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live from New York. It's a show that is00:00:02
getting ready for Thanksgiving. Getting00:00:04
ready thinking about foods all00:00:06
>> It's also the show that over the00:00:08
Thanksgiving [music] break might have to00:00:10
recalibrate a bit.00:00:12
>> I agree with that.00:00:13
>> Drew is going to agree with me and the00:00:15
audience has noticed. Our Reddit page00:00:16
has noticed co-workers have noticed it00:00:19
is harsh.00:00:20
>> But you they're more harsh than regular.00:00:24
>> But here's But here's the thing. Here's00:00:25
what everyone's noticed. As Wild's real00:00:29
team, the Patriots have become [music]00:00:32
contenders,00:00:33
>> Wilds is changing.00:00:34
>> Yeah. No doubt.00:00:35
>> And cockier.00:00:37
>> Yes.00:00:39
>> Not as sweet and shy.00:00:40
>> Correct. And like let and really wants00:00:42
to be like the take guy. Which, by the00:00:46
way, we I have no problem. We have no00:00:47
problem with, but it takes a00:00:49
recalibration from all of us.00:00:51
>> All that funloving silly junk. He's00:00:53
done. >> He's done with it. They're playing for00:00:55
some real stakes. [laughter] For the00:00:57
record, if you give me an option,00:01:00
another option, I will take it. But with00:01:03
the risk of your [music] team being out00:01:04
of the Super Bowl and wheeled in on a00:01:06
hospital bed,00:01:07
>> Mhm.00:01:08
>> and you on the verge of being 500 by00:01:11
[music] Thanksgiving night, someone's00:01:14
got to do the heavy lifting.00:01:16
>> That's what I'm saying.00:01:17
>> Someone's got to be the villain and you00:01:19
guys could be It's like wrestling.00:01:20
>> We're starting with the eight and00:01:21
fourers. They get another win.00:01:25
Classic Wilds. Brock completed 2600:01:28
passes,00:01:29
23 to his team, [laughter]00:01:31
three to the Panthers. Uh, second time00:01:33
in his career he's [music] thrown three00:01:35
interceptions in a half. Brew,00:01:37
>> nevertheless, San Francisco prevails.00:01:39
>> I know that.00:01:40
>> Brew, are you worried about Pertie?00:01:43
>> Worried?00:01:44
>> Okay,00:01:45
>> come on, man. >> No, ser Mr. QB wins.00:01:49
Asking me if I'm worried.00:01:51
>> He has won three games. Yeah, in four.00:01:55
He's three and one. They're eight and00:01:57
four overall. Last night they beat a00:01:59
playoff contender handily.00:02:03
>> Despite >> And I'm supposed to be worried.00:02:07
I ain't worried at all.00:02:10
I'm quaking.00:02:12
[laughter] I'm overrun.00:02:15
I AM TREMBLING LIKE A TWIG IN A00:02:18
WINDSTORM.00:02:22
THAT'S HOW WORRY I'M WORRIED. I WISH I00:02:25
WAS ONLY WORRIED.00:02:27
>> Just cancel the show. [laughter]00:02:30
Just We can't get any better than this.00:02:32
It's You're the best. You got to be A00:02:34
SOLO. >> GOOGLE ME WILD.00:02:36
>> YOU'RE UNBELIEVABLE.00:02:37
>> GOOGLE ME.00:02:38
>> CHECK MY IMD PAGE.00:02:40
>> I DON'T BELONG. >> YOU DON'T THINK A BROTHER CAN ACT? NOW00:02:42
YOU DO. NOW YOU KNOW.00:02:44
>> I don't belong here. [laughter]00:02:46
>> I need to go to AAA or something. You're00:02:49
the best.00:02:50
Brock,00:02:52
get it together.00:02:54
Get it together.00:02:57
AND IF YOUR TOE IS BOTHERING YOU, SIT00:03:00
OUT. [laughter]00:03:01
>> IF NOT, YOU GOT TO MAKE BETTER PASSES00:03:04
AND BETTER DECISIONS cuz the TEAM00:03:06
ACTUALLY LOOKS PRETTY GOOD.00:03:07
>> YES.00:03:08
>> And you, you know, I ride with you, but00:03:10
you're looking like the weak link,00:03:12
>> and so you got to play better,00:03:16
>> bro. I I appreciate that. Yeah.00:03:18
>> All serious. Yeah. Um, [laughter]00:03:21
>> yeah. And this is Listen,00:03:23
[clears throat]00:03:24
>> this so I respect the humility that that00:03:28
took and the honesty that took,00:03:31
>> right? Because this is a problem and00:03:34
>> you can't really say it's an outlier.00:03:39
>> So like here here's the last few years00:03:42
guys who have had three straight drives00:03:45
with an interception. you're going to00:03:47
note like so it's pretty yesterday and00:03:49
then Dak who's really good and then00:03:52
quarterbacks that either aren't starters00:03:54
or we don't trust. So you might say00:03:56
>> well Jameus is approp like that's lately00:03:59
that's how Brock's been like he he has00:04:01
some big plays00:04:02
>> but he's it's like a reckless00:04:04
>> it's a great it's a great comp like00:04:07
Jamus when he actually that this is00:04:10
Jamus with the with New Orleans but00:04:12
you're thinking of like Bucks Jamus.00:04:14
>> Yes. You know what I mean? A guy is00:04:15
like, "Hey man, no risk it, no biscuit."00:04:17
>> Now, I mean, we know when he plays more,00:04:19
that's what's coming.00:04:20
>> And so that m the fact that, okay, it's00:04:22
happened once. He's done it once, don't00:04:24
five times. Makes it feel like it's an00:04:26
outlier.00:04:28
>> But what about multi-pick halves in the00:04:31
last three years? Brock has eight. Joe00:04:35
Flacco, who hasn't even been a00:04:37
full-time, same type of guy, and the00:04:39
prince, who I'll be honest,00:04:41
>> has a turnover problem. Yeah, [laughter]00:04:45
print.00:04:46
>> He has a turnover problem. And so this00:04:49
is my concern because I really agree00:04:52
with the last thing you said. I don't00:04:54
quite know how other than Shanahan's00:04:58
a brilliant tactician.00:05:01
Big Bob Salah is it see if if I had a00:05:05
vote if I had a vote for00:05:08
>> assistant coach of the year, which00:05:09
