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Christmas on this Christmas Eve. You're00:00:04
in your festive red and Brew and I are00:00:07
just in sort of navy blue. I have some00:00:09
green.00:00:10
>> We all look great.00:00:11
>> You have a green tie.00:00:14
I'm you know00:00:15
>> I'm in the spirit though.00:00:16
>> I'm in the spirit big time.00:00:18
>> Oh, I gave Wild's a Christmas hug this00:00:21
morning.00:00:22
>> That's right. >> Wow. It was lovely.00:00:23
>> Where was mine?00:00:24
>> Well, I didn't see you till late.00:00:26
>> I thought you were going to give me a00:00:27
big Christmas present. You guys told me00:00:29
I wasn't allowed. >> I know, but we mean we we say that00:00:32
because we don't we're not giftgivers.00:00:34
>> Okay. >> But your love language is giving us00:00:36
extravagant gifts.00:00:38
>> So to help for you for for you to feel00:00:40
better, you can give us gifts.00:00:42
>> All right. New Year's presents.00:00:44
>> The really nice expensive ones that you00:00:46
>> New Year's presents. That'll [laughter]00:00:47
be it.00:00:48
>> But we're starting00:00:49
>> with a new column from Baltimore Suns uh00:00:53
Mike Preston. Headline here. And there's00:00:56
a lot to digest.00:00:58
Ravens and Lamar are at a crossroads.00:01:00
Can the two-time NFL MVP get over the00:01:04
hump in Baltimore? There's a ton here.00:01:07
We just read it about 20 [music] minutes00:01:09
before we got on the air, including00:01:10
critiques of Lamar's practice habits.00:01:13
Some questions on whether the these were00:01:15
a negotiation ploy as he enters00:01:17
Harbaugh's relationship with Lamar. And00:01:19
what I thought fascinating, I'll just00:01:21
read it verbatim. the Ravens should look00:01:23
at possible trades, mentioning the00:01:24
Dolphins and the Raiders. Uh, Brew, this00:01:28
is your adopted squad. What was your00:01:30
take on this article?00:01:31
>> Well, you all you failed to mention00:01:33
Lamar staying up all night playing video00:01:36
games, which is your prerogative, but00:01:37
the writer said00:01:39
>> he needs to stop doing that and falling00:01:41
asleep in team meetings.00:01:43
>> Y00:01:44
>> I mean, and Mike Preston, the author,00:01:47
has been at the Baltimore Sun since00:01:49
1983.00:01:50
very reputable writer. [snorts] It's00:01:53
it's a great article. I mean, as a00:01:55
former journalist, you know, reporter00:01:57
like, you love seeing stuff like this.00:01:59
If this is all true, and I have no00:02:00
reason to think it's not, writer, paper,00:02:03
both very reputable. It answers a lot of00:02:06
questions.00:02:08
It answers questions about why, again,00:02:10
if true, Lamar has struggled in playoffs00:02:14
because if you're falling asleep in team00:02:17
meetings, then you're not obviously as00:02:21
studious as you need to be. And to win00:02:24
at that level in the playoffs, I mean,00:02:27
when that team can zero in on you, you00:02:29
know, like any other unlike any other00:02:31
point in the regular season, they're all00:02:33
the best teams.00:02:35
I mean, Brady, Momes, all these guys are00:02:39
studious. And so, again, I don't know00:02:42
myself, but if if the article is00:02:44
correct, then that says something about00:02:47
why maybe he hasn't delivered in the00:02:49
playoffs. And then the last time it00:02:52
mentions, remember 2022, he had he00:02:54
missed like all those games. We thought00:02:56
he was coming back. he was about to go00:02:58
into the contract negotiations00:03:01
>> and now he's they according to the00:03:03
article they're in negotiations now00:03:06
>> that was the other piece of real news00:03:07
that they're already and the reason00:03:09
they're in negotiations is not because00:03:11
his contract's about to be up but00:03:13
because it's such a cap figure this is00:03:15
when he signed that original deal after00:03:18
the 22 season in the 23 off season the00:03:21
assumption was if he keeps playing well00:03:23
if he stays healthy then it will be00:03:26
redone done to a degree. This would be00:03:28
the time to do almost $75 million 26 27.00:03:32
Yeah. So, they need to00:03:33
>> So, I mean, the article is I don't even00:03:36
know if it's implying it's just putting00:03:38
out there the the coincidence of the00:03:40
last time he missed games mysteriously.00:03:43
Yes,00:03:44
>> he was in a negotiation and now they've00:03:47
been they haven't he's missing practices00:03:48
for sure. And uh so it it's it that00:03:53
could explain something as well. I will00:03:55
say this cuz they brought up do you I00:03:58
think the he said he would not give him00:04:00
a contract extension. Now I I would00:04:04
