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Uh live from New York, the show is00:00:02
wishing you a happy Veterans Day from00:00:04
all of us.00:00:05
>> Absolutely.00:00:06
>> Indeed. Absolutely.00:00:07
>> We're happy to be here. We'll have uh00:00:08
vignettes [music] and shout outs from uh00:00:11
service men and women from around the00:00:13
country. So, we're very excited.00:00:14
>> We start with a 10-7 Eagles victory.00:00:17
Glass half full. Defensive battle. Glass00:00:20
half empty.00:00:22
[laughter]00:00:23
>> Jaylen Herds had a touchdown, lost a00:00:25
fumble. What did the Eagles prove last00:00:27
night? >> They'll always be interesting.00:00:29
>> That's true. and they are kind of the00:00:30
perfect team for today's media ecosystem00:00:35
in the city in which they play00:00:37
>> because they'll always be it feels like00:00:41
some measure of controversy these days00:00:45
typically courtesy of a replay of the00:00:47
tush push where it's like oh yeah jumped00:00:49
again there will all there will more00:00:52
often than not00:00:54
>> be a little bit of lunacy like00:00:57
waitriani's doing What? I thought Troy00:01:00
Aman might leave the booth to go have a00:01:02
stern talking to with Nick Serriani when00:01:04
he decided to go for that fourth and six00:01:07
at the end of the game. There will00:01:10
there's often some ominous stories which00:01:13
is once like I thought I really enjoy00:01:16
Troy and Joe. Uh, and it seems like they00:01:21
give us a little extra cuz they all the00:01:24
playby-play duos get info that they00:01:27
don't then share in those pre-production00:01:29
meetings. And when they were talking00:01:32
about talking with Jaylen Herz and00:01:34
asking him about his relationship with00:01:36
AJ Brown and then Joe just offers up,00:01:39
he's like, "Yeah, and I wish you could00:01:40
share what he told you after that story00:01:43
when >> Joe went a little far. I BET TROY WAS00:01:46
[laughter] >> EXACTLY BUT IT just it just see you know00:01:49
so they we'll always have all of these00:01:52
peaks and valleys and usually in a win00:01:56
and so it's just listen that if you guys00:02:00
remember after week one of the season I00:02:02
was super down on the Eagles because I00:02:04
was like oo that defense took a huge00:02:06
step back the defense has steadily00:02:08
improved the additions clearly most00:02:11
notably Phillips mattered and the00:02:13
defense more than carried carried the00:02:14
day. They are clearly an excellent team.00:02:17
They're the defending champs. They've00:02:18
played a brutal schedule. They're seven00:02:19
and two, but the offense is weird and00:02:23
the AJ Brown thing is more than weird.00:02:26
It's inexplicable. So, it it's just who00:02:29
they're going to be. And I don't see I00:02:32
just think it's going to continue on00:02:34
this saga of more often than not they00:02:36
find a way to win and you leave the game00:02:38
scratching your head like what a weird00:02:41
team and a weird game.00:02:43
Yeah, to me they proved they are the00:02:46
team to beat in the NFC. Now, you might00:02:48
say, well, they're the defending champ,00:02:50
so of course, but I think they went out00:02:54
and showed they are the best team in the00:02:56
conference and and actually I think00:02:57
they're the best team in the league.00:02:59
Like, that was a great win. And you're00:03:01
right, the offense obviously left a lot00:03:03
to be desired, but defensively they came00:03:07
out and you mentioned the new additions,00:03:08
Jaylen Phillips, seven pressures. They00:03:12
had had trouble getting to quarterbacks00:03:13
and now all of a sudden last night they00:03:15
get three sacks. They have been00:03:17
averaging about two a game. So, you00:03:19
know, that's improved at least for a00:03:21
night. And Nolan Smith had a sack.00:03:25
Phillips forced this forced the fumble00:03:27
out Josh Jacobs late in the game. So,00:03:29
defensively, like you said, Nick,00:03:31
they're starting to grow. And then00:03:32
offensively, you're right, they're a00:03:34
little bit strange, but00:03:36
>> I mean, it's more strange, right? Well,00:03:38
I think I mean, look, you you have games00:03:41
where you just it's not clicking and I00:03:43
know they have more. I don't think it'd00:03:45
be as talked about if AJ Brown wasn't00:03:48
doing his little antics. I honest if AJ00:03:50
Brown doesn't come out this week and say00:03:52
anything.00:03:53
>> They going to move right on. Like I I00:03:55
mean, we I I just this is a good win.00:03:58
>> I think this is a good win. This shows00:04:00
your quarterback who always seems when00:04:04
he needs to make a play makes a play. He00:04:06
made the 36-yd touchdown pass to uh00:04:10
Devonte Smith. I mean, he came through00:04:12
like I'm not I I'm sorry. I'm not down00:04:16
on this win at all for Philadelphia.00:04:18
They went into another playoff team,00:04:22
Super Bowl contender, something. I think00:04:24
going went into their house and beat00:04:26
them on their own turf. We know it was a00:04:29
grudge match between the two teams. So,00:04:30
it was ugly. It was hard fought, but00:04:33
I'll take some of those.00:04:34
>> Okay. I'm the Jaylen Herz guy on the00:04:36
show and I'm the Drake May guy on the00:04:37
show. One's a lot easier than the other00:04:41
right now. And I have a hard I'm not00:04:43
gonna00:04:45
totally blame Jaylen Herz, although his00:04:47
numbers this game were not good. And00:04:50
there's passes that are offtarget that00:04:52
are not necessarily Kevin Patula's00:04:54
fault. But having AJ Brown have three00:04:58
targets, one of them being the final00:05:00
play of the game, which which was maybe00:05:03
an arm punt. I'm like trying to like00:05:05
maybe if this gets intercepted, we don't00:05:07
hate it cuz it's at the one.00:05:09
>> No, but the Green Bay knows not to00:05:11
