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I'm Dan Dker, president of the Jerusalem00:00:02
Center for Security and Foreign Affairs,00:00:04
and this is our Middle East. Al-Shak00:00:06
al-Assad,00:00:08
today, September 11th, 2025. 24 years00:00:13
since that fateful day when 3,00000:00:15
Americans lost their lives to jihad.00:00:19
[Music]00:00:30
And today in this studio in Israel,00:00:34
jihad continues. And I'm more than happy00:00:39
to welcome perhaps the most appropriate00:00:42
person to discuss the jihad that is00:00:44
spreading, metastasizing across the00:00:47
Middle East and the West. Mos Hassan00:00:49
Yosesef, son of Hamas, the Green Prince.00:00:52
Mosab, it is really great to have you00:00:54
here in studio to help us understand00:00:57
that the um the legacy of jihad of00:01:01
September 11th, that dark day in New00:01:04
York and Washington continues today,00:01:07
jihad tearing across the Middle East.00:01:09
How should we be thinking about it this00:01:11
day? Is it just a memory or is it a00:01:14
living legacy that has to be fought and00:01:16
defeated?00:01:18
Uh well first of all thank you for00:01:20
having me and yes this is the 24th uh00:01:23
anniversary of uh 9/11 attacks00:01:27
uh a very dark day in the American00:01:30
history where jihadists by the name of00:01:34
uh Allah by the name of the Quran00:01:39
reciting Quranic verses justifying the00:01:42
killing of thousands of innocent00:01:45
Americans.00:01:47
Unfortunately,00:01:49
many Americans today, they haven't lived00:01:52
911.00:01:54
Uh they don't remember that day. They00:01:57
don't remember uh American citizens00:02:00
trying to escape uh the hellfire by00:02:05
jumping from the 80th floor.00:02:10
They don't remember the firefighters00:02:14
trying to save as much as many as they00:02:16
could where they get they got cut up in00:02:19
the fire and the buildings collapsed on00:02:21
them. Hundreds of American firefighters00:02:24
were killed on that day as the entire00:02:27
day the entire world was watching. And00:02:31
unfortunately00:02:33
uh today there's so many people who are00:02:35
in denial who want even to rewrite00:02:38
history as 9/11 never happened as00:02:41
jihadists were not behind that. Even00:02:44
some people dare to invert the narrative00:02:48
and accuse uh the Jewish people of00:02:52
committing uh 9/11. It doesn't get worse00:02:55
than this. It it is a living legacy and00:02:59
this is a jihad against civilization.00:03:02
>> You know, Mosab, you mentioned the00:03:06
spreading conspiracy theories against00:03:08
the Jews which over the years became00:03:10
much more common discourse. And if we00:03:13
look back to where it was sourced, it00:03:14
was Osama bin Laden himself, who talked00:03:17
about Israel, who talked about Palestine00:03:20
as being one of the driving motivations00:03:24
for his massive destruction of America's00:03:28
financial center and governmental and00:03:30
parliamentary center in Washington. This00:03:33
is a moment of moral clarity to explain00:03:37
that the instrumentalization, the00:03:40
objectivisation, the use of the00:03:42
Palestine structure to mask jihad is00:03:47
really what the West needs to understand00:03:50
now as jihad tears across the Middle00:03:53
East. And here we are in our Middle East00:03:54
trying to explain it. And you who come00:03:57
from the background, from the culture of00:04:00
jihad and are here to help us understand00:04:03
what it really means for us today, 2400:04:06
years after America suffered that jihad00:04:09
and continues to confront it today in00:04:12
America and in the Middle East and in00:04:14
Europe. >> Right. Well, it's unfortunately00:04:18
the00:04:19
uh the situation after 911.00:04:24
I remember the world uh getting unified00:04:28
behind the United States in their war00:04:30
against terrorism00:04:33
and uh President George W. Bush at that00:04:36
time was very clear. He said you're with00:04:38
us or you're against us. You cannot be00:04:40
in between. He defined the lines.00:04:44
But after October 7, which basically00:04:47
uh jihad against civilization, jihad00:04:51
against00:04:53
not only Israel, it's jihad against00:04:55
democracy and the democratic values and00:04:58
the western values.00:05:02
I expected and I thought that the world00:05:04
would get united the same way that the00:05:07
world got united behind the United00:05:09
States to defeat jihadists.00:05:13
But today unfortunately and after00:05:15
October 7 the world got divided00:05:18
and00:05:19
within no time00:05:24
the narrative was inverted and instead00:05:28
of helping Israel or backing Israel in00:05:31
their fight against jihadists00:05:34
uh the world turned against Israel and00:05:36
this is the difference between 911 and00:05:39
today even though uh the similarity00:05:43
and the common ground between both uh00:05:47
attacks are jihad.00:05:50
Yes, I came from that background.00:05:54
Uh the jihad00:05:56
ideology,00:05:58