exists, that's an award that exists,00:05:11
it'd go to him right now. agree. He00:05:13
might get it. I mean, he's definitely00:05:14
got to be at00:05:15
>> Yeah. I mean, I'm not sure even who's00:05:17
the major contenders, but it feels like00:05:19
the fact that they have lost Warner and00:05:21
Bosa and going into the year, we were00:05:24
like, the defense has lost a lot of00:05:25
people in free agency and they are he's00:05:28
he's been brilliant. And Gish McCaffrey00:05:31
is out of this world. I don't know how00:05:33
long he keep it up, but he's out of this00:05:34
world. And then you have this question00:05:37
of it's unfair to Brock to say was it a00:05:42
fluke because it was an extended period.00:05:44
But >> no, he he legitimately played well.00:05:47
There's no question earlier.00:05:48
>> It's now it's the first two years of his00:05:50
career versus the last two years. And if00:05:53
we put them side by side, you look and00:05:56
you say, "Oh,00:05:58
is he just forget the win loss record,00:06:00
is he just not going to reach the00:06:04
heights that we saw?" And if that's the00:06:07
case, if he is still because you can00:06:09
deal with a bunch of turnovers if you00:06:11
are having as many of the boom plays,00:06:14
but particularly KW with the toe injury00:06:17
and the lack of mobility, which was one00:06:20
of his kind of underrated strengths,00:06:23
>> man, if I'm the ners, I am I'm on a if00:06:27
if his next game is awful, I'm I think I00:06:31
might have to go to Mac. Blame it on the00:06:33
foot. Let me add just quickly before I00:06:36
know you want to go. You can write off00:06:40
three touchdown or three interceptions00:06:41
and a half. You might say, "Okay, that's00:06:43
an aberration." Even though he's done it00:06:44
before,00:06:45
>> but he's got seven interceptions in four00:06:48
games this year. If you go back to his00:06:50
last three last year or last four games,00:06:53
he's got seven 11 interceptions in seven00:06:57
in his last seven starts. So this is bec00:07:00
and I'm gonna be honest when you talked00:07:02
a couple years ago when he was like I00:07:04
want to be more aggressive and lighted00:07:05
you know things like Tom Brady compared00:07:07
himself to not that he said he was Tom00:07:09
Brad on people's throat as a killer.00:07:12
>> He has been more reckless or aggressive00:07:16
instead of just kind of playing within00:07:18
the system00:07:20
>> and he he needs to go back to that cuz00:07:22
he's making too many mistakes.00:07:23
>> So if I was so I'm going to show you uh00:07:24
Pery's deep passes but I'm then I'm00:07:26
going to ask you a question. In 2025 he00:07:29
is uh one touchdown, four interceptions.00:07:32
2023 I think is what your is your kind00:07:35
of lineup his unbelievable.00:07:38
>> Mhm. >> But Brew what you mentioned speaks to a00:07:42
combination of health and decision00:07:44
making. What part of his struggles are00:07:47
health and what part are decision00:07:49
making?00:07:51
>> I think there's both in there. I think a00:07:54
lot of it is health. What what I don't00:07:56
know the status of his toad. They said00:07:57
it would be all year, but at the end of00:07:59
last year, he was kind of banged up. And00:08:01
he's he's banged up quite a bit. We've00:08:03
talked about that.00:08:05
>> And I think he even at Iowa State, I00:08:07
think he was, you know, an aggressive00:08:09
guy that would try to make throws. And00:08:10
that's what McCaffrey was talking about.00:08:12
I like that he continues to do it.00:08:14
Second half last night, he stayed00:08:16
relatively aggressive. They kept him00:08:18
throwing short passes for the most part.00:08:20
But00:08:21
>> I I I look, I do think he can get it00:08:23
back. And I'll bring up I'll bring up a00:08:26
benching possibly because00:08:29
Drew Brees was benched at one point in00:08:31
his career. Curt Warner obviously was00:08:33
benched. Troy Aman was benched at like I00:08:36
think uh the third year for Breeze and00:08:39
Aman. So Party's in his fourth year. I'm00:08:42
just saying you can come back from a00:08:44
benching if it come I wouldn't do it now00:08:46
but if he if he continues to throw two00:08:48
interceptions a game then you're going00:08:51
to have to >> Those are three good examples for now.00:08:53
Nick, do you mind rattling off the guys00:08:55
who got benched and did not play well?00:08:57
>> Yeah, I mean 70 of us, right? So like00:08:59
those are but I'm just saying the point00:09:01
that it's not a death nail is true.00:09:04
Typically though, if you're a veteran00:09:06
quarterback, which in year four you are,00:09:08
and you lose your job, it is a after00:09:12
you've been paid, it is a horrible sign.00:09:15
And here's what I would say.00:09:18
He plays and I don't want this to sound00:09:21
patronizing, but I guess it will.00:09:23
>> He plays with an undeserved arm00:09:26
arrogance.00:09:28
>> Yeah. Like Baker a little bit.00:09:29
>> He But Baker has a crazy strong arm.00:09:33
Baker has some other weaknesses,00:09:34
whatever. And Flacco is a guy Flacco,00:09:38
you know what I mean? Has I don't know00:09:40
if he still does to a degree.00:09:41
those he plays a style of the a guy00:09:46
that's like, man, I don't care that he's00:09:47
covered. I'm going to rip it in there.00:09:50
And certain guys, Brett Favre is the a00:09:53
pinnacle example of that, right? And00:09:56
then there's the00:09:57
>> anti-example of that is Jeff George, who00:10:00
