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All right. So, um, in this podcast,00:00:07
we're going to talk about every fighting00:00:09
game type explained, which basically00:00:12
goes over every00:00:14
>> single fighting game type in the00:00:16
fighting game community. And I think00:00:18
it's too long to make it into one00:00:20
podcast. So, we're going to break it up00:00:21
into a bunch of pieces. This will be00:00:23
from the beginning until the end of the00:00:26
grounded section. So yeah, I guess we00:00:28
can kind of start by talking about how00:00:30
this project came about. I remember I00:00:32
called you one day. I think this was00:00:34
like a year and a half ago or something.00:00:36
Maybe maybe two years ago.00:00:37
>> Long time ago.00:00:38
>> Yeah. And I was just like, "Okay, I want00:00:41
to do a video where I talk about every00:00:44
single fighting game type." And and it00:00:46
was originally going to be called00:00:47
something like um the taxonomy of00:00:49
fighting games or fighting game00:00:51
taxonomy. >> Taxonomy was the big keyword. I firstly00:00:54
honestly didn't know what taxonomy was.00:00:57
I had to like research for it. Sorry,00:00:58
I'm not really that academically00:01:00
trained. But knowing it,00:01:01
>> classification, I guess is uh to use a00:01:04
um simpler term. Yeah.00:01:06
>> Uh the term made sense that like00:01:09
fighting games even now there's so many00:01:12
various types and there was never like a00:01:15
a textbook of categorization for Yeah,00:01:19
that's the problem with uh anything00:01:20
related to fighting game stuff is00:01:23
there's no you can't get like a PhD in00:01:25
fighting games. There's no like all the00:01:27
the research and stuff that you look up00:01:29
is just hasn't been done in a lot of00:01:31
ways, right? So there's a lot of00:01:33
unexplored terrain to go into and uh we00:01:36
learned this as well when we were kind00:01:38
of having a discussion about different00:01:40
fighting games like how do you make a00:01:42
framework where you can kind of put any00:01:45
fighting game into the framework and it00:01:46
kind of makes sense, right? So, where do00:01:48
you draw the line? Like there's00:01:51
conversations about um about meter. How00:01:54
important is meter to a classification00:01:56
for a fighting game? How important is is00:01:59
a combo breaker? Does that make or break00:02:01
what kind of fighting game that is? And00:02:03
we had a lot of those conversations, but00:02:06
um obviously there are certain things00:02:08
during these conversations we realized00:02:09
were core fundamental aspects of their00:02:11
games. And I think one of the the ways00:02:15
that we could see if it was important to00:02:18
a fighting game genre or not was if you00:02:21
were to was to test if what would happen00:02:25
if you were to take away that thing from00:02:27
the game. And I always jokingly referred00:02:29
to as would there be riots in the00:02:31
street?00:02:32
>> Whoa. >> Yeah. So if um Street Fighter00:02:34
>> suddenly had block button like Mortal00:02:37
Kombat, would there be riots in the00:02:39
street? I I think there would be.00:02:40
>> I would protest.00:02:41
>> Yeah. There would be there would be00:02:42
riots in the street and00:02:43
>> protest00:02:44
>> and um this was kind of one of the ideas00:02:46
with the block button where you did see00:02:48
people like really upset that NRS made a00:02:51
game that was hold back to block00:02:53
>> and for people who like hold back to00:02:55
block that sounds very weird. You're00:02:57
like of course it should be hold back to00:02:58
block. This should be00:02:59
>> we thought that was normal.00:03:01
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So that was kind of00:03:03
one of the criteria and I think that's00:03:05
kind of how um the idea of the predator00:03:07
effect came but I guess we're getting00:03:09
ahead here. Um, I guess we can go.00:03:11
>> There's a lot to talk about, right?00:03:13
>> Yeah. Yeah. There's so much to talk00:03:14
about. Um, but yeah, I guess at the00:03:17
beginning of the video I have to kind of00:03:19
explain what it means to have a00:03:22
prototype and an archetype.00:03:24
>> Sure. >> And uh, the analogy I use obviously is00:03:27
rock music. I like rock music a lot00:03:30
because there's it's older, so there's00:03:32
so many different kinds of rock music00:03:34
