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So, you have Republican senators who
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were even grilling RFK Jr. during that
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disastrous hearing that took place this
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week, who are physicians who were
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grilling him, saying, "You're killing
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the American people with your antivax
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policies. Our constituents are dying."
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Okay? But then when the hearing was
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over, or even right before the hearing,
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when they were asked by the press, "So,
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do you have no confidence in this guy?"
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They would run away from the press and
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say, "Look, whatever Donald Trump wants,
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we got to give Donald Trump whatever he
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wants." So, you know, even though you
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saw what went down in there, if you
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don't believe me, here's Senator Baraso
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from Wyoming. He's a physician,
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Republican senator, like the number two
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in the Senate again, a physician. Here
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he is running away from the press. And
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you'll hear him say, "We just have to
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give whatever Donald Trump wants." He
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literally says that here, play this
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clip. Do
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>> you still have confidence in him,
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Senator?
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his ability to lead HHS.
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>> Do you have confidence in him, Senator?
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>> Is there a reason you're not confidence
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in what the president of the United
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States is doing and I will not say
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>> Your job is literally to second guess
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it. Like oversight is mean second guess.
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Your job is to say, "Wait a minute.
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Maybe we're a co-equal branch and what
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you're doing is killing people." This
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was that guy's questioning right before
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that. This is Baraso questioning RFK Jr.
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here. Watch this.
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>> I support vaccines. I'm a doctor.
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Vaccines work. Secretary Kennedy, in
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your confirmation hearings, you promised
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to uphold the highest standards for
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vaccines. Since then, I've grown deeply
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concerned. The public has seen measles
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outbreaks. Leadership in the National
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Institute of Health questioning the use
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of mRNA vaccines. the recently uh
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confirmed director of Centers for
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Disease Control and Prevention fired. Uh
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Americans don't know who to rely on. You
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know, recent polls that 89% of voters,
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81% of Trump voters agree vaccine
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recommendations should come from trained
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physicians, scientists, public health
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experts. So, you know, they believe, you
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know, Senator Marshall, Senator Cassidy,
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they believe me when it comes to
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vaccines. Um if we're going to make
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America healthy again, we can't allow
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public health to be undermined. Well, so
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you're going to kill me, but I I and I'm
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angry at it, but go and do it. Go. What
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am I in the Looney Tunes here? What am I
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missing? And then Senator Cassidy from
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Louisiana, also a physician. Here he is
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running away from the questioning here.
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Play this clip.
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>> Do you do you regret your vote on
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Junior?
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>> You know, Manu,
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>> you can refer to our tweet on that
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question. >> And we we we I know you're asking a
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different question, but you're trying to
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get something similar. Uh, and this is
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not gonna come.
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>> How about whether you still stand by
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that vote?
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>> Is he like covering his face? Like how
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how are how are these people real? Like
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how am What am I watching is actual
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United States senators. Here's what
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Cassidy was saying during his
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questioning of Health Secretary RFK Jr.
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here. Play this clip. The first one I
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would say effectively we're denying
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people vaccines. Here, play this clip.
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Secondly, an email from uh a physician
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friend of mine. Hey, Bill. I'm not even
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sure what I'm asking you, but we're all
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confused and concerned about who can get
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the COVID vaccine. We are having our
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attorney try and render an opinion, but
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there's no firm guidance and concern
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about liability if vaccines are given to
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a patient requested, but not on the
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current CDC list. Pharmacists are
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requiring a prescription now, even for
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patients over 65, creating a huge
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headache. I submit these for the record.
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Without objection,
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>> I would say effectively we're denying
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people vaccine. I
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>> Senator Catwell.
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>> I am wrong.
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>> All right. Now, let's bring in the
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former Secretary for Health and Human
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Services, Javier Ber under the Biden
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administration. Uh, Secretary Baser is
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also running for governor the state of
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California, which we'll talk about as
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well. But I got to start by asking you
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about that RFK Junior hearing. And we'll
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get into more of what he's doing at the
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agency, the sprawling agency you led,
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which controls CDC, Medicare and
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Medicaid services, all all of that. But
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let's just start off with that the uh
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hearing. Did you watch it? What was your
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reaction to it? What happened?