but my understanding of jihad growing up00:06:00
was not only physical jihad. It was00:06:03
physical jihad, financial jihad,00:06:05
diplomatic jihad,00:06:07
uh jihad by speech. In fact, in the00:06:10
Quran as as legislation, for those who00:06:14
cannot fight uh physically, they are00:06:17
required to fight financially, to fight00:06:20
with their money. And those who don't00:06:22
have money, they are required to fight00:06:24
by their words.00:06:27
And this is very very clear legislation.00:06:29
It's a command. Um and no Muslim is00:06:33
above that. And all those who identify00:06:36
as Muslims and say, "No, but we we we00:06:39
are not jihadists." No, they are00:06:42
jihadists. And they have been00:06:43
demonstrating this since the beginning00:06:46
of uh of the war, this recent war that00:06:51
by spreading uh propaganda, victim00:06:54
narrative, uh false accusations of00:06:58
genocide, apartheid, colonialism,00:07:02
and the root cause of it is the00:07:04
religion.00:07:05
And it's uh nothing but uh identity and00:07:10
property theft.00:07:13
Uh the jihadists00:07:16
uh don't want only to destroy, they want00:07:18
to dominate. They want a developed land.00:07:22
They want to uh reap the fruits of other00:07:25
civilizations work. And this how Islam00:07:28
actually spread throughout the centuries00:07:31
by invasion by the means of the sword.00:07:34
uh and today uh they find it much00:07:36
cheaper, much easier to spread jihad00:07:39
through diplomacy00:07:41
er exploiting democracy, exploiting00:07:45
freedoms of the west and they have been00:07:48
spreading uh their indoctrination.00:07:52
Palestine and Islam are very similar00:07:55
concepts. Palestine depends on the00:07:58
destruction of Israel and Islam depends00:08:00
on the destruction of civilization. This00:08:03
is exactly what Osama bin Laden said in00:08:05
his letter to America months after the00:08:08
9/11 atrocities. He said uh and in00:08:12
subsequent messages, he said that jihad00:08:15
requires the destruction of the infidels00:08:18
against uh against uh the Muslim world.00:08:23
This is Bin Laden00:08:25
stating his doctrine against America,00:08:28
which is an eternal doctrine. It didn't00:08:30
end on 911, which is why we have we we00:08:34
see that when the Hamas comes to America00:08:37
on October the 8th, which you called the00:08:39
Palestinian jihad against uh America and00:08:43
against the Jews, that America needs to00:08:46
understand that it is not a political00:08:49
problem that it is witnessing between00:08:52
Israel and the Palestinians or the PLO00:08:55
and Hamas. This is a continuation of the00:08:58
legacy of Bin Laden. according to his00:09:00
own words, statements, and doctrine.00:09:04
>> Look, Palestinianism,00:09:06
whether people like it or not, is00:09:08
definitely inspired by the Middle00:09:11
Eastern culture. The Middle Eastern00:09:13
culture is shaped and crystallized by00:09:17
the Islamic belief system. And those who00:09:20
are in denial say, you know, they are uh00:09:22
separate issues. They are lying simply00:09:25
or they just don't want to face the00:09:27
truth.00:09:29
erh the Palestinian indoctrination, the00:09:32
Palestinian ideology00:09:36
depends on domination. This is why when00:09:42
they were given00:09:44
uh the huge part of the land, the00:09:47
historic land of Israel, they rejected00:09:51
uh coexistence with Israel. They00:09:53
rejected a two-state solution, an Arab00:09:56
state and a Jewish state. They simply00:09:59
did not want the Jews period00:10:02
uh cancelling the Jewish right uh to the00:10:05
land. And uh why is that? Because they00:10:10
consider00:10:12
uh Israel or uh what they call Palestine00:10:16
which nothing but a Roman name. It's not00:10:19
even an Islamic name. You will not find00:10:22
it in the Quran at all or in any other00:10:25
Islamic source. It's borrowed only as a00:10:28
medium, as a device eradicate00:10:33
and emulate the Jewish people from the00:10:36
region, which basically the Jewish00:10:39
people have roots way before Islam was00:10:41
here. And it's the continuous attempts00:10:45
throughout the centuries,400 years of00:10:48
attempts to eradicate and ethnically00:10:51
cleanse the Jewish people from the00:10:53
region. Muhammad started that in in the00:10:56
Arab Peninsula in the 7th century and it00:11:00
continued after that through Omar,00:11:02
through the Amawites, through uh the00:11:05
Ottoman Empire and later on it continued00:11:09
from Haj Husseini and Yaser and until00:11:13
today this Yeah, I'm Yeah, I I just00:11:16
wanted just to mention I'm sorry for00:11:17
interrupting you. I want to mention that00:11:19
Hajamin Al-Huseni, the first Grand MUI00:11:22
that was appointed by the British00:11:24
colonialists uh that were uh entrusted00:11:28
with what they call Britishmandate00:11:30
Palestine until 194700:11:33
um was a close associate of the Nazis00:11:36
and they had this uh complete00:11:39
