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In the midst of this latest Bitcoin00:00:01
correction, the entire conversation has00:00:03
collapsed into noise. Four-year cycles,00:00:06
chart patterns, manipulation theories,00:00:08
institutional flows, who's selling,00:00:10
who's waiting to buy lower. And look,00:00:12
Bitcoin is a market. These conversations00:00:14
matter. But when this is all we talk00:00:15
about, it's usually a sign we've lost00:00:17
sight of why Bitcoin exists in the first00:00:19
place. Because Bitcoin wasn't created to00:00:21
outperform a chart pattern. It wasn't00:00:23
designed to win a cycle trade. And it00:00:25
definitely wasn't meant to be just00:00:26
another way to grow your fiat net worth.00:00:28
Bitcoin was created in response to00:00:30
something far deeper, something00:00:31
civilizational. So today, we're going to00:00:33
rewind the story back before ETFs,00:00:36
before institutions, before crypto, back00:00:38
to the moment money itself broke and00:00:40
what that break did to humanity. Because00:00:42
once you look more deeply at what broken00:00:44
money did to civilization, you'll never00:00:46
look at Bitcoin the same way again.00:00:51
Welcome to No Second Best, the show00:00:54
where conviction meets reality, and00:00:56
reality points straight to Bitcoin. I'm00:00:58
your host, Hurley. Now, let's get into00:01:00
it. One of the voices that shaped my00:01:01
understanding of Bitcoin more than00:01:03
almost anyone else is Safetina Moose.00:01:05
His first book, The Bitcoin Standard,00:01:08
was a genuine light bulb moment for me,00:01:10
especially the chapters on World War I,00:01:12
fiat money, and how modern wars became00:01:14
possible once governments learned how to00:01:16
print instead of ask permission. Since00:01:19
then, Seedine has gone even deeper. the00:01:21
fiat standard, principles of economics,00:01:23
and now his latest book, The Gold00:01:24
Standard, which imagines an alternative00:01:26
history where money never broke in the00:01:28
first place. Recently, Safedine sat down00:01:30
with Danny Nolles of What Bitcoin Did,00:01:32
one of the best Bitcoin podcasts in the00:01:34
space. And it was one of those00:01:35
interviews that pulls you out of the00:01:37
price charts and back to first00:01:38
principles. Not Bitcoin as a trade, not00:01:41
Bitcoin as a cycle, but Bitcoin is a00:01:43
response to a civilizational failure.00:01:45
And it starts with a misunderstanding00:01:47
almost everyone still has. Most people00:01:49
think fiat money began in 1971 when00:01:52
Nixon closed the gold window. That's00:01:53
when the dollar officially severed its00:01:55
last link to gold, but that's not00:01:57
actually where the story began. The real00:01:59
break happened more than half a century00:02:00
earlier in 1914.00:02:02
>> And most people think of 1971, which you00:02:05
know is the point at which the last link00:02:08
was severed with the gold standard. So00:02:10
you could make a case for it being 197100:02:12
because up until 1971, the US dollar was00:02:16
to some extent redeemable in gold.00:02:18
central banks could redeem their dollars00:02:19
for gold, but normal people could not.00:02:21
But that process really started in 191400:02:24
with World War I. And I discussed this00:02:26
in detail in the fiat standard and then00:02:28
I discuss it again in detail in the gold00:02:30
standard. I think it's an enormously00:02:31
important story that very few people00:02:33
know about because it was only revealed00:02:35
in 2017, which is really incredible. The00:02:38
war started in 1914, and the way that00:02:41
Britain got into the war had always been00:02:43
shrouded in mystery. And there was00:02:45
always debate in Britain about why we00:02:47
got into the war and uh should we have00:02:49
gotten into the war. But the people that00:02:52
had argued we shouldn't have gotten into00:02:54
the war, their position, I would say,00:02:55
has just continued to get stronger and00:02:57
stronger over time because over time it00:02:58
just became clear that there was no00:03:00
reason for Britain to get into the war.00:03:02
And then in 2017, the Financial Times00:03:05
actually it was a bunch of people at the00:03:06
Bank of England who dug in the basement00:03:08
and found this old report and then they00:03:11
read the report and then they published00:03:13
it in 2017. 103 years after the events00:03:17
happened in 1914. And in that report, it00:03:20
was revealed that the reason that00:03:21
Britain got into the war was they the00:03:26
Treasury sold a bond auction. They made00:03:28
a bond auction to fund going into the00:03:30
war and they offered interesting they00:03:32
offered a good interest rate. Interest00:03:34
rates at that time were around 2 and a00:03:35
half% but this was I think around 4%.00:03:38
And they thought they would sell it.00:03:39
