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person who actually got the Nobel Prize00:00:03
called me and [music] said that I'm00:00:06
accepting this in honor of you because00:00:07
you really deserved it.00:00:09
>> He created a relationship with the00:00:11
Israeli prime minister that has that no00:00:13
other president has in in decades.00:00:16
>> I have an idea, Mr. President. Why don't00:00:20
you give him a pardon? [cheering]00:00:23
>> I think Trump addressing the Kess just00:00:25
proves how absurd this whole00:00:26
conversation is. He bragged about moving00:00:29
the US embassy to Jerusalem. He rewarded00:00:32
Israel's legal annexation. He praised00:00:34
Miriam Adlesen while also calling her00:00:36
Israel first.00:00:37
>> Seems to me the MAGA base is00:00:39
increasingly anti-Israel. We see that00:00:41
with Tucker Carlson, with Candace Owens,00:00:44
and others. What's that about?00:00:46
>> Well, let me correct you on that. I00:00:48
don't think it's anti-Israel. A lot of00:00:49
it's anti-Semitic.00:00:51
I mean, people are losing their minds.00:00:53
We're talking about giving the Nobel00:00:54
Peace Prize hopefully to a guy who is00:00:56
declaring war on his [music] own cities.00:00:58
>> Destiny, you won. You have Trump00:01:00
derangement syndrome. Congratulations.00:01:02
>> So, are you suggesting that you would00:01:04
allow trans athletes to compete in00:01:06
women's sport in the Olympics if you00:01:07
were governor?00:01:08
>> Look, everyone is competing in a sport00:01:10
and they come [music] with um abilities00:01:12
and perhaps there could be, you know,00:01:13
kind of a different league for them.00:01:14
>> I think we may just have seen another00:01:16
California Democrat candidate torpedo00:01:19
their campaign for governor. I mean,00:01:21
extraordinary.00:01:23
>> President Trump's historic role in00:01:25
ending the Hamas war has drawn plaudits00:01:27
from even his most embittered opponents.00:01:29
Hillary Clinton commended Trump for00:01:31
broken peace, while President Obama was00:01:33
roundly criticized for failing to00:01:34
mention him in his long statement.00:01:36
Politics is turbulent and above all00:01:38
fickle. But history won't really have00:01:40
much to say about the daily squables we00:01:41
spend so much energy debating. It will,00:01:44
however, vividly remember the remarkable00:01:46
scenes of the past few days in Israel.00:01:48
on what may prove and it's a big may to00:01:51
be the biggest deal of Trump's life. So,00:01:53
is it time for Trump's harshest critics00:01:54
to recognize that even their least00:01:56
favorite president, if not human being,00:01:59
is capable of doing some good things? Is00:02:02
mutually lording Netanyahu a good look,00:02:05
including among the MAGA base? And does00:02:07
Trump deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?00:02:09
Joining me to debate all this is from00:02:10
the Office Tatum podcast. Officer Tatum,00:02:13
TV personality Emily Austin, host of the00:02:15
Tara Pomei show, Tara Pome, and Nadine00:02:18
Kiswani, the activist in the Within Our00:02:20
Lifetime protest group. And here in the00:02:23
studio, making his debut in my studio00:02:25
here in London is the streamer Destiny.00:02:28
Destiny, welcome to you. Uh, and welcome00:02:29
to all my guests joining remotely. Um,00:02:32
well, Destiny, let me start with you00:02:33
given you're here.00:02:36
I was watching it from early this00:02:37
morning and it's very hard not to get00:02:40
caught up in the euphoria of the00:02:42
hostages being released, the families,00:02:44
their joy uh on the Palestinian side, an00:02:47
end to the bombing, certainly for now,00:02:50
the return of thousands of of prisoners00:02:52
from Israeli jails and so on. You know,00:02:55
it was a day of great celebration.00:02:57
Did you feel celebratory today?00:03:00
>> Uh I mean, it's always good when war00:03:02
ends. It's good when conflict ends. It's00:03:04
good when hostages are brought home. I00:03:06
think regardless of how that came about,00:03:08
I think it's always a good thing to00:03:09
celebrate.00:03:11
>> What's the downside for you?00:03:13
>> Uh, well, I mean, it depends on what00:03:14
part we're talking about. I think that,00:03:17
you know, if you're looking for some00:03:18
kind of comprehensive peace between00:03:20
Israel and Palestine, this deal doesn't00:03:22
even come close to it. Um, remember this00:03:24
is the second time the president has00:03:25
told us there will be peace in the00:03:27
Middle East. The first time was the00:03:28
Abraham Accords, and clearly that didn't00:03:30
work. So, um, yeah, Trump is really good00:03:32
at putting together these plans that are00:03:34
not plans at all. They're just like00:03:35
backbones of plans.00:03:36
>> When you say it didn't work, the Abraham00:03:37
Accords, I mean, it stood it stood with00:03:39
the countries that signed up the Abraham00:03:41
Accords. Uh, you know, that they have00:03:44
had a good working relationship with00:03:46
Israel as a as a consequence of that.00:03:49
Saudi Arabia has indicated it would like00:03:50
to join them, but can't when this war00:03:53
was raging, understandably. Um, they're00:03:55
looking to expand the Abrahamic cause.00:03:57
the amount of unity from Arab countries00:04:00
and country Muslim countries like Turkey00:04:02
uh to this peace plan has been pretty00:04:05
unanimous in the region. So I'm not00:04:07
quite sure if this if this plan is00:04:09
unworkable, what would have been a00:04:11
better plan? I mean anything that00:04:14
actually leads to a long-term permanent00:04:16
solution between Israel and Palestine. I00:04:19
mean when you say the Abraham Accords00:04:20
worked, I mean that's because they were00:04:21
involving countries that weren't really00:04:22
fighting with each other. I think that a00:04:24
lot of the Israeli peace process with00:04:27
other Arab states is just trying to00:04:28
extricate Palestine from any overall00:04:30
peace arrangement with any other00:04:31
country. The Abraham Accords did that.00:04:33
They kicked the can down the road.00:04:34
October 7th happened. It was just like00:04:36
the second inifat after the failures of00:04:38
Oslo 1 and 2. And now we're getting a00:04:39
deal that kind of looks like an Oslo 300:04:41
peace framework where it's a bunch of00:04:42
vague stuff. Nobody really knows what it00:04:44
means. And basically Israel has like00:04:47
infinite reign to kind of like play with00:04:48
it how they want. like what does it mean00:04:50
to dradicalize the Palestinian Authority00:04:52
or dradicalize the Gaza Strip? Uh, you00:04:54
know, who knows?00:04:56
>> Emily Austin, you know, I felt a lot of00:04:58
joy to seeing the hostages after 2 years00:05:01
of utter unrelenting hell finally being00:05:05
released um 20 of them back to their00:05:07
families who and the scenes with the00:05:09
reunion with their families incredibly00:05:11
moving. I defy anyone with a heart to00:05:14
not be moved by it. Uh and I also found00:05:16
the scenes of of jubilation amongst the00:05:18
Palestinians and seeing families00:05:20
returning albeit back to their bombarded00:05:23
homes uh with at least the hope now of00:05:26
being able to rebuild their lives00:05:27
hopefully. You know all of that I found00:05:30
very euphoric. Um, I have to say I did00:05:33
blanch not at Donald Trump being00:05:36
celebrated in the Knesset, but by the00:05:38
kind of mass agilation for Netanyahu,00:05:41
because I don't think he showered00:05:43
himself in any glory this year. Uh,00:05:47
explain why you think I'm wrong.00:05:50
>> Well, honestly,00:05:53
I always say my fight as an American Jew00:05:55
is to make sure that Israel and Jews are00:05:57
safe and there's not all this false00:05:59
information going around in America. But00:06:01
needless to say, Israel is very00:06:03
>> torn between supporting Netanyahu or00:06:05
not. There's a joke that Israelis00:06:06
support Trump more than they support00:06:08
their own prime minister, which right00:06:10
now definitely feels that way in Israel.00:06:12
Um, I will add I don't think Netanyahu00:06:14
gets any credit when he does something00:06:16
right at all. I think whether it's00:06:18
something as precise as a beeper attack,00:06:20
he'll never get the pat on the back for00:06:21
doing things the right way, when it's00:06:22
his involvement in signing the agreement00:06:24
and it's Hamas who wasn't signing it, BB00:06:26
will always take the hits for that. Now00:06:28
whether you like him or not, I just feel00:06:29
like you need to give credit where it's00:06:31
due. >> But I think to be honest, I thought I00:06:33
thought Emily he did get a lot of credit00:06:34
for the Hezbollah pager attack that was00:06:37
widely00:06:38
>> would like to have thought so. But I00:06:40
would I would just just to finish that00:06:41
point, I would say that he was widely00:06:43
credited with having launched a very00:06:45
precise, very carefully planned,00:06:48
expertly executed uh dismantling of00:06:51
Hezbollah using pages that did not lead00:06:55
to mass civilian casualties. Similarly,00:06:57
I thought the attack on Iran, which many00:07:00
people thought would be catastrophic and00:07:02
launched World War II and so on,00:07:04
actually turned out to be a short-lived00:07:07
uh war, which was very precise again in00:07:10
his targeting uh and again did not00:07:12
involve mass civilian casualties. The00:07:15
problem comes with the way he has00:07:17
prosecuted the war in Gaza, which has00:07:20
been to do none of those things. To be00:07:22
not remotely surgical, but to be in many00:07:25
people's eyes utterly indiscriminate,00:07:27
leveling 80% of Gaza to the point of00:07:31
total destruction, killing 670,00000:07:34
people, including many tens of thousands00:07:37
of civilians, including over 20,00000:07:38
kids. It seems to be a completely00:07:41
different way of waging war against your00:07:43
enemy to the way that he has rightly in00:07:46
my opinion got due credit for the way he00:07:49
dealt with Iran and Hezbollah.00:07:52
>> Yeah, I'm a I'm a numbers girl. I like00:07:54
to think not emotionally but with facts.00:07:56
And I recently found something really00:07:58
interesting and I'd love to hear your00:07:59
opinion on it. According to UNRA's00:08:01
numbers, which I'm reluctant to trust to00:08:03
begin with, according to them, 73,00000:08:07
structures were destroyed. Right.00:08:09
68,000 people were dead. By the way,00:08:11
I'll add the Hamas spokesman said 58,00000:08:14
militants were killed. So, that math is00:08:16
not really making sense. But per UNRA00:08:19
numbers, if that is in fact true, and00:08:20
there were 73,000 structures destroyed00:08:23
and 68,000 people dead, then their ratio00:08:26
of uh structure to person, I'm talking00:08:29
buildings was less than one person. It's00:08:32
0.9 people per00:08:33
>> Emily, you Emily, you've seen the00:08:35
pictures. You've seen, I mean, look, one00:08:37
of my biggest bug bears about this is00:08:39
Netanyahu refusing to this day to allow00:08:43
international journalists to operate00:08:44
freely in Gaza to verify what's been00:08:47
going on there. But we've all seen the00:08:49
very few aerial shots that have come out00:08:52
in the last few weeks and months, and00:08:54
they've been utterly devastating. You00:08:56
know, this idea there are just a few00:08:58
structures or one for one and so on.00:09:01
It's for the birds. They have leveled00:09:03
threearters of Gaza.00:09:06
Pierce, I I can't deny the facts. I've00:09:08
saw the videos of Gaza. Anyone who's00:09:10
denying that it's inhabitable is lying00:09:12
to you. However, I will add that when00:09:15
Hamas has done a phenomenal job since00:09:18
'05, embedding themselves into civilian00:09:21
infrastructure, into schools, into00:09:23
