.
00:50:39
>> Numero dos.
00:50:40
>> Numero dos. This would go crazy with
00:50:43
HDR. >> Oh [ __ ]
00:50:46
This would go No, Marquez. No.
00:50:48
[laughter] >> Come on. You know I'm right.
00:50:50
>> It's the opposite. You know, it's the
00:50:52
opposite of what I want for this photo.
00:50:53
>> You know I'm right.
00:50:54
>> No, this would go crazy with the HDF
00:50:56
version. That's what I would go crazy
00:50:57
with.
00:50:58
>> Yeah. This is again a picture of the
00:50:59
corner that Ellis had. It's like a a
00:51:02
little chair.
00:51:04
a little rearrange different yeah
00:51:05
different vertical aspect ratio but
00:51:07
>> yeah so the sun [clears throat] is
00:51:08
shining through the windows is
00:51:09
reflecting off of a picture of a car and
00:51:12
it's got a really big highlight spot
00:51:14
which would look great with the high
00:51:15
diffusion filter version
00:51:17
>> give me that ro
00:51:18
>> um the color of the greens are
00:51:20
incredible in this look very nice the
00:51:23
the highlight roll off and the shadow
00:51:25
sort of like the grays to dark colors
00:51:27
are nice um yeah this is just a it's
00:51:30
very nice golden hour shot and I think
00:51:32
the greens are amazing ing here and HDR
00:51:35
would look terrible. [laughter]
00:51:36
>> It would be blasted in this image. It
00:51:39
would be so much brightness.
00:51:40
>> It' be insane.
00:51:42
>> Yeah. Um Yeah, I like this photo.
00:51:44
>> It's very nice. I like the white
00:51:46
balance. >> The green in the helmet is almost the
00:51:47
same as the plant.
00:51:49
>> That's good.
00:51:50
>> All right. And then photo number three
00:51:53
is Oh,
00:51:56
this looks good. Now, I will say pretty
00:51:58
much any camera in extremely perfect
00:52:01
lighting like this, like controlled
00:52:03
lighting, is going to look awesome.
00:52:05
>> But this is just a quick snap. This is
00:52:06
an example of why Adam loves this
00:52:08
camera. It's a quick snap. Clearly, he
00:52:10
didn't really like, you know, try to
00:52:11
make it level or, you know,
00:52:13
>> I actually tried very hard, but thank
00:52:15
you. [laughter]
00:52:16
>> He clearly try.
00:52:17
>> It would have been easier to see if, you
00:52:19
know, you could see the screen or
00:52:21
through the the EVF that it doesn't
00:52:22
have. Um, but there's a photo of Marquez
00:52:25
doing the smartphone awards live.
00:52:27
>> Little BTS.
00:52:28
>> Uh, it looks really good. Looks really
00:52:30
nice. The color The color is amazing.
00:52:32
The color is really good.
00:52:33
>> Yeah, I had to take advantage of the set
00:52:36
that everyone had because everything was
00:52:38
too nice. >> It looks great.
00:52:39
>> Nice lights.
00:52:40
>> Um, I also like the the highlights on
00:52:43
the that are bouncing off the ping pong
00:52:44
table.
00:52:46
>> Funny that we kind of used the ping pong
00:52:47
table as like a like a bounce card by
00:52:49
accident. Um, but it looks great. This
00:52:51
would also go a hard in HDR because the
00:52:53
key light, that key light over there,
00:52:55
stay with me, is just blasting into the
00:52:58
camera as well as onto the subject. And
00:53:00
uh yeah, this would really cook my
00:53:02
irises. [laughter]
00:53:04
>> You want to move everything to the
00:53:05
middle of the tone curve?
00:53:07
>> What create Okay, what's the difference
00:53:09
between a circle and a sphere?
00:53:12
>> Depth. God,
00:53:13
>> what creates depth?
00:53:15
>> Z-axis dimension. [laughter]
00:53:17
>> What creates dimension in an image?
00:53:21
What creates
00:53:22
>> micro contrast? [screaming]
00:53:27
[laughter]
00:53:28
>> Shading. Marquez. Shading.
00:53:29
>> Shading. No, you're right. You're right.
00:53:32
>> I can still hear. [laughter]
00:53:33
>> Let's go.
00:53:35
>> Still
00:53:37
the longest reverb of all time.
00:53:38
[laughter]
00:53:39
>> Anyway.
00:53:40
>> Anyway. Yeah.