intercept it, right?00:05:12
>> I know, but sometimes you just grab it00:05:14
and I don't know. No, it was an00:05:15
indefensible decision that was that I00:05:18
think Wilds was made because Sirriani00:05:22
was trying to be cute and have nip in00:05:25
the bud any potential AJ Brown stuff00:05:27
like oh we tried to go to it00:05:28
>> like well not only to win it but it00:05:30
right it's like yeah you weren't00:05:32
featured but you won us the game that00:05:35
was the Cowboy script00:05:36
>> and it's right and it's the only way00:05:39
>> Green Bay had a chance to steal it at00:05:40
the end like Brew someone rooting for00:05:42
Green Bay you were thrilled Absolutely.00:05:45
Absolut. But I'm I I don't think00:05:49
>> You think he did that to appease AJ00:05:51
Brown?00:05:52
>> I think he did it because I thought it00:05:53
was an ego move by Sirriani.00:05:55
>> I I can agree with that. But I mean to00:05:58
me that's not going to appease AJ Brown.00:05:59
>> No, I agree with you. [laughter] But but00:06:01
>> if he caught a touchdown to like00:06:04
>> to ice the game and but the the AJ Brown00:06:07
stuff the the game he tweeted the using00:06:09
me but not use like nothing's going to00:06:11
appease this. still be like, "I got00:06:13
three targets."00:06:14
>> It was the same like he was like, "You00:06:15
know what? He didn't get a lot, but he00:06:17
got the most important one." That being00:06:19
said,00:06:21
>> again,00:06:23
am I a flag football championship00:06:26
winning coach? Yes. [laughter]00:06:28
You know, don't lay it at my feet. I But00:06:30
I do have some limits.00:06:33
>> Like, but at the same time, Brew, it's00:06:35
how you were a great wide receiver. We00:06:37
don't even know if you were great.00:06:38
[laughter]00:06:39
>> We made the state play. We just say, but00:06:41
yeah, you made a state playoff, but you00:06:42
know, you've got a wide receivers00:06:44
mentality. You're out there, you like00:06:47
>> you got to be able to draw up more than00:06:50
three targets for AJ Brown. So, you have00:06:52
to. And I'm not saying I could do it,00:06:54
but I'm also not saying I couldn't do00:06:56
it. >> Well, here's here's the argument as to00:06:58
not necessarily that you could do it,00:07:00
but that all of the coordinators before00:07:03
Patulo could. As far00:07:05
>> just draw Hey AJ, do you have your old00:07:07
playbooks? Can I see one? So, what' you00:07:09
like? That's good. Let's do that.00:07:11
>> AJ Brown's career with the Eagles prior00:07:13
to this year,00:07:15
>> one out of 47 games, he had three or00:07:17
fewer targets.00:07:18
>> This year, two of eight. That's a00:07:21
problem. I think that that this graphic00:07:25
leads perfectly into this graphic, Brew,00:07:27
which is in Okay, so this is AJ's career00:07:30
with the Eagles again.00:07:32
>> It just this is00:07:33
>> first couple years there were great.00:07:35
>> Yeah. leading the league in targets or00:07:37
something close to it and a monster00:07:39
production this year has fallen off.00:07:41
>> But all of that has led to this three00:07:44
and out number which can't happen. Look00:07:47
at the quarterbacks and teams and the00:07:50
Eagles have the highest in the league. A00:07:52
third of their drives go three and out.00:07:54
That is the same as the Broncos who by00:07:56
the way won a 107 nationally televised00:08:00
game a few days ago. Now, they weren't00:08:01
playing the Packers. They were playing00:08:02
the Raiders. But we killed them for you,00:08:05
right? You know, it's a big difference.00:08:06
>> Of course, it's a big difference. My00:08:07
point is that But it's Bo Knicks. It's00:08:10
rookie Cam Ward. It's rook basically00:08:13
rookie JJ McCarthy/Carson Wentz. It's a00:08:16
little Burrow, a little Browning, and00:08:18
I'm sure Flaco one. I'm surprised.00:08:19
>> Well, because the four games with00:08:20
Browning were so bad.00:08:23
>> That's what most of it because obviously00:08:24
Flaco's been he's been Joe Burrow 2.0.00:08:27
[laughter] Um, and then uh the Browns00:08:31
who were had somehow had bad Flaco, not00:08:33
good Flaco, and now Dylan Gabriel. It00:08:36
and the Eagles who HAVE THE MOST00:08:38
EXPENSIVE offense in the league have00:08:41
been their skill position guys have been00:08:43
healthy and I know Saquon struggled this00:08:46
year and struggled again yesterday. He00:08:47
had the big but but as far as him00:08:50
running the ball was another 22 for 6000:08:52
or something.00:08:53
>> That might I bet that one on Packers D.00:08:55
>> Yeah, sure. Absolutely. Even though00:08:56
Michael Parson is the worst run defender00:08:58
ever, I just it is there is something00:09:03
>> Troy's and Joe's comments about asking00:09:06
they were like we asked Jaylen about00:09:09
AJ's comments and he would not say00:09:11
anything other than he wanted to win.00:09:15
And then then Joe was like and I wish we00:09:18
could talk about you know what he said00:09:20
after it. It is more than ominous that00:09:24
yes, the there's a pulo problem, but I00:09:27
also think Jaylen's not looking for AJ00:09:29
the way he used to.00:09:30
>> That's true.00:09:31
>> And and again, there I agree with you,00:09:34
Drew. They're a great team, but this is00:09:35
weird. The offense is weird.00:09:37
>> I think I don't think Jaylen would let00:09:39
what if there are personal feelings. I00:09:41
have no idea if there if there are00:09:42
personal feelings between them or00:09:44
issues. I don't think Jaylen would let00:09:46
that get in the way. I and I would I00:09:47
would assume those issues were there00:09:50
last year when obviously they went on to00:09:52
win the Super Bowl. >> Yeah. No, I agree with you. I don't00:09:54
think I I think Jaylen Herds only cares00:09:56
about winning. But I also think you can00:10:00
approach winning00:10:02