had a strong as strong of arm as Brett00:10:02
Favre, but just made awful decisions. I00:10:05
don't know of many quarterbacks that00:10:07
I've seen in my lifetime that play that00:10:10
style without having a strong arm. And00:10:13
Perie, even when you as the at his peak,00:10:17
biggest defender, nobody was like, "Man,00:10:19
that guy's got a cannon." It's that his00:10:21
processing, decision-m, accuracy,00:10:23
timing, those things. And so that is00:10:26
what is so odd to me. Even if you00:10:29
remember, gosh, I think it was two years00:10:32
ago. It might have been the first game00:10:33
of the year.00:10:34
>> The touchdown pass he threw that00:10:36
Shanahan said that's the worst decision00:10:38
he's made when pass,00:10:39
>> right? But but you00:10:40
>> and that's part of what I mean again,00:10:42
McCaffrey was referring to.00:10:44
>> And so, but he just has it does00:10:48
>> I don't want to say he has bought into00:10:50
the hype because it is unfair even00:10:52
though I've been a lifelong or skeptic00:10:54
of his forever to call it hype because00:10:56
it wasn't hype. was he was top five in00:10:58
MVP voting. They made a Super Bowl. It00:11:00
wasn't makebelieve. But it seems like00:11:04
>> for some reason or another he got sick00:11:08
of making the easy plays and wanted to00:11:12
make the wow plays. Maybe because there00:11:14
was a jerk on TV saying count the wows00:11:16
or the oh nos. It's like I'm going to00:11:18
prove these people wrong. And then you00:11:20
and then so that change in style plus00:11:24
less talent around him plus being banged00:11:27
up plus maybe a little extra pressure of00:11:30
not that he hasn't played without00:11:31
pressure of oh man M. Jones played00:11:33
pretty well. He's putting up 300 yards.00:11:34
I want to do the same thing has created00:11:36
>> feel it with the contract,00:11:37
>> right? And the pressure of the contract00:11:39
has created a scenario where00:11:41
>> that was00:11:42
>> he he and Bryce were having a mid off00:11:46
yesterday and that's that is00:11:48
complimentary.00:11:49
>> Yeah. Yes.00:11:50
>> Uh 22 for 24 under 10 yards, one for00:11:53
eight, three interceptions00:11:55
>> and it could have been five. There were00:11:57
two other in the first half there were00:11:59
two that were Aman almost passed. was00:12:01
just in a zone of throwing.00:12:04
>> All right, let's head to Baltimore. Say00:12:06
it ain't toe. Joe Burrow returning from00:12:09
his toe injury. Lamar on the injury00:12:11
report yesterday with a toe. Now, the00:12:13
good news is that he practiced today.00:12:16
John Harbaugh was asked if he thinks00:12:18
injuries [music] are affecting his quarterback. Here's00:12:20
the injury report this season. Toe week00:12:23
before, ankle week 11, knee, and then he00:12:26
missed the games with the hamstring.00:12:27
>> On the bright side, it's moving south00:12:29
and after the toe, nowhere to go. So,00:12:31
[laughter] it's just slowly escaping00:12:33
>> up then up the other leg. Uh, how00:12:36
concerning is this, bro?00:12:37
>> I think it's concerning because I feel00:12:40
like00:12:42
injuries or being banged up to some00:12:44
degree is really the only explanation00:12:48
for how he's been playing. Like you can00:12:50
have a bad game, even two, you might not00:12:53
be quite at your peak, but this is the00:12:55
first time in his eight-year career he's00:12:58
been under 200 yards passing and 60%00:13:02
completions in three straight games. And00:13:04
we saw, I think we have a graphic, his00:13:06
first five games, he was lighting the00:13:09
league on fire. And even when they were00:13:11
losing, it wasn't because of the00:13:13
offense. And you see 15 touchdowns, two00:13:16
136 passer rating, which is out of this00:13:19
world for multiple games. And then the00:13:21
last three 71 passer rating, one00:13:24
touchdown since he's been back, [music]00:13:26
two picks. And it's concerning because00:13:30
this offense, while it might it can win00:13:32
the AFC North, like with this offense00:13:35
playing this way, they can't get to the00:13:36
Super Bowl. No.00:13:37
>> Even if the Chiefs are out, to be00:13:38
honest. Correct. And that would be a00:13:40
tragedy because for Lamar or Josh not to00:13:44
reach the Super Bowl in a year the00:13:46
Chiefs are either down or out, whatever00:13:49
it might be.00:13:50
>> Now, I do believe he can get it going00:13:55
and I I I feel confident that he'll play00:13:58
better, but if it is injuries, you just00:14:01
might not be able to at that point. So,00:14:03
he alluded to it after the game.00:14:05
somebody asked him about his health and00:14:08
and he said, "I can't call it, but since00:14:10
I'm out there, I got to I should be00:14:12
playing better."00:14:13
>> So, he kind of, you know, he didn't00:14:15
kill. No, I'm fine.00:14:16
>> And so, I do think something's it's00:14:19
affecting his running, his escapability,00:14:22
and uh he's he's hasn't been the same.00:14:24
No question.00:14:25
>> All right. I don't want this to be00:14:26
misconstrued, so I'm gonna try to be00:14:28
very deliberate with what I say here00:14:30
because I think Lamar, remember I did a00:14:32
couple years ago, maybe a year ago, the00:14:34
alltime Mahomes Mountain, and I had00:14:36
Lamar somewhere in the 15 greatest00:14:38
quarterbacks ever.00:14:39
>> Um, and there obviously have been00:14:43
quarterbacks that are dynamic with their00:14:44
legs that are just not good passers,00:14:47
>> right?00:14:48