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>> I I caught parts of it, Ben. I wasn't
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able to watch all of it, but I did catch
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parts. I obviously uh was informed of
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other things. It's it it's kind of hard
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to watch because here you're seeing the
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dismantling of uh an agency CDC that is
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our it's our canary in the coal mine to
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let Americans know when we got to be
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ready for something that's getting ready
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to broadside us. And here this
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dismantling is occurring before the
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senator's eyes and they're just letting
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it go. It doesn't make any sense. You
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think about the hearings that you
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attended and the treatment that you
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would get by Republican senators and and
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and now you see RFK Jr. quite literally
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saying things that's pro death and pro-
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killing people. It must make you want to
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just say what in what world am I even
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watching right now?
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>> Yeah. Um, the people should be fired are
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the ones who are running the ship and
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the folks who should be staying are the
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ones who are being dismissed. It's it's
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a Alice in Wonderland on steroids. And
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it's unfortunate because in Alice in
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Wonderland, it's a cartoon. Here it's
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real, so people will die. Okay, let's
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talk about some of the moves that we've
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been seeing because you you you know
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these senior leaders at the CDC who have
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either been fired or forced out, you
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know, the senior leadership at all of
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the other divisions within Health and
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Human Services. How dangerous is it that
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we're that these people are being pushed
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out and that we're losing this type of
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talent?
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So to put it in perspective
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on a daily basis certainly as things got
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better less maybe on a weekly basis I
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was briefed by what we called our white
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coats uh our head of CDC our head of the
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FDA uh we had our infectious diseases uh
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experts including Dr. Fauci from the NIH
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uh and a a a whole slew of healthc care
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experts who would constantly first it
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was daily as things got better or less
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so brief us and the very first thing we
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would always start with is a briefing by
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the CDC director on what the data were
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showing how many deaths where are the
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hospitalizations where is the infection
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going what's the latest variant of COVID
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that's beginning to hit where it was
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detailed
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and today to believe that we don't have
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a C CDC director in place and that we've
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lost a couple and that we've lost the
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team with that was actually helping pull
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together all that uh important data. It
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can get very scary. You know, when when
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the seas are calm, you can have pretty
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much anybody uh steer the ship, but when
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you're in crisis, you need the best. and
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we've just seen the best either
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dismissed or resigned because they can
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no longer work under this leadership and
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politicians don't make good scientists.
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How big of a deal is the kind of gutting
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of this vaccine advisory board and also
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the guidelines that are being handed
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down regarding vaccinations for children
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vaccinations
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uh with respect to co really limiting
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people's access
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making us I think more unhealthy but
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from from your former inside perspective
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what should we know about that
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>> the advisory committee is indispensable
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because you can have a wonderful a
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talented uh director at CDC or a great
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commissioner at FDA, but you need to
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have these committees that are composed
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of experts from around the country who
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may not always agree. And you want to
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hear that symphony of voices because
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you're about to make a decision about
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whether this particular vaccine should
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be provided to kids under the age of six
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uh years old. And you want to make sure
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you've heard from all the best minds
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because you want to be able to take uh
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into account the detractors as well.
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Well, when you gut the the committee,
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the advisory committee, and then you
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load it up with people who are from one
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particular political trajectory, you
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know, you're not going to get good
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results. And now you leave the CDC, its
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director, and its team rerless because
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now they're making decisions. They may
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be able to make good decisions, but
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they're not getting that uh stereo
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effect of hearing all the voices. So,
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they've taken everything into account.
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It's dangerous. And that's why this
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committee is so important. And that's
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why politicizing the committee is so
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crucially uh dangerous for the rest of
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us in America who rely on good judgment
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on what to do to protect us from these
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public calamities that can occur with
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diseases and so forth.
