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The barbarians are no longer at the00:00:01
gate. They are now inside.00:00:03
>> So you're calling Czech Nuger a00:00:04
barbarian? Well, given he's here, let me00:00:06
bring him in.00:00:07
>> There are barbarians inside the gate.00:00:09
And that's Randy Fine. Randy Fine is a00:00:11
sick terrorist sympathizer.00:00:13
>> You want him deported. Is that right? I00:00:15
do. And look, I think Mami lied in his00:00:18
naturalization application.00:00:19
>> He's a dirty Muslim and you should hate00:00:21
him for supporting Muslim. And that's00:00:23
what almost all of the Israeli00:00:24
supporters are doing.00:00:25
>> Dude, just come out and condemn Hamas.00:00:28
It's not that hard.00:00:30
>> These anti-semitic attacks that is so00:00:32
permeating on CNN and this is so00:00:34
ridiculous. Somebody criticizing you00:00:36
personally is not an anti-Semitic00:00:38
attack. If somebody says that you are00:00:40
lying, that is not an attack on Jews.00:00:41
That is an attack on you.00:00:42
>> Piers, I'm going to be done with this.00:00:44
If you're going to allow racist and00:00:45
bigot attacks against one of your00:00:47
commentators,00:00:49
>> Zaram Mandani says that Islamophobia is00:00:52
endemic in the United States and his00:00:54
opponents have given him ample reason to00:00:56
make that case. A New York congresswoman00:00:59
called him the jihadist candidate for00:01:01
mayor. Republican Randy Fine is trying00:01:04
to have him deported. Mandani's main00:01:06
opponent, Andrew Cuomo, has called him a00:01:09
terrorist sympathizer and was widely00:01:11
criticized for saying this in a recent00:01:13
interview.00:01:15
>> Whose lives are at stake? God forbid00:01:17
another 911. Can you imagine Mandami in00:01:20
the seat?00:01:22
>> Yeah, I could. He He'd be cheering.00:01:25
[laughter]00:01:26
Well, there's another problem.00:01:31
>> For his part, Maani has not always00:01:33
struck the right tone on issues of race00:01:35
and faith. He previously compared the00:01:37
NYPD to the Israeli Defense Forces, for00:01:40
example, and he fought back crocodile00:01:42
tears while talking about some of the00:01:43
real victims of 9/11.00:01:46
>> I want to use this moment to speak to00:01:47
the Muslims of New York City.00:01:53
[clears throat]00:01:56
I want to speak to the memory of my aunt00:02:04
who stopped taking the subway after00:02:07
September 11th because she did not feel00:02:08
safe in her hijab.00:02:12
Well, Ma Donnie has now clarified those00:02:14
remarks, but only to say it wasn't his00:02:16
aunt, but his father's cousin. All of00:02:18
this has become a matter of national00:02:19
debate for several reasons. Firstly, the00:02:22
competing accusations of Islamophobia00:02:24
and anti-semitism have underpinned00:02:26
basically everything since October the00:02:28
7th. Second, if Mandani wins in New00:02:31
York, many think the Democrats will00:02:33
follow his socialist lead. And finally,00:02:35
it comes at a time of hand ringing and00:02:38
soulsearching over ICE raids,00:02:40
anti-immigrant rhetoric, and the00:02:42
question of what it means to be an00:02:43
American. Is Mandani the embodiment of00:02:46
this great colorblind meritocracy? Or as00:02:48
Randy Fine puts it, part of the00:02:50
invasion? Well, joining me to debate all00:02:53
of this is the host of Keeping It Real,00:02:55
Jillian Michaels, the former deputy00:02:57
press secretary and host of the Katie00:02:58
Miller podcast, Katie Miller, the00:03:00
founder and CEO of the Young Turks, Chen00:03:03
Yuga, and the Palestinian00:03:05
American journalist, Omar Batter. Well,00:03:08
welcome to all of you. Um, Jillian, let00:03:10
me start with you. Welcome back to00:03:12
Uncensored. You know, I thought it'd be00:03:13
helpful probably to start the debate00:03:15
about Mandani by reminding us all of00:03:19
some of the more inflammatory things00:03:20
that he said on his record. Um, in June00:03:24
2020, he wrote on X, "We don't need an00:03:26
investigation to know that the NYPD is00:03:29
racist, anti-quer, and a major threat to00:03:32
public safety. What we need is to00:03:34
hashtag defund the NYPD." In 2023, he00:03:38
linked the NYPD to the IDF in a00:03:41
Democratic Socialist of America panel00:03:43
panel discussion, saying, "I think that00:03:45
for anyone to care about these issues,00:03:47
we have to make them hyper local. We00:03:49
have to make it clear that when the boot00:03:51
of the NYPD is on your neck, it's been00:03:54
laced by the IDF." In June, he declined00:03:57
to condemn the phrase globalizard,00:04:00
instead saying that's not language I00:04:02
use, and he would discourage the use of00:04:04
it. In September, when asked if he00:04:06
agreed with the Israeli prime minister00:04:07
stance that Hamas is a terrorist group00:04:09
that needs to be destroyed, Mamani said,00:04:11
"I'm not going to echo the words of00:04:13
Benjamin Netanyahu." Um, when you take00:04:16
it in totality, I can see why uh people00:04:19
have got exercised about this, albeit00:04:22
with the last two, you know, a failure00:04:24
to do something is not quite the same as00:04:26
endorsing it and we should be uh not00:04:28
that should be recorded. But what what00:04:30
is your view about Mandani?00:04:35
>> Well, the one thing that I would hope00:04:37
people stop doing is pointing out that00:04:40
he's Muslim because honestly, who cares.00:04:42
What does that have to do with anything00:04:44
regarding his policies and how he will00:04:47
run New York City? So, that should be00:04:50
called out from the get. It's wrong.00:04:52
Nobody should do it. Simultaneously,00:04:54
yes, a lot of the things you said are00:04:57
alarming to me. I do wish like dude just00:05:00
come out and condemn Hamas. It's not00:05:03
that hard. It's it's very common sense00:05:06
in my opinion. What's alarming to me00:05:08
about M Donnie are his policies. And if00:05:11
we're going to talk about that, I feel00:05:13
like I can pontificate on it. But with00:05:17
regard to him being Muslim, I go back to00:05:19
again, who cares? And people should stop00:05:21
calling that out. It's wrong.00:05:25
But I guess it's relevant if he is00:05:28
saying that Islamophobia is endemic in00:05:31
the United States. I mean, do you00:05:32
believe that it is endemic in the United00:05:34
States? A hatred of people for their00:05:36
Muslim faith.00:05:39
>> I don't think it's endemic in the United00:05:41
States, but it does exist. Racism00:05:43
exists. Sexism exists. I don't think00:05:46
it's endemic. And I think that kind of00:05:49
fear-mongering, rage baiting is00:05:52
literally tearing us apart. which is why00:05:55
I want to see it stop when it comes to00:05:57
his religion as well. So listen, he said00:06:01
a lot of things that I don't like. This00:06:03
is America. He's allowed to say those00:06:04
things. What I again I go back to what I00:06:08
wish people would attack him on00:06:09
specifically are his policies because00:06:11
that's where I believe he has00:06:14
exceptional vulnerability. Like if you00:06:16
don't like the things that he's saying00:06:19
about Gaza or Hamas or the Jews, don't00:06:22
double down by saying those things about00:06:24
him being Muslim. That that's my Jews.00:06:27
We should just be clear about the fact00:06:28
that he's never said anything about the00:06:30
Jews. That's a way that it's just a00:06:32
phrase that gets imposed on him because00:06:33
people can't find anything00:06:35
>> to condemn. Yeah. But that's not saying00:06:37
anything about the Jews. Whatever his00:06:38
views are on Hamas, that's a completely00:06:40
different conversation. We should just00:06:41
use words carefully and and to be like00:06:44
if we're going to have a constructive00:06:46
discourse, it's important not to put00:06:47
words in other people's mouths. So00:06:48
anytime you hear Mamani and you hear the00:06:50
phrase the Jews followed by it, that's00:06:52
typically a smear because Mdani has00:06:54
never expressed any views that are00:06:55
anti-Semitic. If his political views00:06:56
about Israel and Palestine are00:06:58
problematic, let's debate the merits of00:07:00
those without suggesting that he's00:07:01
saying something about the Jews when he00:07:02
never did.00:07:04
>> Oh, okay. What?00:07:05
>> I think that's fair enough. But00:07:08
>> okay,00:07:09
>> I was going to say he has a rap song00:07:10
where he celebrates the Holy Land five00:07:13
>> who, you know, have gone to jail for00:07:15
sending millions of dollars to Hamas.00:07:17
How do you think that would make a00:07:18
Jewish person feel? Probably not great.00:07:21
>> Not great, Jillian.00:07:24
>> I've never heard of that song. Israel00:07:25
slaughters. Hold on. Hold on. I mean,00:07:28
slaughters our children over and over00:07:30
and over again. And all we do is all we00:07:33
And and Piers, this is really important.00:07:35
It's not that the American people are00:07:36
Islamophobic. It's that American media,00:07:39
mainstream media and all is almost all00:07:42
the Israeli supporters are the most00:07:44
bigoted racist people in the country.00:07:47
They despise Muslims. All they do is00:07:49
smear Muslims 24/7 while pretending that00:07:52
they're concerned about bigotry, but00:07:54
only when it affects their beloved00:07:57
Israel. So they're like, "Oh my god, I'm00:07:59
so concerned about anti-semitism. Oh,00:08:02
you said something slightly true,00:08:03
actually very true about Israel, but it00:08:05
hurt my feelings. YOU'RE AN ANTI-SEMITE.00:08:07
Firearm castle, etc. This is all00:08:09
thuggery. There's a bunch of pro-Israeli00:08:12
forces inside America. They've taken00:08:14