different ways. One is let's just have00:10:04
exp let's make as many explosive plays00:10:06
as possible. If we make a few mistakes,00:10:08
so be it. We'll make up for it. Another00:10:10
approach is make no mistakes. be super00:10:13
conservative and and that's the approach00:10:15
last night seemed to be here.00:10:17
>> If it's not wide open, I'm not taking00:10:20
it. >> Uh meanwhile, the Packers dropped to 5300:10:23
and one. Jordan Love threw for a00:10:25
>> little over 175, got sacked three times,00:10:28
lost a fumble, broke.00:10:29
>> It just looked00:10:30
>> That was one of those00:10:32
Jay No moments here and there. I mean,00:10:35
>> uh first seven games to last two games.00:10:37
We'll focus on last two. Uh 0 and2 team00:10:41
points are down 17. Passing yards down00:10:43
about 25. No touchdowns, two00:10:46
interceptions, and passer rating.00:10:48
>> Turnovers. >> Oh, two turnovers. Sorry. Uh and passer00:10:50
rating [music] down from 113 to about00:10:53
75. Brew, are you losing any faith?00:10:57
>> That was not a JAY NO GAME OTHER than00:11:01
that strip sack. It was a Jay. No,00:11:06
>> like00:11:07
>> he just didn't have it.00:11:09
>> There's a difference. And and I am00:11:11
losing a little bit of faith. You know,00:11:13
I still look the thing with him. And he00:11:16
mentioned the lack of consistency.00:11:18
That's him.00:11:19
>> You have no idea what you're going to00:11:22
get from game to game from Jordan Love.00:11:26
And maybe even they feel maybe from00:11:27
possession to possession. Like two weeks00:11:29
ago against Pittsburgh, he was00:11:31
phenomenal. you had no and you've been00:11:34
kind of, you know, not a little bit of a00:11:36
detractor and even you were like, "Hey,00:11:38
that was awesome. I have no problem with00:11:40
him being on bruised ballot that week00:11:42
>> and then the last two weeks he's been00:11:44
bad." And we've seen him be great for00:11:46
half a season and then bad for half a00:11:49
season and vice versa. So, they have one00:11:52
problem. And I'm not saying it's it's00:11:55
just him, but the offense is the00:11:57
problem. The three losses the defense00:11:59
gave up 10 points, 16 points, 13 points.00:12:03
You should win every single one of those00:12:05
games.00:12:06
>> Everybody else does. You keep going.00:12:07
Just show my graphic about here's the00:12:10
the league this year when you allow 1700:12:14
points or less. The Packers have lost00:12:16
three games. I think we can show it. The00:12:18
Packers have lost three games.00:12:20
>> They're one and three when allowing se00:12:22
when allowing under 17. the rest of the00:12:25
league is 62 and5 and the the00:12:29
quarterbacks who have lost those games.00:12:32
You look at it and it's like okay so00:12:35
it's guys we have real questions about00:12:38
and Jordan who's done it three times.00:12:41
>> Yeah. and and and the thing and I you00:12:43
could obvious you know it's interesting00:12:45
go's had great moments Kyler's had great00:12:48
moments00:12:49
>> but00:12:50
>> yeah they the defense is great00:12:53
>> and they got to find a way to fix00:12:55
offense the there are other issues00:12:57
offensive line hasn't been great the run00:12:58
game I think Jacobs is still great but00:13:02
he just hasn't even averaged four yards00:13:04
a carry this year so that's been an00:13:06
issue but the success or failure of the00:13:09
offense always comes down to the00:13:11
quarterback and he is just we we have a00:13:14
graphic here. He's really struggled00:13:16
against the pressure00:13:17
>> like that's been the main thing and last00:13:19
night he was pressured. So look at this00:13:21
verse no pressure. He's phenomenal and a00:13:25
lot of those ranks are top of the league00:13:27
or is second third best in the league.00:13:29
And then the pressure ranks you see he00:13:31
really struggles pass rating those are00:13:33
near the bottom of the league. So, you00:13:35
know, we see quarterbacks like that,00:13:37
Jared Goff and and some others, but he's00:13:39
going to have to get better against00:13:41
pressure and be more consistent.00:13:42
>> I go ahead, kid.00:13:43
>> Well, I was going to show you this00:13:44
headline for your reaction. We were00:13:46
going to kick this around. It was going00:13:47
to be one of our main topics before Nico00:13:49
Harrison got fired. Why Packers Matt00:13:51
Lafllora might be coaching for his job00:13:53
after the loss. This took me as00:13:55
surprise.00:13:56
>> It shocked me, too. And then I thought00:13:58
about it. >> Okay.00:14:00
>> The last year with Rogers, they missed00:14:03
the playoffs.00:14:05
Two years ago, they're the seven seed.00:14:08
Have a shocking round one win, but00:14:10
they're the seven seed. Last year,00:14:13
they're the seven seed.00:14:16
This year,00:14:17
>> yeah,00:14:18
>> it's them, Chicago, and San Francisco.00:14:22
One of the at least one of those teams00:14:23
going to be left without a chair,00:14:25
barring a collapse from one of the top00:14:27
six teams, which would shock us. It00:14:29
would shock us if Philly is obviously00:14:32
going to be because of the division.00:14:33
Tampa, same thing. But if the Rams,00:14:35
Seattle, or Detroit, you know what I00:14:38
mean, miss out. There's five. So those00:14:41
like there's two spots available for00:14:42
Green Bay, the Niners, who have just00:14:45
been consistently winning and have, you00:14:47
know, a fortunate schedule in Chicago,00:14:49
who I think's most likely ended up00:14:51
without the chair, but they get00:14:53
>> But they're they're fortunate and they00:14:54
they still going to have to fight to00:14:55
make it. That seven spot feels like it's00:14:58
right there, >> right? But so the question is that00:15:00
though and why they're I think that if00:15:03
they're the seven seed if they if00:15:05