>> And that is not who Lamar is.00:14:51
With that said,00:14:54
I have thought for the last few years00:14:58
that the biggest Lamar fans in the00:15:02
analytics community and in the a lot of00:15:05
writers to be totally honest that talk00:15:07
about him as a passer00:15:10
are00:15:12
watching a different player than me00:15:14
because they talk about how elite he is00:15:17
within the pocket. And that's true and00:15:18
how precise he is. And that's somewhat00:15:21
true. And they talk about it as if it is00:15:24
divorced from his running. And I have00:15:26
never felt that way. I have felt that00:15:28
what has made Lamar so special is that00:15:30
because he is such a dynamic runner. He00:15:34
you almost have to defend that first,00:15:36
which then has cleared the picture in00:15:39
passing and he has improved in the00:15:41
passing from okay when he first came00:15:44
into the league to pretty good. And that00:15:46
made him have 40 touchdowns, four picks,00:15:49
all of these things. Last few years been00:15:51
the last few years numbers been00:15:52
unbelievable.00:15:54
>> He doesn't run anymore.00:15:56
>> Mhm.00:15:57
>> And teams I think are realizing it00:16:00
>> and for the first time I believe he is00:16:04
being defended00:16:06
like a mostly traditional quarterback00:16:09
and I think he's struggling with it. So00:16:12
I think that00:16:13
>> So you think the injuries are affecting00:16:14
his running? I think either I think I00:16:17
think he was already pairing back on the00:16:19
run and now the the pairing back plus00:16:21
the injuries make it to where he's not00:16:24
really a threat to run00:16:26
>> and if Lamar if you had if this sounds00:16:29
ridiculous but if they passed a rule00:16:30
like flag football or whatever like you00:16:32
can't run as a quarterback I don't00:16:34
believe Lamar would have these goaudy00:16:36
passing numbers. I don't think he'd be00:16:38
terrible. I think he'd be out of the00:16:39
league but I think he'd be just fine.00:16:41
And so now it appears to me teams are00:16:46
less afraid of him as a runner. They are00:16:48
more defending him as a passer and he is00:16:51
even though he's in year eight seeing00:16:53
things he's not usually seen seeing00:16:56
coverages and seeing those things and00:16:58
you're seeing it show up in the numbers.00:17:00
I don't that is not a sweeping00:17:02
indictment on him as a player because00:17:03
you get credit for your legs and you get00:17:06
credit for what >> right as as a quarterback. It's all like00:17:09
your ranking00:17:10
>> including his00:17:11
>> including everything and how you force00:17:13
teams to guard you.00:17:14
>> But I I give that long explanation to00:17:17
then say this. This is super concerning00:17:20
if he can't put on film in short order.00:17:25
I will bust I I'll go 11 for 120 like I00:17:28
used to do a couple times a year because00:17:31
teams weren't respecting it. I will beat00:17:33
you that way because if he doesn't do00:17:36
that, I think teams will treat him more00:17:39
like a traditional quarterback and I00:17:42
think that's going to be tough. And not00:17:44
just because of whatever his limitations00:17:45
are or aren't,00:17:46
>> but they also I don't think, you know,00:17:48
I've never been a huge Z Flowers guy.00:17:50
They don't have great exact receivers00:17:52
that's just like, all right, we're going00:17:53
to line up and beat you that way. So, I00:17:55
think this is greatly concerning.00:17:57
>> They're00:17:59
not fully, but it you could compare00:18:02
them. Their receivers are better than00:18:03
Buffalo's.00:18:04
>> Yes. >> But they have the tight ends like00:18:06
Buffalo had when they're healthy. Now,00:18:08
obviously, both got great running backs,00:18:10
too.00:18:11
>> But I think his lack of running is is00:18:13
affecting Derrick Henry, too.00:18:14
>> I do think Henry's aged a bit and00:18:16
doesn't have the same, but if you don't00:18:18
have to worry, Last year, you had to00:18:20
worry about Lamar running, Lamar00:18:21
throwing, and Derek Henry. Now, it's not00:18:24
the case. So,00:18:26
>> that might not be out of the question.00:18:27
>> Sacked 24 times this year and missed the00:18:30
games. last year just 23 times.00:18:32
>> Right. In eight games, he's been sacked00:18:34
more than last year.00:18:35
>> Uh let's look ahead to Thanksgiving00:18:37
afternoon. Chiefs in Dallas. I'm on the00:18:39
couch00:18:40
>> trying to stay awake. Get that trip to00:18:42
fan. I'm going to be on the West Coast.00:18:44
This is a 1:30 West Coast, which means00:18:47
there's no way for it not to conflict00:18:48
with the meal. It's going to Listen,00:18:50
I'll be holding my granddaughter, but my00:18:52
wife's going to be super pissed.00:18:53
>> Yeah. [laughter]00:18:54
>> Uh Cowboys currently at 13% to make the00:18:57
playoffs. Chiefs at 61%.00:18:59
>> [music] >> Nick, are you surprised the Chiefs are00:19:01
favored in this game?00:19:02
>> I'm not. I know you are. Uh, and here's00:19:05
why I'm not.00:19:08
The Chiefs offense has been hit or miss,00:19:13
I think, is fair. And even in that, not00:19:14
even in, maybe especially in that Colts00:19:17
game where they moved the ball at will,00:19:20
but they had a turnover inside their own00:19:22
five and inside the other team's five.00:19:25
They weren't good in the red zone. And00:19:27
I, you know, I think that was I thought00:19:29
Patrick was brilliant when he absolutely00:19:32
had to be, but was mediocre in the first00:19:35