over our Congress. They've taken over00:08:16
mainstream media. And not only do they00:08:18
try to smear, cancel, fire, and arrest00:08:21
anyone who criticizes Israel. But on top00:08:23
of that, they now demand that you be00:08:25
racist and bigoted against Muslims. And00:08:28
and it's so hilarious to hit with your00:08:30
words >> because mom Donnie hold on let me finish00:08:32
hold on let me finish let me finish let00:08:33
me finish let me finish let me finish so00:08:37
let me finish so now they go okay even00:08:41
though Manny has never said anything00:08:43
anti-semitic nothing against Jews and00:08:44
even though the majority of Jews00:08:47
according to polling are supporting mom00:08:48
Donnie 67% of younger Jewish Americans00:08:51
in New York that's under 45 are00:08:53
supporting mom Donnie we're going to lie00:08:56
anyway and we're going to say, "You know00:08:58
what? He's a dirty Muslim and you should00:09:00
hate him for supporting Muslims." And00:09:02
that's what almost all of the Israeli00:09:04
supporters are doing. Almost all of00:09:05
mainstream media and that sick,00:09:07
disgusting Andrew Cuomo, who's as00:09:10
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>> All right, go ahead.00:10:03
>> Why is it that every time someone wants00:10:05
to criticize Mammi, it immediately comes00:10:07
back to the Jews and the anti-Israel00:10:09
movement instead of actually talking00:10:10
about his viewpoints, which is that00:10:12
>> nobody said Jews.00:10:14
>> You just said it. You always do that. We00:10:16
say Israel, you say Jews. We say Israel00:10:19
is a government. Please don't make it00:10:21
about Jewish Americans. And you come00:10:23
back, YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT ABOUT JEWISH00:10:24
AMERICANS. WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU? WHAT'S00:10:27
WRONG WITH YOU? >> Is Israel a Jewish state? Yes or no?00:10:29
>> First of all,00:10:30
>> okay, so is a Muslim state and you can00:10:33
criticize it all day long. All day long.00:10:35
I don't THERE'S NO SPECIAL PROTECTION00:10:37
>> BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS you're00:10:38
decoding language that calls a Jewish00:10:41
STATE OR A MUSLIM saying that we should00:10:43
not be here and we should not be in00:10:44
existence and that you would be happy00:10:46
for other people like I want Israel to00:10:48
be safe.00:10:50
You're totally lying00:10:53
normal for a miller to be completely and00:10:55
utterly lying. That's not true. We want00:10:57
Israel to be a safe haven for Jews 196700:11:01
borders. But you GUYS SAY NO MORE00:11:03
PALESTINIAN LAND. TAKE THE WEST BANK.00:11:06
TAKE SOUTHERN LEBANON. YOUR GREED knows00:11:08
no bounds. And by the way, YOU AND YOUR00:11:10
HUSBAND ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING FOR00:11:11
AMERICA. Not for Israel. I think you're00:11:15
betraying this country.00:11:16
>> All right. Check. Let Katie Pierce00:11:20
on a quick note.00:11:21
>> Omar. Omar. Omar. Omar. I'll come to00:11:23
you. But let Katie finish her point.00:11:25
Then I'll come to you.00:11:27
>> Katie. >> No. Pierce. Quite frankly, I'm really00:11:28
sick and tired of this racist bigoted00:11:30
rhetoric that can comes from people like00:11:32
you against my husband, against my00:11:34
family, and my children. I am raising00:11:36
Jewish children in this country to this.00:11:40
>> What a weirdo.00:11:42
>> Piers, I'm going to be done with this if00:11:44
you're going to allow racist and bigot00:11:46
attacks against one of your commentators00:11:48
just for the sake that he will not00:11:50
speak. >> Casey, to be clear, Casey, to be clear,00:11:53
>> comments, he inserted a line that says00:11:54
THE MILLER LINE. IS THAT NOT CODED00:11:56
LANGUAGE for therefore we are Jewish?00:11:59
>> Come on, Beerus. Where are you? Where00:12:01
are you standing?00:12:02
>> GOD, YOU'RE SO IF I CAN SPEAK TO YOUR00:12:07
FIREARM, I'M CANCELLED. I'm cancel00:12:09
AMERICA. OH MY GOD. ISRAEL'S FEELINGS00:12:11
HAVE BEEN HURT. WHY DON'T YOU WORK FOR00:12:13
THIS COUNTRY THIS COUNTRY instead of Can00:12:16
we try? All right. Can we play? All00:12:18
right. Let's stop the ad homonym00:12:19
attacks. Let's try and get this back to00:12:21
a more civilized debate which is00:12:23
actually about the likely incoming mayor00:12:26
of New York. Katie, I was giving you the00:12:28
chance to respond. If you want me to do00:12:29
it for you, I'm happy to do that. But00:12:31
normally in a panel discussion, if00:12:33
someone makes,00:12:36
>> you know,00:12:37
>> I agree and you shouldn't be00:12:38
interrupted. So00:12:41
Katie, let let me just ask you separate.00:12:44
Let's not get into ad hominemum stuff.00:12:45
It's honestly I think the viewers are00:12:47
sick of it. Let me just ask you. Let me00:12:49
just ask you Katie, what what is your00:12:51
fundamental opposition to Mandani?00:12:54
Because my my view of Mandani is he is00:12:57
he's very charismatic. He's a skillful00:12:59
politician. He has reigned back on some00:13:02
of the more inflammatory things. He00:13:03
undeniably said the stuff he said about00:13:05
the NYPD would be for some people00:13:07
disqualifying frankly in a city like New00:13:09
York, but he's managed to come through00:13:10
that by reigning back on some of that00:13:12
stuff. Um, and he is, as Czechugo00:13:15
rightly points out, he has a remarkable00:13:18
popularity with young Jewish New00:13:21
Yorkers. I mean, it is remarkable that00:13:23
for someone who people have branded00:13:26
anti-semitic, a lot of Jewish New00:13:28
Yorkers simply don't agree. They want to00:13:30
vote for him. So, he is what he is. I00:13:32
also think, as Jillian pointed out, that00:13:34
a probably a more uh obvious stick to00:13:37
beat him with politically are his views,00:13:40
which are pretty socialist. And what is00:13:42
fascinating about this politically00:13:44
looking at the totality and potentially00:13:46
a future general election is if you have00:13:49
a progressive socialist like Mandani who00:13:52
wins in New York is that the way the00:13:54
Democratic party is now going to go and00:13:57
does that have any chance of winning00:13:59
against what would likely be another00:14:01
MAGA candidate in 2028? So these are big00:14:04
big picture issues that will come out of00:14:06
a Mandani victory. But from your00:14:08
perspective, Katie, what is your00:14:10
fundamental opposition to Ma Donnie00:14:13
becoming New York Mayor?00:14:15
>> I want to start off with, do you agree00:14:16
when your guest says that the Millers00:14:18
always lie? Because that's what your00:14:20
guest on your show just said is that the00:14:21
Millers always lie. And so now I'll00:14:23
continue into saying Montami, just as00:14:25
you here, is a socialist. He is someone00:14:28
who is going to drive New York to the00:14:30
bottom. I'm excited for him to win00:14:31
because he will prove to every other00:14:33
single large city in our country that00:14:36
what you will see is failure. What you00:14:37
will see is high crime. What you will00:14:39
see is murders. What you will see is a00:14:41
is a prominent city in our country fall00:14:43
into complete disrespair disrepair. And00:14:45
you will see large amounts of capital00:14:47
and tax dollars exit the city00:14:49
immediately because what people are00:14:50
voting for is their own downfall. When00:14:52
you play into identity politics as he's00:14:54
done, when you stand behind a podium and00:14:56
your first comment is, "Oh my gosh, my00:14:58
my aunt on the train instead of talking00:15:00
about all those who lost their lives on00:15:02
911," then you're doing something wrong,00:15:04
Piers. But I will sit here and say that00:15:07
for for the reasons in which he is wrong00:15:09
and which he will drive New York into00:15:11
failure is again the same reason why00:15:14
people on your show instead of arguing00:15:16
the merits as you say of his opinions00:15:18
they're going to sit here and use00:15:20
attacks on my husband and myself instead00:15:23
of debating us on our values and our00:15:25
opinions it is gross it is racist and it00:15:28
is bigoted and I will not join your show00:15:30
again if you00:15:31
>> your suck that's what I'm debating00:15:34
>> this is so ridiculous yeah Well, well,00:15:36
Katie, let me just make it clear.00:15:38
>> No, no, no. Chank chank. Stay out of00:15:41
this. Katie, let me just respond to00:15:43
that. Katy, normally when someone makes00:15:45
an ad hom attack on another panelist,00:15:48
that panelist is on the receiving end,00:15:50
gives it back, right? And you've chosen00:15:52
instead, it seems to me, to to want me00:15:54
to do that for you. I don't mind doing00:15:56
that, right? But I it to me, you could00:15:59
easily respond. were perfectly skilled00:16:00
and capable enough to respond to what00:16:02
Shank said about you and you've done00:16:03
that and you've argued, you know, very00:16:06
passionately why Mandani would be a New00:16:08
York mayor. I'm not taking sides here. I00:16:10
actually don't like any of the ad00:16:12
hominemum attacks that come on the show.00:16:14
But it's interesting to note that there00:16:16
have been an increasing number of very00:16:18
ad hominemum attacks on Mandani and a00:16:21
lot of it has had a whiff of genuine00:16:23
Islamophobia. And I don't think it means00:16:25
that any of us have to endorse that or00:16:27
anything to to actually accept that that00:16:30
is what's been happening. And I see the00:16:32
same thing happen with Jewish candidates00:16:34
in American politics. I see a stench of00:16:37
anti-semitism from certain quarters00:16:39
towards Jewish candidates. But we00:16:41
certainly see this with Mandali and it's00:16:43