>> the year Rogers last year they were the00:15:07
eight seed00:15:08
>> then they go seven seed seven seed seven00:15:11
seed and two straight years one and done00:15:13
in the playoffs when keep in mind the00:15:16
article talks about Gutenk and Laflur00:15:20
>> next year would be the last year on00:15:22
their contract so you either extend or00:15:24
fire like that's how the NFL works.00:15:26
owner said he doesn't they or they don't00:15:28
the leaders don't really believe in lame00:15:30
duck00:15:31
>> right no but no good franchise wants00:15:33
your head coach on the Cowboys the only00:15:35
team that's like and the Bengals they're00:15:37
like we'll let him do the final year so00:15:39
I think that is and I do think Brew I00:15:42
said it the day they traded for Micah00:15:44
>> Jordan Love's the most intriguing player00:15:45
in the league if he if Jordan Love00:15:49
this year is the 10th best quarterback00:15:51
in football they can win the Super Bowl00:15:54
if he's one of the five best00:15:55
quarterbacks in football, they should00:15:57
win the Super Bowl with that defense.00:15:59
Right now,00:16:00
>> he hasn't been one of the 10 best.00:16:02
>> No.00:16:03
>> And the offense and now that you also00:16:05
have no Tucker Craft, you worry about00:16:08
what the team's going to look like. But00:16:10
I mean, that offense having zero points00:16:12
into the fourth quarter is just00:16:13
unforgivable.00:16:14
>> Uh Jordan Love's passer rating uh00:16:17
without Tucker Craft 92 with about 107.00:16:20
So, >> no, that's a huge loss.00:16:22
>> Uh all right, moving to the world of the00:16:23
NBA. Mavs owner Patrick Dumont was at00:16:26
his first Mavs game this year. Heard the00:16:27
fire Nico chance and finally said,00:16:29
"Okay,00:16:31
Nico out after uh nine months after he00:16:34
traded Luca to the Lakers." Dallas 300:16:36
and8 this year. Brew your reaction to00:16:38
this news. I I remember saying you guys00:16:41
probably remember the day after this00:16:42
trade was made00:16:44
>> or if I don't know if it was that00:16:46
morning when it was whenever [snorts] we00:16:47
were on next00:16:49
>> there were the only way to justify this00:16:52
trade was for them to win the00:16:54
championship within the next two years.00:16:57
Last year they didn't even make the00:16:59
playoffs. This year they were they're00:17:01
looking like they probably weren't going00:17:02
to make the playoffs. He was fortunate00:17:06
and lucky really that the pingpong balls00:17:09
bounced their way. And then a third way00:17:11
or a second way emerged for him to kind00:17:14
of work his way out of this trade. And00:17:16
that was if Cooper flag became and I I00:17:20
apologize for comparing him to white00:17:22
guys, but became Larry Bird or Luca00:17:25
Donuch. Yeah.00:17:26
>> Like and Cooper looks like he's going to00:17:28
be good, but he don't and he may00:17:30
eventually become a Donic. No, they came00:17:33
right into the league and right away00:17:35
were like one of the best players in the00:17:37
league and he's not that. That was the00:17:39
only thing that could save him cuz then00:17:42
at least you could look at it like,00:17:43
okay, we gave up a superstar future Hall00:17:46
of Famer for a younger one.00:17:48
>> And I would have that shouldn't have00:17:50
saved him at all because it's dumb luck.00:17:51
>> It would have been it wasn't the plan.00:17:54
They didn't It's not like they got00:17:56
Cooper with one of the picks they traded00:17:58
Luca for. It was just dumb luck. But um00:18:01
and I didn't mean to interrupt if you00:18:02
wanted the that00:18:03
>> listen I00:18:05
it's simply00:18:07
the worst move an executive has made in00:18:10
sports in a hundred years.00:18:12
>> It's hard to00:18:13
>> it's simply that00:18:15
>> and his hubris and quotes00:18:19
>> after the fact00:18:22
>> if the trade itself didn't fully do him00:18:24
in they did him in.00:18:26
>> How many times we have listened to00:18:27
defense wins championships? You're three00:18:29
and eight. You right now have the number00:18:31
three defense.00:18:32
>> But what do you I I hear you. What what00:18:34
what would you have rather him like if00:18:36
you make that type of trade, you got to00:18:38
make it with your chest.00:18:39
>> No, fair enough. Then then maybe it's00:18:41
not his comments. It's just the00:18:42
rationale. They have the right now this00:18:45
moment. The Dallas Mavericks have the00:18:47
third best defense in the NBA, but they00:18:49
have the 29th best offense. So it00:18:51
doesn't matter because in professional00:18:53
basketball the most important thing in00:18:56
the league is what Luca provides00:18:58
offense. Now to win a championship you00:19:01
also need defense but you cannot they it00:19:04
was they built a team around Luca's00:19:07
skill set and then they didn't have Luca00:19:09
anymore and the team immediately falls00:19:11
apart. I also don't give him a pass on00:19:14
out of the injuries. No.00:19:15
>> The moment you trade Luca, Kyrie played00:19:18
40 minutes a game for a month cuz he's00:19:21
the only creator. He gets hurt. You00:19:23
trade for Anthony Davis, whose biggest00:19:26
knock is his injury history.00:19:27
>> He's played 14 Anthony Davis 14 out of00:19:31
44 possible games.00:19:32
>> Wait, and by the way, you now have to00:19:34
consider trading him.00:19:36
>> Yeah, that that would be the move I'd be00:19:38
looking to do.00:19:39
>> So be so this is what00:19:40
>> go try to go young. I don't think people00:19:42
have fully realized what a not only what00:19:46
a disaster this is for Dallas. People00:19:48
know that. But the butterfly effect for00:19:51
the rest of the West because Dallas does00:19:53
not have they have their own pick this00:19:56
year and then in 2027 their pick goes to00:19:59
Charlotte. They don't own it. And in00:20:01
202800:20:03
