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Are you watching something or now? Did00:00:03
you guys SEE00:00:12
>> YO, what is up people of the internet?00:00:13
Welcome back to another episode of the00:00:15
Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm00:00:17
Marquez. >> I'm Andrew.00:00:18
>> And I'm David. We're all back and we of00:00:20
course have entered Techtober which00:00:22
means there's still plenty to talk00:00:24
about. Uh there was what an Amazon event00:00:27
this week, so there might be some cool00:00:28
stuff there. There was a Google, not an00:00:30
event, but an announcement as well, and00:00:33
that might also be interesting. David00:00:34
also wants to play a game, I've been00:00:36
told. So, we'll get to that.00:00:39
>> And we'll wrap up with some snippets of00:00:41
remember that James Cameron stuff that00:00:42
we were going to have last week, but00:00:43
then we ended up arguing about horses00:00:45
and F1 cars.00:00:46
>> Mhm. >> Totally worth it.00:00:47
>> But00:00:48
>> to start off the podcast, I didn't watch00:00:50
last week's episode,00:00:52
>> but I just heard I just saw stuff in in00:00:54
the Slack about horses. We are getting00:00:56
dangerously close to just going right00:00:57
back down that rabbit hole. So, I'll00:00:59
just say we'll watch it later00:01:01
>> and then you can weigh in,00:01:02
>> okay?00:01:03
>> Cuz it's there's two sides to this00:01:04
debate.00:01:05
>> Um, >> is it like you need a a tiebreaker00:01:07
opinion?00:01:08
>> It's just fun to imagine stuff, you00:01:11
know. But we will play those James00:01:13
Cameron interview clips for you this00:01:14
week because they're actually kind of00:01:16
interesting. Uh, but first, Andrew,00:01:19
showand tell time.00:01:20
>> Oh, what do you have to show us today?00:01:21
Do you know how normally we put like the00:01:23
really important stuff of the week in00:01:24
the middle of the episode?00:01:26
>> Sure. >> It helps our retention rate, keeps00:01:28
people along. Well,00:01:29
>> what I've got can't wait.00:01:32
>> Wow. >> Um, this is the pinnacle of the episode.00:01:34
It could be the pinnacle of 2025.00:01:37
>> This is definitely Andrew's crown,00:01:38
>> but I have with me.00:01:40
>> Oh,00:01:41
>> the Microsoft XP Crux. They are in and00:01:45
they are glorious.00:01:47
>> I do like the gibbits.00:01:48
>> I'm going to give you00:01:49
>> Is it giblets or jib? You want to hold00:01:51
this, Marquez? I just want you to00:01:52
describe it a little bit.00:01:53
>> I don't I don't want to.00:01:56
>> They are the greatest. They are every00:01:59
ounce of perfect that I thought they00:02:01
could be. They come in a nice little00:02:03
bag. That's the Windows XP um hillside00:02:06
cloud background. They themselves have00:02:09
it on the top with like green on the00:02:11
bottom. Um, and the gibbits are00:02:14
recycling,00:02:15
um, cursor, the MSN butterfly,00:02:19
>> what a folder,00:02:20
>> files, >> files. Yeah. Internet Explorer, and00:02:22
Clippy.00:02:24
>> There are no words to explain my hatred00:02:26
of this product.00:02:27
>> That is so00:02:28
>> I have a question.00:02:29
>> Okay, so the inside of the Croc,00:02:32
>> correct, >> has all of these like divots, but00:02:35
they're negative divots. What do they00:02:37
call that?00:02:38
>> Indentations,00:02:39
>> is it? No,00:02:40
>> but they're opposite. Oh, positive.00:02:41
neck. But divots go in.00:02:42
>> Are they engraved or embossed?00:02:45
>> Um >> insets.00:02:46
>> Wouldn't that be debossed?00:02:47
>> They're bumps.00:02:49
>> It's braille.00:02:50
>> It's braille. Yeah. Okay. So, the Crocs00:02:52
have a ton of braille inside00:02:53
>> texture. Yeah. Um doesn't that hurt your00:02:55
feet?00:02:56
>> No, they wear out.00:02:57
>> It's for grip.00:02:58
>> Haven't you ever worn those like Adidas00:03:00
slides that everyone was obsessed with00:03:02
for a while? You know what I'm talking00:03:03
about. Also entirely00:03:05
>> The whole bottom were just like these00:03:06
little like hurt my feet a lot.00:03:08
>> I didn't love them. These wear out00:03:09
pretty quickly. I actually think they're00:03:11
more comfortable once these wear out.00:03:13
It's just a little texture shoot so your00:03:14
foot doesn't slide.00:03:15
>> I don't want texture on my foot.00:03:16
>> That implies you're wearing these so00:03:18
often.00:03:20
>> You're wearing00:03:21
>> Wear your kicks, bro.00:03:23
>> The irony of me wearing the shoes right00:03:25
now that are like wear your kicks.00:03:27
>> Oh, you are wearing them.00:03:28
>> Yeah. Um,00:03:29
>> this is a men's 10, but it looks like a00:03:31
I shouldn't say00:03:32
>> it's pretty looks like a 14. I'm just00:03:35
>> They're pretty big.00:03:37
>> They I don't know. They're fantastic. I00:03:39
think the funniest story about this is00:03:41
like Marquez wasn't here in the episode00:03:43
when we talked about these getting00:03:44
launched.00:03:46
>> And so like a week ago, he forwards me a00:03:49
screenshot of this email from Microsoft00:03:52
saying, "Hey Marquez, would love to send00:03:54
you a pair of these. Let me know your00:03:55
shoe size." And Marquez screenshots it,00:03:57
puts it in Slack, and says, "Andrew, I00:03:59
just want you to know I said no to00:04:00
this."00:04:01
>> And I replied, "I ordered those a month00:04:04
ago. Don't worry."00:04:06
So shout out to uh Corey. He works at00:04:09
Microsoft and he got me hooked up with00:04:11
these. I had to go through him. Like 1000:04:13
people from Microsoft reached out and00:04:14
was like, "I'll order them for you."00:04:15
>> This is This is Okay, here's my00:04:17
question. You because you seem to like00:04:19
Crocs and no matter how ugly they make00:04:21
them, you seem to like them more and00:04:22
more. Is there something they could put00:04:24
on Crocs that would make you not like00:04:26
Windows Vista on the Crocs? Would you00:04:28
still like to wear them?00:04:29
>> Vista?00:04:30
>> Like Vista?00:04:31
>> No, it's Vista.00:04:33
>> So, there is a line somewhere.00:04:34
>> There's a line. There's lots of Croc00:04:36
lines. They've hit them. Have you seen00:04:37
the high heels?00:04:38
>> Yeah, I've seen00:04:39
>> they're rough.00:04:40
>> Yes. >> Um, no. There's plenty of bad Crocs. I00:04:43
like just the OG clog. This one's a00:04:45
little fun. There's a KFC fried chicken00:04:48
one. >> Oh my god.00:04:50
>> I've never actually seen you wear them,00:04:51
though.00:04:52
>> Crocs? Yeah,00:04:53
>> that's cuz Marquez00:04:55
bullies me whenever I wear them.00:04:57
>> I banned him from00:04:59
>> We've had days where Marquez is out and00:05:01
the like five of us in the office go00:05:02
like Crocs day question mark and we all00:05:04
wear them in. I have to I I want to ban00:05:07
Crocs without banning Crocs. I'll ban00:05:09
like open toed, closed towed shoes.00:05:10
>> These are not00:05:12
>> Yes.00:05:13
Think of like chefs are one of like the00:05:17
strictest types of shoes you can wear in00:05:19
a kitchen and Crocs.00:05:20
>> Yeah. Because it you don't want anything00:05:22
dropping on your foot and they need to00:05:24
be non-slip. Kitchen's a chef.00:05:27
>> What?00:05:28
>> You want to know what a chef is?00:05:29
>> No. Like the Is that a type of shoe?00:05:31
>> No, no, no, no. It's a person. It's a00:05:34
It's a career. I was saying it was a00:05:37
type of00:05:39
>> Sorry. >> Chef footwear.00:05:41
>> Lots of chefs.00:05:42
>> We were googling that already.00:05:44
>> I was like, "Did he miss her me?" And00:05:46
then he typed in ch EF and I was like,00:05:48
I'm so confused, right?00:05:49
>> Okay.00:05:50
>> Yes. >> Sorry.00:05:51
>> We can end there if you would like. But00:05:53
uh no, chef's shoes.00:05:55
>> These are these are work shoes,00:05:58
>> I guess.00:05:59
>> They put in work,00:06:00
>> I guess. Yeah. But second,00:06:02
>> I don't like the divots.00:06:03
>> The most interesting and important news00:06:06
of the week00:06:07
>> is that it has been announced that Bad00:06:10
Bunny will be playing the last00:06:13
Philadelphia Eagles game of the NFL00:06:15
season.00:06:18
>> I see. >> Was the joke there that the birds are00:06:20
making the Super Bowl?00:06:21
>> Yes.00:06:22
>> Do you need to hear the sound again?00:06:24
>> I didn't I could barely hear it. Sorry.00:06:26
I think the mics are screwed up.00:06:29
Um,00:06:31
>> what are they saying?00:06:32
>> Exactly.00:06:33
>> Are we still a tech podcast?00:06:36
>> We're just talking about Windows XP.00:06:37
>> Technically, it was a Windows XP. I00:06:39
don't know if this can be tied in00:06:40
somehow to tech as well, but that did00:06:42
get announced.00:06:43
>> Something something. Go birds.00:06:44
>> Yeah, exactly.00:06:46
>> Go birds. >> Go birds.00:06:47
>> Go birds. >> Speaking of things that00:06:49
>> Wow, that was crazy. That was the00:06:50
quadruple gods on the waveform podcast.00:06:53
They're all converted.00:06:54
>> I think Saquon Barkley pops up if you00:06:56
say it that many times.00:06:58
Speaking, let's see. Speaking of things00:07:00
that are that can fly00:07:03
>> because they're so lightweight.00:07:06
>> Birds. Birds fly into windows all the00:07:09
time, which we were just talking about.00:07:10
>> And windows are clear. Kind of like00:07:13
>> what I'm wearing on my face right now.00:07:15
>> We got there.00:07:16
>> So, okay. So, video viewers have already00:07:18
noticed that.00:07:19
>> I got birds, boys.00:07:22
>> Nice find. That's an elite find.00:07:25
>> Go birds. >> Uh, okay. So, so video users have00:07:27
noticed that I'm wearing a certain pair00:07:29
of glasses. Maybe you've clocked them00:07:30
even already as the exact pair of00:07:32
glasses that I'm wearing. Uh, which is00:07:34
the Meta Rayban displays. So, not just00:07:37
the red meta ray bands with the cameras00:07:39
and stuff, but I could be scrolling00:07:42
Instagram00:07:44
right now.00:07:46
>> Matter of fact,00:07:48
>> I have been this entire00:07:50
>> No, I'm just kidding. No, but you Okay,00:07:51
so basically, I've got the the neural00:07:53
band on as well.00:07:54
>> Okay. Okay, I only set this up like 1000:07:55
minutes ago, so I don't even have00:07:56
Instagram and WhatsApp plugged in, but I00:07:58
can pull up the UI right now and it's up00:08:01
and I can start scrolling around. And00:08:02
this this brings us right back to where00:08:04
I ended the video that I made about00:08:06
them, which is is the future is the00:08:09
future of computing going to end up in a00:08:12
place where I could be looking at my UI00:08:16
in front of my face. And it's glasses,00:08:18
so it's on my face, so it kind of looks00:08:20
like I'm looking at you, but I'm00:08:22
straight up not looking at you right00:08:24
now. I'm reading something. >> If I try really hard, I can see like a00:08:28
>> No, now I can't. It's really hard to00:08:30
see. There was like a GL the picture.00:08:34
>> When I take a picture, it's really00:08:35
obvious cuz it lights up the little00:08:36
camera lens. Uh but yeah, it is.00:08:39
>> It's almost impossible to see. You're00:08:40
looking at something. I feel like for a00:08:42
second I thought I thought I could see00:08:45
there's a line like here, but I think00:08:47
that's the wave00:08:48
>> wave wave guide. I thought I saw like00:08:51
the top of the box for a second. I went00:08:54
fully around him 360° while he was doing00:08:57
something and I could not see anything.00:08:58
>> I think because from behind him00:09:00
>> we've got a bright point light source00:09:01
right right here.00:09:02
>> No, I was out in the by his desk.00:09:04
>> I know. I'm saying because we have this00:09:05
I can see it a little bit at certain00:09:07
angles. >> Is something up right now?00:09:08
>> Yep.00:09:09
>> I'm trying to see if I can see the00:09:10
reflection in your eye.00:09:12
>> Oh yeah. What is he looking at? I don't00:09:14
know. >> I mean again I'm looking at Almartart00:09:16
right now because I was I'm paused my00:09:18
music which is on Spotify.00:09:19
>> Uh it is really bright and very viewable00:09:22
to me. Obviously,00:09:23
>> isn't it like 3,000 5,000 nits?00:09:25
>> 5,000 nits. I don't know exactly how00:09:27
they measure that. It's a projector.00:09:28
It's a wave guide. It's a whole system.00:09:29
It goes away automatically. So, I'll00:09:31
bring it back and I can read it pretty00:09:32
easily and just go glance back and forth00:09:34
between the person I'm talking to and00:09:36
the little art. And I can even put a00:09:37
little backdrop on it with my hand. But00:09:39
yeah, I I am clearly in the metaverse00:09:42
now.00:09:43
>> Why did they make him glossy?00:09:45
>> Uh, good question. I think matte would00:09:48