cancellation destruction uh ideology00:11:43
theology. As a matter of fact, the00:11:46
Hajamin together with the Nazis called00:11:48
for the total destruction, the bombing00:11:49
of Tel Aviv in in in those times. But00:11:52
beyond that, what why we're talking00:11:54
about this today connecting uh September00:11:58
11th with October 7th on and and the00:12:01
continuation of the jihad of October 7th00:12:04
until today is that Arafat performed a00:12:07
trick. He bamboozled the West by00:12:11
dressing up a jihad mandate for him as a00:12:15
Muslim brother um as a human rights00:12:18
issue as Palestine00:12:22
uh as a as an issue of uh of human00:12:26
rights of civil rights of uh in in terms00:12:29
that the West could understand. He was00:12:31
told by North Vietnamese General [ __ ] He00:12:34
was advised by Romanian uh communist00:12:37
leader Chaoescu to change the way he00:12:40
presented what essentially was a00:12:42
jihadistic mandate I into terms and00:12:46
language that the West could understand.00:12:48
And that's what perhaps has created this00:12:50
real confusion that that today has cast00:12:54
the Palestinian issue, whether it's00:12:56
Hamas or whether it's PLO, as a00:12:58
political territorial issue when it00:13:00
really just is a continuation of 9/1100:13:02
October 7th until today, September 11,00:13:06
2025.00:13:08
>> Yeah, definitely.00:13:10
the uh it's the same uh ideology just00:13:14
different uh faces different fronts00:13:18
different branches and all of them this00:13:21
why today when you look and see00:13:23
communists and Islamists jihadists00:13:26
>> pairing00:13:28
>> it's impossible in reality because their00:13:30
ideologies are extreme opposites but for00:13:33
some reason now they got united00:13:36
uh they got united because they found uh00:13:38
first of all an angry cause second they00:13:41
found a a common enemy and Americans00:13:44
don't understand the danger of this that00:13:47
is rebranded as Palestine in the west by00:13:51
the name of uh resistance by the name of00:13:55
antifada in the west they say resistance00:13:59
well this is not an Islamic term in00:14:02
Islam it's jihad they say inif it means00:14:06
jihad as well so they They uh they00:14:10
manipulate and juggle with the00:14:12
terminology00:14:13
erh to sell westerners00:14:17
a problem that does not exist but by00:14:20
doing so they infiltrate00:14:22
uh the western uh society and they have00:14:26
succeeded. Of course, the average person00:14:29
is not seen in the bigger picture that00:14:30
we have communists and Islamists. It's00:14:33
considered by by CIA and other00:14:35
intelligence services as the uh green00:14:38
danger and the red danger. Uh both00:14:41
dangers pose existential threat to the00:14:44
United States of America. And today we00:14:47
see these major uh forces00:14:50
attempting to change the world order.00:14:53
They don't want the American Americans00:14:57
to lead. And what do they stand for?00:15:00
They stand for dictatorship. They are00:15:02
all dictatorships. They don't believe in00:15:04
freedoms. They are oppressing women.00:15:06
They oppressing a freedom of speech.00:15:10
They're torturing people. And00:15:13
Americans don't understand how dangerous00:15:15
is this. Because if America, God00:15:18
forbids, uh, stops being the leading uh00:15:22
power, then we are going to be ruled by00:15:24
such savages by by by those who would00:15:28
force everybody to kneel before them and00:15:33
the consequences on humanity and on00:15:36
civilization is devastating. Musab, you00:15:39
have mentioned before something that00:15:42
many people have no idea of, which is00:15:45
that the founder or the drafter of the00:15:48
kamas charter of 198800:15:52
was none other than Abdullah Azam, the00:15:55
mentor of Osama bin Laden, uh the00:15:58
engineer and the brains behind 911. And00:16:01
in fact, Abdullah Azam was a Salafist00:16:05
jih global jihadist and also he was one00:16:09
of really the establishers and founders00:16:12
of of of the Hamas charter. And it's00:16:14
that that connection between what we're00:16:17
facing today from from Hamas's doctrine00:16:20
and the continuation of Hamas's00:16:22
leadership in Qatar. uh that um many00:16:26
people think is a political issue that00:16:28
can be solved by ceasefires and by you00:16:31
know uh some sort of mutual concession.00:16:34
help us understand where we are in terms00:16:38
of the West thinking, you know what, you00:16:40
can make a deal with Hamas. Hamas can00:16:42
stay in power. They'll return some of00:16:45
the hostages within the context of what00:16:47
we're talking about on this day,00:16:48
September 11th.00:16:51
>> Yes, it's very very important that you00:16:52
brought up Abdullah and more importantly00:16:56
before Abdullah was Hassan B and say00:17:00
>> uh the three leaders created the Muslim00:17:02
Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood is00:17:04
the biggest Islamic movement in the00:17:06