bring back Lamar Jackson. There is no I00:04:07
mean the dude is already a Hall of00:04:09
Famer. A literally a generational talent00:04:13
there that that's not overused with him.00:04:16
It's tough because you do want to have00:04:19
him develop the proper habits to really00:04:23
be able to win Super Bowls and get to00:04:25
that level, but he's to me he's just too00:04:27
good to give up. And and if it came00:04:31
down, somebody leaked this stuff to Mike00:04:33
Preston. if it comes down to Harbaugh or00:04:38
Lamar and he said Harbaugh's tired of00:04:41
Lamar even though you know he he he00:04:43
praises him all the time because00:04:46
according to the article Lamar goes in a00:04:48
shell if you don't00:04:50
>> and so if it comes down to Harball Lamar00:04:53
though I'm sorry I'm keeping Lamar00:04:56
>> I do want to talk with Lamar have a real00:04:58
heartto-he heart about look you Lamar is00:05:01
at this stage and we see this a lot in00:05:03
the NBA Nick you also obviously see it00:05:05
with quarterbacks.00:05:07
You you get praised for your individual00:05:10
success and accolades and brilliance for00:05:14
a while >> to a degree,00:05:15
>> right? But when you've been so good and00:05:17
you you don't win,00:05:19
>> you get it happened to Michael Jordan.00:05:21
It happened to LeBron James. It happens00:05:22
to all the great.00:05:23
>> It's happening right now to Luca.00:05:25
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. And so Lamar is at that00:05:29
point and and he's going to keep getting00:05:32
criticized until he wins Super Bowls. I00:05:34
would have this type of talk with him if00:05:36
I'm the Ravens. So, bottom line, I would00:05:38
not trade him. I would bring him back,00:05:40
but this is alarming. I I would not00:05:44
trade him either. To be clear, I think00:05:46
that he is too great. And even if I00:05:50
don't think he's going to have as long00:05:52
of a career as you some [snorts]00:05:55
other quarterbacks his age, um00:05:58
>> I still think he has multiple really,00:06:00
really good years ne, you know, in front00:06:02
of him. But the article, you know, says00:06:05
maybe Lamar would take a bit of a00:06:07
discount. I think that's going to be a00:06:08
hard sell because he is that right now00:06:10
the two-time defending AllPro and00:06:14
because00:06:16
Momes has been to so many Super Bowls,00:06:18
you can't really point to, well, all00:06:20
these other guys are getting to Super00:06:22
Bowls and you're not. You know what I00:06:24
mean? >> Well, but you can Momes doesn't make as00:06:28
much as he could and he mentioned Brady00:06:30
in the article. Obviously, he did that00:06:32
for the Patriots >> and so I but that so I don't think this00:06:34
is the a money I I don't think money is00:06:38
the biggest piece of this even if it's a00:06:41
big piece to everything for first of all00:06:43
though I would like to thank Mike00:06:45
Preston yeah00:06:46
>> for maybe un unbeknownst to him checking00:06:50
off a box for the sports media on00:06:52
budsman from a month ago when I said00:06:54
will someone please get to the bottom of00:06:56
what is going on between Lamar Jackson00:06:58
and John Harbaugh and in if I may just00:07:02
to I I understand what the job is and I00:07:05
understand the criticism that comes with00:07:06
the job we do and I'm more than good00:07:08
with it. It's a great tradeoff. But I do00:07:11
want the audience to know I don't spin a00:07:14
wheel and just say, you know what, today00:07:16
I'm really going to go after this great00:07:18
player for no reason.00:07:21
All year long I have been trying to00:07:24
because I'm not actually reporting. I'm00:07:26
not there,00:07:27
>> but00:07:28
>> give informed analysis on things I have00:07:32
reason to believe that Harbaugh and00:07:34
Lamar have not been on the same page.00:07:36
And I've used other people's reporting00:07:38
and tried to, you know, do the the sunny00:07:41
and Philadelphia little wire chart of00:07:43
the strings like these things because00:07:47
this is not to me shocking at all. Now,00:07:51
I didn't know the falling asleep in00:07:52
meetings part, but it was it didn't take00:07:56
to me a detective to know something's00:07:58
weird about Lamar and Harbaugh, and it00:08:01
has been for some time. And Harbaugh's00:08:05
fix of it to be doth pro protest too00:08:08
much on he's the greatest player00:08:11
anyone's ever seen always felt a little00:08:13
hollow to me. And now if you are00:08:16
Baltimore, I think maybe it's unfair.00:08:21
The simplest solution is probably see if00:08:25
the next coach can get through to him in00:08:27