three quarters and that was after two00:19:37
bad performances. The pick was bad.00:19:40
>> Um,00:19:42
>> but they have carved up bad pass00:19:44
defenses.00:19:45
>> They score about 30 a game. Patrick is00:19:47
really good and we can show the one loss00:19:49
they have against the bad pass defense00:19:50
is the Jacksonville loss where they00:19:52
would have should have scored 38. They00:19:54
scored 28. And so, um, the the touchdown00:19:58
interception ratio is not as good as you00:20:01
would like and it's a lot they have a00:20:02
lot of Kareem Hunt one-yard touchdown00:20:04
runs in there, but they're scoring 28 a00:20:07
game. And that's with taking the foot00:20:09
off the gas in some of these fourth00:20:11
quarters. I respect Quinn Williams a ton00:20:15
and what he has added to the Cowboys00:20:17
defense. And I think that, and you can00:20:19
say, well, the Bills don't have a good00:20:20
defense. the Bills don't have a good run00:20:22
defense and the Chiefs didn't even try00:20:24
or maybe couldn't take advantage of it.00:20:27
I don't trust the Cowboys back end and00:20:29
the Cowboys themselves have been like we00:20:31
had to we built a team to stop the run.00:20:33
Okay. And so I just think that while I00:20:37
think the Cowboys when they have the00:20:39
ball can do real damage, I think Patrick00:20:42
against this pass defense presents a ton00:20:44
of problems for Dallas. And I think00:20:46
that's why Kansas City's favored. I also00:20:47
think look backs both teams backs are00:20:50
against the wall must win literal must00:20:53
win for both who you taking in this00:20:56
Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid or Brian00:20:58
Shodenheimer and Dak Prescott like when00:21:01
if Dak and and Dak is having a00:21:02
phenomenal He's having a much better00:21:04
year than Patrick or better year than00:21:06
Patrick for sure00:21:07
>> but his history is not that he goes00:21:11
crazy and delivers in big games. I'm not00:21:13
saying he hasn't ever done it, but we00:21:15
know his playoff record, two and five, I00:21:17
think.00:21:18
>> And Momes, I mean, that's his legacy,00:21:21
delivering in big games, big moments.00:21:23
>> So, I just think with that, the the00:21:26
Cowboys haven't won three straight games00:21:28
since November of 2023, you know. So, I00:21:32
just feel like we saw it a week ago, not00:21:35
even, but last weekend, where the Chiefs00:21:38
absolutely had to deliver and they beat00:21:40
one of the top teams in the AFC. At the00:21:43
time they played the Ravens, that was00:21:45
viewed as a huge game. The Chiefs have00:21:47
one of their best performances. Same00:21:49
thing, you know, against Detroit. That's00:21:51
a big game. Now, I know they lost to00:21:53
Buffalo, which they always do, but they00:21:55
lost to Philly.00:21:57
>> The big game they didn't step up in was00:21:58
Denver. That's the, you know, that's the00:22:00
big game.00:22:01
>> Philly, they played well, they lost, I00:22:02
mean, Denver, they were close, too. But00:22:04
>> I just think that they you in a close00:22:08
must-win game for both teams, you got to00:22:10
take the Chief.00:22:11
>> If it's a shootout, do you think the00:22:12
Chiefs win it?00:22:15
>> I think they can. I mean, Mahomes I just00:22:18
think is cap until I really until they00:22:22
are buried. It's hard. You can't write00:22:24
them off.00:22:25
>> I agree. But you like Dallas. I like00:22:27
Dallas and it's a a little bit of vibes,00:22:29
a little bit of I think it's going to be00:22:31
a high-scoring game and I just really00:22:32
trust Dallas to deliver. George Pickkins00:22:34
has 144 and 146 the last two games. The00:22:38
Chiefs are a little bit better than 500.00:22:41
They're 1 and4 on the road. I think this00:22:43
Thanksgiving game in Dallas, Cowboys are00:22:45
going to be fired up. The Thursday night00:22:47
game on the road, 11 Thursday night00:22:49
games, not count. I took out uh00:22:51
>> Thursday games.00:22:52
>> Thursday games. I took out Eagles uh00:22:55
>> Chiefs. Yeah, >> Eagles Cowboys for the opener.00:22:58
>> Home team is 8 and3. The three losses,00:23:01
the Ravens beat the Dolphins in Miami.00:23:02
So, it's like the Ravens are the better00:23:04
team. 49ers beat the Rams. It's00:23:06
basically a home game for the 49ers. And00:23:08
the Seahawks beat the overmatched00:23:09
Cardinals. When it's close, I feel like00:23:12
to the home team, including Eagles00:23:14
Giants. I just feel like the Giants00:23:17
should not have beaten the Eagles. They00:23:18
did.00:23:19
>> So, so here's two things. One is I you00:23:23
say when it's close you give it to the00:23:25
home team.00:23:26
>> I don't think this is I know the records00:23:29
are close. The Chiefs are one of four00:23:31
teams in the league that are top 1000:23:33
scoring offense scoring defense yardage00:23:35
offense yardage defense. The Cowboys are00:23:38
number 31 defense. Now it's different00:23:40
since Quinn Williams but one player does00:23:42
not and I understand they got overshawn00:23:44
back as well. that is. So I when we talk00:23:47
about close your eyes and do the00:23:49
Lombardi test or whatever, can you see a00:23:51
team winning the Super Bowl? The Chiefs00:23:53
are on that list. The Cowboys are not.00:23:55
And so that in that regard, they're not00:23:57
close. Here's the other thing00:23:59
>> that I truly believe matters in this00:24:01
spot. Both of these teams00:24:05
>> just had huge comeback at home season00:24:09