ugly and it's horrible and it shouldn't00:16:46
be. >> Yeah, you are a guest on my show and I00:16:48
appreciate you coming on the show and I00:16:49
like you coming on my show. I think00:16:51
you're able to are welcome to00:16:53
participate in these anti-semitic00:16:54
attacks that is so permeating on CNN and00:16:56
XNC ridiculously00:16:59
I'm sorry I have to jump in here.00:17:01
Somebody criticizing you personally is00:17:03
not an anti-Semitic attack. If somebody00:17:05
says that you are lying, that is not an00:17:07
attack on Jews, that is an attack on00:17:08
you, and just stop hiding behind00:17:10
identity. This is all the snowflake00:17:12
behavior that the right is supposedly00:17:13
criticizing the left for that you're00:17:15
simply repeating here. Yes, Steven00:17:17
Miller is a destructive force in00:17:18
American society. That is not an attack00:17:20
on Jews. That is no reference to his00:17:21
identity. This is an attack on him00:17:23
individually and just deal with the00:17:24
merits of this case. And also, when it00:17:26
comes to Mandani and all the stuff that00:17:28
he said,00:17:29
>> let's go there. whatever you want to00:17:31
call him. That's you have to be clear00:17:32
about the fact00:17:33
>> bring us the Israeli state, right?00:17:35
That's that's how we got here in the00:17:36
first place. Let's rewind.00:17:37
>> Manny and we should be clear about what00:17:39
Manny said in relation to policing in00:17:41
New York and Israel.00:17:43
>> We should how we got here was Jillian00:17:46
very very perfectly pointed out that we00:17:48
should not use politics to get here and00:17:50
immediately we went to the state of00:17:52
Israel.00:17:54
>> No, I'm sorry. The state of Israel is00:17:56
not identity politics. that is a foreign00:17:57
government that is engaged in genocide00:17:58
and war crimes and we're allowed to00:18:00
criticize that without you pulling00:18:01
identity politics into this. It is00:18:03
utterly unrelated. And Mamani, by the00:18:05
way, he was not asked about 911 and just00:18:07
randomly decided to drag his aunt into00:18:09
this. He's talking about Islamophobia00:18:11
specifically in a context in which he is00:18:13
under relentless Islamophobic attacks,00:18:16
including by Andrew Cuomo. And in that00:18:18
context, he brought up the story of his00:18:20
aunt and the fear that she felt living00:18:21
in New York City. That is a legitimate00:18:23
part of the conversation. and you00:18:25
pretending and you pretending that this00:18:27
was comments about him having00:18:29
>> uh disregard for the real victims of 91100:18:31
who were actually died on that day is00:18:33
such00:18:34
smearing against him and I'll say and00:18:37
I'll say all the references that Manny00:18:39
has made00:18:41
and the IDF is simply pointing out00:18:43
factually that there is collaboration00:18:45
there. >> I go to New York a lot. I love New York00:18:48
and there's no doubt to me that what he00:18:50
has said on the record, Ma Dani, about00:18:52
the NYPD is deeply offensive to a lot of00:18:55
New Yorkers and there's no getting away00:18:57
from that. You know, him saying that00:18:59
about the NYPD, we have to make it clear00:19:01
when the boot of the NYPD is on your00:19:03
neck, it's been laced by the IDF. That00:19:06
is a really insensitive00:19:08
thing to say when he00:19:09
>> that is a reference to that is a00:19:11
reference to an actual program where New00:19:14
York City police go to Israel on the00:19:16
dime of the ADL or or in in00:19:18
collaboration with programs through the00:19:19
ADL so they can train with the Israeli00:19:21
police and the Israeli military. An00:19:23
apartheid repressive state should not be00:19:25
training American police. And yes, some00:19:27
of those brutal tactics do come back to00:19:28
the United States and impact Americans.00:19:30
So simply pointing a factual statement00:19:32
about the fact that there is a pro00:19:33
problematic program there of00:19:35
collaboration I think is fair. I think00:19:37
pointing out frankly it seems like a00:19:39
statement that should not even be in in00:19:41
dispute or question. I don't know what00:19:42
the controversy is. Statistics in00:19:44
America show consistently that brown00:19:46
people and black people are stopped by00:19:47
police more frequently. So saying that00:19:49
there's a racism problem that's not an00:19:51
indictment of policing altogether.00:19:53
That's simply pointing out that there00:19:54
are problems that need Okay, you're00:19:57
never going to address these problems if00:19:59
you're not if you're afraid to mention00:20:00
them. >> Omar, Omar, Omar, Omar. He's not saying00:20:03
that there is some racism. He said the00:20:06
NYPD is racist, anti-quer, and a major00:20:10
threat to public safety. What we need is00:20:13
to hashdefund the NYPD. Those are his00:20:17
words in June 2020. Now, he may want to00:20:20
have a revisionist view of his own00:20:22
words. He may have reigned back on some00:20:24
of those words, but those words exist in00:20:27
a post he made on social media. That was00:20:29
his belief. He didn't just say some of00:20:32
the NYPD were racist or homophobic or a00:20:35
threat to public safety. He said the00:20:37
NYPD itself in totality was. And again,00:20:41
if you live in New York and you rely on00:20:43
the NYPD to police your streets, or if00:20:46
you work in the NYPD, that is an00:20:48
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>> If you're not running for office00:21:58
on social media, that's one thing.00:22:01
>> No, I think sometimes your views are one00:22:03
thing. I don't I don't I don't buy into00:22:05
that, Omar. I don't Omar Omar, I don't00:22:07
buy into that. I'm sorry. It shouldn't00:22:09
make any difference.00:22:10
>> You don't think that when you're running00:22:11
for office, you get an opportunity to00:22:12
phrase yourself more eloquently. That00:22:14
doesn't count.00:22:15
>> Hang on. No, hang on. No, sorry. I think00:22:17
what counts is what you honestly believe00:22:19
in any given moment. He clearly believed00:22:22
that or he wouldn't have opposed it. The00:22:24
idea that when you run for office,00:22:25
suddenly you change all your opinions. I00:22:28
don't buy that. I actually like to judge00:22:30
politicians on what they have previously00:22:32
said when they were civilians because00:22:34
it's often more enlightening about what00:22:36
they really think about things. And if I00:22:38
was in the NYPD, I'd be very concerned00:22:40
about Maani given what he said publicly00:22:43
about the NYPD. And I don't think that's00:22:45
intellectually dishonest. I think it's00:22:47
assessing what Maani said in real time00:22:50
as his honestly held belief about the00:22:52
New York Police Department. So you there00:22:54
are things that look, like I say, he's00:22:56
charismatic. He's he's clearly uh very00:23:00
popular uh notably amongst young Jews in00:23:03
New York. I think that's really00:23:04
interesting. He's likely to be the mayor00:23:05
of New York City, but he thoroughly00:23:07
deserves proper scrutiny of what his00:23:09
views have been. And I think his views00:23:11
about the NYPD are inflammatory and you00:23:14
know, he's got to address that. Um I00:23:16
just hold fire panel for a moment. I00:23:18
want to bring in now a Florida uh00:23:21
congressman uh Randy Fine. Randy Fine,00:23:23
welcome to Uncensored. Um but what is00:23:27
your view of Ma Dami? I think you want00:23:28
him deported. Is that right?00:23:31
>> I do. I look I think Mam Dami lied in00:23:33
his naturalization application. He did00:23:35
not share he was a member of DSA. He did00:23:37
not share his his affiliation and his00:23:39
love for the five Muslim terrorists and00:23:42
I think that was dishonest and I don't00:23:43
think he should be a citizen. I think00:23:45
that needs to be investigated as we need00:23:47
to do for many people who've come in00:23:48
over the last 30 years. One of the most00:23:50
fascinating things about this election00:23:52
in New York is Mandani is losing00:23:54
overwhelmingly among those who were born00:23:56
in the United States. His only chance of00:23:59
becoming mayor is because of those who00:24:00
grew up with values other than being00:24:03
American. And I think that's something00:24:04
that should alarm everyone.00:24:08
>> But the the way you phrase that, you00:24:10
know, if I can pick you up on that,00:24:13
>> you know, what do you mean? I mean,00:24:14
these are you have to be born in America00:24:17
to be an American. Is that your00:24:18
position? No, but by the way, there's a00:24:20
reason the framers of our Constitution00:24:22
said that to be president of the United00:24:24
States, you had to be born here. There00:24:26
is something about growing up here,00:24:27
going through your childhood, being00:24:29
inculcated with American values,00:24:31
becoming part of that melting pot that00:24:33
made America great. When my family came00:24:36
here over a hundred years ago, they came00:24:38
here because they loved America, not00:24:40
because they wanted to change it. They00:24:41
wanted to become part of the American00:24:43
social fabric. But what you see in New00:24:45
York is people who have come here not to00:24:48
become part of America but to change00:24:50
America. And that is there's nothing00:24:52
wrong with America. And there's nothing00:24:54
that fundamentally needs to be changed.00:24:56
This is the greatest country in the00:24:58
history of the world. And we have too00:24:59
many people coming here who do not00:25:01
believe that. Starting with Mandami00:25:03
himself.00:25:06
>> You said yesterday that Shen Yuga, one00:25:07