00:53:41
>> That's why I liked this camera cuz I
00:53:43
could do things like this. Cuz if I had
00:53:45
to pull out a whole other camera lens,
00:53:47
you would have heard it going off. It
00:53:48
would have been too much. This looks
00:53:49
great. This is nice. I saw you in the
00:53:51
corner of my eye shooting and I was
00:53:52
like, I'll just I'll pretend I'm not
00:53:53
>> Yeah. Yeah. Just ignore ignore him. It's
00:53:55
fine.
00:53:56
>> That's what everyone does.
00:53:57
>> Very good. Yeah. So, I think um for the
00:53:59
person that wants, like Adam said, you
00:54:01
know, something you can just pull out of
00:54:03
your pocket, literally your pocket, cuz
00:54:04
this is literally a pocket camera. No
00:54:06
one's going to like be posing for every
00:54:08
shot. You can just quickly do this. You
00:54:10
know, a lot of the people that use the
00:54:12
Did you just take a photo? I I don't
00:54:13
know. I wouldn't know. [laughter]
00:54:15
>> People use the JR4 like they they really
00:54:16
are into street photography.
00:54:19
boom boom boom boom boom paying
00:54:21
attention
00:54:24
like hyper fast
00:54:28
GR3X which is the street edition
00:54:32
>> um which is a longer lens that's 43
00:54:34
millime it's a or 40 mm it's a little
00:54:36
more street um focal length I mean a lot
00:54:39
of people use 28 for street too but
00:54:41
>> so yeah it is um weirdly like twice the
00:54:45
price of what the GR3
00:54:47
They like basically doubled the price
00:54:49
and I think they only did that cuz they
00:54:50
knew how popular it was getting
00:54:52
>> which is annoying.
00:54:54
>> Um, but the images look fantastic.
00:54:56
>> Also, >> thank you.
00:54:57
>> I spent a long time between this and I
00:54:59
wound up getting an X1006, but like I
00:55:02
was going there's a thousand videos
00:55:04
comparing the two, right?
00:55:06
>> And
00:55:07
>> I knew it was small, but when we got it,
00:55:10
when Adam got it, I was like, "Wow, this
00:55:13
>> it is impressively compact." And the
00:55:16
build quality is really solid, too. Like
00:55:18
I assumed being that small and the
00:55:20
threes were cheaper. I was like, "This
00:55:22
probably feels cheaper." It does not at
00:55:24
all. It's a
00:55:25
>> I feel like a lot of the videos I saw
00:55:27
comparing the two with the X100 series
00:55:28
and this one, they were like, you know,
00:55:30
it's a lot smaller, blah blah blah, but
00:55:32
like it it's they're still both
00:55:33
relatively like, no, this thing is
00:55:35
small.
00:55:36
>> Also, uh, fun little trivia, Rico and
00:55:38
Pentax are the same company owned by
00:55:40
Epson Group, the scanner company and the
00:55:42
printer company.
00:55:43
>> Goes back to printers.
00:55:45
They also own a happy hacking keyboard.
00:55:46
>> They do, which is really weird.
00:55:49
>> Very random thing for them to to own
00:55:51
their portfolio.
00:55:52
>> Cool portfolio.
00:55:53
>> Besides the scanner part,
00:55:55
>> besides the main thing.
00:55:56
>> That's the part that makes them money.
00:55:57
So, they can do all the other things.
00:55:59
>> Yeah. >> Out of my uh I like these pictures.
00:56:01
>> Thank you. I think I heard that I won
00:56:03
this competition. So, now I
00:56:05
>> noticed David being much nicer.
00:56:07
[laughter]
00:56:08
>> No sandwiches. Just no sandwiches. Just
00:56:11
straight compliments.
00:56:12
>> [laughter]
00:56:13
>> He said, "I want any midtone."
00:56:17
>> All right, let's bring Andrew up here.
00:56:19
>> All right, Andrew, let's talk about your
00:56:21
camera. >> All right, I'm going to preface this
00:56:23
with
00:56:24
>> preface.
00:56:25
>> I think I am the least camera
00:56:27
knowledgeable person here by a long
00:56:30
shot. I've understood about 10% of the
00:56:32
things you guys have said in this entire
00:56:34
episode. Um, but I love watching all you
00:56:38
guys take photos. So, it inspired me to
00:56:40
want to buy a camera recently. Also,
00:56:42
having a daughter helps a lot.
00:56:44
>> I take most of my photos of Lane.
00:56:48
>> Um, this probably isn't the best camera
00:56:50
to do that, >> but it's small and I always have it. So,
00:56:52
like
00:56:53
>> that's a great camera to do that.
00:56:54
>> That's I autofocus.