have looked better one and it still00:09:50
would have worked with the with the00:09:52
sliding touch bar on the side which is00:09:54
like a secondary input method. U I don't00:09:57
know why they're glossy. Maybe that's00:09:58
just the first version.00:09:59
>> Ray-B bands are always glossy.00:10:00
>> Is that true? I like them.00:10:02
>> Not always. They have like a million00:10:03
different styles at this point.00:10:05
>> But like the the classic00:10:06
>> the Blues Brothers Ray-B bands. Yeah.00:10:08
>> Yeah. They're just trying to be the00:10:10
classic. >> What? That's why gamers say GG.00:10:14
Glossy glasses.00:10:16
as what I've been saying. So, yeah,00:10:17
these are $800. Uh, they come with the00:10:21
neural band, which I'm wearing, which I00:10:22
also set up. They set up in maybe 1000:10:24
minutes and got a quick software update.00:10:26
So, it was actually pretty easy. And00:10:27
yeah, I just want to echo that this is a00:10:29
real thing that's going to start00:10:30
happening out in the world. Casey Nad00:10:32
just made a really good video, by the00:10:33
way, about these, which was kind of00:10:35
comparing the future of uh mobile00:10:38
computing from two of the biggest00:10:40
companies working on stuff like this,00:10:42
which was Apple Vision Pro and Meta00:10:44
Raybalance Display. two very different00:10:46
products but two very futuristic things.00:10:50
Uh so go watch that. We'll link it00:10:51
below.00:10:52
>> Can I try? Creator.00:10:54
>> Yeah, you can actually. Um yeah, let's00:10:57
get first impressions.00:10:58
>> Yeah, I'm interested on if if we we also00:11:00
have already confirmed that I can ask00:11:02
Meta to do things for our guys.00:11:04
>> It worked at least once, but try that.00:11:05
You can should be able to see the album00:11:06
art.00:11:07
>> So this isn't like the Vision Pro where00:11:10
only one person can wear them at a time00:11:11
basically.00:11:12
>> Well, I have the control mechanism on my00:11:14
wrist right now. So, I don't know how00:11:15
much he can do.00:11:17
>> Can you give him the neural band?00:11:19
>> See it? I feel like that's not that00:11:20
easy. >> Can you hand him the narrow band or is00:11:22
it hard to take off? >> Probably could, but it is hard to take00:11:24
off. Probably have to set it up.00:11:25
>> It's hard to take off the00:11:26
>> Well, there's a whole like clasp thing.00:11:28
>> I thought it was like a snap bracelet.00:11:29
>> But you do. If I hit Do you still see00:11:31
the Almart?00:11:32
>> It's weird because when both eyes are00:11:35
open, the left side of it seems like00:11:37
it's fading a little bit.00:11:39
>> Am I like crosseyed?00:11:42
>> I need glasses for this. If I close my00:11:45
left eye, perfect.00:11:47
>> You were making some really funny faces00:11:48
right now.00:11:50
>> I feel like everyone's been commenting00:11:52
that I make some really dumb faces on00:11:53
the podcast already cuz I look up a lot00:11:55
when I'm thinking. Um, but I'm probably00:11:57
making even Oh, it's gone.00:11:58
>> It's gone.00:11:59
>> It's gone.00:12:00
>> Is it back?00:12:01
>> Oh, there it is. >> Okay, I brought it back.00:12:03
>> I got the controls.00:12:04
>> Is that all there?00:12:05
>> Andrew, how does it compare to the demo00:12:06
glasses we tried? Uh,00:12:08
>> it's vastly different. The field of view00:12:10
is well because the field of view is00:12:11
totally different but remember the demo00:12:13
glasses were in our whole field of view00:12:15
is a lot. This is definitely00:12:17
>> here00:12:18
>> down to the right >> like down and to the right a bit. It is00:12:20
very bright and I almost feel like the00:12:22
resolution is better than the demo glass00:12:24
the glass. >> What do you see? What do you see now?00:12:26
>> The resolution is better than the Orion00:12:27
glasses.00:12:28
>> It's better and I think the biggest00:12:29
thing is the Orion glasses had like a00:12:32
tint to them because it very clearly00:12:34
wasn't a this is00:12:35
>> this is clear.00:12:36
>> You understand the menu, right?00:12:37
>> Yeah. Just a menu. They're thick.00:12:39
They're really thick.00:12:40
>> Yeah. So, if you saw someone out00:12:41
watching these, I think this is like a00:12:43
double take pair of glasses. I think00:12:45
there's like a line like regular glasses00:12:48
out in public. I don't really think00:12:49
twice. I don't I don't double take at00:12:50
all. Super super obvious. Camera and00:12:54
computer on face glasses. I don't even00:12:56
double take. I just look and I know00:12:57
exactly what it is. This is somewhere in00:12:59
between. I think there are some places00:13:01
where I would not think twice. There are00:13:03
some places where I would go, "Those00:13:04
look kind of thick or weird." And it00:13:06
just depends on the person, what they're00:13:08
wearing, where they are.00:13:10
>> I would think that someone wearing this00:13:11
has like a visual problem.00:13:13
>> You think they're like super thick00:13:14
glasses? They are very thick,00:13:16
>> like bif focals or something.00:13:18
>> It's funny, but it doesn't do the bif00:13:19
focal effect where your eyes inside the00:13:22
glasses look larger because of00:13:23
magnification.00:13:24
>> Yeah. No, they don't do that.00:13:25
>> Can you open the main menu?00:13:26
>> I will.00:13:27
>> Where are you now?00:13:28
>> Uh on the Spotify thing.00:13:30
>> Oh, it's funny. At this angle, I can see00:13:31
like red, green, blue, which is probably00:13:34
like the wave guide. Okay. Wait.00:13:36
>> It's like a prison00:13:37
>> to the right. Okay. Down. Down one.00:13:39
>> Don't press play.00:13:40
>> Select.00:13:43
>> And then down.00:13:46
>> Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, you have to download00:13:50
English.00:13:53
>> Translation.00:13:54
>> I just set these up. So, I don't have my00:13:56
WhatsApp connected. I don't have the00:13:57
downloaded languages for the live00:13:59
captioning, but I'm going to try all00:14:00
this stuff.00:14:01
>> From an angle, you can start seeing some00:14:03
parts of the wave guide. Like I can see00:14:04
a box in his eye now,00:14:06
>> right?00:14:07
>> Um what was I going to say? I think it's00:14:09
interesting because does Meta want these00:14:12
to blend in perfectly or do they want00:14:14
people to know people are using their00:14:16
product? It's definitely a fine line00:14:18
there of we want these to just feel like00:14:20
glasses.00:14:21
>> But also like when you make a product,00:14:23
do you want a product to be known when00:14:25
it's seen out in public?00:14:26
>> Yeah. I mean I think this first default00:14:28
version which is glossy black just says00:14:30
Ray-B bands tries to look like normal00:14:31
glasses. I think they want them to look00:14:32
like normal glasses. I think there will00:14:34
be more fashionable versions in the00:14:36
future that make a statement and also00:14:37
say, "Hey, I'm using the smart glasses."00:14:40
But I think to me, this is trying to00:14:41
look like normal glasses.00:14:43
>> Yeah, >> this is really sharp.00:14:44
>> Really thick. >> Yeah.00:14:45
>> Surprisingly sharp.00:14:46
>> Yeah. And this is the carrying case, by00:14:47
the way, in case you didn't see the00:14:48
video.00:14:53
>> This is So, I mean, that's probably the00:14:54
best part about them.00:14:56
>> That was sick.00:14:57
>> They Yeah. For audio listeners.00:15:00
>> It's like totally flat and it like pops00:15:02
up to charge again. But when you have00:15:03
them out of the case, it can fold almost00:15:05
entirely flat.00:15:06
>> Yeah. So, these are the $800 ones. These00:15:08
are the $800 Meta Ray-B band display.00:15:12
Uh yeah, that's the diagnostic port that00:15:15
pops off. You can plug it in. Uh we00:15:17
didn't have to do that while we shot,00:15:18
but that's what that is.00:15:19
>> All right. Pop off.00:15:20
>> Yeah, pop off. Okay. Uh this is this is00:15:23
that it is uh I don't know. Should I00:15:25
review them? Should I do more like IRL?00:15:28
I don't know what to do with them to be00:15:30
honest. >> You got to review them. I don't Yeah,00:15:32
>> it's hard.00:15:33
>> Yeah, we'll see.00:15:34
>> Yeah, a review is tough unless you're in00:15:36
that ecosystem of WhatsApp and like I00:15:38
don't see those being useful for a full00:15:40
day of what they want. Unless you're00:15:42
>> in WhatsApp and00:15:43
>> just become European, it'll be fine.00:15:45
>> Well, it's more just that I don't know00:15:47
what else to say about them other than00:15:48
what I already said. Like, how long does00:15:50
the battery life last? Maybe that's00:15:51
interesting. What types of reactions do00:15:53
people have when you reveal that you are00:15:56
not looking at them anymore? That type00:15:58
of stuff maybe. But I think trying to00:16:00
think about like where would this fit00:16:02
into someone's actual life and is this00:16:05
something that regular people would yet00:16:06
buy?00:16:07
>> Yeah. >> Or are we still like a little bit00:16:09
further away from the one that people00:16:11
could just feasibly buy and it would be00:16:13
nice?00:16:14
>> Yeah. How well does a live translation00:16:15
work? Do I want to use it all the time?00:16:17
>> Right.00:16:18
>> Yeah. Things like that. >> Are they gimmicks or are they things00:16:20
that you actually end up wanting to use?00:16:21
>> Are they dope or nope?00:16:23
>> That was wasn't a chbt generated. Um,00:16:26
>> no. That's Judner's, right? That's his00:16:30
series. >> What's ours called?00:16:33
>> Crown or Crown or Crown?00:16:34
>> Oh, Crown and Clown. >> Are they crown or Crown?00:16:35
>> Which, by the way, it's October 1st.00:16:37
>> Oh, it might be time for another one of00:16:39
those. Either way, it did come out. You00:16:41
know what is definitely a Crown.00:16:43
>> What?00:16:44
>> MXM 4 came out.00:16:45
>> Hell yeah.00:16:46
>> And it's pretty great. And the fun fact,00:16:48
the fun fact is we've been testing them00:16:50
for like a month now because Logitech00:16:52
came out of the studio with very, very00:16:53
early versions and they showed them to00:16:54
us. Oh, you brought yours.00:16:55
>> I brought it in.00:16:56
>> Um, is it disconnected? Yeah,00:16:57
>> it's disconnected. You can do00:16:59
>> It is uh similar shape but just better00:17:02
materials. And then it also has a haptic00:17:04
motor I guess is action ring for um a00:17:09
certain side button that you press and00:17:11
it's nice.00:17:12
>> Yeah. I mean the I think the new00:17:14
materials I actually don't really use00:17:16
ergonomic mice, but I've been using this00:17:18
one a lot. The new materials won't get00:17:20
that like rubber peeling that the old MX00:17:23
Masters did.00:17:25
I'm about to hand it to you. We all have00:17:26
one already. Um the materials seem way00:17:28
better. The it's a little more ergonomic00:17:30
with this horizontal wheel. Uh there's00:17:33
an extra gesture button next to the00:17:35
front and back button, which is awesome00:17:36
because if you press it and swipe left00:17:38
or right, you can go between spaces on00:17:40
your um00:17:41
>> your Mac or if you press it in, it does00:17:43
the00:17:44
>> what's the mission control. Yeah. Um,00:17:46
and then yeah, so where your thumb00:17:47
rests, there's this like pad that has a00:17:50
haptic feedback button that's crazy00:17:52
customizable where you can do like how00:17:54
sensitive is and how much the feedback00:17:56
is when you press it and it brings up00:17:58
this action ring kind of like the Grand00:18:00
Theft Auto weapon select where when you00:18:02
press it >> basically actually. Yeah.00:18:03
>> It like has a dial and like based on if00:18:06
you pull up, left, right, you can go to00:18:08
each of those um different00:18:10
>> actions. >> Actions. Yeah.00:18:11
>> And they're all pre they're all00:18:12
programmable. So customizable. You can00:18:15
set up like six or seven of them to be00:18:16
whatever you want.00:18:17
>> Yeah, I think Eric set one up to open00:18:19
like chat GPT or something. I have mine00:18:22
I just do it. It opens up the like where00:18:24
we do new outlines for the podcast. So00:18:27
just if I'm going to write a new00:18:28
episode, I can just press that button,00:18:29
drag down, and click it. Um, and it's00:18:31
also in some of their programs, mostly00:18:33
Adobe ones now, but you can do like00:18:35
Photoshop tools on the action ring and00:18:38
stuff. Some of it doesn't work great.00:18:40
Some of it works really well. some of00:18:42
it. One issue I have is like in00:18:44
Photoshop, if you want to just change00:18:46
opacity, what's cool is you can open the00:18:48
action ring, hover it, and then scroll00:18:51