they swap their pick with the Thunder.00:20:06
And in 2029 their pick goes to the00:20:10
Rockets. and in 2030 they swap their00:20:14
pick with the Spurs.00:20:16
So the Mavs might00:20:18
>> they're swapping a 20 first round pick00:20:20
in 2030 with the Spurs and in in two00:20:25
year two and a HALF YEARS THEY'RE00:20:26
SWAPPING WITH THE THUNDER AND THE YEAR00:20:28
IN BETWEEN THEY'RE GIVING THEIRS to the00:20:30
Rockets. The three teams that are00:20:33
potentially GOING TO BE AT THE TOP OF00:20:35
THE WEST ARE GOING TO HAVE THE MAVS00:20:37
FIRST ROUND pick at the end of the00:20:40
decade. So that's why to your point they00:20:42
should look to trade AD. See if there's00:20:44
a team that thinks it's close and get00:20:46
rid and and honestly they should look to00:20:49
trade Kyrie too.00:20:51
>> I mean if they can if they can and Kyrie00:20:54
obviously is a great player again a team00:20:55
that's close. See if you can get and00:20:57
then just go young.00:20:58
>> Let's have Clay go back to the Warriors.00:20:59
I just don't poor Clay's language00:21:01
>> not working out the but the I mean so00:21:04
the Listen00:21:06
>> I I want to I I mean this and I I know00:21:10
it's just sports but it's not just00:21:12
sports like people that love sports love00:21:15
sports and it it really does impact like00:21:18
your mood and how you feel and the00:21:21
>> the ability to follow a team and follow00:21:24
a player.00:21:27
What this guy's hubris or ego or own00:21:31
basketball malfunction in his brain did00:21:35
to Mavs fans is one of the saddest00:21:37
things I've seen in recent in in sports00:21:40
sad is what I mean. it. We are right. We00:21:44
are used to00:21:45
>> in sports, hey, there's a chance a00:21:47
player's gonna get mad and demand out00:21:50
like we gota we we we were prepared for00:21:51
that.00:21:53
>> But if you were a Mavericks fan, you00:21:55
were just like like can you imagine KW00:21:58
imagine if in two years and two more top00:22:02
five MVP finishes, you wake up one00:22:05
morning and Elliot Wolf traded Drake00:22:08
May.00:22:09
>> Yeah. And it's like you just don't get00:22:11
to follow him anymore.00:22:13
>> Great heard all. [laughter]00:22:14
>> Yeah. For Joe Burrow.00:22:17
>> I mean, okay. But yeah, that's just a00:22:22
defensive00:22:23
>> It just feels like it was something was00:22:25
stolen from you.00:22:27
>> Yeah. >> By Cuz what?00:22:28
>> Not like it shouldn't be allowed.00:22:30
>> Yes. >> It sounds weird, but it's like Oh,00:22:32
you're like you're like kind of took00:22:34
taking a community piece of the00:22:35
community. franchises go decades without00:22:40
getting a Luca Donuch.00:22:41
>> Coach, you're here. You wanted to honor00:22:43
a veteran close to you.00:22:44
>> Yeah. I want to honor my dad, Carmine00:22:46
Manini, was a proud member of the US00:22:48
Navy and served in the Korean War.00:22:51
>> Well, that's an amazing picture, the the00:22:54
slight resemblance there, [laughter]00:22:55
coach. uh the if if I may uh honor once00:23:00
again uh my wife's grandfather who's00:23:03
become my grandfather as well, Chief00:23:05
[music] Master Sergeant Abram Jones,00:23:07
William Abram Jones, who's still with00:23:09
us, still travels with us, hangs out00:23:11
[music] uh when he comes to New York,00:23:13
and is now also a great greatgrandfather00:23:18
and met his wife in the Air Force, did00:23:21
30 years, and uh is probably watching00:23:23
right now. And he still looks good. I've00:23:26
met >> He does. He does.00:23:27
>> He does. He still does his his 2500:23:29
push-ups every morning. Does he really?00:23:31
Yeah. At 95 years old.00:23:32
>> Wow. >> Yeah.00:23:33
>> Yeah. I I want to honor three of the00:23:35
four most important men in my life along00:23:37
with my brother, my grand two00:23:39
grandfathers, Burley Brousard, Leonard00:23:41
Borugard, who fought who were in World00:23:44
War II. And then my father uh who was in00:23:47
Vietnam, Edward Brousard. Uh they're all00:23:50
passed away now, but great men that00:23:53
molded me and shaped me. So salute to00:23:56
them. >> Um I want before we get back to show, I00:23:58
want to send uh my thoughts to everyone00:24:01
from my hometown, Grog, Connecticut,00:24:02
submarine capital of the world. We also00:24:04
have the Coast Guard Academy there. So I00:24:06
[music] wanted to they're in my, you00:24:08
know, thoughts all the time. But I also00:24:10
wanted to [music] say one other thing.00:24:13
When I was growing up, uh, we always had00:24:16
kids that [music] had come to school00:24:18
from different parts of the country00:24:19
because there was a lot of Navy00:24:21
families. So, you get kids coming from00:24:22
San Diego, you [music] get kids coming00:24:24
in from Virginia. And I never realized00:24:27
until I became a father the shared00:24:29
sacrifice of the families of veterans00:24:32
and people in the military, whether00:24:34
it's, [music] you know, if your mom is00:24:36
out and your dad's or, you know, holding00:24:38
down the fort or your dad is out, which00:24:40
a lot of times the fathers would be on00:24:41
submarines. [music]00:24:42
and uh you know my wife is gone for the00:24:44
weekend and I was lost. So the idea that00:24:46
you'd be out for you know months at a00:24:48
time [music] serving the country it's a00:24:50
shared sacrifice. So happy Veterans Day00:24:52
to all the veterans and their families.00:24:55
>> Beautiful KW.00:24:56
>> Thank you.00:24:57
>> You're such a sweet guy. KW got choked00:24:59
up saying that.00:25:00
>> No, it was very nice. I didn't realize00:25:01
cuz I was like I was like a kid and then00:25:03
I was I became a father. I was like,00:25:04
man, for like these dads would be out00:25:06
for00:25:07
>> months at a time and it was just like00:25:09
normal cuz you got used to it00:25:11
>> and like once you're a dad like wow it's00:25:13