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>> I mean, to think about polio and
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measles. I mean, I'm I'm a father of a
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one she's about to turn one years old
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and you know want to make sure she's uh
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protected of course but you know these
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diseases from the past that that were
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virtually eradicated and now we're
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hearing stories about the measles
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outbreaks polio ms rebella bubanic
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plague
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um I mean the work that that everyone
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had to do you know to to get rid of emp
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and then I saw the way it was even being
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treated during the hearing by
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Republicans or or I see it on uh on Fox,
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which I call regime media, where they
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downplay the threat and almost spread
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these like conspiracies that we saw in,
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you know, in in the 80s when it came to,
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you know, HIV and AIDS. And it's only a
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gay person thing. It's not a and I'm
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seeing them doing I'm like, what what
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are we talking about here?
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>> Ben Ben, you you just said you've got a
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one-year-old. How do you make the
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decision about whether or not you should
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vaccinate your one-year-old for COVID if
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now you can't trust the committee that
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is supposed to advise our experts at CDC
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and now you don't have a CDC uh
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permanent director uh who can prove that
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uh he or she is not biased by politics.
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How do you now make a judgment? you can
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go to your pediatrician, but your
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pediatrician was relying on the
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recommendations made by the CDC and its
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advisory committee, which now is not uh
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a an available course of action. It can
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be dangerous because these drugs are,
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you know, they can save lives, but if
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it's not done the right way, they can
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also hurt you. So that's why you have to
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make sure this is done right. again,
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when things are calm, when we remember
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when we took over in the Biden
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administration, when Donald Trump handed
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over the keys to Joe Biden, uh, on
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inauguration day January 2021,
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the equivalent of four jumbo jets
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crashed and burned with everybody on
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board, Americans dying to the tune of
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more than 4,000. About 4,100 Americans
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died on inauguration day 2021. That's
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what Donald Trump handed over to uh Joe
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Biden during the COVID pandemic.
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People were dying. We had to get us out
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of that and we're fortunately we did and
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mostly because of the vaccines. Now
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we're pretty safe. But you know, we
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could go back to those days where four
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jumbo jets of Americans are perishing
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every day uh or 10 of them, whatever the
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number is. All I'm saying is we can't
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afford to have incompetence governing at
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HHS or at CDC.
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>> Let me get to California uh the
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governor's race right here. I think one
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of the things you showed as the
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secretary for health and human services
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is you you inherited a mess from the
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Trump regime as you just described and
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provided stable competent leadership
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during very difficult times. And as you
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bring that to California, California is
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under attack right now um more than any
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state by the uh Trump regime uh in every
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way from National Guard to defunding
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universities to Medicaid and Medicare
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being under attack to social security
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offices being destroyed to ICE
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disappearing human beings off the
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street. It's it's obviously there's
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there's a lot of people running for
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governor right now in the Democratic
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primary. what kind of separates you from
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others and and what's your overall kind
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of platform there as you look to the the
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the threats facing California? What
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California needs right now?
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>> Ben, there's a lot of uh bark out there
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right now, whether it's against Trump or
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against this crisis of affordability
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that we're facing. Uh you need a dog who
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knows how to bite. And uh that's where I
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think I can excel. uh if some can do it,
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Basera can do it better because I've
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done it. And that's what I hope to prove
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to the voters in California that if you
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want someone who can get us out of a
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crisis, uh no bigger crisis than CO that
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we faced recently, if you want someone
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who knows how to battle Donald Trump,
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when I was attorney general, when Donald
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Trump was president the first time, I
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kept him at bay. I stopped him from
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violating the law. I kept him from
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harming California. I had to sue Donald
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Trump over 120 times to do that. But we
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showed him we could bite. And right now,
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I think the the public in California
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recognizes we need someone who can't be
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a novice behind the steering wheel. And
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I think at this stage right now,
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California can lead the way out of this
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man-made disaster that we see occurring
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in Washington DC. And we will because we
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have no choice. Uh we've become the
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fourth largest economy in the world. But
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too many of our families don't feel that
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prosperity. So, we've got we've got to
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walk and chew gum. We've got to beat up
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on the Trump regime. At the same time
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that we're making California more
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affordable
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as you're traveling the state as part of
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your campaign, are there certain things
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you're hearing more frequently than than
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others from people in terms of what
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they're afraid about? you know, e even
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when I as when I used to be a litigator,
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you know, I did lots of cases in Kern
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County and Fresno and central and
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northern California. I mean, Trump is
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screwing over those farmers. All I mean
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those farmers are being hurt. Whether
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it's the cost of fertilizer, Trump
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stealing two billion gallons from their
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reservoirs to pretend that he was
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putting out wildfires in Southern
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California by pretending he turned on a
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faucet, but literally taking the water
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the needed water away from them. Um to
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to the loss of business that these
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farmers face because of the trade war
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against the world and people are just
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buying produce elsewhere and not from
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the United States anymore. So to me,
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even in the red pockets of California,
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which is um you know, which is certainly
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smaller than the than the overall blue
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areas of California, it it does seem
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that whether you're red or blue or
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independent, that Trump's Trump's
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attacking you if you're living in
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California, frankly, the rest of the
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country.