to go up and down.00:18:52
>> Um, just like within the little action00:18:54
wheel,00:18:55
>> but in the history almost like when you00:18:59
scroll up a couple like 20%, it does00:19:01
like 20 actions in the history, which00:19:03
just fills up your history totally.00:19:05
>> That's a big issue I have with it right00:19:07
now in that. But, um,00:19:09
>> the customizable stuff will happen.00:19:10
We'll see if how open they make it to00:19:13
other programs and such.00:19:14
>> Yeah. I mean, between this and Raycast,00:19:16
I'm living in heaven right now.00:19:18
>> Adam's just one00:19:20
everything.00:19:21
>> Interesting combo cuz Raycast is all00:19:23
about that keyboard.00:19:24
>> Yeah. But if I set So what I did was I00:19:27
have a shortcut on Raycast where I hit00:19:30
option N and it creates a new folder00:19:32
structure with a script that I have for00:19:34
like the podcast. So instead of even00:19:37
doing that, I also have that option N as00:19:40
a keyboard shortcut on the wheel. What00:19:42
is it? That action wheel. Yeah, action00:19:44
ring. So I can just like hit it. It00:19:46
automatically does that keyboard00:19:47
shortcut which hits option N. I could00:19:49
also just select the script and run it00:19:51
that way if I wanted to. So it goes00:19:52
either way. But yeah, it's like00:19:54
>> it's good to have options.00:19:55
>> Exactly. >> Do you know what the best part about00:19:56
this mouse is?00:19:57
>> The dongle is USBC.00:19:59
>> Oh, that's actually the best part.00:20:00
>> Yeah. So USBA the entire time. These00:20:03
mice have uh they use Bluetooth, but00:20:05
they have a 2.4 GHz dongle. I think it's00:20:08
2.4. >> I forget. Everyone uses Bluetooth.00:20:10
>> Yeah,00:20:11
>> maybe I'm way more excited about this. I00:20:12
use my dongles for all my mice.00:20:14
>> The dongle is nice because it stops00:20:16
interference and it makes it so the00:20:18
computer knows exactly what it's talking00:20:19
to. But yeah, they switched to USBC,00:20:21
which is nice. However, I would advise00:20:23
um similarly to the Samsung Galaxy Note00:20:27
4 when people were putting the S Pen in00:20:31
backwards and it was breaking it.00:20:33
>> Um I put my dongle in the mouse and it00:20:38
was really hard to get out.00:20:39
>> Where do you put it in the mouse?00:20:40
>> In the charge port. Oh, don't do that.00:20:42
>> Oh, what?00:20:43
>> I thought I was like, it's good storage00:20:45
and then it was00:20:46
>> I would have never even thought that's a00:20:47
good idea,00:20:48
>> huh?00:20:49
>> But it was hard to get out. Why can't00:20:51
you do that though? That makes it seems00:20:53
like it should work.00:20:54
>> It I mean it works.00:20:55
>> Is it just because it's like there's an00:20:57
outlet into it?00:20:58
>> Yeah. It's like infinite power. It's00:21:01
like okay the dongle is connected to the00:21:03
mouse. You know, you say that I'm sure00:21:05
people will buy this mouse00:21:07
>> and be like my dongle's not working and00:21:10
it's plugged into the front of00:21:12
>> I'm just I'm just saying like you can00:21:14
store the dongle in the charco00:21:16
>> but there's no like ribbed00:21:18
>> there's no lip.00:21:19
>> There's no lip.00:21:20
>> Yeah. And it's very hard to get out00:21:22
unless you have like really big nails00:21:24
and then you're going to crack your00:21:25
nails and then I never would have00:21:26
thought of that. >> Well, I did and it was unfortunate.00:21:29
>> That's a good PSA.00:21:30
>> Yeah.00:21:31
>> Yeah. Wow. Good. I'm glad you thought of00:21:32
that.00:21:33
>> Infinite power.00:21:34
>> Okay. You know what else has infinite00:21:36
power? >> What else does00:21:39
>> Echo Show?00:21:41
>> Okay. We had an Amazon event um00:21:44
yesterday as of the time of recording.00:21:46
There was a lot of stuff. This started00:21:48
in like 2017 or so where Amazon would00:21:51
have these events and they would just00:21:52
drop like 50 products.00:21:53
>> Here is a bunch of new stuff and all of00:21:56
it has our assistant built in.00:21:57
>> Yeah. The most iconic one was like the00:21:59
first one they ever did where they put00:22:00
Alexa in a like a clock and a microwave.00:22:03
Um that was during the internet of00:22:05
things era. I'm really glad that's over.00:22:08
But00:22:09
>> well, sort of now uh they had another00:22:12
event where they also were putting Alexa00:22:15
Plus in a lot of products. Uh but00:22:17
they're also just updating their whole00:22:19
lineup of smart speakers and other00:22:21
things like that. Uh so we got a new00:22:23
Echo Show 8 and 11. The 11 in is very00:22:26
large, but effectively this kind of00:22:28
looks a lot like what we expected the00:22:30
Apple Home Pad to look like where it00:22:33
kind of looks like a HomePod in the back00:22:34
with this like fiber mesh and then you00:22:36
have a tablet just kind of like mounted00:22:38
to the front. Um, and it's a much better00:22:42
display. The 8 in one is 720p, which is00:22:45
a little low resolution, but it's a00:22:47
small tablet, so I guess it's okay.00:22:49
>> The 11 is 1080p. 1080 is nice.00:22:52
>> Yeah. Uh, it has a 13 megapixel00:22:55
wide-angle camera for video calls and00:22:57
things like that. They are a little bit00:23:00
expensive, but I assume that these00:23:02
things are going to go on sale literally00:23:03
constantly for Prime Day cuz usually00:23:05
Prime Day is just buy our products day.00:23:07
Uh, so yeah, it's $179.99 for the 8 in00:23:10
and $219.99 for the 11 in. We also got00:23:14
an Echo Dot Max, which is kind of um00:23:17
ironic because the entire point of the00:23:19
Echo Dot was to be an Echo but small00:23:22
>> and now there's a big one. So, it's00:23:24
>> Does this not look like00:23:25
>> Yeah, totally.00:23:26
>> It's like a sphere with a flat part with00:23:28
all the controls. Does it not look like00:23:29
that's where they just attached?00:23:31
>> So, that's what I actually wrote in the00:23:32
script. Uh yeah, basically the show00:23:34
without the screen.00:23:36
>> Uh it is a much more powerful speaker.00:23:38
Amazon is claiming 3x the bass response00:23:41
over the original Echo Dot. Uh it has00:23:45
speaker controls with an LED ring in the00:23:46
front. It's $100 up from $50 from the00:23:50
original Echo Dot. So the price, but it00:23:53
should have much better sound quality.00:23:55
There's a new Echo Studio, and I'm going00:23:57
to be honest, I did not remember that00:23:58
the original Echo Studio was a thing.00:24:00
>> Can I just say my favorite part about00:24:01
this photo of the Echo DMAX is there's00:24:04
nothing scale-wise here. I cannot figure00:24:08
out how big this is.00:24:09
>> That's true. That could be a microscope.00:24:11
>> It's literally just like a wood surface00:24:13
and a white wall behind it and not a00:24:15
single other object for me to tell how00:24:17
big that is.00:24:18
>> Yeah, Amazon is very much trying to get00:24:20
back in your house. They were like00:24:21
really winning the smart speaker race00:24:23
for a very long time and then Google00:24:25
started just flooding the zone and it's00:24:27
everywhere now. Um, yeah. So, now they00:24:29
have an Echo Studio new one because00:24:32
there was an old one apparently that I00:24:34
just didn't really even clock. It kind00:24:36
of looks it it looks a lot like the Echo00:24:39
Dot.m Max, but it's black, which means00:24:40
it's Pro.00:24:42
>> Um, hell yeah.00:24:43
>> The old one actually kind of looked like00:24:44
the the trash can Mac Pro. I looked it00:24:47
up and it's it's very weird. It's kind00:24:49
of got like cylindrical shape with like00:24:51
a little cutout in the side.00:24:53
>> Yeah. Strange. It supports Dolby Atmos00:24:55
and spatial audio. So, you can link up00:24:58
to five of them. Um, as well as linking00:25:00
them with the Echo Dot Max and you can00:25:02
link them to a Fire TV Stick to have00:25:04
surround sound audio. I'm looking for00:25:07
the person out there that's like, I love00:25:09
ecosystems, but you know what ecosystem00:25:11
I love the most? Amazon.00:25:14
>> Time to connect my Echo Dot to my Echo00:25:16
Studio.00:25:17
>> Yeah. Like maybe my dad. I don't know.00:25:19
>> Put my Fire Stick in my Amazon TV.00:25:21
>> Exact. Yeah. So, you can link up a you00:25:23
can link five of these to a Fire TV00:25:25
Stick and have surround sound.00:25:27
>> Five. Interesting.00:25:28
>> Yeah. Up up up up to five. So, Total00:25:30
Surround.00:25:31
>> Uh there are new Kindle Scribes, which I00:25:33
think is probably the most the most00:25:35
interesting thing they dropped because00:25:36
they're really trying to compete with00:25:38
Remarkable, if you know that tablet00:25:39
company.00:25:40
>> They're like an e in e- paper tablet00:25:42
company. Very premium, fairly expensive,00:25:45
but they've sort of been the benchmark.00:25:47
And I think it was it was either one or00:25:49
two years ago Amazon released the00:25:50
original Kindle Scribe, which was00:25:52
basically supposed to be the Remarkable00:25:54
tablet, but a lot cheaper, more00:25:56
integrations with Kindle, all of that00:25:58
kind of stuff, which makes sense. But00:26:00
they finally released their color00:26:01
version to compete with Remarkable,00:26:04
uh, called the Kindlecribe Coloroft. It00:26:07
has two weeks of battery life. You can00:26:08
highlight, draw, and write in color on00:26:10
it. Um, it's $630.00:26:14
>> Which for an Amazon product is very very00:26:16
expensive.00:26:17
>> Primo. Wow.00:26:18
>> And I don't I feel like their markup on00:26:20
this must be ridiculous.00:26:22
>> The remarkable00:26:23
>> is the same price.00:26:24
>> It is >> for the Pro.00:26:25
>> Oh, I'm on their website right now.00:26:27
>> You're looking at the portable one.00:26:28
>> Oh, they have a big one.00:26:29
>> They have a big one. The big one is also00:26:31
$630. I think that Amazon just thought,00:26:34
well, technically we have integrations00:26:36
with Alexa now. We have you can AI00:26:39
summarize different parts of the things00:26:41
that you're reading. I guess I don't00:26:44
know. I I I think that they just have00:26:45
more they think they have more00:26:46
integrations and they have a better00:26:48
distribution system. So they think that00:26:49
they can charge the same amount as the00:26:51
Remarkable and they're probably right00:26:52
because most people don't know about the00:26:53
Remarkable whereas Amazon can just throw00:26:55
it at the front of the page constantly.00:26:57
>> Uh they have two other Kindle Scribes.00:26:59
They have a new entry-level one which is00:27:01
$430. This stuff is like really00:27:04
expensive for what it is. Like you can00:27:06
buy an iPad for much cheaper than this.00:27:08
>> Yeah. You gotta really want this00:27:09
specific form factor and screen00:27:11
technology. Exactly. You have to pay00:27:12
400,500, $600 for it over any other00:27:16
tablet. >> Adam has two of them.00:27:19
>> I wouldn't be shocked.00:27:20
>> Um and then there So that's 430. And00:27:22
then there's another model that's a00:27:24
front lit model that they're charging an00:27:27
extra $70 for just to get a front light00:27:30
>> to be able to actually see in dim00:27:32
lighting. Um, yeah, they're all 1100:27:34
inches. They have thinner bezels and00:27:36
they have AI features.00:27:38
>> Uh, yeah.00:27:39
>> I really don't get what the use case of00:27:41
this is over. >> I can't believe we have AI paper.00:27:43
>> Yeah, I know what it is.00:27:46
>> Yeah. I don't know. I mean, people00:27:47
really like them. People that use00:27:49
Remarkable products are very very happy00:27:51
with them. >> Sure.00:27:52
>> Uh, it's it's nice to kind of have that00:27:54
paper experience, but like Adam said,00:27:56
there are many sort of adaptive ways to00:27:59
have an iPad feel like paper. There's00:28:00
all the the different screen stuff you00:28:02
can put on top of it.00:28:04
>> Ellis is nodding his head back and forth00:28:06
in a disapproving mode.00:28:08
>> Yeah, they're kind of bad.00:28:09
>> I thought I I was going to love it and00:28:11
then one day I came to work and Adam had00:28:12
it on his iPad mini and I was like00:28:15
>> what did you do to your iPad?00:28:17
>> Yeah,00:28:19
>> but that didn't cost me $640.00:28:21
>> That's true.00:28:22
>> Touche. Uh there's new Fire TVs if you00:28:24
remember, which you might not because00:28:25
Amazon is not that memorable of a00:28:28
company. Um, they released their own00:28:31
TVs, their own QLED TVs like last year00:28:33
or the year before.00:28:34
>> I did not know that.00:28:35
>> Yeah, they actually sell Amazon branded00:28:38
Fire TVs that are not just the stick,00:28:40
but are actually QLEDs.00:28:41