nurseries, into hospitals. Alsha00:09:25
Hospital was a Hamas HQ for God's sake.00:09:28
They don't really leave Israel with much00:09:29
of a choice. Listen, I know you're00:09:31
critical of Netanyahu, but I've yet to00:09:33
hear anyone give me a better answer than00:09:35
if they were in your shoes and you are00:09:37
fighting a military that has fully00:09:39
embedded themselves into infrastructure00:09:42
that belongs to civilians. Do you now00:09:44
lose a war and surrender because they've00:09:47
made it really, really difficult to00:09:48
attack? I'll tell you what Israel has00:09:50
done. They've done them the courtesy of00:09:52
dropping leaflets every single time00:09:54
they're going to make a strike. Which,00:09:56
by the way, I'll add, no other military00:09:58
will ever do that in any form of war.00:10:01
They have let aid in despite people00:10:03
denying that. That's a fact. They've let00:10:04
tons of food and aid in. Again, no other00:10:07
military will ever do that.00:10:08
>> Well, they waged waged a three month00:10:10
well, hang on. They waged a three-month00:10:12
illegal blockade of food and aid um in00:10:15
February this year which was a breach of00:10:18
all conventions and is in my opinion was00:10:20
a war crime. I mean I think a lot of00:10:22
>> before those three months blockade they00:10:24
allowed enough aid in to last them.00:10:26
>> Well, you know what? It should never00:10:27
have happened. It was that you cannot do00:10:29
that. >> Why is it Israel's responsibility to00:10:31
feed them to begin with if they're in a00:10:32
war? >> It's not. It's a war crime. It's a war00:10:35
crime to have a blockade. That's the00:10:37
point. >> October 7th was a war crime, too.00:10:40
Yes, you won't get any but Emily, you00:10:42
won't get any argument from me. I've00:10:45
always I've always said that Hamas are a00:10:47
despicable terror group who committed00:10:49
one of the worst atrocities of modern00:10:50
times and they can have no role in in00:10:53
Gaza going forward.00:10:56
It's not just how the news is told, but00:10:57
what's left out, which concerns me. And00:10:59
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It is incumbent on the only democracy in00:12:06
the region to actually behave at a00:12:09
higher level. And I've always taken00:12:10
issue with Israel's claim that they00:12:13
behaved on a on a superior moral plinth00:12:16
to any standing army. I just, you know,00:12:19
I disagree with you. Well, the best way00:12:20
to prove it is to let the journalists00:12:21
in. It's very easy to make all sorts of00:12:23
claims. journalists will have died in00:12:25
Gaza because when they are going to00:12:27
announce that they're striking and Hamas00:12:29
is not going to allow people but that's00:12:31
not00:12:32
>> would have given a journalist of fleeing00:12:34
>> Emily that's not the concern of the00:12:36
Israeli government. They're not00:12:38
concerned about the safety and welfare00:12:40
of journalists. It is down to the00:12:41
individual media companies who employ00:12:44
these journalists about their risk00:12:45
assessment. But the the fact remains00:12:47
that no journalists from CNN, from BBC,00:12:50
from Reuters, from AP, from any00:12:52
reputable news agencies are allowed into00:12:54
Gaza to report freely on what's00:12:55
happened. And until they are, the00:12:57
suspicion remains that they are up to00:12:59
stuff which they don't want the world to00:13:01
see. So we will see. I fe I fear I fear00:13:04
we're going to uncover a lot of very00:13:06
>> coming out of Gaza left and right. I00:13:08
think the safety of the journalists was00:13:09
their concern.00:13:10
>> Well, they killed they've killed a00:13:11
record well they've killed a record00:13:12
number of journalists in in on00:13:14
Palestinian journalists. So I don't00:13:16
think I don't think they actually00:13:17
>> unfortunately pierce in Gaza they throw00:13:18
on a vest that says journalist00:13:20
>> but actually many of them Emily many of00:13:22
them were genuine journalists who were00:13:24
not members of Hamas who were brutally00:13:27
killed and that isn't00:13:28
>> Are you aware Israel drops leaflets00:13:30
every time they're going to commit an00:13:31
air strike and Hamas does not let them00:13:33
evacuate.00:13:34
>> I I listen you not you won't get me00:13:36
defending Hamas about any of this but00:13:37
the idea that all the 200 the idea that00:13:40
all the 200 plus journalists had it00:13:42
coming because they were fake00:13:43
journalists is [ __ ] I never said00:13:44
that.00:13:45
>> Well, you're implying it when you're00:13:46
saying they're wearing the shirt.00:13:47
>> The journalists, they all had working00:13:49
cell phones. By the way, the claim that00:13:51
Gaza has no electricity was completely a00:13:53
lie. The leaflets warned them. They00:13:55
literally had sirens letting them know00:13:56
to leave. How much more of a warning00:13:59
should Israel give before they're going00:14:01
to strike? Which again, I'm going to00:14:02
>> Well, it's more Okay, I'm going to bring00:14:04
other panelists in. I think it's more00:14:06
not about the warnings. It's more about00:14:08
how much more bombing does it take to00:14:10
make your point. Uh, let me bring in00:14:12
Tara Pome. I mean, Tara, this has been a00:14:15
very, you know, I've tried to be fair00:14:17
with this war from the start. I always00:14:19
recognized Israel's right to defend00:14:20
itself. I thought felt it had a duty to00:14:22
defend itself. I think any other country00:14:25
in the world that was attacked in that00:14:26
way would have done uh something00:14:28
similar, certainly early on. It's the00:14:30
scale of what happened particularly this00:14:32
year uh to me became increasingly00:14:35
indefensible when you start blockading00:14:37
and starving a popular civilian00:14:39
population in the way that Israel was00:14:41
doing uh when you just carry on just00:14:43
relentless bombardment and destroying00:14:46
most of Gaza. uh and when you're not00:14:48
achieving your aims of hostage uh00:14:50
release or defeating Hamas, none of this00:14:52
made any sense to me. And when you have00:14:54
people like Smodri and Ben on the00:14:56
Israeli government, you know, openly00:14:58
talking about ethnic cleansing, kicking00:15:00
all the Palestinians out and taking the00:15:02
land, I began to feel that the mission00:15:04
the mission creep was changing very very00:15:07
fast. What is I mean that's why I'm so00:15:09
thrilled that we got to where we did00:15:11
today really, you know, unexpectedly.00:15:14
But what is your overview about this00:15:15
war?00:15:17
I I agree with you. If there was nothing00:15:19
to hide, then why not let international00:15:22
journalists in? I mean, international00:15:24
journalists have covered every war.00:15:25
They're covering the the war in Ukraine,00:15:28
Iraq, Afghanistan. They take risks, they00:15:31
die. But that is the way that people00:15:33
find out what is actually happening on00:15:35
the ground there. uh the fact that you00:15:37
couldn't get aid, the blockades, people00:15:41
traveling for miles, for days for for00:15:43
just um like chickpeas. I I interviewed00:15:47
uh a father in in Gaza that was00:15:50
traveling for days for that. It's just00:15:51
it's just so inhumane that it's hard to00:15:54
even remember the start of the war why00:15:56
this even started which was an00:15:58
incredible aggression horrible act of00:16:01
Hamas um you know just attacking Israel00:16:04
brutally stealing these host uh stealing00:16:06
hostages and and killing them. But then00:16:09
when you get into the the the atrocities00:16:12
against the Palestinian people and how00:16:14
many children have died, you've you've00:16:16
really lost the plot in so many ways.00:16:18
And then, you know, there are some these00:16:20
videos where you see Benjamin Netanyahu00:16:23
sort of like berating these creators00:16:25
that are pro um Israel um pro and and00:16:29
they're saying you have to be you have00:16:31
to um you really have to protect us more00:16:34
in the press. You have to be pushing our00:16:36
side more and more. You realize it's00:16:38
really become a propaganda game in a00:16:40
way. And and Israel lost. I mean the the00:16:43
rest of the world is condemning them for00:16:46
war crimes. you know, UN organizations00:16:48
saying it's a genocide. I don't It's a00:16:51
wonderful day that the hostages have00:16:53
been returned. It's an amazing day. It's00:16:55
an amazing celebration. But I do think00:16:58
that, you know, we h we can't look at00:17:00
Netanyahu as some sort of hero in all of00:17:02
this.00:17:03
>> Uh we have to understand that00:17:07
we could we could I think I mean one of00:17:09
my biggest problems with the way00:17:12
>> on both sides I've had this right. So00:17:14
early on when I was defending Israel's00:17:16
right to defend itself, I had a lot of00:17:17
extremists on the Palestinian side00:17:19
saying I was a pro-Zionist monster and00:17:21
so on. And then this year I've had the00:17:24
complete reverse where I've had very00:17:26
extreme Zionists who have come for me in00:17:29
big numbers. And their tactic has been00:17:31
to brand any criticism of Netanyahu or00:17:34
his government, which some of whom are00:17:36
absolute headbangers like Benuis Modri,00:17:39
that if you criticize them at all, you00:17:40
must be anti-semitic. you must hate00:17:42
Jewish people. I found that00:17:44
>> as a Jew, I want to say that's foolish.00:17:46
Yeah. I don't correlate criticism with00:17:48
anti-semitism. I just want to make that00:17:49
very clear.00:17:50
>> I know. And I I know you would never do00:17:51
that, but you've seen I'm sure you've00:17:52
seen it, Emily. It is. It's been a00:17:54
really insidious thing to have to00:17:56
experience because I have never had00:17:59
anything but positive thoughts about00:18:01
Jewish people, about Israel. Actually, I00:18:03
love the country. I've been there. Um,00:18:05
and the idea that you can't criticize a00:18:07
government. I made the point I I led the00:18:10
campaign against the Iraq war in the UK.00:18:12
Um I was running the Daily Mirror00:18:13
newspaper which was a Labour supporting00:18:15
paper. I took on the Labour Prime00:18:17
Minister Tony Blair. Um it didn't mean I00:18:19
hated the the British people or that I00:18:21
hated my country. It just meant I hated00:18:24
what my government was doing in my name.00:18:25
So this kind of thing that you must be a00:18:27
Jew hater if you criticize Netanyahu I00:18:30
found disgusting. Um Brandon, let me00:18:32
bring you in here. There's been an00:18:34
interesting split in Trump's support.00:18:37
Um, you know, the the base seems to me00:18:40
the MAGA base is increasingly00:18:42
anti-Israel. We see that with Tucker00:18:44
Carlson, with Candace Owens, and others.00:18:47
Uh, others are very much pro-Israel, but00:18:50
there's a real split there. What's that00:18:52
about?00:18:53
>> Well, let me correct you on that. I00:18:55
don't think it's anti-Israel. A lot of00:18:57
is anti-Semitic. I mean, people are00:18:59
losing their minds. And I almost had a00:19:02
stroke listening to the capitulation to00:19:05
the foolery in Gaza and Israel. Israel00:19:09
don't owe them anything. Why are we Why00:19:11
are we confused about this? They came00:19:13
over and they slaughtered all these00:19:15
people. They took people hostage. They00:19:17
don't owe them nothing. They could00:19:18
starve him to death if they wanted to.00:19:20
That's their decision in my personal00:19:22
opinion because they're reasonable. They00:19:24
sent out leaflets and the lies about the00:19:27
media. They don't allow journalists in.00:19:29
Where do you see where's all this00:19:30
propaganda coming from?00:19:31
>> They don't allow I see videos of kids. I00:19:33