saving victories, right? They then play00:24:12
four days later in what should be the00:24:15
most watched football game that is in00:24:16
the playoffs ever.00:24:18
>> Which team do we expect to have the00:24:20
maturity and experience to handle that00:24:23
moment Sunday and be ready to play00:24:25
Thursday? I will take the team that has00:24:28
played in 20 games bigger than this over00:24:30
the team that two weeks ago had guys00:24:33
partying at a casino 12 hours before 1800:24:35
hours before a game allegedly, but they00:24:37
can handle their liquor. And I uh um so00:24:40
I just think the Cowboys are more even00:24:43
though the Chiefs have not been00:24:44
consistent in any regard this year. I00:24:46
trust them in a big spot to know how to00:24:49
get ready on a short week.00:24:50
>> The Cowboys are Dallas right now.00:24:52
>> It's a special episode of must-win. Nick00:24:55
Wright going for the unprecedented four00:24:59
Pete. Unbelievable. We're starting00:25:02
judging >> with Packers in Detroit. This one starts00:25:06
at 11:00 a.m. Eastern on Fox. Just00:25:08
putting out the shrimp cocktail in the00:25:10
Wilds [music] family. Dan Campbell just00:25:11
one win in four Thanksgiving games.00:25:13
Remember last year got close that Bears00:25:16
game. Nick, we'll start with you since00:25:19
you're the reigning champion. You can00:25:20
pass or play.00:25:21
>> Thank you.00:25:22
>> Obviously. Who is this a must-win for?00:25:25
>> I'm going to pass to coach.00:25:28
>> Wow.00:25:29
>> To go second.00:25:30
>> I can pass wherever I want. Wow. Another00:25:34
new twist of the must-win game.00:25:35
[laughter] I'm going This is absolutely00:25:37
a must-win for the Lions. They haven't00:25:39
won two in a row now in six weeks.00:25:42
They've struggled against Philly to00:25:44
score. And this is after we make the big00:25:48
pronunci or the big the big uh00:25:50
announcement that we're going to change00:25:51
coordinators. The head coach is going to00:25:52
call plays. They light it up against00:25:54
Washington and [music] then they cut00:25:56
fall back down to earth. So, they00:25:57
struggled there. They struggled against00:25:58
the Giants. They lost to Green Bay at00:26:00
the start of the season. didn't score00:26:02
very many points there either. They're00:26:03
4-1 at home. They're currently eight in00:26:05
the playoffs. Obviously a must win for00:26:08
them. >> It's obviously not a must-win for the00:26:11
Lions. It is however a must-win for the00:26:14
brain trust [music] of the Green Bay00:26:16
Packers. story that we discussed three00:26:19
weeks ago and then thanks to a couple00:26:22
unimpressive wins against unimpressive00:26:25
teams, it's gone by the wayside which is00:26:27
wait are Matt Laflur and Brian Gutenkun00:26:31
on the hot seat.00:26:33
No, it contract extensions, the Super00:26:36
Bowl or bust expectations, the trade for00:26:39
everybody's all-American Micah Parsons.00:26:41
If they lose this game, week one feel,00:26:44
which is the high watermark of their00:26:46
season, feels like even more of an00:26:48
aberration, they then fall to that00:26:50
dreaded eight seed trying to just sneak00:26:54
their way into the postseason. [music]00:26:56
And if this Packers team misses the00:26:58
playoffs, all the local reporting seems00:27:01
to imply, if not outright, say, Matt00:27:03
Laflur might not be back next year. So,00:27:05
it's a must-win for Matt Laflur and his00:27:08
boss Brian Guten.00:27:09
>> Wow.00:27:10
>> Wow. What a start.00:27:11
>> If you had followed my advice and00:27:13
checked my IMDb page in between the00:27:16
break,00:27:17
>> you would have seen a lot of the00:27:18
characters I played are rebels.00:27:21
>> Can't be controlled, can't be tamed. So00:27:24
in that spirit,00:27:26
>> double must win.00:27:28
>> WE BANNED DOUBLE.00:27:29
>> DOUBLE MUST WIN00:27:30
>> right out of the gate.00:27:31
>> For the Lions, they need their swagger00:27:34
back. There one Dan Campbell brought00:27:39
swagger. THAT'S BEEN THE WHOLE THING.00:27:42
WE'RE the measly Lions. No, WE'RE NO00:27:44
GOOD. WE'RE TERRIBLE. MATTHEW STAFFORD,00:27:47
CALVIN JOHNSON, AND DOMIN. BARRY SANDERS00:27:50
couldn't win here. He brought swagger,00:27:53
but that swagger is gone. Did it walk00:27:55
out of the door with Ben Johnson? You00:27:58
scored nine points against the Eagles00:28:01
and you barely beat Jamus Win. YOUR00:28:04
LINEBACKER GOT RUN OVER BY JAMEUS00:28:07
WIZARD. They need their swagger back.00:28:09
And for the Packers,00:28:12
JLo has to be J. Oh,00:28:17
because nobody believes in him. They00:28:19
think he's the reason they won't get to00:28:20
the Super Bowl. Double must win.00:28:22
>> I was trying to introduce scarcity00:28:23
[music] back into must win. I said no00:28:25
double must wins. I was proven wrong00:28:28
>> right away. Brew with the victory right00:28:30
out of the gate. Unbelievable.00:28:33
>> Unbelievable. >> You know what, Brew? You earned it. I'm00:28:34
[laughter] proud of you.00:28:36
>> Bears in Philadelphia. Caleb versus00:28:38
Jaylen, a brilliant offensive play00:28:41
caller who hates the tush push versus00:28:43
Kevin Patulo.00:28:45
>> Strength of schedule not close, but the00:28:47
records are both teams eight and three.00:28:50
points.00:28:52
The nod goes to Chicago. Defense nod00:28:55
goes to the Eagles. Turnovers00:28:57
differential. [music]00:28:58
The Bears are feasting now. That's why00:28:59
they're okay.00:29:01