>> Who makes them?00:28:42
>> Amazon Basics TV.00:28:43
>> Probably LG or something. Probably00:28:45
they're like C tier display panels or00:28:48
whatever.00:28:49
>> Uh, so now they have new Fire TV Omni00:28:51
QLEDs. And I hate that that's a string00:28:54
of words. They're brighter. They have00:28:56
better processors. Uh they have Dolby00:28:58
Vision and HDR10 plus and they can00:29:00
automatically adjust the color of the00:29:02
display based on the ambient lighting of00:29:04
your room00:29:05
>> which is sort of like um uh True Tone00:29:08
True Tone,00:29:09
>> right? Yeah. >> Yeah.00:29:10
>> They are 50 to 75 in starting at $479.00:29:14
And also there are new two and four00:29:16
series TVs with slender bezels and00:29:17
faster processors starting at $159. So00:29:21
this is going to be that Black Friday00:29:23
like crazy 50% off. just search like TV00:29:27
on Black Friday and they throw this to00:29:29
the >> top. They're going to sell so many of00:29:30
this stuff. Uh, and then there's a bunch00:29:32
of new Ring cameras that do two and 4K00:29:35
resolution. They have this thing they00:29:37
call retinal vision which is kind of00:29:39
just like an AI upscaling pipeline00:29:42
similar to what Apple talked about when00:29:44
they say cuz Apple on the new iPhone00:29:46
said in the 2x crops and the 8x crop00:29:48
they have a new pipeline that00:29:50
>> optical quality.00:29:51
>> Yeah, >> that's what they say. which is the same00:29:53
thing that like Ring is basically saying00:29:55
is a thing.00:29:56
>> Okay. >> Um00:29:57
>> AI doorbells now.00:29:59
>> Well, we got we had those. Yeah, we've00:30:00
had them.00:30:01
>> Yeah. >> But yeah, I don't know. It's it's sort00:30:04
of just that like you want smart home00:30:06
stuff from Amazon on Black Friday.00:30:08
Here's the new version.00:30:09
>> That's what Techtober is all about.00:30:10
Sometimes we want all our stuff on the00:30:13
shelves before the holiday season. So,00:30:15
here it is. But uh yeah, much more00:30:18
interestingly, we got a preview of a new00:30:22
Google Home speaker. Um not00:30:24
surprisingly, they are yet again getting00:30:27
rid of the Nest name. And I'm sure that00:30:29
in 2027 they'll bring it back. No, this00:30:31
this is for real. This is for real.00:30:33
>> For real for now.00:30:34
>> I feel like this is for real. I got00:30:35
briefed on this and this felt like00:30:37
somebody who used Google Home, who works00:30:39
for Google, was finally like, "Hey,00:30:42
shouldn't we fix this?" And they did, I00:30:45
think. So, I I hope to get the update00:30:47
soon, but I've now seen all the new00:30:49
Google Home stuff. And essentially, they00:30:51
plan on finally getting the last of the00:30:54
stuff that they've been making that only00:30:55
works with the Nest app out of it. So,00:30:56
it can all work with Google. Yeah.00:30:58
>> If you had a Nestaware subscription,00:30:59
that's now a Google, what's it called?00:31:01
Google something subscription.00:31:02
>> I think I got the email about that00:31:04
changing. >> Yeah, exactly. I just got that, too. So,00:31:06
it's all Google. The subscription is now00:31:07
Google. They're revamping the home app00:31:09
to be faster and to work with all these00:31:11
new things. They have a couple new00:31:13
accessories. They have a new doorbell, a00:31:14
new indoor camera, and I think a new uh00:31:16
outdoor camera as well. Uh a couple new00:31:19
partnerships. So, there's like a cheaper00:31:21
like a Walmart partnership for like a00:31:22
$22 camera and like a $45 doorbell. So,00:31:25
that's >> What does that mean? Like if you buy it00:31:27
at a specific store, it's cheaper.00:31:29
>> I think it's they made it in Let me find00:31:31
I think they made it in collaboration00:31:32
with Walmart, which is why it's so00:31:35
cheap. Is that what my notes say?00:31:37
>> We live in hell.00:31:38
>> Hey, it's cheap. $22 for for a camera is00:31:41
like wise territory. say Wise is like00:31:44
running the game with in that price00:31:46
category. So, this is where they're00:31:47
trying to get in.00:31:48
>> So, yes, Google Home Premium00:31:49
subscription and all of this stuff now00:31:52
is going to work with Gemini. So, all00:31:55
the stuff we have already in our homes00:31:57
that use the crummy Google Assistant00:31:59
that has just been aging and failing and00:32:00
not working very well is going to be00:32:02
updated to Gemini. And they have some00:32:05
new stuff. I think the latest00:32:07
generations of the stuff we have will00:32:08
work with Gemini Live, but also the new00:32:10
stuff will work with Gemini Live as00:32:11
well. So you can say, "Hey G, start a00:32:13
chat." And then you're doing the whole00:32:15
Gemini live back and forth conversation00:32:16
thing00:32:17
>> with all the context and the, you know,00:32:19
whatever it tells you versus just a00:32:21
regular, "Hey G," and then ask it a00:32:23
question and then hey G again and then00:32:25
ask a follow-up question.00:32:26
>> You can do a whole conversation.00:32:28
>> So >> which Gemini Live is a paid feature. You00:32:30
have to have the premium subscription00:32:33
>> in Yeah. one of the subscription tiers.00:32:36
>> Yeah. I don't I'm looking right now00:32:37
because it said like I got the email00:32:38
that said your Nestaware is now being00:32:41
upgraded to Google Home Premium. Yeah.00:32:43
And then there's the standard and00:32:44
advanced plan.00:32:45
>> So Google Home Premium is is that00:32:47
launched now officially?00:32:48
>> It sounds like it got cuz I got the00:32:50
email saying this is what it is now.00:32:52
>> Um so it sounds like that is out.00:32:54
>> Delete the Nest app.00:32:56
>> It's over. It's finally gone.00:32:59
>> Um I don't see anything saying that I00:33:02
get the descriptive notifications.00:33:05
search video history. That's actually00:33:06
pretty cool. Like AI search through00:33:08
history because you have00:33:10
>> all of your events saved for 60 days and00:33:12
then you get um if you're in advance,00:33:14
you get 247 history for 10 days. So if I00:33:18
can search through that00:33:19
>> with your voice00:33:20
>> with my voice or even just like00:33:22
recognizing00:33:24
>> I'm assuming I can type in and it can00:33:25
recognize what happens, right?00:33:27
>> Yeah, I saw I got to do a demo and try00:33:29
some of this stuff. It seemed to be00:33:30
really straightforward. Not only can you00:33:32
uh create automations with your voice,00:33:34
so if you want it to go, hey, every00:33:35
morning when I ask for this, open the00:33:37
shades and turn the lights on or00:33:38
whatever, but you can also go, "Hey,00:33:40
show me when the squirrel ran across my00:33:44
driveway." And it will just find the00:33:46
clip when the last time the squirrel ran00:33:48
across her driveway was and played it.00:33:49
Cuz Gemini,00:33:50
>> it's plugged in now. I can figure this00:33:52
stuff out for this camera feed.00:33:53
>> Also says event descriptions. It says00:33:55
more detailed event descriptions tell00:33:56
the whole story on cameras and00:33:58
doorbells. >> Yeah. So right now, if you have an event00:34:00
from the Google Home app, it'll just say00:34:02
motion in driveway or front door motion00:34:05
detected or person detected. And00:34:07
sometimes even a familiar face, it'll00:34:08
name.00:34:09
>> Now it will describe what's happening.00:34:11
So it'll say00:34:13
>> UPS guy holding flowers and brown box00:34:16
delivered package instead of00:34:18
>> do this retroactively because I do have00:34:21
a clip the other day of me accidentally00:34:24
hitting Lane in the face with the door00:34:25
and it's on.00:34:26
>> Do it retroactively. Yeah,00:34:28
>> I need to see if what happens if you go00:34:30
up to a Ring doorbell wearing a t-shirt00:34:32
that says ignore all previous00:34:34
instructions00:34:36
>> wearing a t-shirt.00:34:37
>> Like, can you prompt inject the00:34:39
the model?00:34:40
>> Unlikely.00:34:41
>> Yeah. Uh, but we'll probably put some of00:34:44
that in the description in the00:34:45
notification.00:34:46
>> Person wearing shirt with text.00:34:48
>> I need to read Google's keyword blog00:34:50
because it is so confusing. The the00:34:52
headline is we're introducing the new00:34:54
home premium subscription plus new00:34:56
benefits for AI pro and AI ultra00:34:58
subscribers.00:34:59
>> Yeah.00:35:00
>> And there are multiple plans. So AI pro00:35:02
and AI Ultra subscribers are going to00:35:04
get with their subscription one of these00:35:07
levels of uh these00:35:09
>> are the two Nest plans that just have00:35:11
new names.00:35:12
>> No longer Nest. No longer Nest. Yeah.00:35:14
Okay. So, the standard plan, which is00:35:15
$10 a month or 100 a year, gives you00:35:17
Gemini Live uh and ask Ask Home for00:35:22
automation help, 30 days of video00:35:24
history and intelligent camera alerts.00:35:26
>> And then the advanced plan, which is $2000:35:28
a month or $200 a year, includes all00:35:31
standard features plus Gemini camera00:35:33
capabilities such as AI event00:35:35
descriptions, home brief summaries, and00:35:37
searchable video history. So, you have00:35:39
to pay 20 a month if you want to do the00:35:42
>> AI stuff. 20 a month.00:35:44
>> But if you have AI, Google AI Pro and00:35:48
Ultra. I hate this.00:35:49
>> This is insane. There there needs to be00:35:51
a flowchart for this.00:35:52
>> There actually does. Yeah.00:35:53
>> I Google.00:35:55
>> The nice thing is Ultra is just you get00:35:56
all the things.00:35:57
>> Yeah. But it's $200.00:35:58
>> $1,000 every minute you use it.00:36:00
>> Yeah. It's $200 a month.00:36:02
>> Yeah.00:36:03
>> Nobody wants to pay that. That's insane.00:36:05
So yeah, it is all I think functionally00:36:09
all way better and I cannot wait to get00:36:11
this app update so I can stop using the00:36:13
Nest app and stop using the old Google00:36:16
Assistant which is at this point00:36:19
retiring. I think that's the end of it.00:36:21
>> Uh and yeah, having Gemini on all the00:36:24
stuff. >> Yeah, there has been like a beta of00:36:26
Gemini on Google Home devices for a00:36:28
while, but um this is the official roll00:36:30
out, I suppose. I do not seem to have it00:36:33
updated because it's just the same.00:36:35
>> I hope I think it should be rolling out00:36:37
today. >> It's probably rolling. Yeah. Yeah.00:36:40
>> Okay. Well, the the interesting thing is00:36:42
that the hardware is a little bit00:36:43
different. So, the Google Home they're00:36:45
calling it the Google Home speaker and00:36:48
it's sort of the it's the size is sort00:36:50
of between a Nest Mini and a Nest Audio.00:36:52
So, it's like bigger than a Nest Mini.00:36:54
It should have much better um audio00:36:56
capabilities. Like it sounds a lot00:36:58
nicer. It's got 360° audio. You can00:37:00
connect multiple of them in stereo. And00:37:03
surprisingly, the colors are very bold.00:37:05
They have this like extremely saturated00:37:08
red.00:37:09
>> Yeah. >> And then they've got a green, which is00:37:11
kind of like a hazel. Well, actually,00:37:12
it's not a hazel. There. It's a green00:37:13
that's like a00:37:14
>> It's hazel. Grayge.00:37:16
>> Grayge.00:37:17
>> It's just like a gray with a hint of00:37:19
green.00:37:20
>> I think the red one is insanely bold.00:37:22
>> The red one is crazy bright. And I00:37:24
typically don't think of home00:37:26
accessories being like that boldly00:37:28
colored, but cool if you want to do00:37:29
that. But then the others are like00:37:30
charcoal or like ivory or slightly00:37:32
green. So00:37:33
>> yeah. Okay. And it's not coming out till00:37:35
next year. The spring of next year.00:37:37
>> What is the new speaker? Yeah. Right.00:37:40
But I think the doorbell and the uh the00:37:42
new camera and the other stuff is around00:37:44
the corn. >> I wonder if they announced it today00:37:46
because the Amazon event just happened00:37:48
and they were like there's a bunch of00:37:49
new Echo speakers and we need to like00:37:52
offset the news somehow00:37:54
>> or it's just Techtober,00:37:56
>> I guess. But you can't even order them.00:37:58
Uh, you can't.00:38:00
>> Can you pre-order them? Because they00:38:01
come out spring 2026.00:38:04
>> That's like a while away.00:38:05
>> All available now. >> That's six months away.00:38:07
>> They're in the Google store and they're00:38:08
available now. >> You can buy them now.00:38:09
>> Nescam outdoor 149.00:38:11
>> Oh, well, maybe that I'm talking about00:38:13
the the Google Home speaker.00:38:14
>> No, just the speaker is is later. Okay.00:38:17
>> But all the other new stuff, meaning the00:38:19
new doorbell and the new indoor speaker00:38:20