see buildings coming down. They don't00:19:36
allow it. Look00:19:38
>> well listen but real is actually a fact.00:19:41
They don't allow journalists here in00:19:43
unless unless you are a friendly00:19:44
journalist embedded with the IDF. You're00:19:46
not allowed in.00:19:47
>> It's inconsequential because00:19:50
how do we know the truth?00:19:51
>> I believe it's inconsequential. You know00:19:53
the truth. You see a propaganda coming00:19:55
out of out of out of uh Gaza. You see in00:19:57
China [laughter] and people are00:19:59
complaining. Propaganda is not people00:20:01
complaining.00:20:02
>> I see propaganda on all sides and in my00:20:04
experience of propaganding war the only00:20:07
truth00:20:09
the only way Brandon the only way to00:20:11
count counter propaganda from all sides00:20:14
in a war because it comes from all00:20:15
sides. The only way is to allow00:20:18
independent journalists to do their00:20:19
jobs.00:20:20
>> They're not they don't do their job in00:20:22
America. So what they lie every day in00:20:24
America. So, I'm not I don't really care00:20:25
about that. At the end of the day, we00:20:27
will see now that the war is over. Let's00:20:28
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>> And so what I'm saying is that I think00:21:26
it's inconsequential. I think people are00:21:27
jumping up. They don't have to feed00:21:29
these people. They could have starved00:21:30
them to death if they wanted to, but00:21:32
they didn't. They were a war crime. They00:21:34
were kept it. You could say it's a war00:21:35
crime anyway. I'm not saying they came00:21:37
all these innocent people in Israel. But00:21:39
Brandon, it would be a war crime. You00:21:41
could say it doesn't matter. They killed00:21:43
all these people. Hamas is00:21:47
themselves. Hamas is embedding00:21:49
themselves in the population.00:21:50
>> Hamas are disgusting. Hamas are00:21:52
disgusting and they commit war crimes.00:21:55
But the idea to do, Pierce, how do you00:21:58
fight a war? I'm sorry. When they're00:21:59
embedded in the people, sorry, but you00:22:01
know, there are international rules00:22:03
relating to warfare and if Israel breaks00:22:06
them, they are as Netanyahu as Hamas or00:22:08
anybody else.00:22:09
>> Commit war crime. Did Netanyahu commit00:22:11
war crimes trying to fight this war?00:22:12
When you have Hamas embedded in00:22:14
>> I believe he may well have done. Yes, I00:22:16
do believe that. What else is he going00:22:18
to do then? Not fight.00:22:19
>> No, no, you can fight, but you have to00:22:20
abide by the rules of of war.00:22:22
>> But what are you going to do that?00:22:23
>> This is why we have the rules. Nobody's00:22:26
answering his question. This is why we00:22:27
had the Geneva This is why we had the00:22:29
Geneva Convention set up after World War00:22:31
II because Brandon after World War II,00:22:35
they set up a Geneva Convention because00:22:37
the world concluded that a lot of the00:22:39
stuff that went on in World War II00:22:41
simply crossed a line and therefore for00:22:44
future wars and conflicts, you had to00:22:46
have rules of engagement recognized by00:22:48
the international community. And if you00:22:50
don't have those, then anything goes00:22:52
that anyone can do anything. And you,00:22:54
I'm sure, would agree would agree with00:22:55
me. I agree that way that way insanity00:22:59
lies, right? And total mayhem.00:23:00
>> I agree, Pierce. But I think that this00:23:02
was a unique situation where you're00:23:04
fighting the enemy that's embedded in00:23:06
with the people. They literally have00:23:07
headquarters at at hospitals. They're00:23:10
having military weapons and doing all00:23:12
this stuff. Some of their journalists00:23:13
are terrorists. Some of the people are00:23:15
terrorists. They're not even fighting00:23:16
with uniforms on. How do we even know00:23:18
who's a combatant and who's not a00:23:19
combatant? When they release the results00:23:21
of how many people that died, they're00:23:22
not telling you how many people are00:23:23
combatant. When they say that there's00:23:25
children that died, the range of00:23:26
children is from 17 all the way down.00:23:28
How how do we know how many 17 year olds00:23:30
that they've recruited to fight on the00:23:32
side of Hamas? So it it is ridiculous to00:23:36
actually find that out. If we had00:23:38
journalists in thereact00:23:40
the journalist going to have a birth00:23:42
hand, give me a break.00:23:43
>> No, if we had if we had journalists in00:23:45
there that were from every country all00:23:48
over, you can have you can have your00:23:49
dispute with American journalists. You00:23:51
don't think they're00:23:52
>> independent dead. They will be getting00:23:53
killed. They will be dead. They will be00:23:55
starving.00:23:56
>> Brandon Brandon, let me just interject00:23:57
for a sec. I want to point something00:23:58
out. I noticed after the ceasefire is00:24:01
that before the ceasefire, if you looked00:24:03
at videos of Gaza, it appears plenty of00:24:04
them were coming out, not from00:24:06
journalists, from civilians in Gaza. You00:24:08
saw no men in uniform. It's almost like00:24:12
Hamas did not exist in Gaza. I actually00:24:14
thought Israel had gotten rid of them.00:24:16
Suddenly, after Israel withdrew its00:24:18
troops, every single man, actually, let00:24:21
me add, teenager and adult man suddenly00:24:24
has a machine gun and is in uniform.00:24:26
Excuse me, the woman in the red, I00:24:27
forgot your name. Actually, really00:24:28
respect your opinion. But I do believe00:24:31
that00:24:32
>> these Hamas militants, if you're a00:24:34
journalist in Gaza and they're dressed00:24:35
as regular innocent civilians, you don't00:24:38
know who's who. So, what are they going00:24:39
to do? Okay, you look like a normal kid.00:24:41
You look like a normal kid. You could be00:24:42
Hamas. I'm not sure. They were00:24:44
literally, as Brandon's trying to say,00:24:46
embedding themselves in civilians, not00:24:48
just resources, in uniform as well.00:24:51
>> They obviously were they obviously were00:24:52
doing all of those things. Let me bring00:24:53
in Nadine. Nadine, you and I have talked00:24:55
a lot during this war. Um, often in some00:24:58
very contentious circumstances, but00:25:00
today, how do you feel? I mean, the war00:25:03
appears to have ended for now.00:25:05
Palestinians are returning to what00:25:08
remains of their homes. they appears to00:25:11
be a joyous feeling of at least the war00:25:14
is over and they can try and get get00:25:17
back to their lives. They haven't been00:25:18
expelled uh as many many on the Israeli00:25:22
government would have liked to seen. So00:25:24
do you give Trump any credit for this?00:25:28
>> I mean I sincerely hope that the you00:25:30
know war is over. Palestinians have been00:25:33
through enough through starvation,00:25:35
famine, entire bloodlines wiped out,00:25:37
families that'll never be, you know, the00:25:40
same again. And, you know, I just think,00:25:42
um, these ceasefires aren't necessarily00:25:44
proof of peace. Um, so far, they've just00:25:47
been pauses in the project of genocide00:25:49
and ethnic cleansing that began over 7500:25:51
years ago with the NECBA and continues00:25:54
today. Under Trump, countless of00:25:56
Palestinians were killed. They were00:25:57
starved. They were displaced. And the00:25:59
so-called ceasefire plan didn't even00:26:01
include Palestinians uh negotiators at00:26:04
all in the construction of the plan.00:26:06
Instead, Palestinians were forced into00:26:08
submission through starvation, blockade,00:26:11
and these um US administered Gaza00:26:14
humanitarian fund sites where people00:26:15
were rounded up and targeted by00:26:17
Islamophobic biker gangs. And now part00:26:20
of these deals demand the disarmament of00:26:22
Hamas, which is literally impossible00:26:24
since most of the weapons that Hamas00:26:26
happens now were delivered by Israel00:26:28
itself in the form of unexloded00:26:30
ordinances and munitions dropped on00:26:32
Gaza. So it feels like, you know, this00:26:34
is all just a setup to extract the00:26:37
hostages, which Hamas said early on in00:26:39
October 2023 that they were willing to00:26:42
release all of the civilian hostages um00:26:44
in order to just continue killing people00:26:46
in Gaza. Um, you know, just last night,00:26:48
another Palestinian was killed, was shot00:26:51
by Israel. Um, and also proxy, uh, you00:26:54
know, uh, militias that are being funded00:26:56
and protected by Israel in Gaza are also00:26:59
continuing to kill Palestinians like the00:27:01
Palestinian journalist Salahawi00:27:04
um, who was murdered. And I think00:27:05
another thing that is important to00:27:07
mention here is that Israel systematic,00:27:10
you are compuls,000, $7,000, we get it.00:27:13
You get your paycheck getting paid who's00:27:16
getting paid $7,000. Let me finish up00:27:21
mentioned that Israel systematically00:27:23
destroyed more hospitals, schools, water00:27:25
and sanitation systems, power and other00:27:28
essential infrastructure right before00:27:30
withdrawing from Gazda, leaving the00:27:34
Okay, don't all talk at once. Nadine,00:27:36
let me ask you a question. Out of00:27:38
interest, what should Israel have done00:27:40
on October the 8th by way of responding00:27:42
to the worst terror attack in modern00:27:44
times?00:27:45
>> What should Palestinians have done to00:27:47
respond? That wasn't [laughter] my00:27:48
question. What a constant killing my00:27:50
question. What should Israel have done?00:27:52
>> They're not. Is she your lawyer? I'm not00:27:53
sure why she's continuously interrupting00:27:55
me. I know you get $7,000 to sit here00:27:58
and spew propaganda, but that's not00:28:00
going to work.00:28:01
>> Aren't you a lawyer? Don't you know what00:28:02
defamation is? Do you have any proof00:28:04
that I have ever gotten one penny from00:28:06
Israel? No.00:28:07
>> If you're going to make an accusation,00:28:09
back it up with facts. Do you have one00:28:11
one receipt that I received $1 from00:28:14
Israel? Are you just yapping respond to00:28:16
his question right now? I know. I00:28:17
[laughter] think it's a fairation.00:28:19
Hang on. It's a fair question. Nadine,00:28:21
you made an al you made an allegation00:28:23
against Emily that she's taken money to00:28:26
talk up for Israel. Do you have any00:28:28
proof of that?00:28:29
This is widely reported and I would like00:28:32
to actually focus on the question that00:28:33
you talked about in regards to I want to00:28:35
focus on the allegations at the end of00:28:36
the day I don't just for the record00:28:38
Emily have you accepted have you have00:28:39
you been paid Emily to talk up in Israel00:28:42
favor zero nothing00:28:43
>> okay so we've clarified that Nadine00:28:46
answer my question though what should00:28:47
Israel not not the Palestinians what00:28:50
should Israel have done after this00:28:52
appalling terror attack00:28:54
>> I think the only way that there can be00:28:56
peace in the Holy Land is through00:28:58
accountab ability and through justice,00:29:00
not through genocide. By committing this00:29:02
genocide, Israel hasn't00:29:04
>> But I'm talking about the attempted00:29:05
genocide that Hamas waged. So, let's00:29:08
talk about that first, right? What00:29:10
should Israel have done following the00:29:12
mass murder of,200 of its people, the00:29:15
wounding and maming of 7,000 more, and00:29:18
the kidnapping of over 250, including00:29:21
hol holocaust survivors and babies. What00:29:24
should Israel have done? What would have00:29:26
been the proportionate correct response00:29:28
by Israel after that attack?00:29:31
>> Negotiating a hostage exchange in return00:29:34