of our panelists today, is an invader.00:25:10
What did you mean by that?00:25:12
>> I think it's a great example. I I00:25:13
actually talked in that post about00:25:14
Mandami. I talked about Elon Omar. I00:25:16
talked about about the the gentleman you00:25:18
recognize. These are all wealthy00:25:20
foreigners who move to the United States00:25:22
and then constantly talk about how bad00:25:25
it is. He made a post saying I should be00:25:27
deported to Israel that I have dual00:25:29
loyalty. My family's from America. I was00:25:31
born here. My parents were born here.00:25:34
Most of my grandparents were born here.00:25:36
My relatives that came here over a00:25:37
hundred years ago came because they were00:25:39
desperate to be part of the greatest00:25:41
country in the history of the world.00:25:42
They did not come and then go on00:25:44
constantly about how bad it is and about00:25:46
how terrible it is and about how things00:25:48
need to change. If folks want to come to00:25:51
America, they should love it. They00:25:53
should share its values and they should00:25:55
want to add value immediately. And far00:25:57
too many people who are coming do not00:25:59
share those values. And I believe it is00:26:01
a threat. The barbarians are no longer00:26:03
at the gate. They are now inside.00:26:06
>> Wow. So you're calling Cheng Yuger a00:26:08
barbarian. Well, given he's here, let me00:26:09
bring him into this. Chang, what is your00:26:11
response to that?00:26:12
>> Yeah, no, I don't mind because I I agree00:26:15
uh that there are barbarians inside the00:26:18
gate and that's Randy Fine. Randy Fine00:26:20
is a sick terrorist sympathizer. Uh in00:26:24
fact, if he he wants America to do00:26:26
terrorism on Israel's behalf, he has00:26:28
said we should nuke Gaza. That's killing00:26:30
millions of innocent children uh and and00:26:34
human beings and civilians. But he00:26:35
doesn't care. He only cares about00:26:36
Israeli lives. By the way, the Israelis00:26:38
have murdered uh now nearly a dozen00:26:41
Americans in the West Bank. No00:26:42
accountability from our government. And00:26:44
people like Randy Fine say we should00:26:46
give We owe Israel. We owe Israel a00:26:49
genocide. We owe Israel $300 billion. We00:26:52
owe them no accountability at all when00:26:56
they kill American citizens. They had a00:26:58
pervert Israeli government official that00:27:00
came here in Vegas and tried to rape our00:27:02
children and we let him go. That's00:27:04
insane. Randy, fine. Are you asking for00:27:06
the sick Israeli government to return00:27:08
the pedophile so he could face justice00:27:11
here? No. Randy Fine represents Israel,00:27:14
not America. Everybody knows that. He00:27:15
also said we should starve all the00:27:17
Gazins. So he's right. There's a00:27:20
sickness inside our government. Apac and00:27:22
the Israeli lobby have given to 90% of00:27:25
Congress. They've given him a half a00:27:27
million dollars and that was a giant00:27:28
waste because he works for Israel00:27:29
already. So Randy, we're all sick of00:27:32
your terrorist sympathies towards00:27:35
Israel. They have committed 75 October00:27:38
7th. Their civilian kill ratio is 83%.00:27:41
Worse than Hamas, worse than any00:27:43
terrorist organization. They have00:27:44
murdered 256 journalists, more than all00:27:47
other conflicts combined. They murdered00:27:49
104 people today, including 46 children.00:27:52
They burned them alive. And we're sick00:27:54
of Israeli terrorism. And we're sick of00:27:56
people like you forcing good Americans.00:27:59
I love this country. I didn't come here00:28:02
to be a occupied territory of Israel. I00:28:05
came here because I love America and the00:28:07
freedom and the equality and the justice00:28:09
that comes with it. If you think your00:28:10
grandparents who came here were not00:28:12
loyal to America, I you know that's your00:28:14
business. But no, most of the people00:28:16
that come here come because we00:28:18
absolutely love this country and not00:28:21
Israel. I go serve. Why don't you go to00:28:23
the Knesset, brother? I everybody knows00:28:25
you love Israel and you despise00:28:27
Palestinians and you love Israeli00:28:29
terrorists. So why don't you move to Tel00:28:31
Aiv already?00:28:33
>> Okay. All right, Jake. Let Randy fine00:28:35
respond. Randy.00:28:37
>> Well, thank you, Pearson. And thank you00:28:38
for the surprise debate. I actually00:28:39
enjoy that. Look, there's a concept in00:28:41
Islam called tea where you're allowed to00:28:43
lie in advance of your political views.00:28:45
And you just got a great a great crash00:28:47
course. A great crash course. All of00:28:49
those things were nonsense. But what to00:28:51
the notion that I am more loyal to00:28:53
Israel than I am the United States is00:28:55
part of it. Israel is fighting a war of00:28:57
civilization on our behalf. The reason00:29:00
we need a Jewish state of Israel is00:29:02
because of the Muslims that surround it.00:29:04
And so I stand with Israel because I00:29:06
believe Israel is fighting the same00:29:07
fight that we have here in the United00:29:09
States. The same fight that people like00:29:11
Mandami and Chen, wealthy Muslims who00:29:14
move here in order to change the complex00:29:17
and the nature of our country are going00:29:18
to do it. And I won't apologize for00:29:20
that. I am very proud of my views. I'm00:29:22
very proud of my faith. I'm proud to be00:29:23
the first member of Congress in the00:29:25
history of the United States to wear a00:29:27
yamaka, which you may be able to see on00:29:29
my head. And I know that drives them00:29:30
crazy because we're not supposed to do00:29:32
that. But they gave me the nickname the00:29:34
Hebrew hammer for a reason, and I'm not00:29:36
going to be afraid to use it.00:29:39
>> But Randy Fine, when you said I don't00:29:41
give a Hang on, hang on. Hang on,00:29:43
Shank. Hang on, Shank. Randy Fine, when00:29:45
you said, "I don't give a about00:29:47
Gazans,"00:29:48
were you proud of that statement?00:29:50
>> Well, I think the context there is Gaza00:29:53
attacked Israel on October 7th, of the00:29:56
thousands of people who streamed across00:29:57
the border to kill every man, woman, and00:30:00
child that they could, many of them,00:30:03
thousands of them were not quote unquote00:30:06
card carrying members of Hamas. And so00:30:08
when you start a war and you are losing00:30:11
the war, if you do not like what that is00:30:13
doing to you, then you surrender in that00:30:16
war. Gaza chose to be the enemy. Gaza00:30:19
chose to attack Western civilization.00:30:21
And no, I didn't care what happened. It00:30:23
was my view that if they didn't like it,00:30:25
they needed to surrender. Something by00:30:28
the way they still haven't done because00:30:30
yesterday the Gazins killed another IDF00:30:33
soldier in a place that even under the00:30:35
peace deal they are allowed00:30:38
I don't00:30:40
the Germans but Randy fine you I've not00:30:43
I've not had actually any guest I have00:30:45
to be honest here I've not had any guest00:30:48
who has used the phrase gazins rather00:30:51
than Hamas given it was specifically00:30:54
Hamas that perpetrated the appalling00:30:56
terror attacks on October the 7th. It is00:30:59
a mass that has the governmental power00:31:02
still in Gaza. It's not the It's not the00:31:05
Gazan people. It's not the civilian00:31:08
population. Why are you deliberately00:31:10
conflating Gazans in totality with Hamas00:31:14
when Hamas numbers may be 40 50,00000:31:16
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>> Here's because because that is a00:32:18
propaganda lie. I'll give you two00:32:20
points. Number one, thousands of the00:32:22
people who streamed across the border on00:32:24
October 7th were not members of Hamas.00:32:27
That has been wellestablished. Thousands00:32:29
of people came across the border who00:32:31
were so-called civilians. And second,00:32:32
polling just came out today. polling00:32:35
just came out today that said if an00:32:37
election were held in Gaza today, Hamas00:32:41
would win overwhelmingly. Does that now00:32:44
does that mean every Gazin supports00:32:46
Hamas? No, it does not. But to try to00:32:49
differentiate the two attempts to imply00:32:51
that some small percentage of Gazins00:32:54
support or like Hamas. That is not what00:32:57
the data suggests. And we should not00:32:59
allow us to be say these two are00:33:01
completely different Gazins and Hamas00:33:03
because they are not.00:33:04
>> All right. All right. So all right. So00:33:06
Randy fine. So when for example uh the00:33:09
United States along with my country, the00:33:11
United Kingdom and others waged what00:33:13
many believe to have been an illegal war00:33:16
against Iraq in 2003 with the00:33:19
catastrophic consequences of a million00:33:21
deaths, the rise of ISIS and so on. I is00:33:24
your position then that in that00:33:26
circumstance every single civilian00:33:29
American is equally culpable to the00:33:33
military that waged that illegal war and00:33:35
therefore any repercussions against any00:33:38
Americans on mainland America would be00:33:40
justified because that's what you're00:33:42
saying. >> No, no, it's it's not what I'm saying.00:33:44
But I would note in the war that Israel00:33:46
has fought against Gaza, the percentage00:33:48
of civilians who have died versus the00:33:50
percentage of combatants is far lower00:33:52
than we saw in that war. Yet the outrage00:33:55
perpetrated against Israel in a war00:33:57
where almost a thousand IDF soldiers00:33:59
have died in order to minimize the00:34:03
casualties in Gaza. If Israel had wanted00:34:05