a different way. But00:08:30
Lamar Jackson can be a great player, can00:08:34
be a great person while also having some00:08:38
immaturity to him.00:08:39
>> Oh yeah. And the reason that I have00:08:42
hammered KW the him getting sick every00:08:45
year thing is not because I'm trying to00:08:47
be funny. I it is because I had and have00:08:51
reason to believe that he's not just00:08:53
super unlucky. That there are things00:08:56
adults know they need to do to give them00:08:59
the best chance to be as healthy as00:09:01
possible. And I think most of his00:09:03
colleagues, other star quarterbacks do00:09:06
those things. And it doesn't seem like00:09:08
Lamar does. And that whether that's00:09:10
diet, whether that's sleep habits,00:09:12
whether that's, you know, the how he00:09:14
spends his personal time, whatever it00:09:16
is, those are fair criticisms. And it00:09:20
everything doesn't have to be binary.00:09:21
Doesn't have to be good guy, bad guy,00:09:22
good player, bad player. And I think00:09:25
Lamar00:09:27
>> his00:09:29
I think his biggest weakness right now00:09:31
as a player is immaturity. And I think00:09:34
you see it when they face adversity in00:09:37
big spots. He sometimes has what I would00:09:39
call childish reactions. And I think00:09:42
another line throwaway line in there is00:09:45
like and they really should get him to00:09:47
lift weights, which is such a funny00:09:49
thing to say because you look at Lamar,00:09:51
he's such a great athlete. But what the00:09:52
article is saying is his practice and00:09:55
training habits are not up to snuff. And00:09:57
when you see a player who has suffered00:10:00
by my count this season five different00:10:02
injuries, hamstring, knee, ankle, toe,00:10:06
back,00:10:08
>> maybe some are unlucky, maybe some is00:10:10
this, and the other is maybe other00:10:13
quarterbacks would have been able to go00:10:16
back in that must-win game with the back00:10:18
bruise and Lamar was not able to. And I00:10:21
don't think any of that is unfair. I I I00:10:24
wouldn't trade him, but I don't think00:10:25
any of that's unfair. Let me add if I00:10:27
can add two quick things. One, and I'm00:10:30
with you in that I would not trade him.00:10:32
If I have to get a new coach, I get a00:10:34
new coach.00:10:35
>> You do run the risk clearly of00:10:38
empowering Lamar to continue to do this,00:10:41
if not worse, if you just bring in a new00:10:43
coach. If Harball's really railing00:10:45
against it and you get Harbaugh out of00:10:48
there now, of course, the player can00:10:49
feel like, well, I can do whatever I00:10:51
want. So, you run that risk, but it's00:10:53
it's a worth it to me. Secondly,00:10:56
you can't in any of these top leagues,00:10:59
NFL, NBA, MLB, you can't play or any of00:11:03
the other pro sports, you can only play00:11:06
on physical talent and gifts for so00:11:08
long. And according to this article,00:11:11
that's kind of what Lamar's been doing.00:11:13
It's incredible that he could do it for00:11:16
eight years and become a Hall of Famer,00:11:19
two-time MVP, but if this is true, then00:11:23
that's what he's been doing. and he's00:11:24
just playing cuz I'm so much better than00:11:26
everybody else. I'm such a better00:11:28
athlete. But to win the Super Bowls at00:11:31
the highest level and extend this00:11:33
career, he's going to have to do the00:11:36
other things in including I guess00:11:38
lifting weights, getting your body,00:11:40
eating right because I always thought as00:11:44
a running quarterback, his career is00:11:46
going to be shorter. Now he he's become00:11:48
more of a passing quarterback, but still00:11:51
he's taken some hits and we saw it with00:11:53
Cam Newton. Not that Cam didn't work,00:11:55
but I'm saying he took so many hits, his00:11:57
career was shorter. So I think those are00:12:00
two things Lamar should I mean if he00:12:03
wants to reach his full potential,00:12:06
there's a lot of work to be done00:12:07
apparently.00:12:08
>> I just to the other side of it.00:12:10
>> Sure. And you when I did the sort of00:12:12
impromptu news reader like you didn't00:12:14
even mention he stays up playing video00:12:16
games. I didn't do that on purpose. Not00:12:18
that you were trying to like be00:12:20
combative with me00:12:22
>> because to me that was a red flag of00:12:24
like he's up at night playing video00:12:27
games like all right what's the issue00:12:29
the video games the staying up late?00:12:32
What what if what if he was watching00:12:34
Netflix?00:12:35
>> What if he was reading the B? Are you00:12:37
are to me if he's been playing video00:12:39
games like it to it felt unfair.00:12:44