for the Palestinian hostages would have00:29:37
saved a lot of bloodshed on both sides.00:29:40
And let's not forget that Israel00:29:41
employed the Hannibal directive on00:29:43
October 7th. Much of the damage that00:29:46
have been done could only have been00:29:47
carried out by Apache helicopters. And00:29:50
you know, >> all right. But do you think what do you00:29:52
think what Hamas did? Okay. But do you00:29:53
think what Hamas did on October the 7th00:29:55
was justified?00:29:57
>> You constantly ask me this question00:29:59
every time I come on your show as some00:30:01
sort of gotcha. You know, I think that00:30:03
repression and oppression breeds00:30:05
resistance. I'm not living at the00:30:08
opposite end of a barrel of an Israeli00:30:10
gun. I'm not having my home destroyed to00:30:12
rubble. So, I'm not going to tell people00:30:14
that have constantly faced this prior to00:30:16
October 7, 2023 that, you know,00:30:18
resisting it is wrong or how they00:30:20
resisted is wrong. That's not my place.00:30:22
>> A terror attack is not resistance. It's00:30:24
a terror attack.00:30:25
>> Pierce. Pierce, clear. Palestinian.00:30:27
>> This young lady is a This young lady is00:30:30
a propagandist. >> How should Israel does not have common00:30:33
sense? >> I'm asking you peers now. How should00:30:35
Palestinians respond to 75 years of00:30:38
displacement for 75 years of00:30:41
displacement? It's not just a few00:30:42
months. Okay, it's funny. You're such a00:30:44
hypocrite. You're talking about me00:30:46
interrupting you and now you're00:30:47
constantly interrupting me. Persp00:30:52
Gaza, to the destruction of refugee00:30:55
camps in the West Bank, to the denial of00:30:57
the right of return, to countless war00:31:00
crimes. How should the Palestinians00:31:01
responded to that? Well,00:31:02
>> my answer in people [laughter] is My00:31:04
answer is protest.00:31:06
>> My answer is that committing a terrorist00:31:08
attack of that magnitude is never ever00:31:11
resistance or00:31:12
>> defense answer. So how how should they00:31:14
resist? You're just saying what they00:31:15
shouldn't.00:31:16
>> I'm making the point that an act of00:31:17
terrorism is never the correct response.00:31:20
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>> The correct response.00:32:23
>> Let me bring Brandon in here. Brandon.00:32:25
>> Okay. Answer the question that you tried00:32:27
to ask me. >> I want everybody to get a chance. This00:32:29
young lady is clearly a propagandist.00:32:31
She will not deny or will not say that00:32:34
Hamas is a terrorist organization and00:32:35
they killed innocent people and then she00:32:38
want Hamas to be uh fighting and killing00:32:41
innocent people and then when Israel00:32:42
come back and whoop their socks off she00:32:44
has she act like it's a genocide. They00:32:46
haven't been committing a genocide. I00:32:48
don't know what world you live in or any00:32:50
other person that's living in that think00:32:51
this is a genocide. You don't feed00:32:53
people in a genocide00:32:56
in a genocide.00:32:57
>> The population doesn't grow during the00:32:59
genocide. 75 years the population has00:33:02
grown. What are you saying? Are you guys00:33:04
smoking or what? 75 years the population00:33:06
have grown. That's not a genocide.00:33:08
>> Not what the definition of genocide00:33:11
genocide. You clearly can't even define00:33:13
I tell you what name another genocide.00:33:15
Let me let me let me let me just say let00:33:17
me just say something. The reality and00:33:20
the reality and I've learned this by00:33:21
talking to genocide scholars is that no00:33:25
country or state has ever been found00:33:27
guilty of waging a genocide. I was00:33:29
surprised by that. I didn't know that00:33:31
the bar for a genocide is extremely00:33:34
high. And that's why so far no country00:33:37
has ever been found guilty or convicted00:33:40
of committing or waging a genocide. I00:33:43
didn't know that before this war broke00:33:45
out, but I do know that now. So the bar00:33:47
is very very high for a even in Rwanda,00:33:50
they did not in the end classify that as00:33:53
a genocide. Now we might have a view we00:33:56
might have a view that that's wrong. But00:33:57
I my view of what has happened in Israel00:34:00
is that if you believe people like00:34:01
Modric and Bengavir, they were operating00:34:04
on a basis of ethnic cleansing. Seizing00:34:06
the opportunity created by this00:34:08
appalling attack to actually expel00:34:10
Palestinians, kick them out of their00:34:12
homes and take their land. That's ethnic00:34:14
cleansing. But I wouldn't categorize00:34:16
that as a genocide, which is how many00:34:18
people have tried to make me call it.00:34:20
But that's my explanation. Let me bring00:34:22
Destiny back. You've been waiting. I've00:34:23
got to say unusually patiently, Destiny,00:34:25
which I appreciate. Um, look, what00:34:28
people are talking about now is the00:34:30
future, whether there can be lasting00:34:33
peace. If it turns out this is the00:34:35
catalyst for lasting peace, and a lot of00:34:37
that may come down to the Arab and00:34:39
Muslim countries here who seem to be00:34:41
very actively involved in trying to uh00:34:44
get a lasting peace through this. Um,00:34:46
how much credit would you give Donald00:34:48
Trump? Should he get the Nobel Peace00:34:49
Prize next year? Many thought he00:34:51
deserved it this year. Um, you know, it00:34:53
is unusual to have a Republican American00:34:55
president who wants to forge peace, not00:34:58
war. U, but he talks about peace all the00:35:01
time. He's trying to find it in Ukraine.00:35:03
He's he seems to have found it in the00:35:05
Middle East. You know, I'm not sure what00:35:06
else he has to do given that Barack00:35:08
Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize eight00:35:11
months into his tenure in his first00:35:13
presidency for basically making a couple00:35:16
of fancy speeches. But it seems people00:35:18
don't want to give him the Nobel Peace00:35:19
Prize because he's Donald Trump.00:35:21
>> Yeah. Yeah, I don't think Donald Trump00:35:22
has an interest in peace. He just wants00:35:23
to get rid of problems and move on to00:35:25
the next thing. Um, again, we already00:35:27
had peace in the Middle East with the00:35:28
Abraham Accords, and we saw where that00:35:29
led. Now, we've got whatever the00:35:30
ceasefire is. The 20point plan, I think,00:35:33
is kind of a joke. Um, I mean, he came00:35:35
in saying that he was going to figure00:35:36
out all these issues on day one. He00:35:38
hasn't. He let Israel wage basically00:35:40
maximally the war they wanted to wage.00:35:41
They were able to eliminate essentially00:35:43
every enemy, all the top grass in Hamas00:35:45
like twice. Uh, you know, they bombed00:35:48
Qatar. They got the United States to00:35:49
bomb Iran. They, you know, Syrian regime00:35:51
Bashar al-Assad, you know, his regime00:35:53
collapsed, they killed Nashallah, they00:35:54
got, you know, rid of Hezbollah. The00:35:56
idea that Trump has come in and brokered00:35:57
peace after Israel has essentially00:35:59
eliminated all enemies. And then the00:36:01
peace that was brokered is this insanely00:36:03
one-sided favorable deal to the00:36:04
Israelis. I mean, I feel like they're00:36:06
just setting themselves up for some00:36:08
other terrorist attack in the future,00:36:09
and then we're all going to be00:36:10
scratching our heads, looking around00:36:11
like, I can't believe this is happening00:36:12
again.00:36:13
>> Tara,00:36:14
>> Destiny, you won. You have Trump00:36:15
derangement syndrome. Congratulations.00:36:17
You win this. At least Destiny's here00:36:19
prepared to talk about it. I mean, the00:36:21
people >> You know what? Nadine is right. $7,000.00:36:23
I see it now. There's the00:36:25
>> Is that a monthly payment or a yearly00:36:27
payment?00:36:28
>> Honestly, I wish I got it. I really,00:36:29
really wish I did. If someone else is00:36:31
making it, I would love the directions00:36:32
of how I can get the money, too. But00:36:34
thus far, I haven't been offered nor00:36:36
have I received. But thank you again for00:36:38
a baseless accusation.00:36:39
>> Although, to be clear, you just00:36:41
basically accused me of having Trump00:36:42
derangement syndrome. I think my00:36:43
criticism is pretty pointed. There is no00:36:45
concrete plan for what this is going to00:36:46
look like afterwards. Israel got to end00:36:48
the war. They got to eliminate all00:36:49
enemies. They're getting to do damage to00:36:52
the infrastructure of >> By the way, they didn't. Hamas is00:36:54
everywhere. All over Gaza, flaunting how00:36:56
they've won this. >> What has Israel been doing for two00:36:58
years? They're still everywhere. How00:36:59
many more places do they need to bomb?00:37:02
>> Do you see the videos coming out of Gaza00:37:04
that Hamas is cheering and parading?00:37:06
>> Well, then I don't know how much more00:37:08
time you need. I don't know how many00:37:09
more bombs you have to drop. Like I00:37:10
mean, at some point you have to your war00:37:12
is over. Like you figured it out. Like00:37:13
you can't00:37:14
>> At some point Hamas needs to surrender00:37:15
and like demilitarize. Did you ever00:37:17
think about that?00:37:18
>> Oh, well, a complete senator00:37:19
demilitarized would have been a good00:37:20
thing for Trump to arrange more than,00:37:21
you know, a year into his presidency.00:37:23
So, that's why I don't give him any00:37:24
credit for it.00:37:25
>> All right, Tara, let me bring you in00:37:27
here because you're probably, I would00:37:29
say, the neutral member of the panel in00:37:31
many ways. Um, it does seem there is a00:37:33
double standard about Trump, Nobel Peace00:37:36
Prize, credit forging peace. I mean, do00:37:40
you think there is a double standard?00:37:42
I do think, you know, like you said,00:37:44
noted that President Obama got the Nobel00:37:46
Peace Prize in eight months. It's00:37:48
probably more of a symbol in a lot of00:37:50
ways than what it actually represents.00:37:53
Will this actually lead to peace? I00:37:55
think he should apply again because the00:37:57
application date was around January when00:37:59
he was not even inaugurated. How could00:38:01
he be, you know, um, how could he put00:38:03
his name forward before he's even00:38:05
president yet? And even in this case,00:38:07
it's a little early days. I think we00:38:08
need to see if there is actual peace. I00:38:11
mean, next week, this could all be00:38:13
broken. Uh, as we've said, Hamas has yet00:38:17
to give up its arms. Gaza is still00:38:20
occupied by Israel.00:38:21
>> There are lots of unanswered questions.00:38:23
I do I do find it I do find it00:38:24
extraordinary that Bernie Sanders, for00:38:26
example, so vocal about Trump, right?00:38:29
Last week, in the last seven days, 1600:38:32
anti-Trump posts on his ex account. He00:38:34
hasn't mentioned the Middle East at all.00:38:38
Bernie Sanders, a man who ran for00:38:39
president, hugely uh big figure in the00:38:42
United States political arena, hasn't00:38:45
mentioned this on his feed. All he's00:38:46
done is relentless Trump bashing about00:38:49
other stuff. And I'm like, you know,00:38:50
it's so transparent that, you know, you00:38:52
talk about Trump derangement syndrome.00:38:54
How does that manifest itself? If you00:38:56
are a senior politician in the United00:38:58
States and you can't find it in00:39:00
yourself, even Hillary Clinton gave00:39:02
Trump credit for this because she knows00:39:04
how difficult it is to get to this00:39:07
place. You know, I just think to Bernie00:39:09
Sanders, I asked him directly, you know,00:39:11
what's stopping you saying something?00:39:13
Anything? You're very vocal all day long00:39:15