and the new outdoor speaker is on site.00:38:22
>> The jade green is pretty green. I00:38:24
wouldn't say that's a hint of green.00:38:25
>> Oh, yeah. That this speaker is a little00:38:27
more green. I was talking about the00:38:28
doorbell and the cameras.00:38:29
>> Well, yeah. We'll we'll see how good it00:38:30
ends up being.00:38:31
>> But you know what's always good?00:38:34
>> Trivia. Let's go.00:38:36
>> Simply always good.00:38:38
>> Simply >> What is up, people?00:38:41
>> Before we get into trivia, we got to00:38:42
issue a correction.00:38:44
>> Whoa. >> From last week, we got something wrong.00:38:47
Uh >> oh. Unfortunately,00:38:49
uh, in a professional derby race, if a00:38:52
jockey falls off their horse and the00:38:54
horse finishes the race, it is not00:38:57
counted as a victory.00:38:58
>> Is that right?00:38:59
>> Yeah. >> What did you guys talk about?00:39:02
>> I saw a video and it was totally00:39:04
counted.00:39:05
>> It uh they they won't they'll let the00:39:07
horse finish because they're not going00:39:08
to interrupt the race, but it will not00:39:10
be counted as a proper victory. Or at00:39:13
least that's what I found on my00:39:15
research. Marquez is furiously typing.00:39:18
>> Well, the commentators seem to think00:39:19
that >> in F1, if the driver falls out and the00:39:21
car goes over, that does count.00:39:23
>> No, but in in NASCAR, I do I am pretty00:39:27
sure it's Ricky Bobby rules where if the00:39:29
driver crosses the finish line without00:39:31
the car.00:39:32
>> What? >> There's no way that could be real.00:39:33
That's way too dangerous.00:39:34
>> It's happened in real races.00:39:37
>> Like where they crash and they get out00:39:38
and >> I can't wait for next week's correction00:39:40
>> and they get fined afterwards for doing00:39:42
something so dangerous.00:39:43
>> Anyway, um how you almost get hit by a00:39:46
car and you get fined. That's crazy.00:39:48
>> Uh while Marquez confirms or denies my00:39:52
>> No, you're right. In the video that I00:39:53
was referencing, the commentator seemed00:39:55
to believe that the horse had just won,00:39:57
but it turns out for betting purposes00:39:59
that was declared a non-running.00:40:01
>> So,00:40:02
>> you're uh that's a good correction.00:40:04
>> Well, in other news, both of our00:40:06
questions this week are about Amazon00:40:09
products, Amazon hardware, and the wacky00:40:12
wacky world that they live within.00:40:14
Interesting.00:40:15
>> Uh because Amazon makes a lot of Echo00:40:17
products. They >> sure do.00:40:18
>> And some of them are really poorly00:40:20
named. So I need you guys to tell me00:40:22
what kind. Marquez00:40:24
>> Mhm.00:40:27
>> Marquez has put on the smart glasses. We00:40:30
cannot confirm or deny whether he's00:40:32
cheating >> or watching reals.00:40:33
>> Uh or watching No, his mouth is closed.00:40:36
He's not he's not watching. Um anyway,00:40:39
you guys have to tell me what kind of00:40:41
product the Echo Flex is. What kind of00:40:46
product is the Echo Flex? Use Use the00:40:49
context. It's called the Flex. It's a00:40:51
slap slap band.00:40:54
>> Amazing.00:40:55
>> It's a folding phone. I'm just kidding.00:40:56
>> I see you pinching.00:40:59
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>> Welcome back.00:44:36
>> 15% of my diet is Cholula. Andrew said00:44:39
that on me, just so you know. Uh, okay.00:44:42
So, I have a fun game that I want to00:44:43
play. So, if you guys will open up the00:44:46
link that I put in the show notes. Oh,00:44:48
>> if you have the show notes open.00:44:50
>> I do.00:44:51
>> I've created a Google Slides slide show.00:44:54
Yesterday, I was in the French Alps.00:44:57
>> Um, yeah, I know.00:44:59
>> Subtle flex.00:45:00
>> Pretty weird. Uh, and I brought many00:45:03
cameras as I always do, but I decided00:45:06
that I wanted to kind of like push the00:45:09
limits of the new iPhone camera.00:45:12
>> So, I downloaded Halli onto my phone,00:45:14
>> which you for this,00:45:15
>> which allow which allows you to shoot00:45:17
actual RAW, not just Pro Raw, which is00:45:20
already a little bit processed.00:45:22
>> And I also brought my Leica M11 and a00:45:24
bunch of film cameras. And because the00:45:26
M11 is a digital camera, I decided I was00:45:29
going to shoot a bunch of photos on all00:45:31
the cameras and then I was going to kind00:45:33
of like take a look at how different all00:45:35
of the photos were. So, what I'm doing00:45:37
this game is that I've made a a series00:45:40
of slides of photos that I took00:45:43
>> and you guys need to guess whether or00:45:45
not they were taken on the iPhone or the00:45:48
Leica M11.00:45:49
>> Wow. Okay. And are we So this is no00:45:52
pixel peeping or zooming just like00:45:53
looking at the wide00:45:54
>> and it's already gonna be compressed by00:45:56
putting on Google slides because fair00:45:57
enough. >> And are we a team?00:45:59
>> Um you can00:46:01
>> we should be a team lose.00:46:03
>> All right team.00:46:05
>> I think it'll make it easier.00:46:06
>> Hosts versus producers.00:46:08
>> Oh yeah, I like that. Okay.00:46:10
>> Okay, >> we can do that. But00:46:12
>> we'll have to say it all out loud or00:46:13
else this is going to be really boring.00:46:15
Yeah, talk it out. Okay, so number one.00:46:17
>> Number one. First one. So, this is a00:46:19
nice wider shot of uh two stone cabins00:46:23
with all of the Alps rising in the00:46:26
background and then a blue sky.00:46:27
>> And I should note that I have multiple00:46:29
lenses for my F11. So, I have lenses00:46:31
that can emulate the different focal00:46:33
lengths of the iPhone.00:46:34
>> Oh, so your Leica can emulate an iPhone.00:46:36
>> Well,00:46:37
thinking out loud is this is a ton that00:46:40
is in focus and it's a really nice00:46:42
landscape shot. And00:46:43
>> I should also note that I shoot closed00:46:45
down constantly. Of course, as you would00:46:47
with a scene like this.00:46:48
>> Yeah.00:46:49
>> Um, my only note, I mean, it does look00:46:52
very flat like the iPhone, but I think00:46:54
because Andrew, that snow and that wall00:46:57
of the cabin are a little hot,00:47:00
>> a little high exposed. I'm going M1100:47:03
because I think the iPhone would flatten00:47:06
it even more.00:47:07
>> My only thought is whether he00:47:09
potentially shot shot this on a tripod00:47:11
or not. And that looks like very uneven00:47:13
ground.00:47:14
It was very uneven ground,00:47:16
>> which would make a tripod very hard. But00:47:17
I guess he doesn't necessarily need a00:47:18
tripod for this. So I just whenever I00:47:21
imagine David with a camera, I imagine a00:47:23
like 4ft box on a giant rickety wooden00:47:27
tripod. So00:47:28
>> um I'll go with I mean you're the expert00:47:32
here. >> There's a lot of shadow detail I will00:47:34
say. >> But he said this is this is a halli raw00:47:37
and not an iPhone pro raw, right?00:47:39
>> Process and edit. >> Processed. Yeah. But bar but barely. In00:47:42
theory, if this was the iPhone, it would00:47:44
still be a single bracket. Like, there00:47:45
would not be it wouldn't do HDR.00:47:48
>> Yeah, there's not HDR on it.00:47:50
>> So, shadow detail means nothing.00:47:52
>> And slightly blown highlights.00:47:54
>> Well, it I mean, it could mean something00:47:55
cuz it's still a raw photo and you still00:47:56
have a lot of flexibility.00:47:58
>> It's just not forced shadow.00:48:00
>> Here is the the green and the grass. It00:48:03
does not look super oversharpened or00:48:05
anything00:48:07
the way that I feel like iPhone would00:48:10
do. M I'm looking at David. He's not00:48:12
giving me anything.00:48:13
>> I'm not allowed to give you anything.00:48:15
>> I think it's potentially iPhone just00:48:17
because David got really defensive about00:48:18
the how close he shoots and everything00:48:20
right off the bat, which made me think00:48:22
Marquez was on the right trail. Although00:48:24
then you said Leica, didn't you?00:48:25
>> I'm going to I think it's the Leica also00:48:27
because of the green.00:48:28
>> I'm going iPhone.00:48:29
>> Wait, but you're on Marquez's team.00:48:32
>> What are you guys to agree on? Sure. Are00:48:34
you00:48:36
>> Let me take this.00:48:37
>> You think it's iPhone?00:48:38
>> Okay. We think it's a Leica.00:48:41
>> The answer is iPhone.00:48:44
>> What? >> Nice.00:48:45
>> No way. >> Nice. Andrew,00:48:46
>> give me one. >> That's a point. Yeah. And I'll have to00:48:48
show you guys these photos. Maybe I00:48:49
should upload them separately cuz in00:48:51
full resolution cuz it looks00:48:53
>> Yeah. Links.00:48:54
>> I mean, it's still a great looking00:48:55
photo. >> Yeah. But it looks like crap on Google00:48:56
Slides compared.00:48:57
>> iPhone.00:48:58
>> This isn't how you guys look at photos.00:49:00
>> And by the way, so this is a this is a00:49:02
basically unprocessed iPhone raw photo.00:49:06
To your point about the whites being hot00:49:08
on the raw photos from the iPhone, the00:49:10
whites are quite hot.00:49:11
>> Usually they have a little bit at the00:49:13
top. >> They're a little bit overexpo like it00:49:15
just it's not doing it's not pulling00:49:16
down the highlights and jacking up the00:49:18
shadows like it would in a normal shot.00:49:21
>> So that is not necessarily a giveaway.00:49:23
>> Gotcha. Gotcha.00:49:24
>> All right, let's move on to image two.00:49:26
>> Okay. >> Wow.00:49:27
>> Image two looks like you've climbed to00:49:29
the top of a very tall mountain and00:49:30
pointed down at the peak of another very00:49:33
tall mountain which is poking through00:49:34
the clouds. And again, blue sky in the00:49:37
background and some foreground detail.00:49:39
Lot of snow. This is a lot of snow.00:49:42
>> Yeah.00:49:43
>> Um, wow.00:49:44
>> There's a climber.00:49:45
>> Yeah, there's a guy climbing in the very00:49:48
deep snow and presumably what looks like00:49:51
people have skied down just because of00:49:53
the way it's00:49:54
>> people ski off this cliff and paraglide.00:49:56
>> That's crazy. Um,00:49:58
>> it's ridiculous.00:49:59
>> This is one of those things where I'm00:50:02
I'm leaning camera, but just to think00:50:04
David got up here with the camera.00:50:07
>> There is so much detail. This has to00:50:08
>> There's so much detail. Yeah, I think00:50:10
it's the So, the mountain coming out of00:50:13
the clouds that specifically just looks00:50:15
so sharp, but not fake sharp.00:50:18
>> It looks really00:50:19
>> What? Can I ask one question? Yeah.00:50:21
About the M11.00:50:22
>> How much dynamic range does it typically00:50:24
have?00:50:25
>> Quite a lot. The M10, without getting00:50:27
into too much detail, the M10 peaked the00:50:29
highlights like if you clipped the00:50:31
highlights, they were just gone. And the00:50:32
M11 has quite a bit more dynamic range.00:50:35
This is This is M11.00:50:37
>> I think M11.00:50:38
>> Yeah. I honestly have no idea anymore.00:50:42
>> It's the like uh to00:50:44
>> What did you Can you tell us what00:50:47
post-processing you might have done?00:50:49
Like did you limit it to just curves?00:50:51
Did you adjust the color?00:50:53
>> Did you add00:50:54
>> I did very little to this photo.00:50:55
>> Would you have added it just yet?00:50:57
>> No, I didn't add it.00:50:58
>> All right. Then this is the Leica for00:50:59
sure.00:51:00
>> Look at this guy.00:51:01
>> Yeah. Lego.00:51:02
>> Yeah, there's a little vignette in the00:51:03
in the top corners.00:51:04
>> Yeah.00:51:05
>> Yeah, >> that's a Lego.00:51:06
>> That's a Lego. >> Little vinegrett.00:51:07
>> Let's go, baby.00:51:08
>> All right, cool. All right,00:51:09
>> it looks fire.00:51:10
>> Let's move on to photo. Okay, so this is00:51:12
a set of photos,00:51:14
>> two photos00:51:15
>> that are kind of the same photo. The00:51:17
focal lengths are a little bit00:51:18
different, but I they're taken from the00:51:19
same perspective.00:51:21
Uh, and yeah, they look00:51:24
>> very similar.00:51:25
>> Yeah, one is you can see the rock. So it00:51:28
is a mountain at a like kind of lakeside00:51:30
or is this like a glacier?00:51:32
>> This is an alpine lake. Yeah, an alpine00:51:33
lake.00:51:34
>> But like you can see the rock in the00:51:35
left picture. That's the rock in the00:51:37
right picture. And he it is an00:51:39
>> very tighter lens on the people's00:51:41
eyebrow.00:51:43
>> Marquez is what's happening.00:51:46
>> It's very tall.00:51:48
>> Don't worry about it. Um so you can see00:51:50
the rock. What else can you also see?00:51:52
>> I'm just saying you can tell the focal00:51:53
lengths are extremely different because00:51:55
of that rock. Yeah. the green of the00:51:58