>> Here's where it didn't feel unfair. When00:12:46
they tie in a couple paragraphs later00:12:49
they practice in the afternoons instead00:12:50
of the mornings which is his preference00:12:52
and not the coaches.00:12:54
>> And now I falling asleep in meetings00:12:57
like been there. How long has he been00:12:58
there?00:12:59
>> I mean eight years. Like how how many00:13:01
times has he fallen asleep in a meeting?00:13:03
>> I don't I don't know. I one I mean he's00:13:06
been there for eight years. This is the00:13:07
first time we're hearing about it when00:13:09
they're below 500 for the first time00:13:11
>> I remember Lamar's career. Yeah, besides00:13:14
early on in there to me it felt a little00:13:16
bit00:13:17
>> I don't know when you're saying he00:13:18
should give back money.00:13:19
>> I the00:13:20
>> that felt a lot trade him to the00:13:22
Dolphins to me. I don't know. I'm just00:13:24
not willing.00:13:26
>> We have to have this conversation.00:13:27
Someone's got to be Lamar's lawyer here.00:13:29
Well, this stuff was clearly leaked from00:13:31
within the organization. And now I look,00:13:34
I'm not going to pin it on Harour. I00:13:36
don't know. But, you know, there's00:13:37
obviously talk beyond us about his job00:13:40
security. So, is that00:13:42
>> I don't if you're if Har again, we don't00:13:45
want to I don't want to go down, right?00:13:47
But this makes Horah look worse than00:13:49
Lamar to me. A major problem, a lot of00:13:51
the Ravens is that there are team rules00:13:53
and their rules for Jackson. old Herm00:13:56
Edwards quote was like when I was trying00:13:58
to like run a show. He's like, "You're00:14:00
either teaching it or allowing it to00:14:02
happen." >> Yes.00:14:04
Makes Harball look worse, though.00:14:06
>> I I think it makes this article makes00:14:08
Lamar look worse.00:14:09
>> I agree. It's It Harbaugh should00:14:12
>> If you're moving the practice schedule00:14:14
for Lamar, Lamar's in control of the00:14:16
team, not you. >> Yeah, but I Lamar's sleeping in00:14:18
meetings, that's on you. A and Lamar,00:14:21
>> of course, a little personal00:14:22
responsibility, but I I don't think I00:14:25
think Harball it's horrible.00:14:26
>> So I And here's the only thing you said,00:14:28
Brew, about if you move on from00:14:30
Harbaugh, you empower Lamar. Here's the00:14:33
one piece that I would00:14:35
>> or you run the risk.00:14:36
>> You run the risk of it. Or maybe00:14:40
because Harbaugh has been so publicly00:14:43
affusive and has, you know, according to00:14:46
this bent over, you know, bent rules for00:14:49
Lamar, maybe the opposite happens.00:14:52
>> Maybe you bring in a coach and that00:14:54
coach actually, it's like, hey,00:14:56
obviously every player is not as00:14:58
important as everyone else, but the00:14:59
rules are the same for everybody. This00:15:01
is the schedule. This is how we're going00:15:03
to do things. And that and because again00:15:06
I I want to make it clear I think Lamar00:15:09
Jackson's an all-time great player. I00:15:11
think he's one of the best current00:15:12
players in football even though he's00:15:13
having a bad season. And by all accounts00:15:16
he's a great guy. The article calls him00:15:19
a big kid. That checks out to me.00:15:22
>> Literally.00:15:23
>> That really does check out to me. And00:15:25
that there is some good in that. But00:15:27
there is also some real drawbacks to00:15:30
being somewhat childlike in some of your00:15:33
professionalism or even off the- field00:15:36
habits. And I think that's what this is00:15:38
getting at.00:15:39
>> I know you don't love00:15:41
>> What do you No, cuz I feel like there's00:15:43
some of it. It feels like the knives are00:15:45
out. Oh, we're under 500. The knives are00:15:48
out for Lamar. So Lamar Lamar was00:15:50
playing Call of Duty late at night.00:15:52
That's why Mark Andrews dropped the pass00:15:54
last year.00:15:55
Is that why Derrick Henry fumbled? Lamar00:15:58
was out of the game. They lost that00:16:00
game. Now maybe he should have been in00:16:01
the game and they won. He was out of the00:16:03
game and they lost that game.00:16:04
>> But don't but there I cuz Z Flowers00:16:07
fumbled. Derrick Henry fumbled and then00:16:09
Harbaugh didn't play.00:16:10
>> Here's the question I would have for you00:16:11
because the Chiefs are under 500. The00:16:13
Bills a few years ago were six and six.00:16:15
Joe Burrow's been under 500. Do you00:16:18
think that those articles could have00:16:21
been written about those quarterbacks?00:16:23
Cuz I don't. I think when when the Bills00:16:26
their their knives were out for Mcderman00:16:28