now. And it's pretty relatable because00:03:37
everyone has everyone knows that00:03:38
there's, you know, underground rock,00:03:40
there's mainstream rock, some people00:03:42
really hate the mainstream stuff. Some00:03:44
people, uh, you know, uh,00:03:46
>> you know, brag about knowing about00:03:48
certain bands. And there's a lot of, uh,00:03:50
parallels and similarities to00:03:52
>> the FGC. So, I think rock music was kind00:03:56
of a um, a good analogy to use00:03:58
throughout the entire video. And00:04:00
>> music is like uh, it starts from a00:04:03
single root, right? like it'll be single00:04:05
like rock and roll for example and then00:04:07
it just branches out into a lot of00:04:09
different genres that I mean people come00:04:12
up with genres and then if there's a lot00:04:14
of people who agree that this is a genre00:04:16
that we can kind of go with and then00:04:18
that creates a community and so on so00:04:20
forth. um sticking to uh what you00:04:23
mentioned about like you know a PhD in00:04:25
fighting games or any sort of highly00:04:27
valued academic you know research00:04:29
related to it is not really a thing yet00:04:31
but then whenever you mentioned the word00:04:33
taxonomy and then I was researching00:04:35
things um there are so many like say for00:04:37
example animals or insects that are all00:04:41
like separately categorized and they00:04:43
have all these Latin words describing00:04:45
them for example a same bird if they00:04:48
have like a single stripe of feather is00:04:50
different to the other bird that00:04:52
doesn't. >> Yeah. Yeah.00:04:53
>> Yeah. It's crazy how many so amazing to00:04:56
know. >> Yeah. You know, like a a cat is called a00:04:59
felis catis. Like just the most common00:05:02
term. Yeah. That's the term, right? And00:05:04
and it's so there's it's very academic,00:05:07
but I guess what what we were doing with00:05:09
this video was obviously we don't want00:05:11
to just make this overly academic, you00:05:13
know, like Yeah. I mean like um it's we00:05:16
don't need Latin terms for like 3D and00:05:18
2D and 2.5D, right? So, it it's more of00:05:20
a it's kind of a more of a practical00:05:22
video or a pragmatic way of of getting00:05:24
people to understand um what these00:05:27
different kinds are. I think um one of00:05:28
the things that you mentioned was um we00:05:30
kind of had trouble00:05:32
>> uh um identifying what uh a certain game00:05:36
is. And you mentioned like, wow, this is00:05:38
like this kind of like a platypus. It00:05:39
has like something from everything,00:05:40
right?00:05:41
>> And I can rightfully say this, I'm from00:05:43
Australia. We have like one of the best00:05:45
zoos in the world, I believe it, because00:05:47
we just have the most amazing unique00:05:49
species. You know, everybody knows the00:05:51
kangaroo, the koalas. Yeah.00:05:53
>> And I did explain what a platypus is,00:05:57
like what are they? They're a mix of a00:05:59
lot of things, right, that you've00:06:00
learned. >> Yeah.00:06:01
>> One of the things other than the actual00:06:03
visual properties, I did mention the the00:06:06
cherry on top is it's also poisonous.00:06:08
>> Yes.00:06:09
>> So, it's like what?00:06:10
>> Yeah. >> So, it's a mammal that is a poisonous00:06:12
>> a poison mechanic. Yeah, it just it00:06:14
blows your mind just to look at it. And00:06:16
I think there's a lot of um you know,00:06:17
researchers who who found this animal00:06:19
and just like00:06:20
>> they're they're all confounded. They're00:06:22
like, "What is going on?" And so there's00:06:24
there's a lot of games in the fighting00:06:27
game uh scene00:06:29
>> and there there's so many that you're00:06:31
just bound to have something like that,00:06:33
right? But that doesn't mean that you00:06:34
can't uh make some sort of uh framework00:06:36
around the classifications of the game.00:06:38
So I guess um the the thing with the00:06:41
Rock analogy of course uh we had Chuck00:06:43
Barry to represent Street Fighter 200:06:46
>> and Street Fighter 2 is a very important00:06:49
game and I think it's I don't know we're00:06:51
we're older now and we were kind of00:06:53
there with Street Fighter 2 uh in the00:06:56
arcades when it came out and that how it00:06:57
exploded and I think a lot of um people00:07:00
a lot of people listening might not have00:07:03
um have actually been there00:07:05