a it's a real sacrifice a shared00:25:15
sacrifice for an entire family and00:25:17
>> well thank you for you know I don't00:25:19
really deserve much. [music] It was just00:25:20
shouting all the credit. Uh back to00:25:23
first things first. Joe Burrow uh00:25:26
returned to practice yesterday and told00:25:28
Jay Glazer that he is aiming for a00:25:31
return around Thanksgiving, but not00:25:33
necessarily on Thanksgiving. Still00:25:36
haven't landed on a hairstyle, but00:25:38
[laughter]00:25:42
there's just a lot. >> He was fresh off. He had his nail every00:25:45
just rolling the dice out there00:25:47
[laughter] every few months. Are you00:25:49
buying his optimism00:25:50
>> of their chances? No. Because00:25:54
as the Bengals are presently00:25:55
constituted, they won't be any better00:25:57
with him.00:25:58
>> Now, if Flaco falls off, Brew,00:26:00
>> he's going to fall off.00:26:01
>> They Okay, but as they are presently00:26:03
playing, they have scored 80 points in00:26:06
their last two losses. 80. I [laughter]00:26:09
mean, they00:26:10
>> Flaco did have two picks last game.00:26:12
>> Britney had four touchdowns and 50000:26:15
yards. >> Yeah, Br. I mean, they have scored 4200:26:18
and 38 in their losses. like their00:26:21
problem is not quarterback play. Now,00:26:23
what I will say is this, Brew, this is a00:26:26
little unintentional dig at your Ravens00:26:30
[laughter]00:26:31
and also I think00:26:33
by happen stance, bad news for your00:26:36
Ravens because this is setting up for if00:26:40
it is true that he's going to come back00:26:42
after Thanksgiving, the Ravens on00:26:44
Thanksgiving are going to have to deal00:26:46
with Joe Flacco thinking this might be00:26:50
my last start of my career on00:26:53
Thanksgiving and I am chucking this00:26:55
sucker deep all game and then you're00:26:58
going to have to deal with actual Joe00:27:00
Burrow a few weeks later. But no, I00:27:02
think the Bengals are cooked and I don't00:27:04
think their problem is quarterback play.00:27:05
>> Well, look, Flaco, I think I by my00:27:08
estimation has one great game left for00:27:12
Thanksgiving.00:27:13
>> NO, BUT HE'S GOING SIX. IT'LL BE THIS00:27:15
NEXT game and then he'll he'll turn back00:27:18
into a pumpkin. So, by the time they00:27:19
play the Ravens, he'll be throwing the00:27:21
ball to the opposing team. But, um, I00:27:24
I'll be honest. I mean, if I'm uh uh Joe00:27:27
Burrow, he's got the right attitude.00:27:30
Like, it is wide open. I mean he he's00:27:32
they are two games behind Pittsburgh who00:27:36
they play and you know and as someone00:27:39
rooting who picked the Ravens yeah I'm a00:27:42
little more concerned with Flaco I mean00:27:45
with uh Burrow playing00:27:46
>> Freudian slip00:27:47
>> if if Burrow doesn't play I feel like00:27:49
those are two you know they have no room00:27:52
for error obviously but those are two00:27:53
games they should win they should sweep00:27:55
the Bengals if he plays now they swept00:27:58
them last year but it was 4138 in00:28:01
overtime time and it was 3534. So00:28:04
>> those were the scores. The the Ravens00:28:07
beat the Bengals twice last year, but00:28:09
with Burrow playing it was separated by00:28:11
four points in both games.00:28:13
>> They scored 38 points and lost with Joe00:28:15
Burrow like they did with Joe Flacco two00:28:17
weeks ago. >> I mean, YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS a kill B00:28:20
THING, BUT I'M SAYING LIKE00:28:21
>> I'M JUST SAYING THEY'RE makes them a lot00:28:23
more dangerous. He'll he will bring even00:28:26
if you think even if Flaggo's playing00:28:28
well Burrow will bring more hope, more00:28:31
belief, more confidence in that locker00:28:33
room like they will be I I think this00:28:36
Ravens still can obviously sweep them.00:28:37
They did it last year but it makes their00:28:39
road a little bit tougher.00:28:41
>> I absolutely agree with Joe Burrow. The00:28:43
division's wide open just not for them.00:28:45
[laughter]00:28:46
It's not not for and and to Nick's point00:28:49
42 points 38 points and 33 points in the00:28:52
last three games. That's a 37 point00:28:54
three average. So what's Joe Burr going00:28:56
to be good for another field goal? Still00:28:57
get to 40. That's that's not the00:28:59
problem. 32nd in yards, 32nd in points,00:29:02
32nd in rush yards, 30 in passing yards,00:29:05
29th in sacks, tied for 25th in00:29:07
takeaways. So they really weren't the00:29:09
same last year though.00:29:10
>> Yeah, they were.00:29:11
>> And they made a they I'm just saying00:29:12
they made a push. They were dangerous.00:29:14
>> Totally get it. But we're not looking at00:29:16
a team that has not scored a ridiculous00:29:19
amount of points and still found a way00:29:22
to lose. And unlike Baltimore, it00:29:25
doesn't seem like they're getting any00:29:26
better. If anything, they're find the00:29:28
they the the play against Chicago to00:29:31
lose the game. I mean, just brutal.00:29:34
>> So that was so bad,00:29:36
>> but it doesn't seem unfixable.00:29:40
>> Does that make like it's just you're not00:29:42
making tackles? It it look you you want00:29:46
to look you want to you want00:29:47
>> they don't bad00:29:48
>> this has gone on for a year but00:29:52
>> they have NFL quality players I would00:29:55
think I would I would I would imagine if00:29:57
you were there you have to try something00:29:59
dramatically different. So when they're00:30:02
you're having this level of bad results00:30:05
over and over again, maybe you gota00:30:07
maybe it's got to be, you know, 70%00:30:10
blitz, 60%, but something dramatic00:30:13
because how do you want to die? You're00:30:15
you're bad right now. So why not go take00:30:18
some shots, try to blow up the other00:30:20
team, try to create some havoc with the00:30:23