Britain was the richest country in the00:03:41
world and people liked their country and00:03:44
country is at war. So they're clearly00:03:46
going to be selling the bonds. They00:03:47
didn't. They sold less than a third of00:03:49
the bonds. People didn't buy them. I00:03:51
think this is to the eternal credit of00:03:54
the British people that they didn't buy00:03:55
that. And I it's really a point of00:03:57
pride. >> Was that the first case of printing00:03:59
money to fill that gap? I'm sure it has00:04:01
happened before in the past, but I think00:04:03
this was really the birth of the fiat00:04:05
standard because it institutionalized00:04:07
and standardized the way that this00:04:09
operated wherein the central bank lends00:04:12
to the government and the government00:04:14
enforces the banks monopoly on money00:04:17
which makes sure that the banks don't00:04:19
get rugged and the government doesn't00:04:21
get rugged. So they what they did was00:04:24
they got twothirds of the bonds to be00:04:26
purchased by two guys two guys who00:04:29
worked at the Bank of England who got a00:04:30
credit line from the Bank of England and00:04:32
they just went and bought 2/3 of the00:04:35
bond auction for the war which is00:04:37
incredible. There was just two guys who00:04:38
funded Britain's entry into World War I00:04:40
which is what destroyed human00:04:41
civilization arguably.00:04:43
>> As Safedine lays out, Britain didn't00:04:46
vote for fiat money. The public didn't00:04:48
choose inflation. They were dragged into00:04:50
it through war financing. The government00:04:52
tried to fund World War I honestly and00:04:54
how they always have throughout history00:04:55
through war bonds. But the public said00:04:58
no. So the central bank stepped in.00:05:00
Credit was created. The war was financed00:05:02
anyway. And in that moment, a dangerous00:05:05
precedent was set. If the public won't00:05:07
fund the war, the money will be created00:05:09
without them. That mechanism, central00:05:11
banks monetizing government debt, never00:05:14
went away, and it became the template.00:05:16
World War I is usually taught as the00:05:18
catastrophe that set the stage for World00:05:20
War II. through debt, reparations, and00:05:22
economic collapse in Germany. That part00:05:24
of the story is widely understood.00:05:26
What's far less understood is why that00:05:28
chain reaction never actually ended.00:05:30
Safedian's argument isn't just that00:05:32
World War II followed World War I. It's00:05:34
that both wars were symptoms of the same00:05:36
monetary break. Once governments learned00:05:38
that they could finance conflict through00:05:40
inflation instead of consent, war00:05:42
stopped being an emergency and became a00:05:44
policy tool. And that monetary chain00:05:46
reaction didn't end in 1918 or even in00:05:49
1945. It's been compounding ever since.00:05:52
>> You look at the economic problems of the00:05:53
1920s and 30s. They were all a00:05:56
consequence of the inflation of World00:05:58
War I. It's not taught that way because00:06:00
we live in a world where everything is00:06:02
inflation propaganda.00:06:04
But it was all the ramifications of the00:06:08
inflation of World War I. That's what00:06:10
led to the problems of the 1920s in the00:06:12
US and Europe. And that's what led to00:06:14
more inflation to try to fix those00:06:16
problems which eventually led to the00:06:17
Great Depression which led to World War00:06:20
II. And World War II of course is a huge00:06:22
part of this. But even just beyond World00:06:24
War II, we went into this world where00:06:26
governments are always able to finance00:06:28
themselves because they just have this00:06:30
fiat system where everybody has to use00:06:33
the government's money. Everybody has to00:06:35
use the government's banks and then the00:06:37
government prints more money and then00:06:39
you're stuck. And so you're constantly00:06:40
witnessing your wealth devalued. So00:06:42
people have no ability to save and00:06:44
governments have no restraints on their00:06:46
spending. And that's the 20th century00:06:48
and that's in my opinion the destruction00:06:50
of civilization because civilization is00:06:52
a process that happens because people00:06:54
are able to think about the future. We00:06:57
plan for the future. We sacrifice the00:06:59
present in order to get a better future.00:07:02
That's what makes civilization possible.00:07:04
Once money lost its anchor, everything00:07:06
downstream started to wobble. Savings00:07:08
were slowly eaten away by inflation.00:07:10
debt piled up because there was no00:07:12
longer any real constraint on spending.00:07:14
And governments learned something00:07:15
incredibly dangerous, that they could00:07:17
finance almost anything without having00:07:19
to ask their citizens for permission.00:07:20
That's why World War II wasn't really a00:07:22