>> 26 points a game is pretty good.00:29:03
>> 16 turnovers. Too many.00:29:05
>> Uh turnover. It's just00:29:07
>> Yeah, it seems not sustainable, but with00:29:09
Chicago peanut punch that team that made00:29:11
all the way super00:29:12
>> starting your section.00:29:13
>> No. [laughter]00:29:15
Helping out.00:29:16
>> Oh, I'm sorry. We're going clockwise.00:29:18
I'm sorry. It's going clockwise. I got00:29:20
lost. I apologize. It is Nick. He leads00:29:22
[music] off.00:29:23
>> I get this thing. >> Listen control.00:29:25
>> The easy answer and the answer I assume00:29:28
>> one of them are going to go with is00:29:29
something about [music] the Eagles00:29:30
having to get the offense back on track.00:29:32
AJ Brown, Nick Serriani, Tul Eminem or00:29:35
>> the00:29:37
>> the real answer00:29:39
and why do you know this is this is a00:29:42
must-win00:29:44
first and foremost [music] for Ben00:29:46
Johnson who this off season mocked did00:29:50
everything but walk up the Rocky steps00:29:53
and spit on him.00:29:54
>> That's true.00:29:55
>> Take a hammer to the Liberty Bell. Put00:29:57
another crack in it.00:29:58
>> Another hammer. >> Yeah. Another Exactly. when he said, "I00:30:01
like explosive plays." Much less we did00:30:04
see just this past weekend, I don't know00:30:06
who tweeted it. Someone very [music]00:30:07
smart, likely handsome, tweeted it, an00:30:10
explosive play from the tush push when00:30:13
the Pittsburgh Steelers turned it into a00:30:16
50-yard play against the Chicago Bears.00:30:19
Ben Johnson's locker room postgame00:30:22
[music] speeches,00:30:24
they border between corny or mo00:30:27
inspirational.00:30:29
You've got to beat Nick Serriani and the00:30:32
Philadelphia Eagles who you who you00:30:35
what's the word baited this off season00:30:38
into running even more tush pushes00:30:40
against you. It's a must win for Ben00:30:42
Johnson and his boy genius reputation.00:30:45
>> Wow.00:30:46
>> Well, it is a mustwin for the Bears, but00:30:49
not for those reasons.00:30:52
>> It's a must win, but who are they? Like00:30:54
one of the mantras of this show is not00:30:57
the standings.00:30:59
>> Eight and three. Okay, that's nice. So00:31:02
what? Who have you beaten? You beat one00:31:05
team with a winning record, Pittsburgh.00:31:07
And that was with the backup00:31:08
quarterback, Mason [music] Rudolph. Can00:31:11
you beat Last time you played a team00:31:14
with a winning record, they beat you00:31:17
with Tyler Huntley and beat you badly.00:31:20
And the time BEFORE THAT YOU PLAYED A00:31:22
TEAM WITH THE WINNING RECORD, they beat00:31:23
you by 31. So you can beat up on the00:31:27
little chunk change in the league. But00:31:29
how do you stack up against playoff00:31:32
teams? Cuz that's where you trying to00:31:34
get. And four of their last five games00:31:36
after this one are against teams with00:31:39
winning records. [music] So they got to00:31:40
prove to themselves, not just us,00:31:42
themselves that they are a legitimate00:31:45
team.00:31:46
>> Excellent.00:31:48
I really liked yours. Thank you. I think00:31:50
I think yours was excellent and I agree00:31:52
with you. I think this is obviously a00:31:54
must-win for for the Bears and and it's00:31:57
it's for the reason that that you talked00:31:59
about. [music] They've won eight out of00:32:00
nine. They've won four in a row, but00:32:02
they haven't beaten anybody that's had00:32:04
any sort of signi [music] significance.00:32:06
And if you want to be taken serious, you00:32:08
got to beat someone who is serious. And00:32:10
this will be their first opportunity to00:32:11
do that. And at this point [music] with00:32:14
Caleb, it's up and down. It's it's it's00:32:17
is he has he turned the corner? Has he00:32:18
not turned the corner? Nobody knows. And00:32:21
and until he shows and can prove that he00:32:23
can play with the legitimate contenders00:32:25
in the league, we're just stuck where we00:32:27
are. >> We were looking for must win for the00:32:29
Eagles. No points awarded.00:32:32
>> What? What?00:32:33
>> I'm sorry. >> I would have given it to Brew. I thought00:32:35
>> Thank you, coach.00:32:36
>> Coach is just trying to prevent the00:32:38
dynasty.00:32:39
>> This is the bonus round.00:32:41
>> And who gets to go last on this one?00:32:42
>> You are running the anchor leg on this00:32:44
one. Brew first.00:32:46
>> Drew goes first.00:32:48
>> Burrow's back and looking for a win00:32:50
against Lamar. Hard to come by. Lamar00:32:53
has owned this particular matchup. Six00:32:55
wins to one. More yards, touchdowns,00:32:58
turnovers.00:33:00
Joe Burrow's got twice as many. Passer00:33:02
rating about the same, but the nod goes00:33:04
to [music] Lamar. This is your guy. Who00:33:06
is this a must-win for?00:33:07
>> This is a Lamar must cook. We must see00:33:11
old Lamar. They've won five straight and00:33:14
nobody's been that [music] impressed00:33:15
with the offense. We're worried about00:33:17
the offense, right? Lamar is 10-100:33:20
against the Bengals. 6-1 you had against00:33:22
Burl. 10-1 against the Bengals. He has00:33:25
owned them and they need to blow them00:33:28
out. This is the worst defense in the00:33:30
league in every way. Total defense,00:33:32
scoring defense. They giving up 3300:33:35
points a game. The Ravens not only need00:33:37
to win, but they need to win00:33:40
impressively, particularly00:33:43
if they want to see the robe anytime00:33:45
soon.00:33:47
Just throwing that out there. That was00:33:49