>> but it was it was insane. It's like00:07:07
there's there was before Street Fighter00:07:10
2 and after Street Fighter 2 when it00:07:11
came to arcade gaming, right? And00:07:14
>> and the thing is like a lot of people00:07:15
will say like there's there's iconic00:07:17
games uh fighting games that were there00:07:20
before Street Fighter 2.00:07:21
>> Uh of course um Year Kung Fu and uh and00:07:24
Karate Champ. Those are those are00:07:26
absolute classics, but those games00:07:28
didn't have the same impact, right? And00:07:30
so I was kind of thinking like how can I00:07:33
talk about00:07:34
>> Street Fighter 2 as an archetype? rather00:07:37
than a prototype. And I wanted to use an00:07:41
analogy of um of the iPhone, right? So,00:07:45
>> right, you did mention the uh Apple00:07:48
related stuff. Yes.00:07:49
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, the the thing was that I00:07:52
wanted people to understand that this00:07:54
isn't about, you know, Street Fighter 200:07:57
inventing everything. It's not it's00:07:59
about having the right combination of of00:08:01
features and and getting the having the00:08:04
popularity to make it a thing,00:08:06
>> right? So all the things come together00:08:07
and Chuck Barry was kind of the the rock00:08:09
artist that did that and I felt that00:08:13
already having Chuck Barry as part of00:08:15
the analogy um was enough to where I00:08:19
wouldn't have to add the iPhone part.00:08:20
But I I do like the iPhone analogy00:08:22
because it does add a few extra00:08:24
dimensions to um00:08:26
>> to the comparison because00:08:29
>> the iPhone is a slate phone like it's00:08:32
like the you know it has like it's like00:08:35
a rectangle with that all screen00:08:38
>> right >> and there were phones like that. I think00:08:40
LG made one uh that was before the00:08:42
iPhone00:08:43
>> LG being one of the I guess innovators00:08:45
in display technology.00:08:46
>> Yes.00:08:47
>> Yeah. I think they also delved in that00:08:49
uh competing with Apple and all the like00:08:51
the Samsung and whatnot. Yeah.00:08:53
>> Yeah. There was the LG Prada and um00:08:55
those phones uh you know they sold00:08:57
decently and um I think they were00:08:59
considered successes but00:09:01
>> it was nothing like the iPhone, right?00:09:03
When the iPhone came out, there was00:09:04
before the iPhone and after the iPhone.00:09:06
After the iPhone, all phones looked like00:09:09
all smartphones just looked like00:09:10
rectangles with screens. But before00:09:12
that, you had like Blackberries and you00:09:14
had like um you know the the small candy00:09:16
bar phones like the Nokia ones where you00:09:18
would have like uh I remember there was00:09:20
like a phone where you could fold open00:09:22
the the a keyboard like a tactile00:09:25
keyboard. I remember this00:09:26
>> and uh there's there are just so many00:09:28
different kinds of things and um and00:09:31
basically yeah it was once the the00:09:33
iPhone came out um it was that that was00:09:37
what became phones afterwards. And the00:09:39
thing about the iPhone itself was that00:09:41
it doesn't necessarily mean it's the00:09:43
best phone or even a great phone that it00:09:45
didn't have copy and paste. Uh don't00:09:47
quote me on this, but I think I read an00:09:48
article where the person who was working00:09:51
on it finally came out and said uh we00:09:54
just didn't have enough time.00:09:55
>> It was like a it was like a deadline00:09:57
thing, right? So it was like00:09:59
>> and um and so like it famously just00:10:01
didn't have copy and paste. There's a00:10:03
lot of reasons why it might not have,00:10:05
but I think that was the one that was on00:10:07
record, but um00:10:08
>> Okay. But yeah, so this iPhone analogy00:10:11
is um is something that I thought would00:10:13
have been a little bit too much. Made00:10:14
the video a little bit too long, but I I00:10:17
really liked it. But Chuck Barry was00:10:18
enough. And of course the whole video00:10:20
uses uh rock artist.00:10:23
>> Yeah. Relatable because we are trying to00:10:25
emphasize the fact that um there has00:10:27
been obviously whoever started it but00:10:31
not necessarily who popularized it.00:10:33
>> We respect them in that sense. there00:10:35
historically there which in would have00:10:37
inspired the ones that eventually would00:10:39
popularize the genre uh that being00:10:42