00:56:56
>> Yeah, >> with how fast she is has been tough
00:56:58
sometimes. But I only brought in
00:56:59
pictures of other things I've taken
00:57:02
photos of because it's still fun to
00:57:05
pretend like I know what I'm doing.
00:57:06
>> Oh yeah. >> So I w up getting this. Like I said, I
00:57:08
was between a GR3 and an X100. Um the
00:57:13
six was the newest one at the time
00:57:14
obviously and I was looking through a
00:57:15
lot of used ones and people were selling
00:57:18
them for like more than what they came
00:57:19
out as which was crazy. And I got lucky
00:57:22
enough that someone who actually listens
00:57:23
to the podcast was like, "Yo, I haven't
00:57:25
touched mine in forever.
00:57:27
Let me sell it to you.
00:57:28
>> Shout out to him.
00:57:29
>> Shout out Abraham. That was awesome. He
00:57:31
>> came to my beers and cameras event.
00:57:32
>> Yeah, dude. He's awesome. He's really
00:57:33
talented.
00:57:34
>> We were following each other. We were
00:57:35
going to follow each other on Instagram
00:57:36
and he was I was like, "Oh, you follow
00:57:38
or Andrew follows you?" And then he was
00:57:40
like, "Oh, yeah. I sold him his X6."
00:57:42
[laughter] I was like, "Oh,
00:57:43
>> it's like kitted out." Yeah. So, it has
00:57:45
a nice little And it has a nice thumb
00:57:46
grip from Polarp Pro. It has I bought
00:57:48
this uh I think it's from Open Glass
00:57:50
Studio. A little grip on the side. Yes.
00:57:53
>> And then I have, it's not on right now,
00:57:55
but I have the Moment Cine Bloom, the
00:57:58
20%, which is a lot.
00:57:59
>> It's a lot.
00:58:00
>> And um and the uh Polar Pro short stash.
00:58:04
>> Wow.
00:58:05
>> Filter that came with it also. So,
00:58:06
>> what does that do?
00:58:07
>> Uh it's uh
00:58:08
>> gives it a mustache. [laughter]
00:58:10
>> I have what I thought it did.
00:58:11
>> It's like a polarizer and also 14
00:58:15
>> Oh,
00:58:18
diffuser. >> Diffuser. Yeah, it's fun. The diffusion
00:58:21
stuff has been super fun. I don't think
00:58:22
any of my photos have it, but um
00:58:23
>> diffusion is like we talked about
00:58:25
earlier with the high diffusion filter.
00:58:26
It just makes everything softer and
00:58:28
blooming. It actually helps with digital
00:58:30
cameras because we talked about the
00:58:31
fringing in digital cameras. It's like
00:58:32
it's it makes it better.
00:58:34
>> It's just viby, man.
00:58:35
>> It's viby. Yeah. The pe the reason
00:58:37
people buy X100s is because they don't
00:58:38
want to edit their pictures very much
00:58:40
and the film simulations are great and
00:58:43
they're >> speaking from experience there.
00:58:45
>> Yeah.
00:58:46
>> Like Adam, also I take everything in RAW
00:58:49
and JPEG. I haven't touched a raw photo
00:58:51
since I've done it because the colors
00:58:52
are super fun out of this. They're just
00:58:54
like,
00:58:55
>> yeah, it's it's fun to take photos of
00:58:57
Lane with it and take photos of stuff.
00:58:59
Right now, Christmas time with lights
00:59:00
and stuff and like one of the diffusion
00:59:03
filters is just so much fun to the point
00:59:06
where I'm like, I need to put this away
00:59:07
and probably spend time with Lane versus
00:59:09
just taking photos.
00:59:11
>> Star filter. There's star filters that
00:59:12
the specular highlights like the
00:59:14
Christmas trees will like they'll like
00:59:15
turn into star shapes.
00:59:17
>> Okay. >> Yeah, it's cool. Yeah,
00:59:18
>> you have to show me one of those. All
00:59:19
right, let's let's jump into here to see
00:59:20
if I can uh pretend I'm artsy.
00:59:23
>> Oh, wow.
00:59:24
>> By the way, this is a prime, right?
00:59:26
What's the >> 23 mm? It's like a 35.
00:59:28
>> Yeah, like 35.
00:59:29
>> Dude, this is a cool photo.
00:59:31
>> I a little mat around this and it would
00:59:33
look great.
00:59:34
>> Oh,
00:59:35
>> the white border.
00:59:36
>> Yeah, this this was I was actually just
00:59:38
like at a birthday party and there was
00:59:40
this basketball court that just like you
00:59:42
could tell has aged a bit and I thought
00:59:44
the colors of it looked really nice. The
00:59:47
sky was beautiful that day and there's
00:59:49
just no one standing there at all and
00:59:51
the grass was just so green.