to wipe Gaza off the map, it could have00:34:07
done that. But it didn't because it00:34:09
wanted to minimize the death that was00:34:12
over there. The only difference between00:34:14
Gaza and Israel is Israel has the00:34:16
capability to do what it is accused of00:34:18
and chooses not to. Gaza does not have00:34:21
the capability to execute the genocide00:34:24
that it wants to because Israel stops00:34:26
it. That is the fundamental difference00:34:28
between the two sides.00:34:30
>> All right, Chen, your final response00:34:32
before we let Randy Fine go.00:34:34
>> Yeah. So, as you've seen, he's00:34:36
constantly referring to the Muslims that00:34:38
surround Israel. They're the real00:34:40
problem. It's open bigotry. he's not00:34:42
even hiding it. And then he'll go and00:34:43
hide behind the human shields of good00:34:45
innocent Jewish Americans and say, "Oh,00:34:48
no. If you criticize Israel, you're00:34:49
actually criticizing Jewish Americans."00:34:51
Which no one did. Uh it's the the00:34:54
dirtiest trick in the using the00:34:56
anti-semitism card to protect uh his00:35:00
form of terrorism that he supports,00:35:02
which Jewish Americans do not support.00:35:04
Uh and so he says it's okay to kill the00:35:07
Gazins, which is collective punishment.00:35:09
He's not only said to nuke them and00:35:11
starve them, but he just said it right00:35:12
here on this air. He's a deeply sick man00:35:15
who wants to put a moral stain on this00:35:17
country by forcing us to fund the00:35:20
genocide of the Palestinians. They have00:35:22
already done 75 October 7th, but it's00:35:25
never enough murder for Randy Fine.00:35:28
They've already killed a stadium full.00:35:30
Imagine 20,000 murdered children lit on00:35:33
fire. Their heads exploded. Israel did00:35:36
all of that. And Randy Fine is saying,00:35:38
"It's not enough. Americans, go work00:35:40
another shift because you got to send00:35:42
Israel more money to kill more00:35:44
Palestinian children and put that on00:35:46
America's soul." Don't listen to this00:35:48
guy. He doesn't believe in America. He00:35:51
just his whole point is to make sure00:35:53
that we fund his beloved Israel and00:35:56
their sick, disgusting terrorism.00:36:00
[clears throat] Israel is the largest00:36:01
terrorist entity.00:36:04
>> No, nobody said that. You're the only00:36:05
one who says it. You're the sick,00:36:08
disgusting Muslot.00:36:11
>> No one wants anti-semitism. The only00:36:13
person who wants anti-semitism is you00:36:16
cuz you want to hide behind it. You00:36:18
bring up your Yamaka when no one else00:36:19
did. No one minds your Yamaka except you00:36:22
brought it up as if like you're some00:36:23
sort of victim. You're the one who wants00:36:25
to over a million people at all. You're00:36:27
not a victim. You're a disgusting00:36:30
terrorist sympathizer and I you should00:36:33
not be in the United States Congress.00:36:35
You are on this country and all of your00:36:38
fellow invaders. You are trying to00:36:39
occupy America. So will you steal our00:36:42
money to send money over to Israel to00:36:46
steal Palestinian and Arab and Muslim00:36:48
land. And on on top of that, peers, one00:36:51
thing that's important is pro-Israel00:36:53
people like Randy Fine have spread00:36:56
hatred and fear of Muslims in this00:36:58
country my entire life. They have tried00:37:01
to get everyone to hate Muslims so that00:37:03
they could say, "Oh, look, uh, now we00:37:07
Israel is defending Western00:37:09
civilization. You should murder all the00:37:11
Muslims and you should let Israel take00:37:13
all of their land because we are00:37:15
defending Western civilization." And00:37:18
then they have the audacity. Do you mind00:37:20
if I complain about anti-semitism?00:37:22
>> Do you mind if I make one closing00:37:23
remark? They are the biggest in the00:37:26
country. This is a00:37:28
literally for Okay, Randy.00:37:31
>> Okay. I just want to make it clear to to00:37:33
viewers before you Randy, I'll give you00:37:36
one final uh response because to be fair00:37:38
to you, you did not know you would be00:37:40
engaging in a wider debate with other00:37:42
panelists. I decided to bring Chen in00:37:44
because you called him a barbarian00:37:46
invading United States. I think if you00:37:47
do about a panel member, they're00:37:49
entitled to respond. He's now obviously00:37:52
responded angrily and passionately to00:37:54
you. I'll give you one last word back00:37:56
and then we'll we're going to move back00:37:57
to the panel.00:37:58
>> I would note I did not do that on the00:38:00
show. You could have warned me in00:38:01
advance, but again, I don't mind I don't00:38:03
mind having the debate. I would note00:38:04
this is if Islamophobia was the big00:38:07
issue that Sank Shank makes it out to00:38:09
be, Mam Dami would not have had to lie00:38:12
and make up an aunt that did not exist00:38:14
who is not in the United States dealing00:38:16
with so-called Islamophobia after 9/11.00:38:19
If the problem was real, the stories00:38:21
would be endemic and they would be00:38:23
everywhere. So, people need to not00:38:25
believe the nonsense. The fact of the00:38:26
matter is if you hear someone yell00:38:28
Allahu Akbar walking down the street,00:38:30
you're probably going to take cover.00:38:32
Fear of Islam is rational. Doesn't mean00:38:34
all Muslims are bad. They are not. But00:38:36
this concern that many Americans have00:38:38
and that they have in your home country,00:38:40
it is real. And I thank you for having00:38:42
me on your show today. Happy to come00:38:43
back anytime.00:38:46
>> Okay, Randy Fine, I appreciate you00:38:48
coming on. Thank you very much. We're00:38:49
going to go back to the panel now. We've00:38:50
been waiting patiently there. Um Jillian00:38:52
Michaels,00:38:54
we can hear the nature of this debate.00:38:57
This has been raging now for not just00:38:59
two years. This has been this is a00:39:00
debate that's raged for decades. Um00:39:03
let's talk big picture about Israel for00:39:05
a moment. There was a flare up in the00:39:08
last couple of days where it appears00:39:10
that uh members of Hamas, although they00:39:13
say it was a splinter group and not00:39:14
them, uh killed several IDF soldiers. As00:39:18
a result, Netanyahu ordered a fresh00:39:20
barrage of bombardment uh into Gaza.00:39:23
That has now stopped. Uh they're not00:39:25
saying it's the end of the ceasefire. We00:39:27
had the Qatari prime minister was an00:39:30
interesting intervention I think because00:39:32
they've been obviously pivotal in trying00:39:34
to uh get this peace process resolved.00:39:37
He said that the deadly attack on00:39:39
Israeli soldiers in Gaza and the strikes00:39:41
in response by Israel were very00:39:43
disappointing and frustrating for us.00:39:45
But he added that's basically a00:39:46
violation by the Palestinian party.00:39:49
Whilst he noted that Hamas claimed it00:39:51
was not communicating with the group00:39:52
that carried out the attack, which I00:39:53
thought was a measured response to this.00:39:55
Crucially, it seems the ceasefire in in00:39:59
the big picture is holding. Do you think00:40:02
it can hold or do you think we're going00:40:04
to see a lot more of this and the thing00:40:06
is going to blow apart?00:40:09
I speak only as a layman who wants to00:40:12
see the killing stop. I This has gone on00:40:16
from what I can glean for thousands of00:40:19
years. It's very complicated. I've00:40:21
listened to experts on both sides. I'm00:40:23
hopeful.00:40:25
My optimism is waning a bit. Um, but I00:40:29
think if we if we don't hope, then what00:40:31
do we have, right? If if you're not00:40:34
fighting for peace, what are you00:40:35
fighting for? I I think you've got all00:40:38
of many of the other Arab nations00:40:40
involved and invested. That's00:40:42
exceptionally encouraging. You have00:40:43
numerous guarantee guaranurs of this00:40:46
peace deal. But, you know, to see00:40:49
already what's going on, it is00:40:52
discouraging and it is alarming. And00:40:54
again, I I'm not an expert on this. All00:40:56
I can tell you is I want people to stop00:40:59
dying. And I can acknowledge atrocities00:41:01
committed on both sides. And that's00:41:03
where I stand on it. I want it to stop.00:41:08
>> Okay. Omar, I mean, isn't isn't that as00:41:10
an overview of here something we should00:41:12
all share and embrace?00:41:15
I mean, I would dispute the idea that00:41:17
this has been going on for thousands of00:41:18
years. Uh, this is a way to just say,00:41:20
"Oh, this is a conflict between Muslims00:41:22
and Jews and whatever, and it goes00:41:23
back." The truth of the matter is, we00:41:25
are dealing with a very modern problem.00:41:27
The modern state of Israel is ruling00:41:30
over all of Palestine, imposing a system00:41:32
of apartheid, denying Palestinians their00:41:34
basic rights. They're putting them under00:41:36
military occupation where they don't00:41:38
have the right to movement, don't have00:41:39
the right to attend court, don't have00:41:41
the right to vote for the government00:41:42
that rules their lives, and can't move00:41:44
in and out without Israeli permission.00:41:46
It's a system of domination of one00:41:47
people over another. And that is the00:41:49
core problem, and that is precisely why00:41:51
we are in the situation that we're in.00:41:52
Now, of course, atrocities do exist on00:41:54
both sides. There's no denying it. But00:41:56
we have to be clear about the fact that00:41:58
it is only when there is Palestinian00:41:59
violence towards Israel do we talk about00:42:01
this as a controversy, as a breaking of00:42:03
a ceasefire. You know, we have to note00:42:05