and we got the Al Qaeda story, we got00:16:30
like it was like we are ready to flame00:16:32
him. The the Chiefs maybe it's just like00:16:34
ah they've been so good everybody's00:16:36
going to get a pass this year. I don't00:16:38
know. Feels like Matt Nai get some00:16:40
locally but that's really it. Um, I I00:16:44
don't I do agree with you KW that they00:16:48
are if they were winning, we don't hear00:16:51
this, but it doesn't mean that this00:16:53
isn't part of the reason they're not00:16:55
winning.00:16:56
>> The knives may be out, but if this stuff00:16:59
is true,00:17:01
>> that is stuff that Lamar does need to00:17:03
change. >> Yeah. Just the sleeping in meetings00:17:05
thing.00:17:06
>> Well, yeah, that and that's where I00:17:08
agree with you. Whether you're playing00:17:09
video games, like you said, reading the00:17:11
Bible, watching movies, whatever, but if00:17:14
it's making you tired in the meetings00:17:16
and you can't stay awake or you're00:17:18
having practices later, that's where00:17:20
it's a problem. >> Also, that hits me personally00:17:22
>> and you might not be studying that.00:17:23
Remember with Kyler Murray was the issue00:17:25
of he's doing that instead of00:17:27
>> I personally rally against that because00:17:29
a lot of times in Dusty's meetings when00:17:30
I go silent.00:17:31
>> Yeah. [snorts]00:17:32
[laughter]00:17:33
>> Out of there. Like what happened? Yeah,00:17:34
we wonderful in the seas. Uh, all right.00:17:37
Moving on. We are headed to Buffalo for00:17:40
uh Bills Eagles. This one is on Fox00:17:43
Sunday at 4. Eagles are 5-3 on the road.00:17:45
Buffalo 16-1 in their last 17 games at00:17:49
home. Uh who has more to prove on Sunday00:17:52
teamwise? For me, it's Philly. The 202500:17:56
Philadelphia Eagles. Like I understand00:17:58
they won the Super Bowl last year. like00:18:00
that. I I am at at week 17 that the tale00:18:05
of that is minimal until we get to00:18:07
questions like can you perform under the00:18:10
big stage and it's like well we saw him00:18:11
do that but for this year it's Philly00:18:13
and beating Kenny Picket and Josh00:18:16
Johnson didn't convince me that they're00:18:19
fixed. They were on a three-game losing00:18:22
streak and then they played the worst00:18:24
team in football with their backup00:18:25
quarterback and annihilated them. And00:18:28
that Commanders game,00:18:31
the Eagles were losing that game when00:18:33
Mariota got hurt. It was 10. You know00:18:35
what I The game's 10-7 at half. They00:18:38
are. That that is a football game until00:18:40
Josh Johnson comes in and Philly's00:18:42
offense starts humming and Saquon starts00:18:44
humming.00:18:45
>> And I feel like almost all KW of your00:18:49
concerns about Buffalo's defense00:18:53
>> apply even more to Philly's offense. And00:18:56
so when you look at these two teams,00:18:58
offense to defense, offense to defense,00:19:00
if we can throw it up, Dust, the And I00:19:02
don't care which one you show first, the00:19:05
Eagles offense. So it's like struggle00:19:07
verse struggle. Okay. Eagles offense,00:19:09
Bills defense. 15th in points, 16th in00:19:12
points. They the one team is really bad,00:19:16
you know, really bad against the run,00:19:19
but really good against the pass. The00:19:21
other team is mediocre kind of in00:19:23
everything. Turnovers, same. So that's00:19:25
weakness versus weakness to me. That's00:19:27
about a push and strength versus00:19:30
strength. If we show Eagles defense00:19:33
versus Bills offense, you know that to I00:19:36
think the Bills offense is a little00:19:38
better than Philly's defense. But you00:19:40
can see so to me they are very similar00:19:42
in that regard, but I think that we00:19:46
haven't seen Philly's offense perform at00:19:49
a high level against a quality opponent00:19:51
really since the Rams game. And I00:19:54
thought the Bills defense, whether you00:19:56
want to pick the Steelers game holding00:19:57
them to seven points or the second half00:19:59
of the Patriots game holding them to00:20:01
seven points, you have at least seen00:20:03
flashes of it more recently. So to me,00:20:05
the answer is Philly's Philly has more00:20:07
to prove.00:20:08
>> Look, that makes sense because both00:20:10
teams have a lot to prove. But I I look00:20:12
I I am going to look at the past with00:20:15
Philadelphia because they're proven.00:20:17
They're like a made man. You know, we00:20:19
know that they can get it done. Last00:20:21
year they were have they were having00:20:23
issues too. Not the same ones but issues00:20:26
they go into the playoffs and look00:20:28