00:59:53
>> What film simulation did you use?
00:59:54
Classic negative.
00:59:55
>> I think almost all of these are classic
00:59:57
classic negative. This may have had the
00:59:59
short stash filter on it. Um
01:00:01
>> still don't know what that means.
01:00:02
>> It's just the guy I think it's
01:00:04
>> he's a a YouTuber and I think he made a
01:00:07
filter with Polar Pro.
01:00:09
>> Got it.
01:00:10
>> Um so it's his filter.
01:00:11
>> Yeah. When I preview this, it shows it
01:00:13
with like a mat and uh yeah, this is a
01:00:15
>> really nice looking picture.
01:00:17
>> Compliments. >> Yeah, classic negative is a really nice
01:00:20
>> sandwiches. David sandwiches. [laughter]
01:00:22
>> I hate um
01:00:24
>> HDR HDR,
01:00:26
>> which is not at all in this picture. No,
01:00:28
this is a great picture, Andrew.
01:00:30
>> Thank you. >> It's nice.
01:00:31
>> Um yeah, I think I use that. I have been
01:00:32
It is so much fun to mess around with
01:00:34
like recipes that people make. um
01:00:37
following the like different Fuji uh
01:00:40
subreddits. >> Fuji X Weekly.
01:00:41
>> Yeah. Yeah. And Fuji X Weekly. And just
01:00:43
going through all those and being like,
01:00:44
"All right, I'm going out and shooting
01:00:46
blah blah blah today, so I'm going to
01:00:47
start uh
01:00:49
>> ISO." Oh, shutter speed.
01:00:50
>> Shutter speed. But if you pick it up and
01:00:52
spin, that's ISO.
01:00:54
>> Oh, that's cool.
01:00:55
>> It's pretty cool.
01:00:56
>> Yeah. So Fuji recipes are basically just
01:00:59
like preset settings cuz in the camera
01:01:01
you can change the the base film
01:01:04
simulation which they have like they're
01:01:05
emulating different um old films but
01:01:08
then you can change like the saturation
01:01:10
the saturation of the blues you can make
01:01:12
it softer you can change all these
01:01:14
settings and so people will create their
01:01:17
own recipes to emulate either old films
01:01:20
or just like a style that they like you
01:01:22
know they'll call it like Italy in the
01:01:24
summer or something that I have that I
01:01:26
really like
01:01:27
>> Blues actually was a film though.
01:01:28
>> Was it?
01:01:29
>> Yeah, it was a real film.
01:01:30
>> Um, but they've become very popular.
01:01:33
People share their recipes online.
01:01:34
There's now an app that someone showed
01:01:36
me at my beers and cameras event where
01:01:37
you can uh you can just connect to the
01:01:39
camera and it will flash the recipe onto
01:01:41
the camera.
01:01:42
>> Is it the Fuji app?
01:01:43
>> No, >> it's not. Okay, then I'll have to get
01:01:45
that. >> It's a third party app.
01:01:46
>> It's not hard to enter them in. It's all
01:01:48
just through the menu settings. It takes
01:01:49
a while. Yeah. It's a lot of just like,
01:01:51
>> you know, the joystick fiddling around
01:01:53
and stuff like that.
01:01:54
>> You can save some presets.
01:01:55
>> That That'd be awesome. Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:56
>> Um, you will notice for some reason I
01:01:59
only take
01:02:00
>> uh portrait vertical
01:02:02
>> aspect. Yeah, vertical photos only.
01:02:05
>> I maybe I should have bought the Fuji X
01:02:07
half, but um
01:02:09
>> but uh yeah, I don't know why I only
01:02:11
take vertical.
01:02:13
>> Damn, this is this is great.
01:02:15
>> Which is making it harder to view on a
01:02:17
laptop screen because it's
01:02:20
>> The second photo is of some berries on a
01:02:23
bush. Um, it's shot at a pretty shallow
01:02:26
depth of field. Probably probably F2.
01:02:28
>> Two. Yeah.
01:02:29
>> And it's snowing, so you can see like
01:02:31
the flurries of snow. So, it's probably
01:02:32
like a one5th or 130th of a shutter
01:02:36
speed. The benefit of this camera, too,
01:02:37
is that it's got um ibis. And so, you
01:02:39
can handhold it for like a whole second.
01:02:41
And it's awesome.
01:02:42
>> It's awesome as long as things are
01:02:44
aren't moving, which when I'm taking
01:02:46
photos of Lane.