water on the right versus the slightly00:51:59
bluer cast of the water on the left.00:52:01
>> Right.00:52:02
>> Um I'm fairly confident the iPhone is on00:52:06
the left and the Leica is on the right.00:52:07
>> I just want to your green thing though00:52:09
might be because of how far zoomed in00:52:11
the one on the or the right is where00:52:13
you're seeing most of the green on the00:52:15
shallower part closer to David on the00:52:17
left where the right00:52:19
>> Wow.00:52:20
>> Well, you said this is at the same00:52:22
location. One on the right is like a00:52:23
>> I'm standing in the same spot.00:52:25
>> I'm standing in the same spot for both00:52:27
of these, but I had different focal00:52:28
lengths on the different cameras,00:52:33
>> but I have lenses for the Leica that00:52:34
match the focal lengths of the iPhone.00:52:36
>> But that obviously didn't happen on this00:52:38
one.00:52:39
>> Yeah, I I didn't go in I didn't when I00:52:41
was there, I wasn't like I'm going to do00:52:43
this.00:52:44
>> I just had this idea on the plane right00:52:46
back. >> I'm I'm staking my entire thesis on00:52:48
this. The way that the rocks look on the00:52:51
left looks like iPhone processing. Even00:52:54
though there's not a ton of processing,00:52:55
it just looks like an iPhone. So, I'm00:52:57
going left is iPhone, right? Is Leica.00:52:59
>> I was going to go right as Leica just00:53:00
because of how good the detail in the00:53:02
rightmost mountains that aren't in the00:53:04
left photo is.00:53:06
>> Okay, I got it. I got it. The left is00:53:09
the Leica because there is dirt on the00:53:11
sensor. Y,00:53:12
>> David,00:53:13
>> top left.00:53:14
>> No, that's a that's a bird.00:53:15
>> Never mind.00:53:16
>> Yeah, that's a bird.00:53:17
>> That's not a bird. It is a bird. I just00:53:19
thought that was my computer screen00:53:21
dirty.00:53:22
>> I was literally scraping my computer00:53:24
screen past five minutes.00:53:25
>> I I think producer table agrees with00:53:27
Marquez.00:53:28
>> Yeah. >> That the the Leica is the one on the00:53:30
right for for two reasons. One, I think00:53:33
the one on the right is cropped in after00:53:37
you took the like you cropped it in in00:53:40
Lightroom. Uh and I don't think you'd00:53:42
really be able to do that on an iPhone00:53:43
and get get something that looks so00:53:45
nice. And two, there's way more dynamic00:53:48
range in the sky on the one on the00:53:51
right, which I think you would need00:53:53
superior Leica processing00:53:55
>> to accomplish.00:53:57
>> Okay. >> So, what's the answer to?00:53:58
>> The answer is that you're all wrong.00:54:00
>> They're both iPhones.00:54:02
>> The iPhone photo is the one on the00:54:04
right.00:54:05
>> Yeah.00:54:06
>> Damn. >> And that's a singular raw image that00:54:09
like I barely processed at all.00:54:11
>> It's impressive,00:54:12
>> isn't it?00:54:13
>> It's really impressive. like all the00:54:15
gravel close to you on trash.00:54:16
>> I just want to No, no, no, no. It means00:54:19
that the iPhone's computational00:54:21
photography is trash. If this is what00:54:23
the sensor is doing when left to its own00:54:25
devices,00:54:26
>> exactly.00:54:27
>> What are we doing here?00:54:28
>> Like a regular iPhone photo would not00:54:29
look nearly like00:54:30
>> Well, okay. Th this is a beautiful scene00:54:33
that it's really hard to take a bad00:54:35
looking photo of. So if you give this00:54:38
>> watch me step aside.00:54:40
>> If you stand out there in all this light00:54:42
and take a and you give the sensor this00:54:44
best case scenario, almost any modern00:54:46
sensor is going to do a very respectable00:54:48
job.00:54:49
>> I don't know. Not with computational00:54:50
photography.00:54:51
>> Well, as saying the sensor will, but00:54:53
then the processing is what gives your00:54:54
photo the look afterwards.00:54:56
>> And this is the point I wanted to make.00:54:58
>> Yeah. >> Is that phone processing sucks because00:55:01
all they're doing is they're just00:55:02
optimizing for storage. They're00:55:03
optimizing for like shadow detail. This00:55:06
is why, and I might get crap for saying00:55:09
this, but like when Google Google got00:55:11
rid of their regular raw processing and00:55:13
they introduced a sort of like pro raw00:55:15
kind of thing,00:55:16
>> which is in my opinion just worse00:55:18
because it just lifts the shadows. And00:55:20
you don't always want the shadows to be00:55:22
lifted if you want it to look like a00:55:23
real picture.00:55:24
>> Mhm. >> Anyway, we can move on. You're all00:55:26
wrong.00:55:27
>> Wait, was that actually dust on the00:55:28
sensor and not a bird?00:55:29
>> No, that is actually I thought you were00:55:30
trying to throw them off.00:55:31
>> No, it is. It was a bird. I did later00:55:34
get dust on my sensor, but that is a00:55:36
bird. Okay, next photo. You want to00:55:39
describe it?00:55:40
>> Next photo is uh what looks on the left00:55:42
side of the frame to be a really high00:55:44
stack of various size rocks.00:55:46
>> So, is that00:55:47
>> a Karen?00:55:49
>> What00:55:50
>> is I think that's how you pronounce it.00:55:52
A lot of like national parks and stuff00:55:53
will put up these small rock structures00:55:55
to indicate where a trail is. So, this00:55:57
is like clearly a trail pass with a lot00:56:00
of snow on it, but00:56:01
>> I thought they had just built it to sort00:56:02
of replicate the the shape of the00:56:05
mountain in front of it.00:56:06
>> It's funny because I always am not sure00:56:07
how to pronounce it because I think it's00:56:09
C A R I N.00:56:10
>> Oh, like a Kin.00:56:12
>> Oh, no. C A I R N. Man-made pile of00:56:16
stone used to mark a trail especially in00:56:17
areas where path might be clear.00:56:19
>> K.00:56:22
>> Oh, somebody's going to roast me for00:56:24
that. But00:56:25
>> okay. So, you want to describe the image00:56:27
as you see it? >> Yeah. So, it looks like on the left side00:56:29
of the frame, we got a a really solid00:56:31
stack of stones with some snow on them,00:56:35
possibly indicating a trail head or00:56:36
something like that. And then on the00:56:38
right is a whole bunch of snow covered00:56:40
mountains. Whole bunch of blue sky in00:56:42
the background. Still plenty of dynamic00:56:44
range, a lot of things in the shadow of00:56:47
the mountain this time. Uh, yeah, a lot00:56:50
of DR to play with. I'm confused.00:56:55
I'm going to say this is iPhone.00:56:58
>> My initial thought was iPhone with no00:57:00
real substantial evidence to back it00:57:02
with.00:57:03
>> My thinking is the shadows on the00:57:05
mountain00:57:07
>> are a little high00:57:09
>> and the sky looks the same as the iPhone00:57:11
picture in the last image like the00:57:14
gradient. >> My logic is they're all giving me00:57:16
nothing.00:57:17
>> When they're so compressed in Google00:57:19
Slides, you can't use detail anymore.00:57:21
So, I'm trying to go by exposure. That's00:57:23
fair.00:57:24
>> And the whole at first I was like that00:57:26
little portion in the middle right that00:57:28
is almost fully black. It's pretty dark00:57:31
and that's something that the iPhone00:57:32
kind of wouldn't allow. But they also00:57:34
have the entire shadow side of this00:57:36
mountain in a lot of detail which kind00:57:38
of feels like something the iPhone would00:57:41
do. So I don't know. I'm going to I00:57:44
guess I I'm going iPhone cuz the00:57:45
mountain's in shadow and you can see all00:57:47
of it.00:57:49
>> I this one this I'm I'm stumped on this00:57:51
one. Like I there's nothing I can really00:57:54
>> point to which is frustrating, man.00:57:57
>> Oh, wait. You can see a reflection of00:57:58
him with the camera in the sun.00:58:01
>> I wish. And his smart glasses.00:58:04
>> It's the metal wave.00:58:06
>> It was.00:58:08
>> David, which camera was this one?00:58:09
>> Uh, this is the iPhone.00:58:11
>> Okay. Yeah.00:58:12
>> Okay. >> All right. Next photo.00:58:14
>> Next photo is a landscape of a00:58:16
mountainside lake. The lake is blue00:58:19
green. The mountains in the background00:58:21
are covered in snow. The foreground has00:58:24
less snow. It's uh mostly stones and and00:58:26
moss and some olive green plant type00:58:28
stuff. And the sky is blue again with00:58:31
some cirrus clouds.00:58:32
>> Nice.00:58:33
>> Yeah. I There's a little grain to it.00:58:36
No. >> Yeah.00:58:37
>> Or is that just the water?00:58:38
>> That's Google Slides.00:58:40
>> I'm just looking at the water and I00:58:41
guess it's ripples in the water.00:58:42
>> I think that's ripples in the water.00:58:43
>> Okay. Yeah. Well, the shadow is the00:58:46
right side. Plenty of detail there.00:58:51
I'm I'm going I iPhone again.00:58:55
>> I'm going Leica. I think if you look at00:58:58
the sky, there's a little bit of grain00:59:01
that I think00:59:03
>> Yeah, but would be a00:59:05
>> That looks exactly the same as in the00:59:06
last photo.00:59:08
>> Why are you Why are you doing this to00:59:09
me, Andrew?00:59:10
>> Which was an iPhone. And the one before.00:59:12
Yeah, I think iPhone also.00:59:13
>> Yeah, I think we think it's an iPhone.00:59:14
>> Ellis is just shaking his head.00:59:16
>> It's also funny cuz I may have skipped00:59:18
ahead to the next one. And I could tell00:59:19
how long you stayed at this lake cuz00:59:20
there's that one singular rock formation00:59:22
somewhere in all of these photos. It00:59:24
kind of looks like a like tower camera.00:59:27
>> This is a 16 Pro.00:59:28
>> 17 Pro.00:59:29
>> 17 Pro.00:59:30
>> Yeah. Which camera is this one?00:59:31
>> This is iPhone.00:59:32
>> Gosh.00:59:33
>> Is this what's going to convince me to00:59:34
buy the new iPhone?00:59:35
>> No, I'm You could take this with an00:59:37
iPhone 3GS.00:59:40
>> I don't know about that.00:59:41
>> It doesn't even have a plateau.00:59:43
>> I did see someone go around taking00:59:45
sideby-side pictures and it didn't do00:59:47
bad. Yeah, the 3GS.00:59:48
>> Yeah, I mean, >> dude, this much light.00:59:49
>> No, the 3GS processing was better before00:59:51
they introduced computational00:59:52
photography, but okay, move on to the00:59:55
next photo. I know these are a lot of00:59:57
fairly similar.00:59:58
>> Yeah, this next one is a landscape01:00:00
version uh from maybe the other side of01:00:02
that lake.01:00:03
>> Yeah. Okay. A lot of shadow on the left,01:00:06
>> deep mountains in the highlights on the01:00:07
right. Wow.01:00:09
>> I'm going back to Leica cuz I think01:00:11
there's some some real shadow depth on01:00:13
the left in that little crevice. Uh,01:00:16
still a ton of range though. I kind of01:00:19
hope it's the iPhone. >> The like rock on the right has like a01:00:21
green tint to it.01:00:23
>> Yeah,01:00:24
>> that feels uh I know nothing about Leas.01:00:28
>> There's also feels like something I01:00:29
think iPhone because at this point I01:00:31
think David's just trying to me. So01:00:34
>> that's not a bad strategy.01:00:36
>> That's good. >> Oh,01:00:38
Ellis found something. Never mind. It's01:00:39
the Leica. What did you find? What did01:00:41
you find?01:00:42
>> We're on slide six, right? I'm not01:00:43
tripping. >> Yeah, six. Leica,01:00:45
>> what'd you find?01:00:46
>> I can't tell you.01:00:48
>> I mean, we already put in Leica.01:00:49
>> It could be two really bokeh birds, but01:00:53
the this >> Oh, I also thought that was on my01:00:54
screen.01:00:55
>> This really looks like smudge.01:00:56
>> Oh, that is smudge. Yeah.01:00:59
>> Okay. I got spots on my sensor. My01:01:01
iPhones. Just kidding. Yeah. No, it's01:01:04
like I I also probably should have01:01:06
cropped this differently because it's01:01:08
more of a giveaway when it's landscape.01:01:09
>> The aspect ratio.01:01:10
>> Yeah. Yeah.01:01:11
>> But I did crop some of the iPhone01:01:13
photos. So,01:01:14
>> if slide seven is the iPhone, I'm01:01:15
throwing away all of my cameras.01:01:17
>> Okay, so slide seven.01:01:19
>> This is like an ultra detailed really01:01:22
far away landscape of two mountain peaks01:01:24
where the the sh the sun is casting a01:01:26
shadow that so only the the peaks of the01:01:29
mountain are illuminated and you have01:01:30
this valley that is in the sha in shadow01:01:33
but still has so much detail.01:01:36
>> Yeah, there's a lot of detail in all the01:01:37
shadow and even just like the rock face01:01:39
or the the hill in front of him, you can01:01:42
see everything. This is really cool01:01:43
because like where the sun is hitting is01:01:46
the only snow cap part of the mountains01:01:47
where the rest you can see the ski01:01:49
trails despite it not having snow.01:01:52
>> Um, so you can tell this is like the01:01:53