great. So as long as they're not in the00:20:31
supernatural funk, which they aren't. We00:20:33
know we would all agree with they're00:20:34
they're not that they're not what they00:20:36
were last year, but they're not in the00:20:38
supernatural funk, then I think00:20:40
particularly in this playoff field, they00:20:42
got a shot. They got a shot. Oh, and00:20:44
they're to be trusted more than some of00:20:46
the other teams that are in that NFC00:20:48
playoff field. Buffalo on the other00:20:50
hand, while this might be their best00:20:54
chance to get to the Super Bowl, this00:20:57
certainly isn't their best team. I feel00:20:59
like like the I I don't think it's close00:21:02
to some of the teams that have failed in00:21:04
the past, but because of the field, it00:21:07
might be their best shot. But they need00:21:09
to prove it. They've beaten they beat00:21:11
the Patriots, which was a good win, but00:21:13
they also lost to the Patriots. They00:21:14
beat Pittsburgh and Carolina. Those are00:21:17
like the only two other teams with00:21:19
winning records they beat.00:21:20
>> I'm so happy someone is00:21:21
>> I mean that people point that say that00:21:24
about New England. It's true about the00:21:26
Bills, too. And I don't think Carolina's00:21:29
that good. They got a winning record.00:21:30
They might make the playoffs.00:21:31
>> The Bills are getting credit for Chiefs00:21:33
and Ravens wins. Yes. And those teams00:21:36
weren't that good. Right. As it turns00:21:37
out, like that's the but they but it00:21:39
feels like those are really good wins.00:21:40
>> They felt like big and no one thought00:21:42
like, "Well, you lost to the Dolphins.00:21:43
Anyone care?"00:21:44
>> Yeah.00:21:45
>> Right. Right. And so I do think the00:21:47
defense has something to prove. Can you00:21:50
stop the run? And here their ranks are00:21:53
horrific against the run.00:21:55
>> I mean, basically the worst run defense00:21:58
in the league. And00:22:00
>> I do think it's the worst run defense in00:22:01
the league. So this is00:22:02
>> and and Saquon is running well now00:22:06
back off that brew. I think this is a00:22:07
Saquon game where I've been holding my00:22:11
pet theory that Saquon is trying to have00:22:14
a 20 game season. First 12 not good last00:22:18
three maybe he's you know flipping a00:22:21
switch. So if if he's able to keep it00:22:24
going against the Bills like oo that00:22:26
theory will get a little bit stronger or00:22:28
it's just another indictment of the00:22:30
Bills. No, it would still be it would00:22:32
still if he has another really good00:22:34
game, I think Philly feels a lot better.00:22:37
>> I I and I think the other teams in the00:22:39
NFC really take note.00:22:40
>> Also, Lane Johnson will be coming back,00:22:42
expected to come back. Jaylen Carter00:22:43
will come back on defensive side, so00:22:45
maybe they're getting healthy at the00:22:46
right time. >> No, listen, I don't I'm not like00:22:48
dismissing the loser of this game. I00:22:51
just for me and it might be as simple as00:22:56
come00:22:58
when we're talking about teams winning00:23:00
the Super Bowl, I would rather have my00:23:04
major question mark be about your run00:23:06
defense than your pass offense. And I00:23:10
don't actually think history, all of00:23:13
history backs me up on that because the00:23:15
game has changed so much. But it feels00:23:17
to me like recent history it does back00:23:21
me up. But it might also just be because00:23:22
like Brady and Mahomes have been to so00:23:25
so many a disproportionate amount of00:23:27
Super Bowls and you obviously trusted00:23:28
those teams pass offenses. But I just I00:23:31
feel like that Buffalo's weakness can be00:23:36
fully exploited and they win against a00:23:39
good team >> if they can.00:23:40
>> You know what I mean? Because and I know00:23:42
it's not a reliable thing. can't do it00:23:43
four weeks in a row in the playoffs, but00:23:45
the defense can get gashed on the ground00:23:48
and they win anyway. I think it's going00:23:50
to be hard for Philly. They've done it00:23:52
this year with 10-7 victories, but for00:23:55
the offense to grind to a halt and then00:23:57
win anyway.00:23:58
>> Only the 06 Colts made the Super Bowl00:23:59
with a bottom three rush defense. Head00:24:01
to San Antonio where the Thunder loss to00:24:03
the Spurs by 20. They've got four losses00:24:07
on the year and the Spurs have delivered00:24:09
two of them. Here's their numbers00:24:12
[music] against the Spurs in every other00:24:13
game. 26-2,00:24:15
>> but the point differential is now minus00:24:17
11 against the Spurs. The defense u00:24:20