hopes that you get two or three stops so00:30:25
that your offense can go and win the00:30:26
game because you just outscoring. In00:30:28
fairness, I think that kind of is what00:30:30
they tried against the Jets, which is00:30:33
the only way the Jets can then go score00:30:35
39 points. You know what I mean? Like I00:30:37
But the fact of the matter is they've00:30:39
run out. They fired. They were like,00:30:41
"It's Louis Anarumo's fault. How's he00:30:43
doing in Indie?00:30:44
>> Seems okay."00:30:45
>> Well, he's terrible last year.00:30:47
>> No, THE PLAYERS ARE BAD.00:30:49
>> HOW CAN THE PLAYERS BE THIS BAD?00:30:51
>> WHAT? SOMEBODY'S GOT TO BE 32ND. LIKE,00:30:53
DON'T BE them every year. Well, I don't00:30:55
change. They didn't CHANGE PLAYERS. THEY00:30:58
BROUGHT THEY RAN EVERYTHING BACK. THEY00:31:00
SAID, "We have this awesome offense,00:31:02
this terrible defense. What if what if00:31:04
we have this grand strategy of just00:31:06
paying our offensive players more00:31:07
money?"00:31:08
>> I know it doesn't make sense. The only00:31:10
the only thing is00:31:11
>> it feels like other defenses get hurt00:31:14
and all of a sudden, wow, three guys are00:31:16
out, four guys are out, and then and00:31:18
there's a next man up mentality. So you00:31:20
have, you know, guys who are starting00:31:22
who aren't starters in the league00:31:24
>> and they play better than the00:31:25
>> and they play better than the00:31:26
>> culture. I know you you don't like when00:31:28
I say that. It's true. They there are00:31:31
teams that have a defensive mentality00:31:34
and a defensive culture and they they00:31:37
just are good.00:31:38
>> What do you want to do?00:31:40
>> They have they don't care ABOUT DEFENSE.00:31:42
THEY PAYING ALL THE offensive players.00:31:43
So look, the guys who are on the defense00:31:45
obviously care about the defense and the00:31:46
coaches care about the defense, but it00:31:48
is one of those situations where when00:31:50
you're in a hole this big, it's not a00:31:52
question of just stop digging like some00:31:54
people say. You you got to try some00:31:56
different things and and maybe that's00:31:58
why they lost the Jets, but you can't00:32:00
just leave it the way it is. I maybe00:32:02
it's may just take some chances. You got00:32:06
to take some chances because this way is00:32:08
is not working and you are probably00:32:10
going to put up 30 35 a game.00:32:13
Just hear me out. Oh,00:32:14
>> come on, man.00:32:16
>> Come on, man. We don't have enough time.00:32:17
We got to get out. We're about to say00:32:19
something dumb.00:32:20
>> Say it. [laughter]00:32:21
>> He's about to say something dumb.00:32:24
>> Jamar Chase.00:32:27
>> I'm just saying you can track THE BALL.00:32:30
DESPERATE TIMES.00:32:32
>> He's going to dumb.00:32:35
>> Yeah, he was00:32:36
>> not tough enough.00:32:37
>> Okay, just come on. Let's go to get him00:32:39
hurt.00:32:40
>> I saw the look in your eye. I tried to00:32:41
save you. I knew it was going.00:32:42
>> We got to do something, but then let's00:32:44
just lose. I guess that's the other00:32:46
option. >> Let's try coach's way. Let's just blitz.00:32:48
>> Sean McDermott was asked about reuniting00:32:51
with former Bills OC and Josh Allen00:32:53
sculptor from just a raw piece of clay00:32:55
from Wyoming. Uh Brian Dball Mcder00:32:58
[music] not interested.00:33:00
>> So00:33:02
I have a take for you coach that I think00:33:04
you might like. Maybe you'll hate.00:33:06
>> Okay. I can't. There we go. No, but it's00:33:08
this is this isn't put your allpro00:33:10
receiver at defensive back because the00:33:13
Patriots did it with Troy Brown once00:33:15
>> and Julian [laughter]00:33:17
different pay scale back.00:33:19
>> All right. So if people don't00:33:22
Tyler Dunn who I like a lot I bring up a00:33:24
lot on the show. He has the great00:33:25
substack go long TD. He wrote the long00:33:27
form piece on the Caleb piece was him.00:33:29
He's also the one that wrote the00:33:31
McDermott piece a couple years ago that00:33:33
got a lot of traction because of the00:33:35
>> piece of it was the 9/11 reference, but00:33:38
also it talked about the dysfunction00:33:39
within the locker room and between00:33:41
McDermott and Josh or the offense00:33:45
and they talked about Brian Dable in it.00:33:48
And here's a here is a reference from it00:33:51
that kind of leads into my take. Thus,00:33:54
it's impossible not to ask one longtime00:33:57
build as a player who's close with all00:33:59
three individuals one question. Did00:34:01
Buffalo keep the wrong coach? There's00:34:04
nothing but dead air on the other end of00:34:06
the phone for 13 seconds. Do I need to00:34:08
continue my silence, this player said,00:34:10
or are we good? So, I thought about that00:34:13
when Tyler tweeted it out.00:34:14
>> Awesome way to respond,00:34:15
>> right? Um yesterday.00:34:17
>> And this is cuz I mentioned, hey, could00:34:20
they bring him back in the fold? You00:34:22
bring him back in the fold now. It00:34:24
undermines Joe Brady entirely. You can't00:34:26
do that.00:34:27
>> Also seems like there was friction00:34:29
between he and McDermott. He being Brian00:34:31
Dable.00:34:32
>> Also, Josh Allen has picked his last two00:34:34
offensive coordinators. Like, he has had00:34:35
a real say in it. Question I have is00:34:37
this. If the Bills don't win the00:34:41
division, which right now they're00:34:42
favored not to do, and if they for the00:34:44
first time in the Josh Allen MVPish00:34:48
era, >> go out in round one and they fire Shawn00:34:51
McDermott because I think we all believe00:34:52
they probably would if they lose in00:34:54
round one of the playoffs,00:34:56
>> would Brian Dable, head coach of the00:34:58
Buffalo Bills, be a real possibility00:35:02
because Josh Allen loves him and00:35:04