clean break from World War I. It was00:07:24
less a sequel and more a delayed00:07:26
continuation of the same monetary00:07:27
failure. The mechanism that made the00:07:29
First World War possible never went00:07:31
away. It just got refined. And in many00:07:33
ways, we never actually exited the war00:07:35
economy after that. We just changed the00:07:37
battlefield. Today, the competition00:07:39
isn't only military. It's about energy.00:07:41
It's about AI and industrial capacity.00:07:43
It's about who controls production,00:07:45
supply chains, and the inputs that power00:07:47
modern civilization. But the funding00:07:49
mechanism hasn't changed. It's still00:07:51
financed through money creation. And00:07:53
it's still paid for by future00:07:54
generations who never consented to it.00:07:57
And this is where Safeine's argument00:07:58
goes beyond history and economics.00:08:01
Because once money breaks, the real00:08:03
damage doesn't show up immediately in00:08:05
prices or charts. It shows up in how00:08:07
people relate to the future itself.00:08:08
Safety argues that if you really want to00:08:10
understand the rise and decline of00:08:12
civilizations, you have to stop looking00:08:14
at politics or ideology and start00:08:16
looking at time preference. In fact, we00:08:18
could say the entire process of00:08:20
civilization is the process of us00:08:22
lowering our time preference. So we save00:08:24
more, we think about the future more and00:08:26
then that's reflected in all manner of00:08:28
our behavior. we become more00:08:30
cooperative, more peaceful, more00:08:31
understanding because we recognize that00:08:34
if we cooperate peacefully with each00:08:36
other, the benefits in the long term far00:08:38
outweigh any benefits that we would get00:08:41
from being aggressive against each00:08:42
other. One of my key points that I keep00:08:45
bringing up in all my work is that you00:08:47
could think of the hardness of money as00:08:48
being like a control knob for time00:08:51
preference. When money is very hard,00:08:53
when money is difficult to produce, then00:08:55
it holds on to its value in the long00:08:57
term. So it allows people to think about00:08:58
the long term. It allows people to00:09:00
provide for their long-term future and00:09:02
that makes people more future oriented00:09:04
and more likely to think of the long00:09:05
term. Whereas on the other hand, when00:09:07
money is easy to make, it gets produced00:09:10
at increasing quantities. It holds its00:09:12
value badly. And so it's a terrible way00:09:14
of providing for your future. So without00:09:16
an easy way of providing for your future00:09:17
becomes more uncertain and you start00:09:20
discounting the future more you become00:09:21
more present oriented and as a result00:09:24
you essentially reverse the process of00:09:26
civilization. So I think and in my work00:09:29
I discuss this in a lot of detail but I00:09:30
really think 1914 was the turning point.00:09:33
>> The concept of time preference was a00:09:34
genuine turning point for me because00:09:36
once you see civilization through that00:09:37
lens a lot of things that feel00:09:39
disconnected suddenly line up. Why00:09:41
saving feels harder, why everything00:09:43
feels more short-term. why politics,00:09:45
culture, and even personal00:09:46
decision-making seem increasingly00:09:48
reactive. And we talked about one major00:09:50
downstream effect of broken money being00:09:52
this increasingly gambling and casino00:09:53
culture we find ourselves in. We talked00:09:55
about that in detail in this episode00:09:56
here. And it's not that people suddenly00:09:58
became worse. It's that the incentives00:10:00
quietly changed underneath them. And00:10:02
money sits right at the center of that.00:10:03
When money reliably holds value, it00:10:05
gives people room to think, to plan, to00:10:08
cooperate, to build things that take00:10:10
time. But when money leaks value year00:10:12
after year, it pushes behavior in the00:10:14
opposite direction. Not by force, but by00:10:17
necessity. That's the backdrop for why00:10:19
this conversation matters so much today.00:10:21
Because when people sense something is00:10:22
wrong with this system, they naturally00:10:24
start looking for alternatives. And00:10:26
right now, one of the most common00:10:27
questions I hear, especially with gold00:10:29
making new highs is a reasonable one.00:10:32
Why not just go back to a gold standard?00:10:34
So before we talk about why Bitcoin is00:10:35
different, it's worth understanding why00:10:37
gold ultimately failed. But I thought00:10:39
about the next big thing which is how to00:10:41
make gold more like Bitcoin. And00:10:44
ultimately what it comes down to is the00:10:46
availability of an alternative to the00:10:48
central banking system for clearance.00:10:50
And that's what something that Bitcoin00:10:51