about Trump. And the reason is he00:39:17
doesn't want to say anything positive00:39:19
about Trump. So, we'd rather not talk00:39:21
about this incredibly historic moment in00:39:24
the Middle East, which is, you know, an00:39:26
example of just how unhinged a lot of00:39:29
Trump's opponents become.00:39:32
>> Well, this is all political theater.00:39:35
>> Well, let let respond.00:39:36
>> Sorry.00:39:37
>> Yeah. I mean, ultimately, I think it's00:39:39
the fact that it feeds President Trump's00:39:41
ego. They find him detestable. The fact00:39:43
that he needs these plottits and awards.00:39:45
They don't like him as a person. It's00:39:46
political obviously, but yeah, this is a00:39:49
big deal. He got Benjamin Netanyahu in00:39:52
the Oval Office to apologize to cutter.00:39:54
He created00:39:56
>> huge he created a relationship with the00:39:59
Israeli prime minister that has that no00:40:01
other president has in in decades. And00:40:04
he was able to almost strongarm this00:40:07
moment that we got to right now. And00:40:09
yes, he deserves credit for it. But the00:40:10
whole question is, does it hold up? And00:40:12
that's why this year-long evaluation for00:40:14
his Nobel Peace Prize makes the most00:40:16
sense. He probably hates that he has to00:40:18
wait for it, but I think it will show if00:40:21
this holds up. And I think00:40:27
>> ah we slightly lost you there Tor00:40:32
we lost you for a couple of secondsated00:40:34
on this issue and that there00:40:36
>> Tara just repeat your last point because00:40:37
you were frozen.00:40:39
>> Oh yeah, I'll just finish on this last00:40:41
point if I have.00:40:42
>> Yeah.00:40:43
>> Yeah. My last point is that I hope that00:40:45
this period of time that it will take00:40:47
for them to decide if he deserves the00:40:49
Nobel Peace Prize will keep him fixed on00:40:51
the Middle East and will not just be00:40:52
something he can check off and you know00:40:55
say I did this that it will make sure00:40:56
that there's actual follow through on00:40:57
this 20point plan.00:40:59
>> Yeah. Brandon, do do you feel there's a00:41:00
double standard when it comes to giving00:41:02
Trump credit for this kind of thing?00:41:04
>> Oh, a thousand%. I mean, I think Trump00:41:07
derangement is a real thing. I think00:41:08
these people if it like for me if there00:41:11
was a Democrat that negotiated this I00:41:13
don't care how much I don't like these00:41:14
Democrats I'd be like this is great man00:41:17
that's a win if Barack Obama does00:41:18
something good that was great I I like00:41:20
when he do things well it's my it's our00:41:22
country so I'm hoping that he went and00:41:24
gets victories but the but you look at00:41:26
it look at what happened Pierce you see00:41:28
people that Trump has negotiated peace00:41:30
the ones who claim it was a genocide and00:41:32
their babies are dying he's gotten it to00:41:34
stop and they won't even celebrate that00:41:36
because they hate him so00:41:38
This should be a celebration at least in00:41:40
part. Donald Trump is not God.00:41:42
>> And and to be honest, the only threat of00:41:45
this backfiring is from the Palestinians00:41:47
and from Hamas. It's not like Israel is00:41:49
going to go back on it. They're going to00:41:50
do another terrorist attack is the fear.00:41:52
But I, you know, I hope that it works00:41:54
and we should all be cheering for it to00:41:56
work. We should all be giving input on,00:41:58
you know, what's the next step here00:42:00
because Trump can't control everything.00:42:02
No, I agree. And also, Emily, I mean, I00:42:05
I just feel that it it gives you much00:42:06
more credibility, whoever you are, if00:42:09
you're prepared to just look at the big00:42:11
picture and give your opponent credit00:42:14
where they deserve it. It just gives you00:42:16
more credibility. You know, I think one00:42:17
of the problems of social media, it's00:42:19
got so tribal and so toxic that even00:42:22
when a new fact comes out about your00:42:24
side, which is obviously very damning or00:42:27
wrong, people will try and pretend it00:42:30
isn't because they think that that shows00:42:32
weakness when in fact to actually00:42:34
criticize your own side from time to00:42:36
time or to credit the other side is a00:42:39
good thing for democracy. And I I I wish00:42:42
we could get back to a place where we00:42:43
could all do that quite freely. I00:42:45
criticize Trump quite regularly, but I00:42:47
praise him quite regularly. Um I think00:42:50
that's the right I was the same with00:42:51
Obama. I just think that is the way that00:42:54
is the way a proper democracy works,00:42:56
right? But when people are so intranged00:42:59
about giving any credit to someone like00:43:01
Donald Trump, whatever he does, I just00:43:03
think they to me they lose credibility.00:43:05
>> I mean I think you can give credit just00:43:06
give credit where credit is due. There's00:43:07
been like six Israel Gaza wars u 200800:43:11
2014 cast led and uh protective edge.00:43:14
These were huge, you know, wars that had00:43:15
ceasefires after them. Uh, this the00:43:17
conflict has been never ending. Well,00:43:20
basically since the inception of of the00:43:22
state of Israel between Israel and00:43:24
>> we've never had this number, Destiny, of00:43:27
Arab and Muslim countries come together00:43:30
to to team up in this way,00:43:32
>> but they haven't come together to team00:43:33
up. The letter that was written, the00:43:35
unifying letter, all of it was we hope00:43:38
that they, you know, abide by00:43:39
international law.00:43:40
>> No, they endorsed the Trump plan though.00:43:42
They not I mean they the words that00:43:44
they're using are saying we hope that00:43:46
something actually comes from this is00:43:48
the this is like all the plans that00:43:49
Trump has all the trade deals. The00:43:51
United States has no trade deals. There00:43:53
is no lasting peace right now between00:43:54
Israel and Gaza. This is like the00:43:56
framework of >> Well, actually America does have a lot00:43:58
of new trade deals with Well, actually00:44:00
it has a lot that is signed. No, that's00:44:02
not true.00:44:03
>> It's true. We have zero. It's absolutely00:44:04
true.00:44:05
>> Well, the UK, you're sitting in the00:44:06
United Kingdom. We have a trade deal.00:44:08
>> You do not have a trade deal. You have00:44:09
No, there is no trade deal. These things00:44:11
are not one page signed and posted on00:44:13
Twitter. They're extensive things that00:44:15
encompass entire markets and have tons00:44:16
of of writing for it. Like there's no00:44:18
trade deal.00:44:19
>> Read a 10% tariff on UK products to00:44:22
United States. That is a trade deal.00:44:24
>> That's not a trade deal. That's an entry00:44:25
on an Excel spreadsheet. A trade deal is00:44:27
a comprehensive market encompassing00:44:29
thing that actually dictates terms that00:44:31
you can rely on for, you know, decades00:44:33
to come. It's not a thing that can00:44:34
change on a whim. But do but do you do00:44:36
you dispute that Trump has managed to00:44:38
negotiate a series of deals with00:44:40
countries which are in terms of tariffs00:44:43
more advantageous now to America than00:44:45
they were in January?00:44:46
>> No. Our prices on everything are going00:44:48
up. >> That wasn't my question.00:44:50
>> No, they're not advantageous. They're00:44:51
hurting the economy in every measurable00:44:52
way.00:44:53
>> Inflation is up. The amount of taxes00:44:55
now. >> Why stock markets at record highs?00:44:57
>> Because the stock market always goes up.00:44:58
It was under It was under record highs00:45:00
under Obama. Of course it does. every00:45:02
president when he launched his when he00:45:04
launched his global tariff war the stock00:45:05
market collapsed00:45:06
>> in the long term now having been00:45:09
promised armageddon within 6 months00:45:11
we've got to the point of 6 months and00:45:13
the stock markets are higher than they00:45:14
were before we launched the tax00:45:15
>> not as high as it should be but the00:45:16
stock market will tend upwards that's00:45:18
how the stock market works this this is00:45:20
the thing it takes time you know like00:45:21
Donald Trump is making an effort to do00:45:23
this and it takes time to come to00:45:25
fruition I hope that you'll be cheering00:45:27
for it to come to fruition and that00:45:28
Donald Trump is going to realize some of00:45:30
these things that he's put into some of00:45:31
these negotiations will go through in a00:45:33
better way. Don't you wish that,00:45:34
Destiny? I think we all want that,00:45:36
right?00:45:37
>> I don't I don't know what I don't know00:45:38
what anybody wants. We're talking about giving the Nobel Peace Prize hopefully00:45:40
to a guy who is declaring war on his own00:45:42
cities. [laughter] I mean, I don't know00:45:43
what the actual goal is for you. You00:45:46
know, you know how ridiculous that is.00:45:48
>> I do. I agree. It is ridiculous. I'm00:45:49
glad we can agree on that. War with00:45:51
Chicago. I was watching [laughter] I was00:45:53
watching Don Lemon I was watching the00:45:55
citizen journalist Don Lemon out with00:45:56
his microphone and he was talking to00:45:58
people in various cities about um00:46:01
putting the National Guard on the00:46:03
streets and you know what they all said00:46:04
to his astonishment. They were all in00:46:06
favor of it.00:46:08
I would be too if my if my city was00:46:10
overrun by crime and gangs and shootings00:46:12
and stabbings and murders. If you if you00:46:14
feel if you feel the police if you feel00:46:16
the police is underresourced and00:46:18
ineffective and is not protecting you00:46:21
then I think people actually rather like00:46:23
the visibility of members of a national00:46:25
guard on the streets. And you know00:46:27
people can call it the militarization,00:46:29
the creeping fascism, all these things.00:46:31
Or they could actually ask the people00:46:33
that live in those places, how do you00:46:35
feel about having some National Guard00:46:37
people on the streets? They actually00:46:39
feel comforted by the visibility of00:46:42
National Guard on their streets. So00:46:43
maybe Trump00:46:44
>> people who don't like law enforcement00:46:46
are criminals. That's the reality,00:46:49
>> right?00:46:51
These are these are just these are just00:46:53
politicians that are that are running00:46:54
their mouth just like Black Lives Matter00:46:56
when they want to defund the police. You00:46:58
ask people that live in a hood, they00:47:00
love the police. They want the police00:47:01
there. They get sick of their kids00:47:02
getting shot in the middle of the00:47:04
street. So most people, go to Chicago. I00:47:06
mean, go to DC. Remember when they were00:47:08
protesting DC? A bunch of white people.00:47:10
You know, the majority of DC population00:47:11
is black. None of the black people out00:47:13
there protest. It's a bunch of leftist00:47:15
nut jobs and politicians who are pushing00:47:17
this agenda. Most people want to be00:47:19
safe. The property value goes up when00:47:21
it's safe. Stores come into the00:47:23
community. The economy is boosted. Your00:47:25
schools are better. No person on earth00:47:27
want crime to be rampant in their00:47:29
cities. And when their politicians do00:47:30
nothing, then Trump has to step in.00:47:32
>> All right, let me give the last word to00:47:34
Nadine. Um, how do you see things in the00:47:38
next 2, three years in Gaza, in the West00:47:42
Bank, in that region?00:47:44
>> You know, I think Trump addressing the00:47:46
Knesset today just proves how absurd00:47:48
this whole conversation is. He bragged00:47:50
about moving the US embassy to00:47:52
Jerusalem. He rewarded Israel's illegal00:47:55
annexation. He praised Miriam Adlesen00:47:58