world with more than 100 million active00:17:10
members and they are in the United00:17:12
States. The danger of the Muslim00:17:15
Brotherhood that they have so many00:17:17
fronts and they rebrand their names uh00:17:20
to fit and suit each society. Like for00:17:23
example in the United States they have00:17:26
uh they are care00:17:29
they are very caring about the Islamic00:17:32
American relationships but deep in their00:17:35
hearts uh they spit venom when it comes00:17:39
to the American uh superiority. They00:17:42
don't want to see America superior. They00:17:44
want to dominate America. They want to00:17:47
dominate the White House. They want er00:17:50
to um take a ride over the shoulders of00:17:55
all the American achievements so they00:17:59
can rule the world towards the their00:18:01
Islamic kilafa and we know that it's the00:18:05
Islamic kilafa is a dead end. It's00:18:07
proven throughout the history. There is00:18:09
no way uh for them to dominate the world00:18:12
without00:18:13
destroying civilization and then00:18:15
destroying themselves eventually because00:18:17
they can never agree on anything. If we00:18:20
have the Muslim Brotherhood then we have00:18:22
a counter forces called the If we have00:18:25
the then there is the Islamic the Salafi00:18:29
jihadists. If we finish with the Salafi00:18:31
jihadists, they will breed another00:18:34
Islamic version that thinks that they00:18:36
are doing the correct form of jihad,00:18:39
then we go into a loop that is basically00:18:41
endless. And this is why I totally00:18:44
oppose them. You know, if growing up in00:18:48
a jihadi00:18:49
Hamas family, if it was only one vision00:18:54
that was00:18:56
that all of them agreed on it, I00:18:59
probably would have stayed with them.00:19:00
But I know that they are conflicted on00:19:02
each other that you really don't know.00:19:04
Okay, so everyone is claiming to be the00:19:05
jihadi. The same thing with the00:19:07
Palestinians right now and00:19:08
Palestinianism and all those who have00:19:11
joined the cause00:19:13
uh wrapped in kias00:19:16
uh carrying the Palestinian cause as a00:19:20
badge of honor around the globe. You00:19:22
don't know who they are. They could be00:19:24
Islamists, they could be communists,00:19:26
they could be North Korean agents, they00:19:29
could be Russian mafia, they could be00:19:32
the cartel. anybody is claiming to be00:19:34
just uh uh pro Palestine and they don't00:19:37
have leadership the same problem that we00:19:40
are having here. So basically uh the00:19:43
Muslim Brotherhood understand00:19:46
that there is nothing more powerful than00:19:48
those who are willing to die for an00:19:51
angry cause00:19:53
and the danger of spreading hateful00:19:56
indoctrination and uh radicalization of00:20:00
the west. The Muslim Brotherhood has00:20:03
succeeded in creating the climate where00:20:07
it would breed00:20:09
endless generations of terrorists,00:20:13
uh, fanatics, uh, radical00:20:17
uh, and there could be also criminal00:20:19
people and they don't care as long as00:20:21
they are on the path to sabotage the00:20:24
West.00:20:25
>> That's a key phrase, sabotaging the00:20:27
West. You know, Mosab, if Osama bin00:20:30
Laden destroyed the Twin Towers in New00:20:34
York, the Muslim Brotherhood,00:20:37
Hamas, and Islamic Jihad, and even00:20:40
others that are called the PFLP, the00:20:42
DFLP, the Popular Fund for the00:20:44
Liberation of Palestine, they are00:20:46
bringing down the ivory towers on the00:20:49
university campuses because when they00:20:51
say in bring the inifada to America,00:20:55
when they say uh from the river to Y00:20:59
when they say that like uh professors00:21:03
many professors on the far left said on00:21:05
October 8th until today that we have to00:21:08
we have to dismantle and remake America.00:21:11
They are essentially fusing uh radical00:21:16
left revolutionary resistance language00:21:19
and ideology with with this uh Arafat,00:21:23
Hamas, bin Latin Islamism. And that many00:21:26
in America don't understand that the00:21:28
campuses and cities of America when00:21:30
these terms are being used are actually00:21:33
being threatened with exactly the same00:21:36
ideology and lexicon of 9/11 and October00:21:39
7th but just in a different context.00:21:42
>> Of course it sounds very strange.00:21:43
Actually it's stranger than fiction. It00:21:45
is stranger than fiction. uh in in a in00:21:47
a world where where we don't have00:21:49
political borders anymore because the00:21:51
social media and the internet uh help uh00:21:55
Pakistanis, North Koreans, Iranians uh00:21:58
state sponsors, bots even we don't know00:22:01
if they are real or not to invade00:22:04
uh the American continents and what's00:22:08
happening right now that the uh the00:22:10
governments they are not prepared for00:22:13
such attack uh throughout out I would00:22:16
say the last two decades the American00:22:18