01:02:49
>> The metadata.
01:02:50
>> It was It was super bright outside. This
01:02:52
was midday. It just started snowing when
01:02:54
we were in Salem, which
01:02:55
>> Okay. >> Which is why that house
01:02:56
>> snow kind of looks like elongated, but
01:02:58
>> I think it was just big snow.
01:03:00
>> Big snow. >> Big snow flurries. Um the the house in
01:03:03
the background is just like every house
01:03:04
in Salem is just this beautiful house
01:03:06
made in the like 1800s
01:03:08
>> and it's just a beautiful place to be.
01:03:10
>> The colors in this photo are awesome.
01:03:12
>> Thank you. >> Or like the pictures.
01:03:14
>> I shouldn't take any credit. It's
01:03:15
probably all [laughter]
01:03:16
>> Well, and this is why people buy these
01:03:18
cameras, right? Because you can just get
01:03:20
stuff like this straight out of camera
01:03:21
with no editing. Okay, now say something
01:03:22
bad. I'm feeling jealous.
01:03:24
>> Um,
01:03:28
>> damn. It could possibly [laughter] I
01:03:29
would possibly straighten this
01:03:32
>> slightly different cuz you can see the
01:03:34
lines in the back
01:03:35
>> are not they're like angled a little
01:03:38
This is something I think I
01:03:39
>> do maybe do this in post
01:03:41
>> have a big issue with is I do feel like
01:03:43
a lot of my photos are slightly not
01:03:46
straight and then sometimes I have
01:03:48
problems
01:03:51
>> the auto straightening features. So
01:03:52
>> I don't use auto straightening
01:03:54
>> also on on these cameras too um on the
01:03:58
on the screen or in the viewfinder. Oh,
01:04:00
you have that on?
01:04:01
>> I have the 2D one on the 3D one feels
01:04:04
like it takes up so much of the LCD.
01:04:06
>> It does. Yeah. Um, but maybe I should do
01:04:08
it. >> Yeah, I would just try one of the auto
01:04:11
straightening features. There's also um
01:04:13
like there's perspective correction in
01:04:16
things like Lightroom where you just
01:04:18
drag a line down one of the straight
01:04:20
lines and it automatically fixes it.
01:04:22
>> It goes crazy actually.
01:04:23
>> Yeah, it's cool. I use it a lot
01:04:25
>> some cuz sometimes I'll go into the
01:04:26
rotation tool, right, and I'll be like
01:04:28
that line looks off.
01:04:31
>> Fix that into a line in the rotation
01:04:32
tool and be like now this line looks
01:04:33
off. And I don't know if that's me.
01:04:35
>> That's perspective issues because you're
01:04:37
shooting this mostly straight on, but
01:04:39
that house is like in the background and
01:04:41
there's curve there's like curvature
01:04:42
between the foreground and background.
01:04:44
>> So yeah, I would use a perspective
01:04:46
correction tool which Lightroom has.
01:04:48
>> I will have to find that cuz I think
01:04:50
that would help me with so many. I also
01:04:52
am terrible at
01:04:53
>> taking a photo headon of something. I
01:04:55
feel like I mostly take photos now at an
01:04:57
angle because when I'm headon, I realize
01:04:59
I'm like three degrees off at some point
01:05:02
and I can't unsee it in a photo and it
01:05:03
feels like it ruins the photo.
01:05:05
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. This is great.
01:05:06
>> This is a good picture. I like it.
01:05:07
>> Very nice. Oo,
01:05:09
Andrew.
01:05:10
>> I think this is all subject.
01:05:12
>> Andrew came up with this uh with this
01:05:14
idea for this bonus episode and I think
01:05:15
you just [laughter] show
01:05:16
>> I know. Seriously. Link in description
01:05:18
to his store.
01:05:20
>> Wow. The colors on this are awesome.
01:05:23
Where did you find this?
01:05:25
>> This is in Salem, also.
01:05:26
>> Okay, so this is a pay phone that has a
01:05:28
ton of uh spray paint and different
01:05:31
stickers on it. And then the wall has a
01:05:33
big mural on it, but the colors of the
01:05:36
mural are the same as the colors, both
01:05:39
spray painted on and on the stickers of
01:05:41
the pay phone. So, it looks really cool.
01:05:44
Looks really nice. Wow.
01:05:46
>> We drove by this.
01:05:47
>> Dang, dude. And then I later when Lane
01:05:49
took a nap walked back to go take a
01:05:51
photo of this cuz I was like that just
01:05:53
looks really cool. It like matches the
01:05:55
mural.