while also calling her Israel first.00:48:00
>> But he also went to Egypt after the00:48:01
Knessetic. He also went to Egypt. So,00:48:04
you know, yes, he was at the Kesset.00:48:06
Yes, he got celebrated for getting the00:48:08
hostages released. That's inevitable.00:48:10
But he also then went to Egypt00:48:11
immediately, right? So, you know, I look00:48:13
at the totality of what Trump has done00:48:15
on this very quick visit. And he's going00:48:18
to both sides. He understands you only00:48:20
get to peace by talking and sitting down00:48:23
and doing deals with all waring00:48:25
partners, right? It's the only way you00:48:27
do it.00:48:28
>> I mean, you know what we've seen is the00:48:30
Palestinian resistance today are the00:48:32
orphans of the past Israeli incursions00:48:36
on Gaza, on the West Bank. The number of00:48:39
Hamas militants, just like, you know,00:48:41
the pro-Israel commentators here said,00:48:43
hasn't actually decreased since October00:48:45
2023. It's just about stayed the same.00:48:48
So I think as long as you think that you00:48:50
can't bring you can't bomb people into00:48:52
peace, you can't bomb people into00:48:54
submission and Palestinians will00:48:56
continue to resist no matter what00:48:58
because they are facing a genocidal baby00:49:00
killing machine that is built on the00:49:03
blood of our people. That's bu built on00:49:05
the blood and they're going to keep my00:49:07
village in Palestine was annexed three00:49:10
weeks ago. Not a single establishment or00:49:13
legacy media outlet has covered it.00:49:15
Betixa was annexed. You can search this00:49:18
up. And as long as we continue to be00:49:20
dispossessed through our land, denied00:49:22
the right of return and slaughtered merc00:49:24
mercilessly, whether in Gaza, whether in00:49:26
the West Bank, or even 48 citizens,00:49:29
Palestinian citizens of Israel,00:49:31
Palestinians are only going to continue00:49:33
to fight that. That is going to keep00:49:35
their butts. >> Human nature. That is just human nature.00:49:38
>> All right, we will get before we go.00:49:41
Pierce, I want to remind you that you00:49:42
had Nardina and I on right after October00:49:44
7. Yeah.00:49:45
>> Off the bat, you asked her, "Do you00:49:46
condemn October 7th?" She said no. She00:49:49
hardly condemned 911. Now that we're00:49:51
seeing each other again face to face in00:49:52
her dean second grade when 911 happened,00:49:55
you are prom00:50:00
$7,000. Larry Ellison can buy Tik Tok.00:50:04
You are not by Palestine. You are proud00:50:06
of because when Hamas is powdering00:50:09
literal when Hamas is all the Gazins00:50:12
right now, you're silent. Hamas is00:50:14
killing Palestinians right now and you00:50:16
are silent because you're not pro00:50:18
Palestinian. >> Okay. Well, can I say it's good to see00:50:20
it's good to see it's good to see it's00:50:23
good to see that go burn things in time.00:50:27
It is good to see that you two uh have00:50:29
moved on with your relationship since00:50:31
you last uh appeared on the panel00:50:33
together and that there is a new harmony00:50:35
to it which I was lacking last time.00:50:37
>> That was Israel Palestine in a nutshell00:50:39
right there. I mean, you know what?00:50:41
Actually, yes.00:50:42
>> And that's where we need to get the00:50:43
Palestinian00:50:45
Israel, Palestine,00:50:48
>> Palestinian derange, my people, my land,00:50:50
and you just have a ridiculous,00:50:51
>> you know, unusually00:50:53
unusually unusually for when a panel00:50:56
includes destiny, he's ended with the00:50:58
most precient point of all, probably the00:51:00
most pertinent point of all, which is00:51:01
actually in a way that is the problem.00:51:03
And we need to get to a place where we00:51:04
can have mutual respect and actually I00:51:07
believe one day that that will be a00:51:09
two-state solution.00:51:10
>> The starting point is not of 70,00000:51:12
Palestinians in probably a lot more than00:51:15
that. I think the number is much higher.00:51:17
>> All right. I'm going to I'm going to00:51:19
leave it there, but thank you very much00:51:20
indeed all of you for the the debate. I00:51:22
appreciate it.00:51:23
>> One week ago, Katie Porter was measuring00:51:25
Gavin Newsome's curtains as a poll00:51:27
showed her with a commanding lead in the00:51:29
race to become California's next00:51:30
governor. Then disaster struck. Katie00:51:33
Porter spoke to a journalist who had the00:51:35
audacity to ask her a question.00:51:38
>> But you just said you don't need those00:51:40
Trump voters. >> Well, you asked me if I needed them to00:51:42
win. >> So, you don't need00:51:43
>> I feel like this is unnecessarily00:51:44
argumentative. What is your question?00:51:46
>> The the question is the same thing I00:51:48
asked everybody that this is being00:51:50
called the empowering voters to stop00:51:53
Trump's power grab. Every other00:51:55
candidate has answered this question.00:51:56
This is not00:51:57
>> I said I support it. So, and the00:52:00
question is, what do you say to the 40%00:52:02
of voters who voted for Trump?00:52:04
>> Oh, I'm happy to say that. It's the do00:52:06
you need them to win part that I don't00:52:07
understand. I'm happy to answer the00:52:09
answer the question as you have it00:52:10
written and I'll answer it.00:52:11
>> And we've also asked the other00:52:12
candidates, do you think you need any of00:52:14
those 40% of California voters to win?00:52:16
And you're saying no, you don't.00:52:17
>> No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win00:52:19
every vote I can. And what I'm saying to00:52:21
you is that00:52:23
>> Well, to those voters. Okay. So, so you00:52:25
>> I don't want to keep doing this. I'm00:52:26
going to call it. Well, Porter's prickly00:52:29
response to that simple question said00:52:30
her win probability on a historic00:52:32
downward spiral cratering in just days00:52:35
from 40 to 16%. The ensuing Porter pylon00:52:39
has brought with a swirl of claims about00:52:41
disharmony among her team and millions00:52:43
have viewed this clip of Porter yelling00:52:45
at a staffer who encroached on her Zoom00:52:48
shot.00:52:49
>> The state could lose.00:52:52
Get out of my [ __ ] shot.00:52:54
>> I wanted to tell you that that's00:52:56
actually incorrect. It's not that it's00:52:57
electric vehicles. It's that if we don't00:53:00
meet the commitments under the Paris00:53:01
climate accord.00:53:03
>> Okay. It does. Okay. You also were in my00:53:05
shop before that.00:53:07
Stay out of my shot.00:53:10
>> Wow. Well, we invited Katie Porter to00:53:12
have a second go at answering questions00:53:14
here on Uncensored, but she declined.00:53:16
So, in the interest of fairness and00:53:18
democracy, we invited her two leading00:53:20
opponents on both sides instead. In a00:53:23
moment, I'll talk to Republican00:53:24
candidate Steve Hilm. But first, I'm00:53:26
joined by the California Democratic00:53:27
Party's vice chair, Betty Ye. Well,00:53:30
Betty, welcome to Uncensored. You posted00:53:32
on X following that first interview with00:53:35
CBS. After watching the interview, it's00:53:36
clear Casey Porter doesn't have the00:53:38
temperament to be governor. As a00:53:40
candidate, I welcome the hard questions.00:53:42
The next governor must be accessible and00:53:45
transparent. No place for temper00:53:46
tantrums. No place for dodging the00:53:49
public's right to know. And you then00:53:51
added in another post, Katy Porter is a00:53:53
weak, self-destructive candidate, unfit00:53:56
to leave California. Mistakes are too00:53:58
high for her to stay in this race. It's00:54:00
time for her to drop out of the race.00:54:02
So, no holding back there. Um, what what00:54:05
is it about the clips that have come out00:54:07
that that sent you over the edge in00:54:09
terms of her ability to stay in the00:54:11
race?00:54:12
>> Well, thank you, Pierce. Look, as a00:54:15
woman candidate, I know that we are held00:54:17
to double standards and I believe Katie00:54:20
Porter failed that to hold up to that00:54:22
standard. Uh, as a candidate, we reach00:54:24
out to all voters to try to make a00:54:26
persuasive case uh to earn their00:54:27
support. And um I just believe that her00:54:31
temperament and and frankly just not00:54:33
being responsive to the reporter was00:54:34
just not cutting it. I did the Bill00:54:36
Maher show with her a while ago, last00:54:39
year, and got into a debate with her00:54:41
about Riley Gaines, who's been, you00:54:44
know, campaigning against um trans00:54:47
activists trying to erode women's rights00:54:50
in sport. And she got very prickly then.00:54:54
But what I was struck by was that the00:54:55
very liberal audience totally disagreed00:54:58
with her. Um but I I remember then and00:55:01
we'll take a little look at a bit of00:55:02
this now. Let's have a look. person00:55:04
>> talked about people, you know, becoming00:55:06
using things to kind of get likes and00:55:09
get clicks.00:55:10
>> That's not what she's doing.00:55:11
>> I mean, I've got no truck for rights00:55:13
personally, but all I've seen her do is00:55:15
stand up for women's rights to fairness00:55:16
and equality. She she actually competed00:55:19
against Leah Thomas, and it was00:55:21
obviously unfair. Leah Thomas won one of00:55:23
the races in the NCAA championships by00:55:25
50 seconds against a bunch of biological00:55:29
females who simply couldn't keep up.00:55:31
That cannot be right. It cannot be fair.00:55:33
>> That is something00:55:35
that I trust I think our sporting bodies00:55:39
should be dealing with. And by the way,00:55:41
Riley is speaking up for herself and00:55:44
that is her prerogative and I respect00:55:46
her free speech.00:55:47
>> I think she's speaking up for pretty00:55:48
much every female athlete in the world.00:55:51
>> I wasn't.00:55:53
>> Out of interest, Betty Ye, what what is00:55:55
your view of trans athletes in women's00:55:57
sport?00:55:59
Well, I think uh I always uh want to be00:56:01
sure that we are being inclusive in00:56:03
sports and so um I think there are ways00:56:05
to still have them participate in sports00:56:07
and try to quell, you know, just some of00:56:10
the um controversy around it. Um I think00:56:13
everyone has an opportunity to00:56:14
participate in sports,00:56:15
>> right? That that wasn't really the00:56:17
question. It's whether you think trans00:56:18
athletes should compete in women's00:56:20
sport.00:56:21
Well, I I think um we need to learn more00:56:24
about just how we can enable them to to00:56:27
um participate. Um I don't look everyone00:56:30
is competing in a sport and they come00:56:32
with um abilities and and um perhaps00:56:36
there could be, you know, kind of a00:56:37
different lead for them or we can look00:56:39
at just ways not to exclude them, but I00:56:41
do want them to be able to have that00:56:42
same opportunity to participate.00:56:44
>> Well, everybody wants um trans athletes00:56:46
to be able to participate in sport. The00:56:48
issue is whether they should be allowed00:56:49
to compete in women's sport against00:56:52
actual women who are biological females00:56:54
who obviously have a uh inferior00:56:57
physiology in the main in terms of lung00:56:59
capacity, muscle mass and so on. Do you00:57:02
think that would be right?00:57:03
>> Uh they are now part of I mean they have00:57:07
been through a a transition a physical00:57:09
transition and I do believe that they00:57:11
should be able to participate with other00:57:12
female athletes.00:57:13
>> Wow. Well, you got the Olympics coming00:57:15
to to California to LA. So, are you00:57:18
suggesting that you would allow trans00:57:20
athletes to compete in women's sport in00:57:22
the Olympics if you were governor?00:57:24
>> Well, I think there's still a lot of00:57:25