government invested so much money uh in00:22:22
defense system against cyber attacks00:22:24
this was the biggest concern but right00:22:26
now they see that uh uh state sponsored00:22:29
bots or we don't know if they are real00:22:31
coming from Saudi Arabia expressing00:22:34
their uh their belief systems and00:22:37
conveying their uh indoctrination using00:22:40
the social media and how much influence00:22:43
they have on the uh American population,00:22:45
especially those who did not live 9/1100:22:47
and they don't know how it felt like on00:22:50
that day for so many Americans00:22:52
who did not live the October 700:22:55
atrocities and they don't know how it00:22:57
feels like to be under the attack of00:22:59
savages.00:23:00
uh then uh Pakistanis and uh I would say00:23:04
the the the vast majority of the Muslim00:23:06
world justified October 7 as an act of00:23:09
resistance and they spread their hatred00:23:11
against the Jewish successful minority00:23:13
and many Americans unfortunately bought00:23:16
the narrative. They bought the narrative00:23:18
that the Jews uh are basically stealing00:23:22
land and killing people and committing00:23:24
genocide. All baseless baseless00:23:28
accusations. So now this is what's00:23:30
happening right now in America. America00:23:33
is is very very vulnerable00:23:36
to uh the uh to to the enemy and their00:23:40
campaign to divide the United States00:23:42
especially taking advantage of the00:23:45
already division in the country.00:23:49
So many Americans are anti the uh00:23:52
foundations of uh Judeo-Christianity.00:23:55
They don't want that. They don't want00:23:57
the conservative party and they want uh00:24:01
other options multiculturalism00:24:04
etc. And uh those are the ones who00:24:07
actually being the extreme left if you00:24:09
can call them. I don't know actually if00:24:10
you can define them because they are not00:24:12
one thing but they are the the ones who00:24:14
are not anchored in the American truth.00:24:17
what makes America uh superior00:24:21
>> and they are they want America to00:24:23
basically compromise its defenses, to00:24:25
compromise its military, to defund the00:24:27
police, uh to uh drop all the um virtues00:24:34
and ethics that made America America00:24:36
superior00:24:38
and leave America defenseless.00:24:42
uh and they are succeeding and again all00:24:45
the enemy entities from the outside have00:24:48
been working and manipulating those00:24:51
differences divisions and subdivisions00:24:54
and what I say the spread of hate for00:24:57
indoctrination00:25:00
uh of the victim narrative instead of00:25:03
the American resilience right now many00:25:06
of the new generation they feel00:25:08
victimized for some reason or at least00:25:10
they feel that they failed the Gaza00:25:11
children because they could not stop or00:25:14
they could not00:25:17
divide the United States and Israel.00:25:19
They want the United States overnight to00:25:23
abandon its allies, to abandon its00:25:25
interest and to become defenseless00:25:28
because this is they think this is not00:25:30
our business. This is what the Russian00:25:33
intelligence is doing. This is what the00:25:34
Chinese intelligence is doing. This is00:25:37
what the00:25:39
all American enemies er coming and their00:25:42
interest has been aligned taken00:25:45
advantage of ignorant people or taken00:25:48
advantage of those who uh have00:25:50
self-hatred within within the American00:25:52
society.00:25:53
>> Absolutely. And you know, um, Mossab,00:25:57
one of the, uh, extraordinary00:26:00
developments in what has been called now00:26:02
diplomatic jihad, not only the physical00:26:05
jihad, is that we have for the first00:26:08
time a overwhelming support coming from00:26:11
Europe for a Palestinian state uh that00:26:15
is supposed to be voted on in the in a00:26:18
special session during the upcoming uh00:26:21
UN General Assembly U gathering.00:26:25
And here you have a very dangerous00:26:27
another trick going on because if after00:26:31
October 7th when the jihad came from a00:26:36
de facto sovereign uh state from within00:26:39
Gaza completely controlled by Hamas uh00:26:44
and uh with elements of Palestinian00:26:46
Islamic Jihad today establishing another00:26:50
Palestinian terrorist state in the hills00:26:52
above Benoran airport in the above the00:26:56
Jordan Valley would essentially endanger00:26:59
the entire coastal area of of Israel and00:27:03
destabilize the entire Middle East. How00:27:05
is it that Europe um particularly does00:27:08
not understand that establishing another00:27:11
platform uh for another October 7th is00:27:14
would be the natural result of uh of of00:27:18
support for a Palestinian state.00:27:21
Look, Europeans are making a a historic00:27:24
mistake that sooner or later they will00:27:26
regret it. And uh in reality, I don't00:27:29
think this is going to affect Israel00:27:30
because Israel understands its security00:27:32