about the fact that since the beginning00:42:07
of the ceasefire, before this attack,00:42:09
Israel had killed more than a hundred00:42:11
Palestinians in Gaza. And yet, you did00:42:13
not hear anybody talking about that as a00:42:14
violation of the ceasefire. That00:42:16
includes a bus full of children who are00:42:18
looking for shelter with their parents00:42:20
driving around looking for someplace to00:42:21
be. And those children get killed and00:42:23
nobody bats an eye. But the second that00:42:25
there is an unknown attack on an Israeli00:42:26
soldier, then we talk about this as a00:42:28
violation of the ceasefire and Israel is00:42:29
going to explode and retaliate by00:42:31
murdering another hundred people, half00:42:33
of them children. I mean, we just have a00:42:35
completely lopsided way of looking at00:42:36
this where Palestinian life is00:42:38
considered dispensable. It doesn't count00:42:40
for anything. Israel can murder them00:42:41
left and right, but only when there's00:42:43
violence towards, in this case, Israeli00:42:45
soldiers who are occupying forces in00:42:46
Gaza, that somehow becomes a point of00:42:49
tension and attention. We start talking00:42:50
about which party is responsible for a00:42:52
ceasefire violation. It's entirely silly00:42:54
and it misses the point underneath. Just00:42:57
last point, last point beers, there is00:42:59
no ceasefire. What there is is pressure00:43:01
from the United States administration on00:43:02
Israel to scale back the genocide so00:43:04
that instead of killing 100 people a00:43:06
day, now they're killing 100 people00:43:08
every couple of weeks. That's the rate00:43:09
at which we're going. But there's still00:43:11
a dynamic in which there's an effort to00:43:13
get rid of Palestinians and there's no00:43:14
prospect for Palestinians to be a free00:43:16
people who rule themselves in Palestine.00:43:18
And that means that this problem is00:43:19
going to continue.00:43:21
Okay, Casey Miller, I think it's now00:43:23
been confirmed that one IDF soldier00:43:26
died. I think initially reported it was00:43:28
two, but either way, when you have the00:43:30
Qatari prime minister who's they've been00:43:32
acting as mediators with this, when you00:43:35
have them confirming it was basically a00:43:37
violation by the Palestinian party,00:43:40
Hamas, then they're acknowledging even00:43:43
in the Arab world that this latest flare00:43:45
up was precipitated by the death of an00:43:48
IDF soldier. Now, people can argue about00:43:51
the scale of the response from Israel,00:43:53
but thankfully it has already stopped.00:43:55
Well, check you can shake your head, but00:43:56
I mean the reality is they responded to00:43:59
the death of one of their soldiers. We00:44:00
may not like the scale of it, but that's00:44:02
what they responded to in this in this00:44:04
particular flare up. The more important00:44:06
thing for me, Katy Miller,00:44:07
>> by killing bystanders.00:44:09
Killing a third party is not a response00:44:11
to this. >> Well, you like I say, you may not like00:44:14
the scale of response. murdered children00:44:16
because one of their SS soldiers was00:44:18
killed and it wasn't even by Hamas. Are00:44:20
you kidding me peers? So they're00:44:22
occupying 53% of Gaza right now. So00:44:25
shouldn't they get the hell out of Gaza?00:44:27
So one of their princess soldiers gets00:44:29
killed and we're supposed to shed a tear00:44:31
for the occupiers. In reality, they00:44:33
murdered 46 children. They murdered 4600:44:37
children today. I can't stand the00:44:40
terrorism of Israel.00:44:42
>> Yeah, but you know what, Jake? When you00:44:43
call when you call the IDF SS soldiers00:44:46
and you compare them directly to the00:44:49
Nazis. Yes. And you know they're Jewish.00:44:51
I find I I'm not Jewish and I find that00:44:54
horrible.00:44:56
>> So no no Israel does Hold on. Let me00:45:00
explain. So Israel does not get a pass00:45:02
on committing another genocide because00:45:05
Jewish people suffered the Holocaust.00:45:07
What happened in the pass? You don't get00:45:09
a passing for calling. Hold on. Hold on.00:45:13
Hold on. So what happened in the00:45:15
Holocaust and all THE POGRAMS AND ALL00:45:17
THE POGRAMS were disgusting doesn't mean00:45:20
that Israel pretending to represent Jews00:45:23
across the world gets to commit another00:45:26
genocide upon a totally innocent people00:45:29
and collective punishment and murdering00:45:31
children over and OVER AGAIN AND GO I00:45:33
GET TO DO IT. I GET TO DO A GENOCIDE.00:45:36
YOU DON'T GET to do a genocide. THERE IS00:45:38
NO JAIL FREE.00:45:39
>> YOU KNOW WHAT I GET TO DO? What I get to00:45:42
All right, Chen. What I get to do is00:45:44
invite every member of the panel to00:45:45
speak fairly and openly. And my question00:45:48
was directed to Katie. I mean, Katie,00:45:50
look, you know, from my point of view,00:45:51
you ask me about that. Would anyone00:45:54
>> And they are they're committing Katie00:45:56
speak. 60% of the kids say shots to the00:45:58
head are chest. They're literal00:46:00
terrorists. >> Let Katie Miller speak. Check. Let Katie00:46:04
speak. Katie,00:46:06
>> I will just say this, Piers. This is my00:46:08
last time on this program. If you're00:46:09
going to invite open anti-semitics to00:46:11
participate on your platform and not00:46:12
call it out for what it is, which is00:46:14
openism,00:46:15
>> I literally just called it out.00:46:18
>> I JUST point inviting him back, giving00:46:20
him the air.00:46:21
>> What more do you want me to do?00:46:22
>> His hatred toward people like myself,00:46:24
towards people like MY CHILDREN, TOWARDS00:46:26
PEOPLE LIKE MY family and again not00:46:28
debate the merits of the argument, but00:46:30
you what kind of lunatic are you?00:46:35
>> In the last segment with Rep. Randy00:46:36
fine, what you said was he had said the00:46:38
word Muslim. He never once said the word00:46:40
Muslim. You immediately turn it to00:46:41
identity politics, which are more than00:46:44
identity politics.00:46:45
>> He did. He did say the word Muslim. He00:46:47
did say Muslim. He did. I heard him. He00:46:49
did say it.00:46:51
>> What you're doing by comparing the SS00:46:55
and the IDF is once again saying that00:46:57
the Israeli state, you're coding it for00:46:59
just saying Jews. You're saying that00:47:01
October 7th and what happened00:47:03
afterwards.00:47:07
You're Let's not forget that there were00:47:08
[laughter] bombers that came from Gaza00:47:10
near daily into Israel.00:47:12
>> LET'S FINISH UP. LET'S NOT FORGET.00:47:14
>> Let's not forget who held Israeli00:47:18
hostages. Was that all Hamas? No, that00:47:20
was also Gazin civilians. Why can't they00:47:23
find and return all of the bodies of the00:47:25
hostages? Why? We saw on video yesterday00:47:28
from an IDF drone that a body was00:47:30
recovered and00:47:31
>> because Israel was genociding Gaza and00:47:33
you can't keep track of what's going on00:47:34
in Gaza when it's under relentless00:47:36
bombardment from the north to the south.00:47:37
I mean it's it's incredible. We're00:47:39
looking at a dynamic in which literally00:47:40
Israeli soldiers are shooting children00:47:42
in the head snipers. Were they all Hamas00:47:45
or were some00:47:47
>> I would like to ask Katie Katie let me00:47:49
ask you a question. The thing I found00:47:51
offensive of of what Randy Fine said,00:47:53
amongst other things actually, but his00:47:55
particular statement uh in which he00:47:58
repeatedly referred to Gazans, not00:48:00
Hamas. I don't think that helps anybody00:48:03
in this debate. Hamas, we know what they00:48:05
are. They're an armed military and00:48:08
political power in Gaza. They do not00:48:10
represent every Gazin. And to try and00:48:13
constantly call the people October the00:48:16
7th Gens, I think is wrong. I sincerely00:48:19
cuz I think it's wrong.00:48:21
>> In the same way I find it offensive when00:48:23
Shank says when Shank says yeah but00:48:26
Shank says the idea for the SS. I find00:48:27
that incredibly offensive particularly00:48:29
given that they're Jewish.00:48:30
>> Why is it a genocide? Why is that00:48:32
offensive?00:48:35
>> Because you're singling you're comparing00:48:36
them directly to the people that wage00:48:39
the Holocaust.00:48:41
>> By the way, you could also call them00:48:42
Turks. You could also call them00:48:44
Ottomans. You could call them Serbs. You00:48:46
could call them um members of Pope Pot's00:48:49
uh campaign. You can call them anything00:48:50
you like. They're all genocides. Now,00:48:52
the Holocaust was even worse. I I get00:48:54
that. But at the same time, it is a00:48:56
genocide. And frankly, when you just00:48:58
simply look at what is left of Gaza,00:49:00
have you seen the footage of it? There's00:49:02
nothing left there. The overwhel just00:49:04
there's complete and total destruction00:49:06
that is obviously aimed at the00:49:07
population and it's admitted to by00:49:09
Israeli leaders themselves. They're00:49:11
saying that they're trying to make Gaza00:49:13
unlivable for Palestinians. They're00:49:15
telling you it's a genocide.00:49:16
>> I don't disagree, Omar. I don't00:49:18
disagree. And when I hear people like00:49:20
Smodri and Bengavir, I think they talk00:49:22
in genocidal language. I've classified00:49:24
it myself as ethnic cleansing. They've00:49:26
mowed no secret that they want to kick00:49:28
all the Palestinians out of Gaza. I00:49:30
think it's disgusting and reprehensible.00:49:31
And when the Israeli government00:49:33
officials we've had on try and pretend00:49:35
that their views don't matter and we00:49:37
should ignore Sodri and Ben, I say why?00:49:39