discussion that needs to happen. Um, I00:57:27
think there's a lot of information we00:57:28
need to learn about what's really um00:57:30
happening with uh the ability of trans00:57:32
athletes to compete, but my my statement00:57:35
is about being able to be sure that they00:57:37
can compete. Uh, and right now,00:57:39
>> but my question is whether you think00:57:40
they should compete in women's sport in00:57:42
the Olympics because it's coming to LA,00:57:44
so it's relevant.00:57:45
>> I think transgender female athletes are00:57:48
women athletes and they should00:57:50
[clears throat] be able to compete. >> Really?00:57:54
>> So you if you were governor of00:57:55
California, you would support biological00:57:58
males who identify as women competing in00:58:01
women's sport in the Olympics.00:58:04
uh they are now identified as um00:58:07
transgender female00:58:08
>> and you think that makes and you think00:58:10
it's fair that they should then compete00:58:11
in women's sport.00:58:14
>> I think they should be able to compete00:58:15
in women's sports but I also think that00:58:16
there is still some discussion about uh00:58:18
whether they should compete uh uh in the00:58:21
same field but I just want them to be00:58:23
able to participate.00:58:24
>> Sure. I'm sure you why why out of00:58:26
interest why do you think we separate00:58:27
the sexes in the Olympics?00:58:30
Um well because they do come with00:58:32
different attributes in terms of00:58:34
physicality and uh00:58:35
>> so you accept that we separate the sexes00:58:37
because men have a physical advantage00:58:39
over women.00:58:42
>> Uh I know about an advantage in some00:58:43
sports yes and other sports maybe not.00:58:45
>> Can you think of a single sport in the00:58:47
Olympics where men would not have an00:58:50
advantage over women with the exception00:58:52
potentially of archery?00:58:55
You know, I think uh you can see uh00:58:57
female athletes where um particularly in00:59:00
track and field where uh agility um is00:59:03
probably00:59:04
>> Hang on. Are you suggesting that women00:59:06
So hang on. You think that women could00:59:08
could compete against men in track and00:59:11
field like in 100 meters, 200 meters,00:59:14
10,000 meters. Do you?00:59:16
>> Um perhaps. You know, I'm not a sports00:59:19
um expert, but00:59:20
>> of course they couldn't. Have you seen00:59:22
the Have you seen the times that women00:59:24
and men record in the Olympics for all00:59:26
track and field events? Have you watched00:59:29
Usain Bolt when he smashed the world00:59:31
record for the 100 meters?00:59:33
>> Yes. Yes.00:59:34
>> So, you think women could run against00:59:36
Usain Bolt for example at his peak and00:59:39
that would be fair?00:59:41
>> I think um there look I'm just going to00:59:44
say this. There's a lot of00:59:46
misinformation about the ability of00:59:47
transgender athletes.00:59:48
>> That wasn't my question. My question00:59:49
was, you've got the Olympics coming to00:59:52
your state. You want to be the00:59:53
California governor. I am actually a00:59:55
resident in California in Los Angeles.00:59:58
So, I'm very curious about your response01:00:00
to how you would want the Olympics to be01:00:02
conducted, which would be fair and01:00:04
equitable for women, but it seems to me01:00:06
like you would like to remove any any01:00:09
sexual differentiation between the the01:00:12
Olympic sports and let them all compete.01:00:14
It would be genderneutral, wouldn't it,01:00:16
if you were governor?01:00:18
Well, uh I again I want to be sure that01:00:21
everyone has the ability to compete.01:00:23
>> But would you would you have a01:00:24
genderneutral Olympics where you would01:00:26
have not you wouldn't have male and01:00:28
female sport then you just have one one01:00:30
that everyone could join in?01:00:32
>> Well, I don't think we're going to get01:00:34
that tomorrow. But I think it's a01:00:35
conversation worth having. You think01:00:37
it's a conversation worth having where01:00:38
you have genderneutral Olympics01:00:41
>> because we need to understand what the01:00:43
attributes are of athletes across the um01:00:47
spectrum.01:00:48
>> But you've already said that you01:00:49
understand the reason they separate the01:00:51
sexes is that men have a physical01:00:53
advantage over women. That is why we01:00:55
separate the sexes in the Olympics.01:00:57
>> Uh in some sports I believe so.01:00:59
>> Tell me a sport where it where it would01:01:01
have no impact.01:01:03
I do believe that women are equipped to01:01:06
break records in track and field. And01:01:08
some of01:01:09
>> Tell me one track and field event where01:01:11
a woman would beat a man in the01:01:13
Olympics.01:01:14
>> Well, if um01:01:16
>> in fact, let me make it easier. Tell me01:01:17
a single track and field event in the01:01:19
Olympics where a woman would qualify for01:01:22
any of the finals.01:01:26
Well, I would think that in some of the01:01:29
um in the short course, you know, track01:01:32
events,01:01:33
>> the short What do you mean like how01:01:35
long?01:01:36
>> Um it's not going to be the long the01:01:39
long races, but the the the shorter01:01:41
races >> 100 meters, 200 meters.01:01:44
>> Uh could be 100 meter. Sure. You think01:01:47
I'm sorry to Betty, but given that01:01:50
obviously I got you on because Katie01:01:51
Border wouldn't ask answer questions.01:01:54
You genuinely think that we should have01:01:57
a genderneutral 100 meters in the01:01:59
Olympics when it comes to California.01:02:02
>> What I am saying is I don't know that we01:02:04
know fully. We know fully.01:02:06
>> But why do you think we do? We do know01:02:08
fully because we know that women's 10001:02:11
meter records compared to men's show01:02:14
that men are much much faster over 10001:02:17
meters than women. That's why we01:02:19
separate the sexes. Same with 200 m,01:02:21
same with 400 m, same with 5,000 m, same01:02:24
with 800 meters, same with 10,000 m.01:02:27
That is why we separate the sexes. If01:02:30
you had men and women competing in the01:02:32
same Olympic track and field events,01:02:34
women would never win a medal again. How01:02:36
do you not know that?01:02:39
Well, let me just say this. I think we01:02:41
can all agree that we want people to01:02:44
have equal opportunity to participate. I01:02:46
don't know that we know um frankly just01:02:49
uh with the with transgender people01:02:51
participating in athletics um really how01:02:54
they would fare in competition. Um so I01:02:57
would like to be able to see full01:02:59
participation and if it means having to01:03:01
put transgender people in a different uh01:03:03
type of division to see how they01:03:05
perform, we would do that. But would you01:03:07
as a principle you would quite like to01:03:08
see a genderneutral Olympics when it01:03:10
comes to LA?01:03:12
>> Uh if that if the um physicality of of01:03:16
the sexist bear true to that including01:03:18
with transgender people yes it should be01:03:20
gender neutral. I don't think we know01:03:22
enough.01:03:23
>> You don't think we know enough about the01:03:25
relative physiology of men and women to01:03:28
work out whether they should compete01:03:29
separately?01:03:31
Uh certainly when uh transgender people01:03:34
um transition and there are01:03:37
participating in athletics um I think we01:03:40
need to we need to know more.01:03:42
>> Would you like boxing to be01:03:43
genderneutral in the Olympics?01:03:47
>> No, of course not.01:03:48
>> Why not?01:03:51
>> Well, I'm not a boxing fan and I'm not a01:03:54
particular big fan of the of the sport.01:03:56
It has um high potential for for injury01:03:59
and harm01:04:00
>> really. So how did you feel about Iman01:04:03
Khalif, the Algerian boxer competing in01:04:05
the Paris Olympics when I khalif had01:04:08
failed uh to qualify for the world or01:04:11
been disqualified from the world01:04:13
championships the year before for01:04:14
testing positive for male chromosomes?01:04:19
>> Um I don't know much about boxing,01:04:21
Pierce. I'm sorry.01:04:23
>> I don't have a view about it.01:04:24
>> Okay. Uh, Betty, thank you very much01:04:26
indeed for joining me. I appreciate it.01:04:30
Well, let's go to Steve Hilton,01:04:31
Republican candidate for governor.01:04:33
Steve, welcome to Uncensored. Um,01:04:35
sometimes I do an interview where I I01:04:38
half wonder if I'm being set up that01:04:41
somebody is answering in a way so01:04:43
deliberately ridiculous that it's part01:04:45
of a prank. But I don't think that was01:04:47
the case. Um, genderneutral Olympics uh01:04:50
is Betty Ye's clarion call for LA.01:04:54
>> [laughter]01:04:55
>> It's amazing, isn't it, Pierers? Um, I01:04:58
think we may just have seen another01:05:00
California Democrat candidate torpedo01:05:03
their campaign for governor. I mean,01:05:04
extraordinary. Um, I'll just tell you01:05:06
very quickly where I stand on this. Um,01:05:09
in terms of the Olympics, by the way, I01:05:11
think that it's the IOC that sets the01:05:13
participation rules and the California01:05:15
the ho the the the executive of the host01:05:18
city or state doesn't have a say. Uh,01:05:21
but I'll look into that. I'm talking to01:05:22
Caitlyn Jenner, actually, a friend of01:05:23
mine, about all of these issues in01:05:25
relation to the Olympics. She's giving01:05:26
me great,01:05:27
>> who is, by the way, the most sensible01:05:28
voice on all of this. I mean, Caitlyn,01:05:31
when Caitlyn identified as a woman in01:05:33
transition, I remember Caitlyn saying01:05:36
that she went to compete in her local01:05:39
golf club tournament and they said she01:05:41
could now go off the women's TE's. And01:05:43
she went, "Well, that would be01:05:44
ridiculous. I'm still 6' three or four,01:05:47
right? I still have the same physiology01:05:49
I had when I competed in the male01:05:51
decathlan and won gold medal. Uh if I go01:05:54
off the women's tease, no woman could01:05:55
beat me. And she just said, "Look, just01:05:58
I'll go off the men's tease. It's fine.01:06:00
It's no big deal." That is a pragmatic,01:06:02
sensible way around all these issues.01:06:04
But to hear somebody who wants to be the01:06:06
governor of California advocating for a01:06:09
genderneutral Olympics with thinking01:06:12
that track and field in particular I01:06:14
know >> is where women could compete fairly01:06:17
against men. I mean completely insane. I01:06:20
was watching it and it's almost like one01:06:23
of those reaction videos, you know,01:06:24
someone if someone was taping it in your01:06:26
team, it's like my jaw was literally01:06:28
dropping and she had short form and as01:06:31
you I mean I think I almost said the01:06:33
same words that you did at the same01:06:34
time. What 100 meters? Are you kidding?01:06:37
>> I mean literally I mean against Usain01:06:40
Bolt at his peak for example. I know. I01:06:41
mean a woman would literally barely be01:06:43
halfway down the track.01:06:45
>> It's insane. Look, the the the what I do01:06:48
know uh what I can do about this as01:06:50
governor is go back to the origin of01:06:52
this insanity. And actually, it's it's a01:06:54
good example of of the role that01:06:57
California has played, the negative role01:06:58
that has has played across the country01:07:01
because so many crazy far-left things01:07:04
actually start in California and then01:07:06
spread to the rest of America and then01:07:08
around the world. This all goes back to01:07:10
a piece of legislation. It's the law in01:07:12
California that biological boys have to01:07:15
participate, have to be allowed to01:07:16
participate in girls sports. It was01:07:18
passed in 2013,01:07:20
>> 12 years ago, AB 1266. I've looked into01:07:23
it with my legal team. The governor01:07:26