arguably he's played his best football00:35:06
with him. Obviously, Dable would do it.00:35:08
There's not a question there. Do you00:35:09
think that is pie in the sky nonsense or00:35:12
something that is on the board of00:35:15
possibilities?00:35:16
>> I look I don't rule out anything being a00:35:19
possibility. The first thing I want to00:35:20
say about friction between him and00:35:21
McDermott. So Brian was with me. He was00:35:23
my assistant in the secondary when we00:35:25
were in New England. Then he was my00:35:27
quarterback coach at the Jets. Then he00:35:28
was the offense coordinator for me at00:35:30
the Browns. He is not a friction guy. He00:35:32
is not a guy that's going to create any00:35:35
kind of problems on a staff. So that the00:35:37
idea that there is friction between him00:35:38
and the head coach, that's not how he's00:35:40
wired. That it just it's inconceivable00:35:43
for me to imagine that was the case.00:35:45
Will will he defend the things he00:35:47
believes in? Yeah. But he's not going to00:35:49
he's he's not going to undermine00:35:52
anything that the head coach is trying00:35:53
to achieve in terms of him going back00:35:55
there in the short term. I get why00:35:57
people are talking about that, but if00:35:59
anything, he needs to decompress a00:36:00
little bit, get away from football for a00:36:02
while, and then if he wants to go back00:36:03
somewhere, go back a little bit later in00:36:05
the season. I think New England would00:36:07
actually be a great place for him to go00:36:09
back and console for a while. They're00:36:11
probably going to win the division. And00:36:12
let's say the Bills don't want him back.00:36:14
Be a nice place to go back to if the00:36:16
Bills didn't want you back to just be00:36:17
like, "Oh, okay. Well, maybe I'll help00:36:19
out here for a little bit." So, so00:36:20
there's that. In terms of him becoming a00:36:23
head coach in Buffalo, when you do00:36:26
transition head coaches, there is an00:36:27
element of having to sell to the fan00:36:29
base. So, it's a little bit tougher cell00:36:31
based off the way that00:36:32
>> But I think Bill's fans love him.00:36:34
>> Well, well, They feel like he helped00:36:36
Josh become Josh.00:36:38
>> I can tell you definitively nobody loves00:36:40
Buffalo, the city of Buffalo more than00:36:43
Brian Dable. He was raised there. He is00:36:45
a proud you know Buffalonian. So he, you00:36:50
know, that would be great from a,00:36:53
you know, hometown hero coming back.00:36:55
It's just whether the the ownership00:36:57
could sell it.00:36:58
If you're an owner that doesn't care00:37:00
whether or not you know how people00:37:02
perceive you and you're going to make00:37:03
the move because you think it's the best00:37:04
and then then so be it. Robert Craft did00:37:07
that by hiring Bill Bichc a long time00:37:09
ago when Bill was very much out of favor00:37:13
you nationally.00:37:14
>> Yeah. No, that that Bichc's a great00:37:16
example because look, I think Dable, he00:37:18
obviously did a very good job his first00:37:20
year with the Giants and I think he00:37:22
could go somewhere else and do a very00:37:25
good job.00:37:26
>> But with the Bills, you you guys know a00:37:29
few years ago I was saying if the Bills00:37:32
don't get it done this year, McDermott00:37:33
should go. I think McDermott is a good00:37:35
coach. It seems to me like even if they00:37:37
do go out in the playoffs again in in00:37:41
you know bad fashion, they just seem00:37:43
like they are going to keep Mcdermad to00:37:45
me. Now maybe I'm wrong. So I think he's00:37:48
there. He obviously said the right thing00:37:51
about we're not considering Dable now,00:37:53
but if they go out in the first round,00:37:56
even if they just don't make the Super00:37:57
Bowl and the offense is a problem, I00:38:00
could see getting rid of break. I could00:38:02
see bringing Dable back as an OC and and00:38:05
with Josh now. And again, if McDerm ever00:38:07
got fired, then could he You can't see00:38:09
him as a OC.00:38:10
>> I don't know. I don't He just doesn't00:38:12
>> I I think >> I just think he's going to try to get a00:38:14
head coaching.00:38:15
>> He might, but we've seen a lot of former00:38:17
head coaches go back to being00:38:18
coordinators. And I think that would be00:38:20
the case. And I think coach is right,00:38:22
Nick. They It better work. You better00:38:24
win the Super Bowl if you bring in Dable00:38:26
after how it went with the Giants and00:38:28
you fire Mcder to bring in Dable.00:38:30
[music] I just I don't see that happen.00:38:32
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The Dallas Mavericks have fired GM Nico Harrison only a few months after trading away Luka Doncic to the Los Angeles Lakers. Nick Wright, Chris Broussard, and Kevin Wildes react to the news and say that the Luka trade was the “worst move in sports in 100 years”. Plus, they discuss the Philadelphia Eagles beating the Green Bay Packers 10-7 and if Green Bay should be concerned with Jordan Love. They also discuss Cincinnati Bengals QB Joe Burrow saying that the AFC North is “wide open”. Download the FOX Sports App: https://www.foxsports.com/?af_sub2=dcg&pid=social&af_channel=social&c=FSsocial-revamp&af_sub1=FSsocial-revamp&af_prt= ► First Things First’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@FirstThingsFirst ► "Outta Pocket w/RGIII" YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@OuttaPocketRG3 About First Things First: Nick Wright, Chris Broussard, and Kevin Wildes team up on First Things First. The trio offers their take on a bevy of sports stories alongside special guests from across the sports world. Nico Harrison FIRED by Mavs for ‘worst move in 100 YEARS’, Can the Bengals win the AFC North? | FTF www.youtube.com/@FirstThingsFirst
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