valley of a, you know, a ski town.01:01:56
>> Um, and the fact that you can still see01:01:58
all of that in all of the shadow is very01:02:00
impressive.01:02:01
>> I wish I was at the scene so I could see01:02:03
how light it actually is, but I think01:02:04
because it's darker I'm going Leica. But01:02:07
I I could be wrong.01:02:09
>> I'm going Leica for my wallet's sake. I01:02:12
think I'm going like a on vibes.01:02:15
>> I'm looking this up because I don't01:02:16
remember.01:02:20
>> I feel like that says something, right?01:02:22
Um, is it this one? Yeah, it's that one.01:02:24
>> This is actually iPhone selfie camera.01:02:26
>> Yeah,01:02:27
>> that's why it's square.01:02:31
>> He unlocked the full sensor.01:02:33
>> All right. Um, this one's the iPhone.01:02:36
>> Okay. Well, I guess I'm just gonna01:02:38
murder myself and enjoy.01:02:41
>> That's crazy, David.01:02:42
>> I know. It's crazy. It is crazy. Raw01:02:45
photos are are crazy.01:02:46
>> You know why I couldn't tell? Cuz it01:02:48
didn't say shot on iPhone.01:02:50
>> Yeah. Where's the watermark?01:02:52
>> Yeah. >> Where's the branding?01:02:53
>> Yeah.01:02:54
>> Okay. There's two more.01:02:55
>> Yeah. >> Second to last one here is very blue.01:02:58
>> Very blue. >> You're on the You're on the edge of a01:03:00
lake. >> A beautiful reflection of a mountain in01:03:02
an alpine lake. And there's a there's a01:03:04
person right in the center of the frame01:03:06
>> walking past the white snowcap mountain.01:03:08
>> Yeah. With a cloud. You must be really01:03:10
altitude right now.01:03:11
>> Yeah. It was 12,000 ft. Sick. Wow. I01:03:14
almost broke my knees.01:03:15
>> Oh man. I wish this water wasn't ripply.01:03:17
>> Well, I tried on so many It was too01:03:22
bright to even do a long exposure on01:03:24
like any of my cameras.01:03:26
>> I tried to do long exposures and it was01:03:28
it was too too much light. I didn't have01:03:30
any ND filters with me so I couldn't01:03:33
which is sad because it would have been01:03:34
awesome. >> Well, no I just mean I wish it wasn't01:03:36
Ripley because then the reflection would01:03:38
be like perfectly intact of the mountain01:03:40
which would have been sick01:03:41
>> which would have been awesome. That's01:03:42
what they like mirror lake at01:03:44
>> Yeah. >> Uh Yose everyone loves01:03:47
>> I want to get this right now.01:03:48
>> I'm going Leica.01:03:49
>> I'm defaulting to whatever Ellis wants01:03:51
to say for this one.01:03:53
>> The shadow is very dark. It is very01:03:57
sharp. We have lost meaningful detail in01:03:59
the snow on the mountain, I've noticed.01:04:01
And we've also lost meaningful detail in01:04:03
the shadow in the foreground.01:04:06
>> This is the iPhone.01:04:09
>> Because of the lesser dynamic range, I'm01:04:12
going iPhone.01:04:13
>> I don't even have a good reason anymore.01:04:17
>> Yeah, let's go. >> It has to be the iPhone.01:04:18
>> This one is the iPhone.01:04:19
>> Is it the iPhone?01:04:20
>> Which, ironically, I took this on the01:04:21
M11 as well, and I liked the iPhone shot01:04:23
better.01:04:24
>> Okay. I picked it because you pointed to01:04:25
your Leica when you were talking about01:04:26
long exposure and then you went I mean01:04:28
all my cameras and I thought you just01:04:30
gave it away.01:04:31
>> No. Yeah. Well,01:04:32
>> all right. The final shot.01:04:34
>> This is an iPhone.01:04:35
>> Final shot is a nice big valley shot01:04:38
where the mountains are going up to the01:04:40
left and up to the right. And in the far01:04:43
far distance there is a trail going up01:04:45
to this beautiful snowcapped mountain.01:04:47
>> Also far less ideal lighting. It's more01:04:51
>> clearly darker. Clearly quite a bit more01:04:54
uh I don't know if it's noise or grain01:04:56
or what, but there's clouds. You know,01:04:58
it's not a blue sky anymore. It's just01:04:59
darker.01:05:00
>> Smoky clouds.01:05:02
>> Wow. Oh, this looks like a postcard.01:05:05
>> Is this a trick question? Did you take01:05:06
this with a different camera?01:05:08
>> Cuz this looks very different from all01:05:10
the other photos you took.01:05:11
>> There's way less light.01:05:12
>> It's cuz it's horizontal.01:05:13
>> Well, no. Just all of it looks01:05:16
>> It's totally different lighting.01:05:17
>> It looks like a like a stock wallpaper01:05:19
on a Mac. M01:05:22
>> complimentary.01:05:23
>> True.01:05:24
>> Uh yeah, a lot of the other photos were01:05:25
taken at like similar times of day. This01:05:27
is this is different lighting.01:05:29
>> Okay,01:05:30
>> I'm going to go iPhone for this one just01:05:33
because I feel like I've seen Here we01:05:35
go. I'm going to be wrong and I'm going01:05:36
to sound like an idiot more so than I01:05:38
already have been, but I feel like I've01:05:40
seen this same level of like breakdown01:05:42
in the shadows with like smartphone01:05:44
photography.01:05:45
>> Mhm.01:05:46
>> I'm guessing Leica. I think01:05:48
>> this is also my favorite photo out of01:05:49
all of them.01:05:50
>> Dang. >> I think this could be the iPhone.01:05:53
>> Yeah, I'm going iPhone.01:05:54
>> I think it's the iPhone, but just01:05:55
because it looks like Apple media. I01:05:57
don't have any01:05:59
>> The sky the sky is doing that thing01:06:01
again. Like the the iPhone seems to take01:06:04
some of the exposure of the mountain and01:06:06
add it to the sky in a few of these01:06:09
if that makes any sense. Like I'm01:06:11
noticing like on some of the Leica it01:06:12
gradients out to dark as you go up and01:06:14
on a lot of the iPhone shots it01:06:15
gradients to the color of the mountain01:06:17
as you get closer to the horizon.01:06:19
>> This shot is the Leica.01:06:21
>> I don't know anything.01:06:23
>> I'm I'm good at this game.01:06:25
>> The least amount of knowledge.01:06:26
>> Anyway, the point of this was to just01:06:28
show you that like while I still prefer01:06:31
traditional cameras for the shooting01:06:32
experience, um you too can take pretty01:06:35
cool pictures just with your phone.01:06:37
>> It's pretty insane.01:06:38
>> Like freaky good. like freaky good01:06:40
freaky01:06:41
>> like you can't tell the difference.01:06:42
>> I'm going to steal one of our like01:06:44
iPhone Pros just so I can go back and01:06:46
forth between the Pixel Pro and the01:06:48
iPhone Pro because this is really01:06:49
bothering me.01:06:50
>> Yeah, >> I feel like I might have chosen wrong01:06:51
this year.01:06:52
>> Are there you buy a Rico?01:06:53
>> I could.01:06:55
>> Are there RAW apps on Pixel now or like01:06:58
there probably are, right? Raw camera01:07:00
apps. >> I believe there are open camera.01:07:02
>> Yeah. Well, there's01:07:03
>> I do raw01:07:04
>> or like a little cup of ceviche.01:07:07
>> Raw apps. Raw apps. Anyone?01:07:10
>> Very nice.01:07:11
>> With the jokes.01:07:12
>> I like that.01:07:13
>> I forgot what it's called, but I think01:07:14
zero can.01:07:15
>> My local ceviche place caught on fire a01:07:17
few weeks ago.01:07:19
>> Now they only serve grilled briny.01:07:23
>> Yeah, I think that's our cue.01:07:25
>> Let's do trivia.01:07:26
>> All right, >> trivia. What was David's local ceviche01:07:29
place?01:07:32
>> One Echo product that people often01:07:34
forget about are the Amazon Echo Buds.01:07:37
What was the I never forgot. I never01:07:39
forgot.01:07:40
>> What was the last year that Amazon tried01:07:43
to sell these sub $50 true wireless A&C01:07:46
buds?01:07:47
>> They were under $50.01:07:48
>> Under $50.01:07:49
>> Remember the Echo Frames?01:07:51
>> And uh >> am I thinking of the wrong ones?01:07:53
>> The This is price is right rule. So if01:07:55
you go over, you're disqualified.01:07:57
>> It's you.01:07:58
>> Do you hear that?01:07:59
>> You go over, you're disqualified.01:08:00
>> Yeah. So what was the last year they01:08:02
made them? Okay.01:08:03
>> All right. Well, we'll think about this01:08:04
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All right, welcome back. Uh we are using01:11:21
this last segment to jump in to listen01:11:23
to maybe the most interesting part of my01:11:25
conversation that I got to have when I01:11:27
was out in uh Menllo Park with James01:11:30
Cameron who you might have heard of. uh01:11:32
pretty legendary movie producer,01:11:34
director, creator, filmmaker in his own01:11:36
right and uh with Andrew Bosworth who01:11:39
was also there with uh Meta. So, he's a01:11:42
CTO of Meta, and we just kind of had a01:11:44
random off-the- cuff chat about what01:11:46
they're doing with these glasses, the01:11:48
first person video, and uh this it kind01:11:51
of went off the rails to be honest. But01:11:52
this last part of the conversation I01:11:54
thought was pretty fun just because I01:11:56
found it interesting to put someone from01:11:59
like real OG media into a YouTuber's01:12:01
shoes and try to ask him a little bit01:12:03
about what he thinks of, you know, the01:12:05
character and the filmmaker being one01:12:07
and the same. So without any further01:12:09
ado, here's some of that conversation.01:12:12
You know, I I've I'm familiar with audio01:12:14
projects and it seems like they take01:12:15
advantage of either some bleeding edge01:12:16
technology or some new technology to to01:12:19
give a new perspective or make something01:12:21
incredible. And I wonder if you see01:12:24
firsterson cameras as an opportunity for01:12:28
even a movie or a project that could01:12:30
maybe have some unique perspective we01:12:32
haven't seen before. Do you picture a01:12:33
first-person movie being interesting?01:12:35
Well, I I think the filmmaker becomes01:12:38
the character.01:12:39
>> Yeah. >> In that, right? And so, how charismatic01:12:43
or interesting is your filmmaker? Most01:12:45
filmmakers are perfectly happy way back01:12:48
behind your camera, not being constantly01:12:51
studied. But on the other hand, we've01:12:53
got a whole generation coming up on01:12:55
social media that are just used to being01:12:57
observed all the time. And and even, you01:13:00
know, the whole influencer culture,01:13:03
people want to be observed. You know, so01:13:06
absolutely I think you could you can01:13:08
have a firsterson narrative shot with01:13:11
first person lenses. It could be script01:13:13
could be fully scripted. It could be it01:13:15
could be a proper production. Yeah.01:13:17
>> You know, I think that'd be a lot of01:13:18
fun. You I go back again to this thing01:13:20
that that I that I wrote back in 1993, I01:13:24
think, called Strange Days. And it was01:13:26
about we just people just record their01:13:29
experience and then they sell it to01:13:31
other people,01:13:32
>> you know, which by the way is the world01:13:33
we live in. Turns out, you know, turns01:13:35
out I was a little pressure ahead of01:13:37
time on that.01:13:38
>> Yeah, we're kind of there. I feel like a01:13:40
lot of my videos are me trying to put01:13:42
the device in your hands so you can see01:13:44
what it's like to hold it and own it01:13:45
before you actually buy it.01:13:47
>> And as tech gets better, I'm able to do01:13:49
that with higher fidelity and more01:13:50
personality and and closer to real time.01:13:53
>> But you become you become the filmmaker01:13:56
and the performer at the same time.01:13:58
>> Yeah. The viewer a oneman band.01:14:00
>> The viewer gets put into my shoes. Yeah.01:14:02
Which is >> pretty sweet. Well, I mean, you know, we01:14:05
are going to do this deep sea expedition01:14:07
thing where I might be in that very role01:14:10
because as my experience is being lived01:14:13
and I'm seeing something that's never01:14:15
been seen before that's being piped out01:14:17
and and part part of a number of feeds,01:14:20
there'll be, you know, mult multiple01:14:21
people experiencing this and then we'll01:14:24
have to figure out how to switch that,01:14:25
how to, you know, how to how to turn it01:14:27
into some kind of a piece downstream01:14:30
that's going out live. So, that'll all01:14:32
get worked out. excited about that01:14:33
>> big tech challenge it sounds like.01:14:35
>> Can't say too much about that right now.01:14:36
Excited about it. Can't say too much.01:14:38
>> Awesome. Well, I'm looking forward to01:14:39
seeing how it comes together. I did I01:14:41
watched the the Avatar01:14:42
>> You saw the trailer content for today?01:14:44
>> Yeah. The two clips from today, which01:14:46
>> And you saw it in the Quest 3?01:14:47
>> I saw it on Quest 3.01:14:48
>> Yeah.01:14:49
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. It plays well in the in the in the01:14:51
device, I think.01:14:52
>> Yeah. I mean, I've never watched an01:14:53