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>> Yeah. And you know, Ben, what's
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interesting is a lot of those folks who
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voted for Trump, even in California,
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were saying, "We want to shake things
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up." uh they just didn't think that
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they'd be the people being shaken. Uh
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and now it's beginning to hit home.
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Those farmers who are saying, "Wait a
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minute, we got we need to have somebody
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who's uh harvesting those crops. Uh the
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people in our construction industry are
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saying, "Wait a
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now all of a sudden we're losing this
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workforce or they're too afraid to come
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out." Uh we see what's going on with
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healthcare where California was
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approaching universal healthcare
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coverage where everyone in California
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could say they have access to the doctor
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hospital they need. All of a sudden
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Donald Trump yanks a trillion dollars
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out of the Medicaid program what we call
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medical and lo and behold we're going to
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have a whole bunch of families who are
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suffering. What most Californians are
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saying what I'm hearing is just give me
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some stability. I got to go to work in
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the morning. I got to come back and take
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care of my kids. I don't have time to
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have to li live on these choppy seas.
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You know, I talked about how calm seas,
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you could pretty much have anybody steer
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the ship. But when the seas are really
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rocky, choppy, you need somebody who
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knows how to get there. And I think most
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Californians, like most Americans, are
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simply saying, "Just calm the waters so
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I can make a living. I can get my kids
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to college or get them into an
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apprenticeship program. Help me make
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sure I can keep my health insurance."
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They're not asking for a whole lot. And
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they thought maybe some of those voters
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thought maybe Donald Trump could do it,
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but you know, the cost of living
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continues to go up. Energy prices are
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doubling. Uh housing prices haven't gone
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down. The interest rates haven't gone
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down. Eggs are still too high in price.
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I think they're, you know, they're
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feeling like they got ripped off.
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>> Secretary Baser, where can people find
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out more about your campaign?
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>> So, Javier Bera 2026. Uh you can reach
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me there. uh uh or you can just try to
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reach me whenever you see me coming out
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on the street. I'm more than w more than
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willing to talk and and Ben, I hope what
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you all do is take interest in this uh
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race because as goes California, so goes
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the nation.
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>> Absolutely. Maybe maybe we host the
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first digital debate. I will we'll we'll
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we'll we'll figure it out what we could
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be doing there. But um it's definitely
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of a keen interest to us. We appreciate
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you coming on. Javier Bera, former
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health and human services secretary,
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former attorney general of California. I
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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Republican Senators running away from the press after the disastrous hearing of Health Secretary RFK Jr. and Meiselas interviews former Health Secretary Xavier Becerra who is running for Governor of California. Visit https://www.meidasplus.com/ for more! MeidasTouch relies on SnapStream to record, watch, monitor, and clip the news. Get a FREE TRIAL of SnapStream by clicking here: https://go.snapstream.com/affiliate/meidastouch/meidasnews Support the MeidasTouch Network: https://www.patreon.com/meidastouch Add the MeidasTouch Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-meidastouch-podcast/id1510240831 Buy MeidasTouch Merch: https://store.meidastouch.com/ Follow MeidasTouch on Twitter: https://twitter.com/meidastouch Follow MeidasTouch on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Follow MeidasTouch on Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Follow MeidasTouch on TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@meidastouch

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