Why should we? They're senior members of00:49:41
the government for God's sake. So I00:49:42
have, as you know, both of you, you and00:49:44
Shank both know, I've expressed00:49:46
increasingly uh critical views about the00:49:48
Israeli government strategy in Gaza all00:49:50
this year, but I prefer not to get into,00:49:53
you know, debates about this stuff where00:49:55
you shout over Katie Miller and start00:49:58
calling the IDF the SS. I think it's00:50:00
just unnecessary. Now, going back to00:50:02
Katie Miller, Katie, do you think we're00:50:04
going to get a lasting piece?00:50:05
>> Poor little genocide.00:50:06
>> All right. Is your name Katie Miller,00:50:08
Chen? No, it's not. You're not Katie00:50:10
Miller. Katy Miller, do you think we're00:50:12
gonna get a lasting peace here or not?00:50:15
I think we will because again this is a00:50:17
de this is a centuriesl long war as00:50:19
Jillian has said that has persisted for00:50:22
many many years and force united00:50:26
>> for once we have a president who stands00:50:28
up and says let's be done with this who00:50:31
brings everyone together all of the00:50:33
countries in the Middle East to uphold a00:50:36
peace agreement and whether that is one00:50:38
IDF soldier being killed or two and00:50:41
skirmishes whether that is Palestinians00:50:43
killing themselves after this peace00:50:45
after this ceasefire which we saw in the00:50:47
streets of Gaza, right? Is that all we00:50:50
want to have happen is a lasting peace00:50:52
between Israel and the Palestinians.00:50:55
That is it.00:50:58
>> Okay, >> that is utterly clueless. I'm sorry, but00:51:01
Miller does not know what he's talking00:51:02
about00:51:03
>> because Donald Trump is the most00:51:05
clueless president about this stuff.00:51:06
Sure, he's throwing his weight around00:51:08
trying to make sure that there isn't a00:51:09
ceasefire because he's desperate to get00:51:11
some kind of Nobel Peace Prize for peace00:51:12
or whatever or portraying himself as the00:51:14
peace president, but he will not work00:51:18
the minimum that is required for a long00:51:20
and just peace. And that is Palestinians00:51:22
to be free and a president who doesn't00:51:23
understand that Palestinians being a00:51:25
free people in their own land is a00:51:27
prerequisite is not going to achieve00:51:28
long-lasting peace.00:51:30
>> Would you rather war continue? Would you00:51:31
rather00:51:33
>> Would you rather the hostages I'd rather00:51:34
the problem be solved? I'd rather Israel00:51:37
be isolated diplomatically and00:51:38
militarily and financially until it ends00:51:40
its brutal occupation over Palestinian00:51:42
territories and allows Palestinians to00:51:43
be free. That's how you solve the00:51:45
problem. >> No, you keep saying nonsense.00:51:47
>> I do think of all the things of all the00:51:49
things to attack Donald Trump.00:51:51
>> All right. Of all the things to attack00:51:53
Donald Trump about, him actively trying00:51:55
to wage peace and maybe getting a Nobel00:51:58
Peace Prize seems to me the least the00:52:00
least problematic thing about Donald00:52:02
Trump. that a Republican-American00:52:03
president who actively seeks peace, not00:52:06
war, should be celebrated by everybody.00:52:08
Right? So I think when you when is this00:52:10
what I mean about Trump derangement00:52:11
syndrome when people can't even give him00:52:13
credit can't even give him credit for00:52:15
trying to find peace.00:52:16
>> What's wrong with you credit? Somebody00:52:18
who funds a genocide and then decides to00:52:20
arbitrarily put a stop to it briefly by00:52:22
putting some pressure on Israel to cut00:52:24
it out and who basically encourages00:52:25
Israel to bomb Iran and then 12 12 days00:52:28
later takes credit for having stopped00:52:29
that war. You can't be the initiator of00:52:31
war and genocide and then try to take00:52:33
credit for being the peace president00:52:34
because you put us in your own nonsense.00:52:36
That is not how it works. What happened?00:52:38
>> Let's be honest. October 7th is what00:52:40
started this.00:52:42
>> All right. [laughter] Palestines were00:52:45
being killed before several hundred00:52:47
Palestines were killed in 2023 before00:52:48
October 7th.00:52:49
>> All right. We we are moving on. We are00:52:52
going to move on briefly to a couple of00:52:53
other topics I wanted to mention. Katie,00:52:55
while I've got you talking to me, I00:52:57
wanted to mention this is where you and00:52:59
Jake Tat Tappa got into it over the00:53:01
former White House press secretary00:53:03
Karine Jean Pierre. Let's take a look.00:53:06
>> She is quite incompetent to do the job.00:53:08
Right. This is what Republicans have00:53:10
been saying for years now is that she is00:53:12
just another evidence that DEI doesn't00:53:14
work. Whether that's in the White House00:53:16
in your press secretary role or whether00:53:18
that's a you know an air traffic00:53:20
controller, an air pilot, whether that's00:53:22
your doctor, you know, you don't you00:53:23
want to hire the best for the role, not00:53:25
not just based on skin color. Jake, why00:53:27
did she get the job over John Kirby?00:53:29
>> Well, why are we assuming that she is a00:53:31
black LGBT, you know, gay woman is DEI,00:53:34
but a white woman who is behind the00:53:36
podium right now, which DEI initially00:53:38
started as affirmative action, which was00:53:40
about affirmatively hiring women and00:53:42
minorities. Why is one DEI and the other00:53:44
is not? Why did she get the job over00:53:45
John Kirby? Because as everyone has said00:53:47
this week, she is woefully incompetent.00:53:49
>> She had the job long before John Kirby.00:53:51
>> I will I will just say she used to be a00:53:53
commentator on CNN, then she was one on00:53:55
MSNBC, and she was good at that. Like I00:53:58
mean I I'm without getting into the job00:54:00
I thought she did as press secretary. I00:54:02
I thought I I it it didn't seem crazy to00:54:04
me because she was eloquent as a as a00:54:08
commentator. >> Why is she trained every four sentences00:54:10
to say she is a black queer LGBTQ woman?00:54:13
because that's how she's been promoted00:54:14
her entire career.00:54:17
>> You know, I thought it was an00:54:18
interesting debate, Casey. I mean, on00:54:20
her book tour, all we've heard from Jean00:54:22
uh Karan Jean Pierre is her repeatedly00:54:25
saying how proud she was to be a black00:54:27
queer LGBTQ woman. Let's take a look.00:54:31
>> As a black woman, as a person who's also00:54:33
LGBTQ, as a black woman, as a black00:54:37
woman, I am a black woman. I am a queer00:54:40
woman. I am an immigrant. Being a black00:54:42
woman, as a black woman myself, that is00:54:45
the thing that I understood as a black00:54:48
woman is that I meant a lot to people of00:54:51
because of the communities that I00:54:52
represented, whether it was women of00:54:54
color, black women, queer community,00:54:57
LGBTQ community, immigr.00:55:06
I mean, as an advertisement00:55:07
[clears throat] for DEI gone wrong, there you have it in00:55:10
her own words, right? All she could do00:55:13
to justify her performance in which to00:55:15
remind everybody for two years she kept00:55:17
telling us how brilliantly cognitively00:55:19
aware Joe Biden was when it was quite00:55:21
obvious that the complete opposite was00:55:23
true. So, she was lying from that00:55:24
podium. And I don't care about her skin00:55:27
color or sexuality, but my god, she00:55:30
cares about it. And so when people talk00:55:32
about DEI and they look at the way she's00:55:34
been handling her book tour, all they're00:55:37
hearing is identity politics that the00:55:39
reason we should rate her as a press00:55:41
secretary is because she was a black00:55:43
queer woman. Well, sorry, I don't. I00:55:46
rate you on whether you are any good in00:55:48
your job.00:55:52
>> If you read her her New Yorker interview00:55:54
that she did, she gives an excuse for00:55:56
that. the fact that Joe Biden was00:55:58
wrongfully kicked off the ticket and00:55:59
that's why she left the Democratic00:56:00
party. It's not because the Democratic00:56:01
party did anything wrong, right? She00:56:03
perpetrated the biggest fraud in the00:56:04
American people, but yet she also says00:56:06
Kamla shouldn't have been the00:56:08
presidential nominee, but also says00:56:09
Kamala was wronged because because she's00:56:11
a black woman, she she should have been00:56:13
more celebrated as the nominee. She has00:56:15
so many hypocrisies in one sentence, but00:56:17
then every other sentence talks about00:56:18
her black queerness. And at a certain00:56:20
point, you either stand on the merit00:56:22
that you were qualified to do the job,00:56:24
which we all know after watching two00:56:25
years of her every day give this very00:56:28
terrible press conference, or that she00:56:29
wasn't qualified to do the job. And to00:56:31
me, that is emblematic of the larger00:56:32
problem of the last four years of the00:56:34
Biden administration in which people00:56:35
were not chosen based on their merit or00:56:37
their qualifications. They were chosen00:56:39
solely based on their race. And whether00:56:41
you saw that again with pilots in the00:56:42
sky or your doctor or air traffic00:56:45
controllers, which if you looked at when00:56:47
Trump came in on January 6, there was00:56:49
literally qualifications that said, "We00:56:51
prefer the hiring of dwarves." That is00:56:54
really what it said. And that's not what00:56:56
I want in my air traffic controllers. I00:56:57
want someone who is best for the job.00:56:59
>> Okay. All right. Check yuga. Um, when00:57:02