points in the paint against the Spurs00:24:22
are shooting uh00:24:24
>> no opponent points per game. Yeah. 50.00:24:26
Uh all the games 38 opponents points00:24:29
>> opponents paint points per game per game00:24:32
against the Spurs. They're actually the00:24:34
the Spurs are scoring in the paint.00:24:37
Everyone else isn't. The Spurs. Okay.00:24:40
Spurs. I thought it was a OKCapic.00:24:43
>> That's not even research that a little00:24:45
bit more. So, [laughter]00:24:46
>> what do the Spurs win over the00:24:48
Thunderproof?00:24:49
>> Well, let me say this. I mean, OKC has00:24:52
the toughest schedule remaining in the00:24:54
league. So, they're going to lose. They00:24:55
just lost to Minnesota. They've lost00:24:57
three of their last five. Two of them00:24:58
were to00:24:59
>> 24-1 or 23-1, whatever it was, and now00:25:02
they lost three.00:25:03
>> Yeah. So, they're going to lose some00:25:05
games. They're they may not hit 70.00:25:07
We'll see. But I don't want to overreact00:25:10
to every loss. All right. But00:25:12
>> I do think the Spurs are a tough matchup00:25:15
for them.00:25:16
>> Obviously, Wimby creates problems with00:25:18
his size. You saw the paint differential00:25:21
offensively and defensively.00:25:22
>> Yeah.00:25:23
>> But this is my my takeaway is this more.00:25:28
>> The the Thunder, we've talked about it.00:25:31
They just got outside of Shay and then00:25:33
you got Chad, you know, they have a00:25:36
bunch of young,00:25:39
hungry, athletic, strong guys on the00:25:43
perimeter that can defend and they00:25:46
bother teams and they can score because00:25:49
they're athletic, they can shoot and00:25:50
things like that.00:25:52
>> The Spurs have the same thing,00:25:54
>> correct?00:25:55
>> Except now they don't do do it every00:25:57
night necessarily defensively like the00:25:59
Thunder do. But here's the difference.00:26:01
When they played the the Thunder, their00:26:04
perimeter guys matched the energy and00:26:07
the effort and the intensity00:26:09
>> on the perimeter of OKC's guys. But00:26:12
here's the difference.00:26:14
>> They're the the Thunder or the Spurs00:26:17
perimeter guys are more talented outside00:26:20
of Shay. The next three most talented00:26:23
players on the perimeter in these two00:26:25
teams are De'Arren Fox, Define Castle,00:26:28
and Dylan Harper. Like those are blue00:26:30
chippers. Like they are legit stars in00:26:33
their or will be in their own right. So00:26:36
if they're matching the intensity,00:26:39
playing as hard as Lou Dort and and and00:26:42
and you know now Jaylen Williams might00:26:44
be a better player. He's not as talented00:26:46
as those guys. He's productive. Those00:26:49
they're they're star talents. And so00:26:51
like Jeff Van Gundy when I covered him00:26:53
with the Knicks, he always talked about00:26:55
top talent. like even if the guy doesn't00:26:58
necessarily pan out in the NBA, there's00:27:01
something to being a top tier talent in00:27:04
this league and that's what they have.00:27:06
So they those three outplay the other00:27:10
perimeter guys, not Shay, but the other00:27:13
perimeter guys. And then of course you00:27:15
got Wimby. They got four like blue chip00:27:17
players on the Spurs. So, this is not00:27:20
really totally relevant to this00:27:22
conversation, but if the audience is00:27:25
just now realizing, Brew is a draft00:27:28
elitist about the NBA the way I am about00:27:31
the NFL.00:27:32
>> There is there is a level of and I00:27:34
don't, by the way, I totally support00:27:36
you. But there is the you are more open,00:27:40
I think, in the NFL to a guy being way00:27:44
underdrafted. No, that guy's actually00:27:46
awesome. And in the NBA, I think history00:27:48
back. I mean, you got Jokish, Gilbert,00:27:50
>> Arenas, but history back is pretty good.00:27:53
I saw him in the finals. Play at Santa00:27:56
Cl.00:27:58
No, I just think like there is a you00:28:01
really you didn't say it, but you were a00:28:04
half step from Look at the rivals00:28:06
ratings of these kids [laughter]00:28:07
COMPARED TO THE OTHER.00:28:08
>> NO, BUT BUT ALSO THE WAY THEY'RE00:28:11
PLAYING. >> NO, THE WAY THEY'RE I MEAN CASTLE00:28:13
>> CASTLE IS AWESOME.00:28:14
>> Castle's awesome. and we know what dear00:28:16
>> the fact that the Spurs are doing this00:28:18
with Wimi not dominating these games on00:28:20
a minute not playing much and I do think00:28:24
that it is a lesson right now for the00:28:26
league00:28:27
>> if you want to compete with OKC you00:28:29
can't be an old team00:28:31
>> you got to be young and energetic and00:28:33
athletic and all of that00:28:34