entire movie in a headset, but I'm01:14:55
thinking like it's almost getting to the01:14:57
place where I'd be fine with that. The01:14:59
headset's light enough now.01:15:00
>> What would you do? You'd make them01:15:02
lighter and01:15:04
>> we got work to do.01:15:06
>> James has notes,01:15:08
>> I imagine. >> But we listen.01:15:09
>> Yeah.01:15:10
>> Sick. Cool.01:15:11
>> Yeah. I think it plays I think it plays01:15:12
well. And you know the thing I the thing01:15:14
I love about the about the uh you know01:15:17
um MR or VR is01:15:22
that they're innately stereoscopic. So01:15:24
anything that you're going to want to01:15:25
put up put up in there is going to be01:15:27
3D. Yeah.01:15:28
>> And I've been working on on 3D01:15:30
production for 25 years and01:15:33
>> and01:15:34
have figured out how to make it easy to01:15:37
watch, you know, and and non not01:15:40
confronting to your senses and and so01:15:42
on.01:15:43
>> If you were if you were a YouTuber01:15:44
today, put yourself in my shoes. I've01:15:47
been trying to make more and more01:15:49
realistic content to put the viewer in01:15:53
my shoes to see what it's like to hold01:15:54
what I'm holding. Yeah.01:15:55
>> Do you think 3D content is the natural01:16:00
inevitable future of what I'm doing or01:16:02
is that more of a alongside01:16:04
>> I I think I think 650 million years of01:16:07
evolution says yes.01:16:09
>> Yeah. >> Because once once organisms got to two01:16:12
eyes, nature never looked back. And we01:16:15
have two eyes for a reason because it01:16:17
gives us more um engagement, right? So01:16:20
what do you want to do as a YouTuber?01:16:22
You want to engage people. you want to01:16:23
hold hold eyeballs, right? What what01:16:26
clicks? >> So, so engagement, I mean, it has to do01:16:29
with, you know, a lot of, you know,01:16:31
neurobiology and that sort of thing01:16:33
about how the brain communicates with01:16:35
itself internally.01:16:37
>> And you you you probably know this, but01:16:39
but there there are a lot of neurons in01:16:41
the in the visual cortex that are01:16:44
triggered by parallax. So, what is when01:16:46
you when you're writing a discrete image01:16:48
to two eyes, you're generating parallax01:16:51
in the brain,01:16:52
>> right? That's where we fuse those two01:16:53
images together to make a a 3D kind of01:16:56
sense of the world.01:16:58
>> Y >> and because those different brain01:17:00
regions have to talk to each other,01:17:02
those and and you know, so a neuron's01:17:04
like a like a GPU, right? So it it's01:17:07
that particular neuron does nothing but01:17:10
sense parallax. Other neurons do other01:17:12
things. They recognize faces. Do this is01:17:14
parallax recognition.01:17:16
>> And then those different regions of the01:17:18
the visual cortex talk to each other. So01:17:21
there's actually enhanced brain activity01:17:23
when you're staring at a staring at a01:17:25
flat image versus a stereoscopic image.01:17:28
>> So that same thing about when you had a01:17:30
mo when you wrote memory deeper.01:17:33
>> Yep. That's right.01:17:34
>> Based on emotion, it's the same01:17:36
principle. The more your brain is01:17:37
active, the better you'll remember it,01:17:40
the more engaged you'll be. So yeah. So01:17:42
that's the long-winded answer. The01:17:44
short-witted answer is yes.01:17:45
>> Yeah. >> I think it's a depth and breath thing.01:17:46
If you look at the trends in media01:17:48
content, not just in the internet, but01:17:49
even going back a 100 years to the novel01:17:51
nolla article movement, like they go to01:17:54
the edges. You know, our most popular01:17:57
media types now are 100 plus hour video01:18:00
games.01:18:01
>> Mhm.01:18:02
>> And the shortest like most rapidly01:18:04
available content. And it makes sense01:18:06
like we either have a little bit of time01:18:08
and we're just like snatching it up. And01:18:09
you'd be foolish, especially in your01:18:11
business, not to be paying good01:18:12
attention to that. That's where it's01:18:13
kind of the easy in easy out. Yeah. But01:18:15
there's a second part of this which is01:18:16
can you take the depth of engagement yes01:18:18
um for your most loyal committed people01:18:20
and bring them in deeper and like there01:18:22
is an a whole history here of of01:18:26
investments to make sure that it's01:18:28
getting easier and easier over time to01:18:29
tell more compelling01:18:31
stories more compelling experiences to01:18:34
people um and that's one of the things01:18:35
that we're really passionate about01:18:36
obviously.01:18:37
>> Yeah. Yeah. I kind of see it as a01:18:39
natural as a natural evolution. I there01:18:41
are all kinds of things too that will01:18:43
today turn 2D imagery into01:18:47
it'll try to perceive a stereoscopic01:18:50
stereo stereoscopic version of that and01:18:53
it's impressive with AI and it kind of01:18:55
seems to figure it out pretty quickly.01:18:56
So >> it's going to take over eventually. I01:18:58
mean I think right now there's there's01:18:59
one very decisive advantage with native01:19:02
stereo cameras which is real time. you01:19:06
know, to get to get a a really01:19:07
comparable result uh in a from a from a01:19:10
Gen AI, you know, stereo conversion01:19:12
model or depth model,01:19:14
>> it needs more time,01:19:15
>> right?01:19:16
>> But it'll catch up, you know, it'll01:19:18
catch up. >> All right. Well, that was a pretty fun01:19:19
conversation. Shout out again to Bos and01:19:21
James Carman for the time. Uh, which01:19:24
leaves us with just one more thing to do01:19:26
this episode now that everyone's back.01:19:28
It's of course trivia time.01:19:33
[Music]01:19:35
>> Question number one is about the Amazon01:19:38
Echo Flex.01:19:40
What was it?01:19:42
[Music]01:19:44
>> That's it. That's the question.01:19:48
>> What?01:19:49
>> That's a really good question. What was01:19:50
that?01:19:51
>> I know cuz Echoplex tells you literally01:19:53
nothing. I was going to say like that's01:19:56
a bad name if you don't know what it is.01:19:59
>> It's It's sick.01:20:02
>> It's01:20:03
>> Is this closest without going over?01:20:06
>> Sure.01:20:07
>> Yeah. >> It's one of those slap bracelets.01:20:09
>> Guys, what is it?01:20:10
>> Marquez, you first.01:20:12
>> I think it's some sort of a display.01:20:14
>> Nope.01:20:15
>> I said phone.01:20:16
>> Nope. I put smart display.01:20:18
>> Okay. What if I told you that the Echo01:20:20
Flex Was that the clock? It's a01:20:23
microwave. USBA01:20:25
to wall adapter.01:20:27
>> Wait,01:20:28
>> that has a speaker and Alexa built in.01:20:32
>> Yep. >> Why did they name it?01:20:33
>> Why did they name it that?01:20:34
>> Why they name the flex? Who knows?01:20:36
>> Why would you name that?01:20:38
>> What the heck? >> All right, quick update on the score01:20:40
while we're here.01:20:41
>> Uh Marquez with six, Andrew with eight,01:20:46
David after getting 0 for two last week01:20:49
when we called him after the pod, still01:20:51
at three. M. All right.01:20:54
>> Wow, that hit way too well. Next01:20:58
question. What was the last year that01:21:00
Amazon tried to sell $50 true wireless01:21:03
A&C earbuds called the Amazon Echo Buds?01:21:06
>> As close as I can say I they fluctuated01:21:08
in price over the years in different01:21:09
versions, but almost all the ones I saw01:21:12
were sub50. though. If there are any01:21:15
diehard Echo Buds users out there who01:21:18
paid more than $50 and are mad I'm not01:21:20
giving them credit, please email me01:21:23
podcastmkhd.com.01:21:26
>> I don't remember that.01:21:27
>> Is that a secret email at all? No.01:21:28
>> Oh,01:21:29
>> Adam just doesn't want to get the angry01:21:31
emails. >> Oh, I don't have access to that email.01:21:33
So, you will be hitting him. All right.01:21:35
>> Oh,01:21:37
who wants to read first?01:21:38
>> We can go in ascending order because I01:21:40
put 2020.01:21:42
>> 2020.01:21:43
They They were made after that.01:21:45
>> Yeah,01:21:46
>> I put 2021.01:21:47
>> They were made after that.01:21:49
>> I think the answer is 2024, but I put01:21:50
2023 to be safe.01:21:51
>> They were made after that because the01:21:52
answer is Well, David, you do get the01:21:54
point.01:21:55
>> Yay. >> Uh, but the answer is they are still01:21:57
being made to this day. You can go on01:22:00
Amazon.com and buy a pair of Echo Buds.01:22:03
That was good framing.01:22:04
>> Absolutely should not do it.01:22:06
>> I thought when I heard that, I was like,01:22:08
really? Sub&c01:22:10
head like earbuds seems like a great01:22:11
product today. So, if they stopped01:22:13
making them, they must have had like a01:22:14
really important reason to stop making01:22:16
them, which might have been like around01:22:18
CO times because if they kept going01:22:19
after CO, they would have found out that01:22:20
there's a really good market for them.01:22:22
>> I just thought it's funny that they make01:22:23
this and no one I've never heard I01:22:26
didn't even know they made before today.01:22:27
Yeah. On the Alexa store, there are two01:22:30
different models of Amazon Echo Buds01:22:33
that are both listed as newest model.01:22:36
>> Um, tough. You know, it's crazy that01:22:38
like, you know, one of the most valuable01:22:40
companies in the world, folks,01:22:42
>> still run by humans after all.01:22:43
>> Ex01:22:45
allegedly, man. I01:22:48
>> um >> Wait, can I yell at a company real01:22:49
quick?01:22:50
>> 2.73 $37 trillion company.01:22:53
>> How much is OpenAI worth?01:22:56
>> Nothing because they're still not01:22:57
profitable.01:22:58
>> Fair. Well, they released a new store01:22:59
app that we didn't talk about, but we01:23:01
will probably at some point, but not on01:23:03
Android. How is this company so like it01:23:07
has all the money and they didn't01:23:08
release an end01:23:09
>> Sor is just the slop generator,01:23:12
>> right? >> Yeah, but they have the app now on iOS.01:23:14
>> Sora app. Yeah, now specifically.01:23:17
>> Cool. Well, hey, either way, that's been01:23:18
it for this episode. Hope you enjoyed.01:23:21
Lots of fun conversations, more coming01:23:23
up as well. Obviously, we had some01:23:24
people on this episode, but we have more01:23:26
coming on future episodes. So, stay01:23:27
tuned for that. Get subscribed if you01:23:29
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on there? >> Mhm.01:23:54
>> Like for real?01:23:55
>> Mhm. >> For reals?01:23:56
>> No joke. Yeah, that wasDescription:
David is back! And after putting the iPhone 17 Pro camera to the test he thought of a fun camera comparison game for us to play (link below if you want to play along). Before that, Marques gives his first impressions using the Meta Display glasses. We also talk about a bunch of new speakers and other hardware from Amazon and Google. We wrap it up with the interview between Marques, James Cameron, and Boz. It's a chaotic episode so we hope you enjoy! Chapters: 00:00 Intro 01:18 Andrew's show and tell 07:24 Meta Ray-Ban Display glasses 16:39 Logitech MX Master 4 21:40 New Amazon Echo and Scribe hardware 30:18 Google Home gets an update 41:10 Shopify (Sponsored) 42:10 Life360 (Sponsored) 43:45 Spaceship (Sponsored) 44:37 iPhone 17 Pro or Leica game 01:08:15 LinkedIn (Sponsored) 01:09:15 Miro (Sponsored) 01:10:15 Zapier (Sponsored) 01:11:21 James Cameron and Boz chat at Meta HQ 01:19:21 Trivia 01:23:50 Outro Links: Casey Neistat - Smart glasses video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=NczuXaQQlS8xYWhn&v=vRKayRN0QhU Verge - Amazon event recap: https://www.theverge.com/news/788297/amazon-fall-2025-hardware-announcements-echo-alexa-kindle-ring New Google Home devices: https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/devices/google-nest/new-nest-cams-home-speaker-walmart/ David's slideshow - play along! https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1tX3iYnnhLFRiN6P2oqj0q9Ud_1zSPBK7btDX07rq3bo/edit?usp=drivesdk David's RAW pictures: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1_V4yAbjkwNbo0phNtKq7pWYgs4uTgKpW?usp=sharing Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://mkbhd.com/ Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Waveform Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Hosts: Marques: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Andrew: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser David: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Adam: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.com/invite/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://www.youtube.com/user/20syl Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
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