and its priorities. And there is no00:27:35
force on earth that can actually force00:27:37
Israel to accept an enemy state uh that00:27:41
has been proven existential threat.00:27:46
the European or let's say some of the00:27:48
western leaders uh who basically they00:27:51
come and they go now they choose to uh00:27:55
calm the angry mob on their streets00:27:59
which is basically representing their00:28:01
failure their inner failure00:28:05
uh and by exporting their problem uh and00:28:09
projecting it onto the uh on on Israel00:28:14
they think this is how they can calm uh00:28:17
the uh uh riots and the mob that has00:28:22
unrealistic demands00:28:25
uh to force Israel to submit to the00:28:27
demands of uh of terrorism. To them,00:28:31
it's not about Palestine and it's not00:28:33
about Israel. It's about their inner00:28:35
conflict00:28:37
and they are mistaken because in reality00:28:41
they have been feeding the beast00:28:44
and there is no way that rewarding00:28:48
terrorism especially after October 7 and00:28:50
all of us watch what happened on October00:28:53
7 that rewarding Palestinians for their00:28:56
crimes would lead to peace uh in the00:28:59
region or uh in worldwide. And today00:29:04
instead instead of countering this force00:29:07
and reminding the Palestinians that00:29:10
their violence is the root cause of00:29:11
their suffering, what they did, they00:29:16
legitimized the Palestinian cause and00:29:19
they globalized it. Now there is00:29:22
infiltration of the Palestinian00:29:24
indoctrination00:29:26
uh pretty much everywhere from Hollywood00:29:29
to western politicians to parliaments,00:29:32
mainstream media,00:29:34
uh the streets campuses.00:29:37
They have invaded everywhere and it's00:29:39
not about Palestine. They don't care00:29:41
about Palestinian children. They don't00:29:43
care about Palestine. And now uh this is00:29:46
not going in vacuum. Sooner or later00:29:49
they're going to realize that they have00:29:50
invited a very dangerous virus right00:29:54
into their backyard and it is going to00:29:56
backfire.00:29:57
>> Absolutely.00:29:59
One of the major disconnects00:30:02
in the west and appropriate that we00:30:05
discuss it on 9/1100:30:08
is they say the extremist jihadistic00:30:12
Hamas and the more moderate secular00:30:15
Palestinian Authority, which many say is00:30:18
basically just the internationalized00:30:22
um legitimized version uh of the Fatak00:30:26
of the Palestine Liberation00:30:27
Organization, which was born well before00:30:30
1964, 1968, before Israel had anything00:30:33
to do with the territories of Judea and00:30:36
and Samaria. This is a topic that we I00:30:40
want to we want to hear from you uh to00:30:43
create moral clarity because the PA00:30:46
incentivizes terror. They have the pay00:30:48
for slave program. They engage in00:30:50
international blood liables. you've00:30:52
pointed this out that in fact there's no00:30:54
real strategic difference between the00:30:57
Hamas and the Palestinian Authority00:31:01
uh after October 7 and I said this uh00:31:04
several times00:31:06
um I don't see any difference between00:31:09
Hamas Islamic Jihad Palestinian00:31:11
Authority PLO even the new generation of00:31:15
uh Palestinians today in the west who00:31:18
have been indoctrinated00:31:20
uh and radicalized00:31:23
and now they are acting on it spreading00:31:27
hateful speech and uh worse spreading00:31:32
violence.00:31:34
I don't think any democracy or any uh00:31:38
free society can handle00:31:41
uh can coexist let's say with such00:31:45
savage mentality that is based on00:31:49
uh victimhood.00:31:51
Uh their game is one of the most00:31:54
dangerous games to weaponize their own00:31:58
uh children, their own civilians for a00:32:02
global sympathy, to spread their hate00:32:04
for indoctrination00:32:06
with for one reason, to delegitimize00:32:09
Israel, to defame Israel,00:32:12
to demonize Israel.00:32:16
And this is the only way for them to00:32:18
gain legitimacy. Not by building, not by00:32:22
constructing, not by proving that they00:32:25
are a legitimate society nation. As I00:32:28
said earlier, they had the same00:32:30
potential. The same potential like00:32:32
Israel had some 77 years ago. But00:32:35
instead of focusing on building their00:32:37
Arab state, at that time there was no00:32:39
such thing as Palestinian state.00:32:42
they rejected and their entire focus uh00:32:46
has been the destruction of the state of00:32:49
Israel and what is the outcome you can00:32:52
look at Gaza and see what's the outcome00:32:55
of their violence and yes the Gaza00:32:58
tragedy there is no sane person around00:33:01
the world or here in Israel that is not00:33:03
heartbroken for what's happening in Gaza00:33:06
but who who is the reason behind this00:33:10
who weaponized the civilians00:33:13
and what was their goal. So basically if00:33:18
people are not able to distinguish and00:33:20