has but gold does not have00:10:54
>> today even and back then. You can't just00:10:57
trade gold. You can't say, "All right, I00:10:59
don't want to use my bank and my central00:11:01
bank. I'm going to set up a gold bank00:11:03
account and I'm going to trade with my00:11:04
suppliers in China and Brazil with gold.00:11:07
I'm just going to send them ounces of00:11:09
gold and they're going to send me back00:11:10
goods. That's not going to work. You00:11:12
can't do that. There are no gold banks.00:11:14
You can't get a license for a bank00:11:16
anywhere in the world if you run it on00:11:18
gold. And your central bank, you can't00:11:21
be a member of the IMF if you're on a00:11:23
gold standard. It's one of the00:11:24
conditions of joining the IMF. So, if00:11:26
you want to join the modern global00:11:27
monetary system, if you if you as a00:11:29
country want to trade with the rest of00:11:31
the world, you more or less have to join00:11:33
the fiat dollar system. There's no00:11:35
alternative to it. And there's no easy00:11:38
way of physically moving gold around.00:11:40
It's very expensive to move it around00:11:42
and it's very expensive to verify it.00:11:44
The only way that you can tell for sure00:11:45
that a gold bar is real is you have to00:11:48
actually melt down the whole thing and00:11:50
recast it, which is pretty expensive. So00:11:52
moving gold from one country to the00:11:54
other on an airplane is expensive. And00:11:56
then melting it and recasting it in00:11:58
order to verify its purity is also very00:12:00
expensive. So that practically means00:12:02
that if the your central bank tells you00:12:04
you have to deal with this currency and00:12:06
you can't redeem it in gold, you're00:12:08
stuck. You have no alternative. This is00:12:11
a subtle but important distinction. Gold00:12:13
didn't fail because it was bad money. It00:12:14
failed because it couldn't exist outside00:12:16
of institutions. Once banks, vaults, and00:12:18
clearing systems became choke points,00:12:20
governments didn't need to outlaw gold.00:12:22
They just needed to control the rails00:12:24
around it. Bitcoin changed that dynamic00:12:26
completely. There's no central cleaning00:12:28
house, no licensing authority, no00:12:30
permission required to move value across00:12:32
borders. Settlement doesn't depend on00:12:34
trust in an institution. It depends on00:12:36
rules enforced by the network itself.00:12:39
That's why Safeine's newest book, The00:12:40
Gold Standard, is such an interesting00:12:42
thought experiment. It imagines a world00:12:44
where gold evolves as far as it possibly00:12:46
can, almost Bitcoinike, and even then it00:12:49
still falls short. I've read all of00:12:51
Safety's books except this latest one00:12:53
and each one of them has sharpened how I00:12:54
think about money incentives and00:12:56
history. If this episode has been00:12:57
resonating with you so far, I really00:12:59
encourage you to go and read his work00:13:01
and to watch this full interview on what00:13:02
Bitcoin did. We've got a link in the00:13:04
description. Now, this brings us to one00:13:06
of the most important reframes in the00:13:07
entire conversation. A lot of people00:13:09
still believe that for Bitcoin to00:13:10
succeed, fiat has to completely00:13:12
collapse. That governments will never00:13:14
allow it. So, Bitcoin can only win if00:13:16
everything breaks first. Here's Safedine00:13:18
explaining why that isn't necessarily00:13:19
the case00:13:20
>> and that most people think uh Bitcoin00:13:23
rises and takes over when fiat dies and00:13:27
Bitcoin has to kill fiat and that fiat00:13:29
has to die if Bitcoin is going to rise.00:13:32
But it's entirely plausible in my mind00:13:34
that we just continue with the same00:13:36
trend that we've had over the last 5000:13:38
years with fiat and over the last 1500:13:40
years with gold, sorry, with Bitcoin. in00:13:42
that Bitcoin continues to appreciate,00:13:43
fiat continues to depreciate, the fiat00:13:46
economy becomes smaller over time00:13:48
because inflation is destroying value00:13:50
and because people move from fiat to00:13:52
Bitcoin and the Bitcoin economy gets00:13:54
larger over time. Extrapolate that over00:13:56
another 10, 20 years, 30 years,00:13:58
eventually the Bitcoin economy becomes00:14:00
bigger and we have a Bitcoin economy00:14:03
that dominates the world and fiat00:14:05
continues to become a less and less00:14:07
significant part of the world economy.00:14:08
In a sense, this is what's been going on00:14:10
over the last 10 years. We're repricing00:14:13
everything in sats and we're00:14:14
redominating the entire world in00:14:16
Satoshi's.00:14:18
They just need to everything else needs00:14:20
to drop another 90% and in Satoshi terms00:14:23
and the Bitcoin economy grows another00:14:26
100x or so and then the world is00:14:29