you look at Karine Jean-Pierre's book00:57:04
tour and you see the repeated identity00:57:06
politics that she's spewing here to00:57:08
justify her role and her performance,00:57:11
you must cringe too, don't you? I mean,00:57:13
nobody wants to see somebody who just00:57:15
endlessly says, "I'm so proud of being a00:57:18
black queer woman at that podium." Why00:57:20
would anyone care that she's a black00:57:22
queer woman at that podium? Why don't we00:57:24
just care that she's good at her job or00:57:25
not?00:57:27
>> I I do totally cringe. Uh, I hate to say00:57:30
it, but I half agree with Katie here.00:57:32
Uh, so the the half I don't agree is00:57:35
that she was hired FOR THAT POSITION.00:57:36
>> NO, I BROUGHT YOU TOGETHER.00:57:39
>> OKAY. UM, so I don't agree that she was00:57:42
hired for that position because she's a00:57:44
black woman or she's queer, etc. She's00:57:46
perfectly capable of being a liar like00:57:48
every press secretary for every00:57:49
president is. Their job is to literally00:57:51
lie for the president. In fact, when00:57:54
Karine Jean Pierre was asked, "Hey, do00:57:56
you have any sympathy for the00:57:57
Palestinians? did do you feel regret any00:57:59
of the propaganda you did uh you know at00:58:02
the time in that role? She said, "Well,00:58:04
I'm a queer black woman, so I was proud00:58:06
of that what I did." What? Well, that00:58:08
doesn't make any sense. They're asking00:58:10
you about a substantive policy question00:58:12
and you're answering, "It's okay. I'm00:58:14
allowed to do whatever I want because00:58:15
I'm a queer black woman." No, you're00:58:17
not. There is no such pass. Okay? And00:58:20
so, so the and she's obsessed with00:58:23
identity politics and I can't stand it.00:58:25
It's a losing strategy. It's a very00:58:27
selfish strategy. And by the way though,00:58:29
Katie, now we have a different DEI in in00:58:32
the in this administration, which is you00:58:34
must show loyalty to Israel. If you00:58:36
don't show loyalty to Israel, you won't00:58:38
get hired and you'll00:58:39
>> All right. Let's not get into that. All00:58:41
right. Okay. But it is Let's not get No,00:58:44
no, hang on. Let's not get back into00:58:46
Israel. No, wait, wait a second, Omar,00:58:48
because I just want to I just want to00:58:49
reference on this similar issue. We had00:58:51
another black queer person by their own00:58:54
uh self- definitionf, Don Lemon, who00:58:57
attacked Megan Kelly on her looks in a00:58:59
way that I found fascinating. Let's take00:59:01
a look at this.00:59:05
>> Megan Kelly, my final words, kind of00:59:08
looks like a Barbie doll covered in like00:59:09
WD40.00:59:11
>> I think she looks trans.00:59:13
>> Let's end on that note.00:59:14
>> She looks, as they say,00:59:16
>> she looks clockable.00:59:20
So, she said he said there that she00:59:23
looks trans and looks clockable, which00:59:25
I'm told refers to a term used to00:59:27
describe a trans person who is not00:59:29
passing as their biological gender. What00:59:31
I was struck by, Jillian, about that was00:59:34
uh there's Don Lemon, the great, you00:59:36
know, standard bearer for the black uh00:59:39
gay community, seemingly using trans as00:59:43
a derogatory way to describe somebody.00:59:46
I'm shocked.00:59:49
I mean, he's the ultimate hypocrite. I00:59:52
am not a Don Lemon fan, but the reality00:59:56
is that I personally am witnessing00:59:59
this kind of othering and name calling.01:00:03
I mean, you're seeing this on both01:00:04
sides. You've got a freaking what was it01:00:07
a text chain that came out on the01:00:09
Republican side with anti-semitic slurs01:00:12
and racist slurs and then you've got a01:00:14
Democratic candidate that had a Nazi01:00:16
tattoo and also had racist slur. Like01:00:19
this is happening on both sides and01:00:21
instead of pointing fingers and who's01:00:23
doing it and who did what and who's for01:00:25
it and who isn't, it should be01:00:27
unilaterally condemned. Identity01:00:30
politics is gross. Period. It does01:00:33
happen on both sides and it should be01:00:36
isolated and marginalized. That's not01:00:39
cool. What Don Lemon just said is gross.01:00:42
It's gross. Period. It would be gross01:00:44
coming out of a Republican's mouth. It's01:00:46
gross coming out of a Democrat's mouth.01:00:48
And it should be unilaterally condemned.01:00:52
>> Yeah. It's actually transphobic,01:00:55
ironically. Omar. Yep.01:00:58
>> Yeah. So certainly what Don Lemon said01:01:01
is incredibly distasteful and there's no01:01:02
way to defend it. But just on the John01:01:04
Pierre bit, I do think frankly that01:01:07
diversity, equality, and inclusion are01:01:09
important things. The United States has01:01:11
a very racist history of excluding a lot01:01:12
of people and we should be celebrating01:01:14
the fact that we are becoming a more01:01:15
inclusive society where people of01:01:17
different backgrounds can rise uh to01:01:19
positions that previously were simply01:01:21
inaccessible. Now I agree with Jenk that01:01:23
this becomes a problem when you start01:01:24
using it as a shield to avoid the01:01:26
substance of conversations. and the01:01:28
recent interview she had on MSNBC in01:01:30
which she's asked about whether she has01:01:32
any regrets about the way she defended01:01:34
Biden's policies and war crimes and what01:01:36
she responded with is her identity. That01:01:38
to me is a misuse and an abuse of DEI.01:01:41
It's a way to trivialize that and and01:01:44
essentially reduce identity politics to01:01:46
something distasteful that becomes a01:01:47
source of criticism when absent these01:01:49
kinds of abuses. I do think that there01:01:51
is room for identity politics in our01:01:52
country that has excluded way too many01:01:54
people because of their identity. And01:01:56
the fact that we're progressing beyond01:01:57
that is frankly something to celebrate01:01:59
and to to look forward to.01:02:01
>> Okay. I I prefer a I just prefer a01:02:04
general country where there's01:02:05
opportunity for all from the grassroots01:02:07
up and then meritocracy overrides01:02:10
mediocrity by ticking boxes. I think01:02:13
it's just so selfharming actually to the01:02:15
communities who people think they're01:02:17
trying to help. I mean, the classic01:02:18
example to me, the I just written a book01:02:20
called Woke is Dead. It's an aspiration,01:02:22
not a statement of fact. Uh, but I think01:02:24
the ideology is dying fast. The people01:02:27
reacting to stuff on the woke side, I01:02:29
think, is just people have had enough of01:02:31
it. But my classic was when Disney01:02:34
remade Snow White and the Seven Dwarves01:02:36
and they decided that dwarf actors could01:02:39
not play the dwarf roles. They01:02:41
therefore, as the dwarf actors told me,01:02:44
deprived dwarf actors of the most prized01:02:47
roles in their business. And they did it01:02:50
apparently to protect the interests of01:02:52
the dwarf actors. If that isn't the most01:02:55
absurd example of of reverse identity01:02:59
politics, selfharming the very people01:03:01
it's is purporting to protect. I don't01:03:03
know what is. Um, I was going to mention01:03:05
one other thing. We've run out of time,01:03:06
but I'm going to give my view about01:03:08
this, which is Riley Gaines and01:03:10
Alexandra Okasio Cortez swapping01:03:12
insults. Gaines saying the US was being01:03:15
destroyed from within by AOC, Mamani,01:03:17
and Bernie Sanders. And rather than01:03:19
respond to that, AOC responded by01:03:22
saying, "Maybe if you channeled all this01:03:23
anger into swimming faster, you wouldn't01:03:25
have come in fifth." Which refers to the01:03:28
race which started Riley Gain's campaign01:03:31
on behalf of women athletes in sport. Uh01:03:34
because of course she was beaten by Leah01:03:36
Thomas, a 6'3 in biological male uh who01:03:40
has been at the center of this absurd01:03:42
debate about whether biological males01:03:44
who identify as trans women. No problem01:03:46
with that. But what you can't do is01:03:48
compete against biological women because01:03:50
there's a reason we separate the sexes01:03:51
in the Olympics. Women wouldn't win01:03:53
anything if we didn't. So I just want to01:03:55
say to Alexander Okaso Cortez, who's01:03:57
never come on this show and is always01:03:59
welcome. Love to have her on. But when01:04:01
you attack a woman who came fifth purely01:04:05
because you AOC support a policy of01:04:09
allowing biological males to compete01:04:11
against women in sport. You that's not01:04:14
the win you think it is.01:04:15
>> It's a big01:04:16
>> she was fifth either way. She tied she01:04:19
tied with a trans athlete.01:04:21
>> So she regardless01:04:24
the the trans athlete should have been01:04:26
nowhere near that pool. Leah Thomas won01:04:28
one race by Leah Thomas won one run one01:04:30
run one run one run one run one run one run one run one run one run one race by01:04:31
50 seconds 50 seconds it's ridiculous01:04:34
anyway that's more of a monologue than01:04:36
an invitation for the panel to all pile01:04:38
in uh I appreciate the panel is very01:04:40
spirited very uh good I'm very glad at01:04:43
the end we got to a tiny but important01:04:45
point of agreement between Katie and01:04:47
Chen I feel like it's the start of a new01:04:49
relationship between you which nearly01:04:51
ended uh within five minutes of today's01:04:53
debate so here's to here's to further01:04:56
moments where I can bring waring parties01:04:58
together and we can reach points of01:05:00
agreement. Uh that would be a lovely01:05:02
thing. Thank you all very much.01:05:05
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