01:05:56
>> And it's cool cuz like the uh
01:05:58
>> the phone cord is like ripped off. Like
01:06:00
this is very clearly a thing that hasn't
01:06:02
been used in forever and people just
01:06:05
like
01:06:06
>> vandalized it slash turned it into what
01:06:08
felt like an art piece on the wall.
01:06:10
>> That is probably my favorite part about
01:06:12
carrying an actual camera versus my
01:06:15
phone. like you drove past it and you
01:06:16
were like, I'm coming back for that.
01:06:18
>> I need this. >> I need that picture.
01:06:20
>> The cool thing is that this is also a 40
01:06:23
megapixel camera, so you can like you
01:06:25
can zoom in pretty decently.
01:06:27
>> Yeah, I like >> looks really nice.
01:06:28
>> Sure.
01:06:29
>> I would I like the angle that you took
01:06:31
this a lot.
01:06:32
>> I would I would be interested in seeing
01:06:34
what the perspective of straight on
01:06:36
would be,
01:06:37
>> which, you know, it's just something you
01:06:38
could do in Gemini 3, but [laughter]
01:06:41
>> just make it for you. just that's Wait,
01:06:43
that is a Lightroom thing, right? You
01:06:44
said I could [laughter] not.
01:06:48
>> Yeah, they'll probably add that to
01:06:49
Photoshop soon.
01:06:50
>> Um, yeah, the colors of this are great.
01:06:52
I think noticing how the colors play off
01:06:55
of each other is a big part of
01:06:56
photography and uh I like the Yeah, the
01:06:59
45 degree angle that you took it out is
01:07:01
also really nice. So,
01:07:02
>> thank you.
01:07:03
>> Wow. >> I think that's a crutch for me. I I I
01:07:06
think I like straight on photos. I just
01:07:08
keep messing it up. Do you have like a
01:07:10
uh a piece of advice to making sure
01:07:12
you're straight on?
01:07:13
>> Straight on is difficult because our
01:07:15
eyes notice any of those like small
01:07:18
tilts more.
01:07:19
>> So using perspective correction is very
01:07:22
helpful for straight on stuff because
01:07:24
the symmetry is so important and we we
01:07:26
notice that a lot more when it's
01:07:28
straight on. >> Okay.
01:07:29
>> So it's hard it's kind of hard to get a
01:07:31
straight on photo that looks like
01:07:32
incredible, you know, you just have to
01:07:34
make sure it's perfectly aligned. the
01:07:36
the way I do it. So, the way I do it
01:07:39
when we're doing robot shots is like
01:07:41
because so often the robot's not exactly
01:07:43
straight with the object. So, what I do
01:07:45
is I push the robot all the way till the
01:07:47
table till it presses flat on the edge
01:07:49
and then pull it back and don't go off
01:07:51
that axis.
01:07:52
>> I don't think I could do that in real
01:07:54
life. Just like walk forward until I'm
01:07:56
flat and then walk all the way back and
01:07:58
try and be perfect.
01:07:59
>> Yeah, I think my train tracks are pretty
01:08:01
straight.
01:08:02
>> I think that works.
01:08:03
>> Yeah, pretty straight. Yeah, thank you.
01:08:05
>> [laughter]
01:08:07
>> I think I also I would like I don't know
01:08:10
if you have a quick piece of advice
01:08:12
because I don't have an example.
01:08:15
>> All of my good photos are center subject
01:08:17
center frame.
01:08:18
>> Uhhuh.
01:08:19
>> And I don't know how to I feel like
01:08:23
correctly balance a photo which is
01:08:25
probably why I'm taking so much vertical
01:08:27
because it feels easier to do that.
01:08:29
>> Rule of thirds is a good like default.
01:08:32
Um,
01:08:33
>> yeah. Maybe I'm just not finding it
01:08:35
correctly in in the shot in the framing
01:08:38
of what I'm looking for. Or uh
01:08:40
>> I feel like the eye for something. I see
01:08:42
all you guys take photos of these like
01:08:45
>> corners of like a bench or and all that
01:08:47
and I just like walk around. I'm like I
01:08:49
don't see that yet in my
01:08:50
>> I feel like that with like car
01:08:51
photography. Like I see a lot of people
01:08:53
take great pictures of cars like the
01:08:55
hoods, the the hood ornaments from
01:08:56
different angles and then I'll pass a
01:08:58
cool car and be like, "Oh, I'm going to
01:08:59
try to get this picture." And I just
01:09:00
cannot get it. It's so difficult. Yeah.