effectively on a Bitcoin standard. So00:14:31
I've stopped waiting for fiat to die and00:14:34
I'm just enjoying Bitcoin grow.00:14:36
>> That perspective changes everything.00:14:37
Bitcoin doesn't need a dramatic reset.00:14:40
It doesn't need hyperinflation. It00:14:41
doesn't need institutions to fail00:14:43
overnight. It just needs time. As fiat00:14:45
systems slowly lose purchasing power,00:14:47
people look for ways to preserve value.00:14:49
Cash balances migrate. Trust compounds.00:14:52
Bitcoin absorbs that value00:14:53
incrementally, one decision at a time.00:14:55
That's why price matters, not as00:14:57
something to trade, but as a signal. It00:15:00
reflects how much trust has already00:15:01
moved onto the network. And it's also00:15:03
why Bitcoin becomes a medium of exchange00:15:05
only after it's widely trusted as a00:15:07
store of value. You don't force that00:15:09
transition, you unlock it. Which brings00:15:11
us back to where we started. When you00:15:13
understand what Bitcoin is actually00:15:14
responding to, broken money, distorted00:15:17
incentives, and futures that have been00:15:19
quietly mortgaged away, obsessing over00:15:21
short-term price moves starts to feel a00:15:23
little misplaced,00:15:25
not just financially, but00:15:26
philosophically. And this is exactly why00:15:28
Swan exists. Not to trade cycles, not to00:15:31
chase charts, but to help people00:15:33
actually build around sound money and00:15:35
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structure long-term accumulation, think00:15:43
through generational planning, and align00:15:45
their balance sheets with the principles00:15:46
we've been talking about in this00:15:48
episode. Because if Bitcoin really is a00:15:50
better foundation for human00:15:51
coordination, then how you hold it, how00:15:53
you plan around it, and how you pass it00:15:55
forward actually matters. If this00:15:57
episode resonates and you're thinking in00:15:58
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shape culture. They shape what kind of00:16:12
future our children will inherit. And if00:16:14
we want a world of abundance where00:16:16
technology actually benefits humanity00:16:18
instead of distorting and further00:16:19
enslaving it, the monetary system00:16:21
coordinating human action has to change.00:16:23
That's what Bitcoin represents. Not a00:16:25
trade, not a cycle, but a chance to00:16:28
rebuild on a sound foundation. But I'd00:16:30
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This Bitcoin crash is exposing a massive misunderstanding about what Bitcoin actually is. While most investors focus on price volatility, cycle theories, and short-term market structure, Bitcoin was created to solve a much deeper problem: inflation, fiat debasement, broken monetary incentives, and collapsing time preference. This episode explores Bitcoin’s origins through monetary history, the failure of the gold standard, the rise of fiat money, war-driven inflation, and why Bitcoin’s fixed supply and open settlement rails make it fundamentally different from every financial asset before it. If you’re trading Bitcoin instead of understanding it, this crash might be the wake-up call. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIqs9hGNU9A Timestamps 00:00 The Noise Around Bitcoin 01:00 Historical Context: The Break of Money 01:58 The Birth of the Fiat Standard 05:16 World Wars and Monetary Policy 07:04 The Long-Term Impact of Broken Money 10:34 Bitcoin vs. Gold: A Modern Perspective 13:08 Bitcoin's Gradual Rise 15:13 Conclusion: Building on Sound Money ► For high-net-worth individuals and corporations seeking to build generational wealth with Bitcoin, Swan Private is your guide ✔ https://www.swanbitcoin.com/private/ ► Secure your bright orange future with the Swan IRA today! Real Bitcoin, no taxes ✔ https://www.swanbitcoin.com/bitcoin-ira/ ► Secure your Bitcoin with Swan Vault ✔ https://www.swanbitcoin.com/vault/ ► Download the all-new Swan Bitcoin App ✔ https://www.swanbitcoin.com/app/ ► Want to learn more about Bitcoin? Check out Welcome To Bitcoin a FREE Introductory course. Learn about Bitcoin in under 1 hour! ✔ https://welcome.swanbitcoin.com/ ► Connect with Swan Bitcoin: ✔ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Swan ✔ Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser ✔ LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/swanbitcoin ✔ Threads: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser ✔ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser ✔ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@realswanbitcoin WARNING: Beware of scammers who use Swan’s image and name in the comment section. We will never ask you to contact us through YouTube. If you have any questions and want to reach us directly, follow our Twitter account https://twitter.com/Swan and send us a message.
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