can't just um ignore the laws, but01:07:28
actually where a piece of legislation01:07:31
violates the California state01:07:33
constitution, the governor can initiate01:07:35
a process of overturning it. And that's01:07:37
what I will do because this law violates01:07:40
the California Constitution in two01:07:42
places. Section 28 which um defends um01:07:45
and protects safety in schools because01:07:48
you're seeing a lot of injuries as a01:07:50
result of this and 30 section 31 which01:07:53
prevents gender discrimination and this01:07:56
is obviously discrimination against01:07:58
girls. So I'm confident that as governor01:08:00
I could actually overturn that law and01:08:01
bring some sanity back to this whole01:08:03
situation. You know, a couple of weeks01:08:05
ago, it looked like Katie Porter might01:08:06
be a bit of a shoe in. Um, he now looks01:08:09
very different. I mean, I saw somebody01:08:11
on CNN, uh, their stats guy, Harry,01:08:15
saying this was one of the biggest,01:08:16
fastest meltdowns he'd ever seen in an01:08:19
individual's polling to be a governor.01:08:22
Um, I mean, absolute depth charge.01:08:25
Meanwhile, a recent poll by Zogby01:08:27
Strategy shows you 6% ahead of her. Now,01:08:30
there's been a real shift here. Um, you01:08:32
know, most people think it's impossible01:08:34
for a Republican candidate like you to01:08:36
actually become governor in in01:08:38
California, but is it? I mean, are you01:08:40
beginning to think that the Porter01:08:42
meltdown has has got a bit of momentum01:08:44
for you that could actually prevail?01:08:47
>> Look, P, I've always said it's going to01:08:48
be very difficult. I'm under no01:08:50
illusions, but it's not impossible. And01:08:53
here's a couple of things. First of all,01:08:55
after this 15 years now of one party01:08:57
rule in California, Democrats have01:08:58
controlled the they've had the01:09:00
governor's office, uh the state01:09:02
legislature, they run all the big01:09:04
cities. There's no one else to blame.01:09:05
And the results are terrible. And it's01:09:07
not and people around the world01:09:09
obviously the very visible problems of01:09:11
California misrule are very apparent.01:09:14
You know, the homelessness and the crime01:09:15
and so on. But actually on a daily01:09:17
basis, everything else is even more of a01:09:19
disaster. Right now, we have the highest01:09:22
unemployment rate in all of America and01:09:24
the highest poverty rate, the highest01:09:26
housing cost, the highest cost for gas,01:09:29
electricity, water, you name it, the01:09:31
worst business climate. Everything's a01:09:32
disaster. And so, you're seeing a01:09:34
majority now pretty consistently for the01:09:36
last two years or so. Quite a sizable01:09:38
majority who say the state's going in01:09:40
the wrong direction and we need change.01:09:42
So, there's a majority for change. The01:09:44
question is, are people going to uh01:09:47
support a campaign from a Republican?01:09:49
And that's my argument that actually a01:09:52
non ideological positive practical01:09:54
campaign that's that's that's what I'm01:09:56
running on. Not divisive ideological01:09:58
issues but simple practical things01:10:00
cutting gas prices cutting electric01:10:02
bills especially cutting housing costs01:10:04
so you can afford a home of your own. I01:10:07
think it is possible. And you look at01:10:08
the other Democrats running actually01:10:10
although they haven't had the kind of01:10:11
meltdown maybe we've just seen one with01:10:14
Betty Ye as Katie Porter has but they're01:10:16
all kind of the same thing. is the same01:10:18
old machine politician that's come up01:10:21
through the ranks. They all tow the01:10:23
party line. They're controlled by the01:10:24
unions. I don't see anyone there who can01:10:27
actually offer the change that we so01:10:29
obviously need in California. That's why01:10:31
I'm confident that I can do it.01:10:32
>> I'm certain I mean the anger management01:10:35
issues with Katie Porter seem to go back01:10:36
a long way because her her divorce01:10:39
papers resurfaced this week. Um, her01:10:41
ex-husband, Matthew Hoffman, alleged01:10:43
that she dumped a bowl of steaming hot01:10:45
boiled potatoes on his head, said she01:10:48
was prone to extreme anger, had a quote01:10:51
history of snapping and screaming at him01:10:53
and the children, and would claw and01:10:55
scratch her arms while blaming him for01:10:57
the markings. Uh, he said that Porter01:11:00
wouldn't let him have a cell phone01:11:01
because she said, quotes, "You're too01:11:03
effing dumb to operate it." Um, and so01:11:06
it goes on. Um, and then you see the01:11:08
clips of her screaming at the staffers01:11:11
for getting in her shot. You see the way01:11:13
she tried to deal with that journalist01:11:15
for asking perfectly reasonable01:11:16
questions that she'd asked of every01:11:18
candidate. And you get an impression of01:11:20
somebody who has a very short views,01:11:23
very arrogant, very entitled, and the01:11:25
consequence of all this colliding at the01:11:27
same time is a dramatic drop in her01:11:30
popularity. Do do you think now as Betty01:11:33
Ye said before she probably depth01:11:34
charged her own campaign, do you think01:11:36
it's time that Katie Porter dropped out?01:11:39
>> Well, any normal person would say that,01:11:42
but what's been interesting and it shows01:11:44
you how things operate with this01:11:46
Democrat machine in California. Just in01:11:48
the last few days since this meltdown,01:11:52
you've seen day after day people coming01:11:54
out in support, not people,01:11:55
organizations, the unions to be precise.01:11:58
unions have come out and said, and I'll01:12:00
just tell you the kinds of things01:12:01
they're saying. We don't need someone01:12:03
who's polite. We need a fighter in in in01:12:07
California. Katie Porter is our fighter.01:12:09
She may not be the most polish. She may01:12:11
be not the most polite, but she's the01:12:13
etc. Right. So, the unions of, you know,01:12:16
rolling in behind her. So, I'm not sure01:12:18
that she will drop out, but I don't01:12:20
think there's any prospect that she's01:12:22
going to actually get to the we we have01:12:24
a system in California. It's called the01:12:25
top two system. So, you don't have a01:12:27
Republican and a Democrat primary.01:12:29
Everyone's on the same ballot and the01:12:30
two top candidates go forward. Right01:12:32
now, all the polls show me as being one01:12:34
of the top two. Up until now, it's been01:12:36
Katie Porter. I think we we're looking01:12:38
at another Democrat coming in and it01:12:41
feels as if the machine is moving behind01:12:44
a guy called Alex Padilla, who is the01:12:46
current US senator for California. Seems01:12:49
to me they're trying to recruit him01:12:50
almost to get into the race. But my01:12:52
argument is it doesn't really matter who01:12:53
they put up. It is time for change in01:12:56
California. How can a Democrat come and01:12:58
clean up the mess that they made?01:13:00
>> And on balance, do you think Betty Ye01:13:03
may have to withdraw her candidship01:13:05
after what we just witnessed?01:13:08
>> Well, I Well, again, there is a01:13:10
constituency for those views, I'm sad to01:13:13
report, here in California. But most01:13:15
normal people I mean even in California01:13:17
the majority who think that uh01:13:20
biological boys should not compete in01:13:23
girls sports is very large. I think01:13:24
across the country it's like 85 90%. In01:13:27
California it's 65 70% if I'm right in01:13:30
remembering those numbers. So I think01:13:32
that again the activists and the and the01:13:35
real core of the Democrat machine will01:13:37
think that she did a good job honestly01:13:40
which is stunning but that's how far01:13:42
>> you know what Steve I've got a new book01:13:43
coming out called Woke is dead and I01:13:46
actually make the point it's not01:13:47
actually dead yet it will keep popping01:13:49
up with outrageously ridiculous things01:13:51
that people are going to say and do but01:13:53
the public tolerance of them01:13:56
>> is rapidly diminishing. In other words,01:13:58
they're like weeds in a in a garden when01:14:00
they pop up. They have to be they have01:14:01
to be dealt with. I've got a feeling01:14:03
when Betty Ye sees the reaction to what01:14:06
she has said about the Olympics coming01:14:08
to California and how she would like it01:14:10
to be genderneutral, particularly in the01:14:12
100 meters, the ridicule that is going01:14:15
to fall on her head is going to be such01:14:18
that I suspect her position as a01:14:20
candidate will become untenable pretty01:14:22
quickly. Uh and that's because actually01:14:24
the woke ideology at its core is01:14:27
ridiculous. And we've just seen a clear01:14:30
example of how ridiculous it can be.01:14:33
Steve Hilton, great to talk to you.01:14:34
Thank you very much.01:14:36
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President Trump’s historic role in ending the Hamas war has drawn plaudits from even his most embittered opponents, with even Hillary Clinton commending him for brokering peace. However, it hasn’t been enough for him to receive the Nobel Peace Prize - is it an accolade he’s deserving of, considering his close relationship with Netanyahu? Joining Piers Morgan to debate this and the Gaza situation is streamer Destiny in his first appearance in Uncensored’s London studios, plus YouTubers Brandon Tatum and Tara Palmeri, pro-Israel broadcaster Emily Austin and pro-Palestine activist Nerdeen Kiswani. Then, as the press just gets worse and worse for California governor runner Katie Porter, Piers is joined by two of her opponents, Republican Steve Hilton and California Democratic Party vice chair Betty Yee. However, the discussion takes a wild turn when Piers asks Yee her thoughts on trans athletes… Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Ground News: Ground News: Go to https://ground.news/landingV8/piersmorgan for 40% off the Vantage subscription and find the truth mainstream media doesn't want you to see. Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. Birch Gold: Visit https://freekit.birchgold.com/piers-morgan-gold-ira/?msid=56560&subid=web to get your free info kit on gold. 00:00 Introduction and monologue 03:00 Destiny discusses the Israel-Hamas ceasefire with Piers 05:50 Emily Austin on why Netanyahu deserves adulation 10:55 AD: Ground News - https://ground.news/landingV8/piersmorgan for 40% off the Vantage subscription 12:04 Piers challenges Emily Austin on Israel’s scale of response 18:33 The MAGA base split between anti-Israel and pro-Israel 20:36 AD: Oxford Natural - https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ for 70% off first order with code PIERS 21:24 Brandon Tatum on Israel’s treatment of Gaza 25:30 Nerdeen Kiswani on the ceasefire 31:22 AD: Birch Gold - https://freekit.birchgold.com/piers-morgan-gold-ira/?msid=56560&subid=web to get your free info kit on gold 32:35 Brandon attacks Nerdeen: “This young lady is clearly a propagandist!” 34:52 Should Donald Trump get the Nobel Peace Prize? 51:24 Piers’ monologue on Katie Porter 54:05 Betty Yee discusses Katie Porter’s candidacy 55:57 Piers asks Betty Yee about trans athletes in sports 01:04:33 Republican candidate for governor Steve Hilton reacts to Betty Yee’s interview 01:10:40 Katie Porter’s anger management issues and divorce papers resurgence Subscribe to stay up-to-date on all Uncensored content. Follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on: X: https://x.com/PiersUncensored Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@piersmorganuncensored Follow Piers Morgan on: X: https://x.com/piersmorgan Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser n
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