see the difference between the Israeli00:33:22
society and between Israel as a nation00:33:25
not only as a democracy and as a country00:33:28
as a nation uh with more than 3,00000:33:31
years of history00:33:33
uh and make the comparison to a00:33:37
political movement that was born00:33:39
recently in 1964.00:33:43
uh that is a violent uh movement with a00:33:49
false identity with a false force claim00:33:52
as indigenous of the land. This is a00:33:55
lie. Uh the fact that they say that00:33:58
Palestine is occupied and it needs00:34:01
liberation, the very foundation of their00:34:04
movement is based on a lie because00:34:06
Palestine never existed. And even if it00:34:09
existed back in the history, it was not00:34:12
theirs. It's just a name that they00:34:14
borrowed from the Romans. It's a name00:34:17
they borrowed from uh the British00:34:22
colonial00:34:25
the map makers, the ctologists who00:34:27
rebranded the word Palestine on the maps00:34:31
using the historical president of the00:34:32
Romans as you point out.00:34:34
>> Yeah. So basically it's borrowed and the00:34:36
same thing you know the the if if you00:34:38
look as as I told you why why Palestine00:34:40
is a problem because it's used by the00:34:43
jihadist just as a device they don't00:34:46
they don't believe in Palestine Hamas00:34:48
does not believe in Palestine00:34:52
Yaser Arafat did not believe in00:34:54
Palestine they just shout out loud00:34:57
Palestine but their aim is not that00:35:00
in their conscious and in their00:35:03
subconscious it's Islam land00:35:06
and Islam's attempt 14 centuries ago was00:35:13
to replace Judaism.00:35:15
They stole the Jewish identity and they00:35:18
called it Islam. It's a stolen identity.00:35:22
Nothing original about it. And today00:35:25
they see what so-called Palestine as an00:35:29
Islamic trust. It's all about Al Axa00:35:31
Mosque. Even look at Hamas attacks on00:35:34
October 7. The name of the00:35:38
massacre campaign is after Al a mosque.00:35:42
What did they call it? To Alexa. It's00:35:45
Alaka flood.00:35:47
So if you look just bit deeper beyond00:35:51
the propaganda00:35:53
and you're going to see that their00:35:55
mosque is sitting on the top of the00:35:56
Jewish temple the most sacred Jewish00:36:00
site and it's their attempt to replace00:36:03
Judaism. It's their attempt to replace00:36:06
Israel00:36:08
and nothing can satisfy their ambition00:36:10
because they are not limited to any00:36:12
political borders. Once they have00:36:16
manifested00:36:17
their plan to destroy Israel, okay, in00:36:22
the Middle East, they are going to go00:36:24
next and there's going to be Lebanon,00:36:26
there's going to be Jordan, there's00:36:27
going to be Syria, even Saudi Arabia,00:36:31
uh, and they will spread to Europe.00:36:33
What's happening in Europe right now is00:36:35
very dangerous. What's happening in the00:36:37
United States is very dangerous.00:36:39
Palestinianism is a virus. This is what00:36:42
it is. It cannot manifest anything. It's00:36:45
a it's to decode civilization00:36:50
and it's not a blueprint. It was never00:36:54
anything original. And the similarities00:36:56
between Palestinianism and Islamism.00:37:00
It's fascinating to to to watch. And00:37:03
they are both ideologies00:37:06
are pushed by the Muslim Brotherhood and00:37:09
legitimizing Palestine and00:37:11
Palestinianism as resistance or as a00:37:15
legitimate cause is a big mistake and00:37:18
the West especially the United States,00:37:21
my country, America, Americans need to00:37:25
wake up. This is a very dangerous00:37:26
indoctrination.00:37:28
Our campuses00:37:30
have been radicalized. Our streets are00:37:33
not safe. Assassinations, shootings,00:37:38
this must stop. This is jihad. This is00:37:41
jihad. And it has been happening since00:37:45
uh 911 on the American soil.00:37:49
When we talk about the threat to00:37:50
America, one of the key points of00:37:53
confusion has been what I some some have00:37:57
called cell phone warfare, the media00:37:59
jihad, the the use and abuse of uh of00:38:04
absolute propaganda by the kamas since00:38:07
October 7th. Um planning uh premeditated00:38:12
false fake uh news that has actually00:38:16
helped confuse the west. such as uh uh00:38:20
Hamas uh detonating its own hospital or00:38:23
or planting um uh explosives within its00:38:26
own hospital, using its children as00:38:28
human shields, and then and then drawing00:38:30
Israel in uh uh and then and then00:38:32
blaming Israel up front when in fact the00:38:35
same thing with humanitarian aid when00:38:37
all of this has been a strategic00:38:39
decision by Hamas as part of00:38:41
disinformation warfare. That what can be00:38:44
done about that? Because if you look at00:38:46
the numbers, the support numbers for00:38:47
Israel and America, they've declined00:38:50
since the jihad of October 7th. And one00:38:52
would have thought they would have00:38:53
increased and a lot of it, it seems,00:38:55