01:09:04
>> I think that's what I've been trying to
01:09:05
do lately is I want to take this camera
01:09:07
out all the time when I'm walking
01:09:09
around.
01:09:10
>> Yeah. >> Because when I get back, I'm going to
01:09:11
dump 200 photos and I'm going be like,
01:09:12
"One of these is cool and I hate the
01:09:14
rest of them." And but if I hopefully
01:09:16
just keep doing it, maybe I'll have the
01:09:18
eye for how I could have gotten that
01:09:21
cool scene into a cool picture.
01:09:22
>> Yeah. It's a lot of like I think when
01:09:25
you're learning you can just you can um
01:09:29
look at a lot of photos that you like
01:09:31
and try to understand why you like them.
01:09:33
>> Just be like what what is it about this
01:09:35
image that I find compelling, you know,
01:09:38
and then try to recreate that.
01:09:39
>> It's the exciting piece of the beginning
01:09:42
of skill development where your taste is
01:09:44
above your skill and you're like I know
01:09:46
that that's good. I don't I know why
01:09:48
that's not that, but I don't know how to
01:09:50
get that to be that. Right.
01:09:51
>> It might be the biggest detriment of
01:09:53
working here. [laughter]
01:09:54
Like when it comes to media things, the
01:09:56
talent and the gear that we have here is
01:09:59
so insane.
01:10:00
>> Anyone here at any time can probably
01:10:02
think like, I could do that. I watches
01:10:03
do it all the time. And then you do it
01:10:04
and you're like, "Wow." Well, that's
01:10:06
almost why like the X100 is such a good
01:10:08
camera for like 99% of people because it
01:10:11
does so much for you, but it is it's
01:10:14
APS-C, you know, it has less dynamic
01:10:17
range than other things like Marquez's
01:10:19
camera like with the the HDR
01:10:22
capabilities. The amount that you can do
01:10:24
with that extra dynamic range if you
01:10:26
want the creative control to actually do
01:10:28
that is like awesome, you know, and you
01:10:31
have all that creative control and what
01:10:32
you can do later. whereas this, you
01:10:34
know, it's a much more compressed sort
01:10:36
of like amount that you can do with it,
01:10:38
but it's so much better straight out of
01:10:41
camera for a lot of people.
01:10:43
>> So, >> so give me your uh your H2s, which are
01:10:46
the best for what?
01:10:48
>> Oh, yeah. I'd say
01:10:50
>> H2.
01:10:51
>> If you're writing an article, an H2
01:10:52
headline is just like the bold part.
01:10:56
>> Yeah, I can reset. I'd say the X100
01:11:00
series is probably the best like starter
01:11:03
camera for anybody, which also pros use
01:11:06
it as their secondary bodies to just
01:11:08
have fun with. So, you know, it's both a
01:11:10
starter camera and just a have fun
01:11:11
camera.
01:11:12
>> I saw a wedding photographer doing it.
01:11:14
They had their main camera was some
01:11:16
crazy Canon or whatever and then they
01:11:17
just had one of these slung over their
01:11:19
shoulder. >> I mean, yeah, take photos of that at a
01:11:21
wedding and people are just going to
01:11:23
instantly love it, you I've been on
01:11:24
photo shoots where the photographer is
01:11:26
taking like 3 to 5,000 photos on the
01:11:28
main camera and then every once in a
01:11:29
while just pulls out an X100 and takes
01:11:31
[laughter] a couple and then goes back
01:11:32
to the pro shots. It's like
01:11:33
>> and then only sends the X100 photos.
01:11:36
Uh, I say that Adams is probably the
01:11:39
best for just run and gun like street
01:11:42
work. Just being as pocketable as
01:11:44
possible, you know, wanting some just
01:11:47
like quick snapshots of their life that
01:11:49
they don't have to cuz even on the X100,
01:11:51
you're deciding on what uh film recipe
01:11:54
you want to use and like you're still
01:11:55
doing some work to get it where you want
01:11:57
it to be. But for for the GR4, it's more
01:12:00
about just like in the moment being
01:12:02
there. Um, Marquez has
01:12:04
>> some recipes, but
01:12:05
>> yeah,
01:12:06
>> not like Fuji. >> Yeah, it has some recipes. Marquez's
01:12:08
camera is best for the like pro pro that
01:12:11
wants like the most out of the camera
01:12:13
possible, the most resolution, the most
01:12:16
dynamic range to play with, the [snorts]
01:12:17
most to like
01:12:18
>> flexibility.
01:12:19
>> Yeah, flexibility to like craft an image
01:12:22
with
01:12:23
>> if you really like mid tones.