nice. [laughter] So, this is this is00:33:52
obviously a must-win for the Bengals00:33:54
currently. I went and looked at it.00:33:56
They've got less than 1% chance of00:33:58
making the playoffs, but here's the00:33:59
reality. If they win out, then they have00:34:01
a 46% chance of winning the playoffs.00:34:03
They've won five games last year, so00:34:05
there's [music] precedent here. And they00:34:07
lost to Baltimore last year 4138 in00:34:10
overtime and then 3534. [music]00:34:12
So they were high-scoring games. So00:34:14
they've shown that they can still be00:34:15
high-scoring, but Baltimore hasn't00:34:17
[music] shown the same thing since his00:34:19
offense offense remains explosive even00:34:21
with Flacco. This is a Jamar Chase uh00:34:25
redemption game. So you've got that00:34:27
going. And then there's [music] also the00:34:29
element of you're risking your future by00:34:31
bringing Joe Burrow back. So, you need00:34:33
to make that count. And I'd say the last00:34:35
thing is you can't win all five unless00:34:37
you win this first one. And let me just00:34:39
go to another stat here that I want to00:34:41
bring up because talking [music] about00:34:42
1%. So, just take a look at this. So,00:34:45
here's the must-win right now. It's nine00:34:47
to three for co nine wins to three wins00:34:50
for coach and Greg. But look over here00:34:52
at Upset Alert, the extensive lead that00:34:55
we have. So, I'm not saying there's a00:34:57
conspiracy, but since we have that lead00:34:59
and Wilds is the judge, there may be a00:35:02
little must-win bias. So, similar to my00:35:05
1% chance for the Cincinnati Bengals,00:35:07
that's similar to the chance that Greg00:35:09
and I have on a weekly basis, which I00:35:10
just thought we should all be aware of.00:35:12
>> Wow.00:35:13
>> Coach feels like a little bit of a low00:35:15
blow, but [laughter]00:35:16
not >> it did feel that way. Uh I wouldn't00:35:19
impugn the integrity of the joke. not00:35:21
impunity.00:35:22
>> And I this is I'm just attempting to be,00:35:26
you know, nimble on my feet. And coach,00:35:30
what do [music] you say about00:35:33
playing a game the way it's being00:35:34
officiated, doing business as business00:35:36
being done?00:35:37
>> Mhm. >> Now that I know we're a little loose on00:35:41
the regulations, I'm going to give you00:35:43
my real answer. This is more so than any00:35:46
of the other games and obvious to00:35:48
everyone. a double must win for the00:35:51
Bengals. This is the only hope00:35:55
>> that they have to coach's point of00:35:56
saving their season and for Jamar Chase00:36:00
to save a bit of his reputation after a00:36:02
very nice long apology note. But we all00:36:05
feel they could have given the Patriots00:36:06
more of a scare had he been there and he00:36:08
watches T. Higgins get knocked out of00:36:10
the game. And does Zack Taylor survive00:36:13
three straight seasons of missing the00:36:15
playoffs? For the Ravens on the other00:36:17
hand, we've been talking for a month00:36:19
that get Lamar back, beat the cupcakes,00:36:23
be six and five going into this game.00:36:26
Now all of a sudden, this game it's not00:36:28
a cupcake because you are facing Joe00:36:30
Burrow. If you lose for to Joe Burrow00:36:33
and the Bengals in their first game00:36:34
back, you give them life to make the00:36:36
postseason. You squander your two days00:36:39
of a lead in the AFC North and we start00:36:41
wondering, oh, could it possibly be that00:36:44
removing Papa Shot didn't fix a00:36:46
professional football team? But either00:36:49
team that loses is in a bit of crisis.00:36:52
That is the definitional double must00:36:54
win. Unbelievable.00:36:55
>> Ride my coat today.00:36:56
>> Exactly. Because you started double must00:36:58
win earlier. And I specifically wrote in00:37:00
the document,00:37:02
>> there will be no double must wins. We00:37:04
are reintroducing scarcity. [music]00:37:06
And in three questions, we got two of00:37:08
them. COACH TAKES IT. [laughter]00:37:10
COACH WINS ON THE TECHNICALITY.00:37:13
CONGRATULATIONS, [laughter] COACH. Your00:37:15
first must win in ages.00:37:17
>> Wow. Unbelievable.00:37:19
>> Dynasty's over.00:37:21
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Brock Purdy threw 3 INTs against the Carolina Panthers, but the San Francisco 49ers won 20-9 despite the poor performance. Nick Wright, Chris Broussard, and Kevin Wildes ask if the 49ers should be worried about Purdy, and if the Kansas City Chiefs deserve to be favorites against the Dallas Cowboys. Plus, they list their games that are Must-Win entering Week 13, including the Detroit Lions vs. the Green Bay Packers, Baltimore Ravens vs. Cincinnati Bengals, and Chicago Bears vs. Philadelphia Eagles. Download the FOX Sports App: https://www.foxsports.com/?af_sub2=dcg&pid=social&af_channel=social&c=FSsocial-revamp&af_sub1=FSsocial-revamp&af_prt= ► First Things First’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@FirstThingsFirst ► "Outta Pocket w/RGIII" YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@OuttaPocketRG3 About First Things First: Nick Wright, Chris Broussard, and Kevin Wildes team up on First Things First. The trio offers their take on a bevy of sports stories alongside special guests from across the sports world. Brou QUAKING after Brock Purdy’s poor game, Do the Chiefs deserve to be favorites vs. Cowboys? | FTF www.youtube.com/@FirstThingsFirst
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