>> sound like Rich Paul00:28:35
>> the did he say that I don't00:28:36
>> No that's what he said the Lakers don't00:28:38
have enough >> Oh yeah well no the Lakers would need a00:28:41
whole new roster like to get become a00:28:43
young team um And so I really hope the00:28:46
Spurs end up the four seed. Now they00:28:49
might end up the two or the three, but I00:28:51
would love to see OKC00:28:54
a team for round two by the time we get00:28:56
to round two for there to be a little00:28:58
bit of question. Oh yeah.00:29:00
>> About whether or not OKC is going to00:29:02
advance. And right now the Spurs are the00:29:06
team that's giving them trouble. Now I00:29:07
don't know if you want to go because I00:29:08
have something else I want to talk00:29:09
about. But00:29:10
>> I Well, mine's a look ahead. So why00:29:12
don't we do yours? debut him Christmas.00:29:14
>> That's my question. But he wants to do00:29:16
his00:29:17
>> Well, listen. I just don't know. I'm not00:29:19
ripping something that brought joy to00:29:21
thousands of people. It's two things.00:29:24
I'm just again, so there's two wimy00:29:26
things. The first one is this.00:29:29
>> You're just going to sit there and let00:29:30
this happen to your guy Chad. This guy,00:29:34
THIS GUY IS GOING TO00:29:35
>> STOLE my stock. You did win.00:29:38
>> It probably00:29:40
[laughter] THE SKULL CHAT. YOU CAN'T00:29:42
JUST STEAL IT FROM THEM.00:29:44
>> HERE'S THE THING.00:29:45
>> THE JAZZ CAN'T START LIGHTING A PURPLE00:29:47
beam and be like, "Look at what we did."00:29:49
>> Here's the problem, though, Nick.00:29:51
>> The Spurs are about to be one of the00:29:53
best teams in the NBA for the next00:29:55
decade.00:29:56
>> But they've been doing that. >> The Vikings are not about about to miss00:29:59
the It was It was their thing.00:30:04
>> I don't know. >> They probably need to tweak that a00:30:06
little bit. >> Thank you. That's weird. Yeah. I wonder00:30:08
if somebody00:30:09
>> Yeah, you have to add some sort of maybe00:30:10
cowboy element.00:30:12
>> Yeah, but again, do you know why?00:30:14
>> That's odd. Maybe he felt like it's our00:30:16
sport. It's a different sport. They do00:30:18
it in football, but we do it in00:30:19
basketball.00:30:20
>> He didn't know. I'm sure he didn't know.00:30:22
And everything this kid says, people are00:30:24
like, "Wow,00:30:26
>> he's so profound that he didn't think to00:30:29
ask.00:30:30
>> He's that that's someone else's job."00:30:32
Like, "Hey, FYI."00:30:34
>> Okay, >> the Vikings do this.00:30:35
>> Okay. He's like, "I don't know. I was00:30:37
watching soccer my homeboy.00:30:38
>> He's out there just trash talking your00:30:40
guy Chad.00:30:41
>> I'm shocked by your metric.00:30:43
>> I mean I I would expect but you just00:30:46
dropped like any other SCENARIO VERSUS00:30:49
my second third. I got Wim I'm the Wimi00:30:52
guy AND I ALSO GOT CHET NOW LIKE ON THE00:30:55
backup00:30:56
>> I'm more of vibe than Chad's vibe. the00:30:59
they are very there's a lot of00:31:01
comparison elitist like [laughter]00:31:05
>> I I like00:31:06
>> I like that Wimby once like that he's00:31:09
>> any other guy you know what you would00:31:10
said00:31:11
>> drum it up around00:31:12
>> what what's [music] chat's the champion00:31:14
that's a fair point I have said that I00:31:16
got in trouble00:31:18
>> thanks for watching subscribe here to00:31:20
get more from the show and to check out00:31:22
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Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens are reportedly at a crossroads, with many wondering if Jackson can ever get over the Super Bowl hump. Nick Wright, Chris Broussard, and Kevin Wildes ask if the Ravens era with Lamar and John Harbaugh will end, and if the San Antonio Spurs are the best team in the NBA after beating the Oklahoma City Thunder. Plus, they preview the matchup between the Philadelphia Eagles and Buffalo Bills. Download the FOX Sports App: https://www.foxsports.com/?af_sub2=dcg&pid=social&af_channel=social&c=FSsocial-revamp&af_sub1=FSsocial-revamp&af_prt= ► First Things First’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@FirstThingsFirst ► "Outta Pocket w/RGIII" YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@OuttaPocketRG3 About First Things First: Nick Wright, Chris Broussard, and Kevin Wildes team up on First Things First. The trio offers their take on a bevy of sports stories alongside special guests from across the sports world. Ravens fans should be ALARMED about Lamar Jackson 🚨 Are the Spurs the best team in the NBA? | FTF www.youtube.com/@FirstThingsFirst
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