01:12:25
>> And [snorts] then um Ellis's camera
01:12:28
most mid camera.
01:12:29
>> [laughter]
01:12:30
>> Ellis's camera is the best for cult
01:12:32
members um who
01:12:34
>> for micro contra
01:12:35
>> want yeah for micro contra uh yeah the
01:12:39
the thing I do like about Ellis's camera
01:12:40
a lot is that in the photography
01:12:43
community there's you know people will
01:12:45
argue and complain about what camera is
01:12:47
best whatever whatever but there's also
01:12:49
this subset of people that just tries to
01:12:51
that just try to do insane with like the
01:12:54
worst camera possible just for fun
01:12:56
because it's like worse but worse is
01:12:58
also better in 2025 in a lot of ways
01:13:01
because >> everything's good.
01:13:02
>> Everything's good. We're so used to
01:13:04
seeing everything with like everything
01:13:06
is within like everything is perfectly
01:13:08
exposed. Everything's perfectly sharp.
01:13:10
Everything is the autofocus is great.
01:13:12
This is great. Blah blah blah. The
01:13:13
resolution is great. So, it's almost
01:13:15
like a differentiator to see something
01:13:17
that is well composed but with a trash
01:13:19
camera that has like low dynamic range.
01:13:22
Low
01:13:23
>> how much money people spend and how much
01:13:25
time people spend to like get that
01:13:28
chromatic aberration that's in my lens.
01:13:30
>> Right.
01:13:31
>> I think the tinkering aspect of Ellis's
01:13:32
camera sounds like so much fun. Like
01:13:35
that's the kind of stuff
01:13:36
>> that's super fun. And then when you go
01:13:38
take the photo that's good and know
01:13:41
>> what you had to do to get to that point,
01:13:43
>> right, >> makes the photo.
01:13:44
>> This is why I always say Ellis would be
01:13:46
great with an Android phone. But
01:13:48
whatever. >> Sounds like what I'm hearing,
01:13:51
>> the best camera you can buy in 2025
01:13:55
>> is the one you already have.
01:13:58
>> No, no, no, no, no. Possible [laughter]
01:14:01
X2D.
01:14:02
>> It's a Canon EOSM from 2012.
01:14:05
>> 35 to 100.
01:14:06
>> No. Oh yeah, it's uh it is definitely
01:14:08
subjective. That is the that is the
01:14:10
beauty of it. It is it's basically it's
01:14:11
art and the art will no matter who you
01:14:13
are will be subjective to who you are.
01:14:15
And there's probably a little bit of
01:14:17
each of these cameras in somebody's
01:14:18
favorite camera.
01:14:19
>> Yeah. So
01:14:20
>> I'm jealous that your camera has LAR
01:14:22
autofocus. I think that's dope.
01:14:24
>> Yeah, it's great when it works.
01:14:25
>> That's true.
01:14:28
>> Well, yeah. Thanks for watching. Hope
01:14:29
you enjoyed and uh like looking at a lot
01:14:32
of our photos and maybe you have
01:14:33
suggestions for how some of us can take
01:14:34
better photos as well. Uh, leave your
01:14:36
compliment sandwiches below [laughter]
01:14:37
and uh, we'll be back with your
01:14:39
regularly scheduled programming pretty
01:14:42
soon. See you soon.
01:14:43
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We recorded one more bonus episode before going on holiday break all about one of our favorite topics...cameras! In this one, Marques, Andrew, Adam, and Ellis all try to be David's favorite. The crew each picked their favorite 3 pictures that they've all taken with wildly different cameras and David goes through them to give feedback. It's half portfolio-review/half chaotic camera comparisons. We hope you enjoy and we'll see you next year for regular weekly episodes. Happy holidays! Google Drive folder with all photos link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yabrmxsedov--G0wpIfynEnrqiGZfEKH?usp=sharing Chapters 00:00 - Intro 05:05 - Marques (Hasselblad X2D II) 21:25 - Ad break 21:28 - Ellis (Canon EOS-M) 44:20 - Ad break 44:25 - Adam (Ricoh GR IV) 57:08 - Andrew (Fuji X100 VI) Shop the merch: https://mkbhd.com/ Links: Verge - Hasselblad review: https://www.theverge.com/camera-review/765305/hasselblad-x2d-ii-the-luxury-sports-car-of-medium-format-cameras Becca Farsace - 1000 pictures with a Ricoh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHXnJ2dqdeQ Music provided by Epidemic Sound Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Waveform Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Hosts: Marques: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Andrew: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser David: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Adam: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Join the Discord: https://discord.com/invite/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://www.youtube.com/user/20syl Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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