Mossab is from this what we call00:38:57
disinformation, deception warfare, which00:39:00
is really part of the larger war we're00:39:01
fighting. I want to hear your your your00:39:03
your wisdom on that. Okay. Well, first00:39:06
of all, there is no way to uh to counter00:39:09
uh the uh strategy of weaponizing00:39:13
civilians.00:39:14
uh because it's the ultimate sacrifice00:39:18
uh and the Palestinians were willing do00:39:21
that to like literally sacrifice their00:39:24
own children for financial and political00:39:26
gain and they they they got what they00:39:29
wanted and in the meantime the world00:39:31
blamed Israel but I want to see how far00:39:34
they are going to go with this with this00:39:36
lie because it's just a matter of time00:39:39
before uh the uh action00:39:43
of Palestinianism on the American soil00:39:47
would breed terrorism and America does00:39:51
not tolerate such acts. America does not00:39:53
tolerate violence. The American economy00:39:58
cannot survive if violence erupt in the00:40:01
United States. And this is what America00:40:04
needs to to wake up to. the erh00:40:08
radicalization00:40:10
of Americans, of American students00:40:14
uh by the means of Hollywood, uh00:40:17
mainstream media, social media00:40:20
uh and not to mention state sponsored00:40:23
bots that are known to uh to the00:40:27
American government. They have invaded,00:40:29
they have flooded social media with so00:40:33
so much lies and so many people are00:40:37
believing in this. So00:40:40
there is going to be a moment where00:40:42
they're going to drink from the same00:40:43
cup. And I hope that we don't reach that00:40:46
point where Americans have to uh taste00:40:52
what Israel has been through to realize00:40:55
what it is like to be under consistent00:40:59
jihadi terrorist uh threat.00:41:03
And then they would realize that Israel00:41:05
had no choice but to go after Hamas in00:41:08
Gaza. And the fact that they took human00:41:10
shields in Gaza did not make Hamas00:41:12
immune.00:41:15
uh because this is not the first time00:41:18
they carry such campaign and if we don't00:41:21
stop them it's not going to be the last00:41:23
time.00:41:25
Mosab Hassan Ysef, you've given us a00:41:28
moment of more than a moment, but an00:41:31
hour of moral clarity on this one of the00:41:33
darkest days that modern political00:41:36
history has known that America has00:41:39
suffered and that today across the00:41:42
Middle East and across the West, that00:41:46
challenge, that threat still continues.00:41:48
and you've given us a lot of food for00:41:51
thought and um a lot of time to really00:41:56
consider what needs to be done now to00:41:58
fight the September 11th jihad and the00:42:01
October 7th jihad as we hope for a more00:42:04
stable, secure and prosperous Middle00:42:06
East and a morally clear and um and a00:42:12
firm and resolute western civilization.00:42:15
Thank you so much Moab for your thinking00:42:17
on this. Thank you for Adam.Description:
Son of Hamas founder, Mosab Hassan Yousef, joins Dan Diker, President of the Jerusalem Center for Security and Foreign Affairs, to discuss the disturbing legacy of jihad from September 11, 2001 to Oct. 7, 2023, revealing how Islamic extremism has not only survived but mutated into even more dangerous global forms. This episode, recorded on September 11, 2025, marks the 24th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, and draws striking parallels between the terror that devastated New York and Washington and the genocidal onslaught Hamas launched on Israel in 2023. Yousef, who grew up within Hamas and later defected, offers chilling first-hand insight into jihadist ideology and how groups like Hamas and other Islamist factions have strategically used Palestinianism, victim narratives and disinformation warfare to manipulate the West and radicalize campuses. Topics covered: * The evolution of jihad from physical terror to media, diplomatic and cultural infiltration * The strategic manipulation of Western democracies by Islamist networks * The true motives behind the October 7th massacre and why Yousef believes Hamas does not actually want "Palestine" * The role of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Palestinian Authority and Western enablers * How Europe’s support for Palestinian statehood after Oct. 7, 2023 signals a grave misunderstanding of the jihadist threat * The failure of Western leadership to distinguish between political grievance and religious war Yousef and Diker also expose Hamas's calculated disinformation campaigns that have led to declining global support for Israel even after its worst terror attack in decades. Don't miss this unfiltered discussion about the existential battle between civilization and jihadism, and what must be done to win it. Become a JNS Channel Member: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC24cdDLzkNJf2_CNNzdI-UQ/join
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