Street Fighter 2 of course and that's00:10:44
happened in many other um categories and00:10:47
industries as well. So00:10:48
>> yeah. Yeah. I mean, not to go off on a00:10:50
tangent, but um during this time, uh00:10:52
what kind of inspired me to think about00:10:54
this um this iPhone analogy was um you00:10:57
know, before Thomas Edison, there were a00:10:59
lot of things going on to make the light00:11:01
bulb and there were like there are00:11:03
prototypes. There are types of light00:11:04
bulbs that um that would be good for00:11:08
having uh outside in a industrial area00:11:11
where noise is not a concern because uh00:11:13
it made a lot of noise.00:11:14
>> Yeah, there there was a lot of noise.00:11:16
So, I think one of the first uses of um00:11:18
like a light bulb was a was a lighthouse00:11:21
where it didn't matter how much noise00:11:22
there was and it was just blasting a00:11:24
bunch of light. But a lighthouse is one00:11:26
of the first uh uses where you can um of00:11:29
that. And what the what the light bulb00:11:31
did, Thomas Edison's light bulb was make00:11:33
it so that you can just have it uh in in00:11:35
your home and it's like,00:11:38
>> you know, it lasts a good amount of00:11:39
time.00:11:40
>> Yeah. It was kind of like a mainstream00:11:42
kind of thing. And so even with the00:11:43
iPhone or with Street Fighter 2, um even00:11:46
Chuck Barry to a large extent,00:11:48
>> uh they were all popularity was a big00:11:52
component of of those things. And so,00:11:55
>> uh I guess that's kind of the way it is.00:11:56
If for something to become a thing, it00:11:58
has to be at least popular enough. And00:12:00
that's why I put the Baywatch clip in00:12:02
there, which is I think uh 1992 or00:12:04
something. It was um it was Street00:12:06
Fighter Mania was so big, it was in one00:12:08
of the hottest shows in the in the US,00:12:10
right?00:12:11
>> At the time. Yeah, there was like there00:12:12
was like a scene where there were00:12:14
playing Street Fighter 2 together,00:12:16
right? That's00:12:17
>> that was that's that's a big deal. So,00:12:19
it kind of those that clip was there to00:12:21
kind of give people an idea that this00:12:22
was a big deal. And I think um I think00:12:25
you know I got the point across on that00:12:27
one. Um but yeah, and so once you get00:12:29
the point that Street Fighter 2 is like00:12:31
the archetype,00:12:32
>> Sure.00:12:33
>> then we can move on to the 2D fighting00:12:35
game.00:12:36
>> That's right. That's right. Right.00:12:37
>> Archetype being it's gone through few00:12:39
trial and errors to become the archetype00:12:41
that it didn't plan to be. But then I00:12:44
guess when you mention popularity, it00:12:46
also matters with accessibility as well.00:12:48
And speaking of popularity, when you00:12:50
mentioned Chuck Berry in your video, I00:12:53
think I saw it. There was a clip of Back00:12:56
to the Future. >> Oh yeah. On the earlier00:12:58
>> popular too. like why didn't you?00:13:00
>> No, this was this was just like a an00:13:01
editor's choice cuz like I I thought it00:13:04
was so cool to have00:13:05
>> um you know Marty McFly,00:13:07
>> although it wasn't a canon event, right?00:13:09
This is a movie of course, but it's so00:13:11
popular that scene.00:13:12
>> Yeah, it's iconic. That scene is iconic00:13:14
because Chuck Barry is iconic, right?00:13:16
It's it's it's Marty McFly going to the00:13:19
past to introduce00:13:21
>> this new kind of music00:13:23
>> which was uh which is in it was around00:13:25
the time I think it was 1955 in the00:13:26
movie00:13:27
>> and it's really solidifies the point00:13:29
that Chuck Barry is the archetype. He's00:13:31
the Street Fighter 2 of of you know of00:13:34
that era in terms of music creating this00:13:36
uh this new sound00:13:38
>> and that scene was perfect for it and I00:13:40
love that scene but it just did not fit.00:13:42
I tried to fit it in so much. And this00:13:44
is where as an editor,00:13:45
>> you you get to the point where you just00:13:47
have to like uh swallow your pride and00:13:50
be like, it's not going to help the00:13:52
video. It's going to be clunky. It's not00:13:53
going to fit in well. I tried to fit it00:13:55
in as much as I could, but ultimately at00:13:58
the end of the day, uh you have to edit00:14:00
it out, right? So, it's uh that that was00:14:03
just an editorial uh decision where I I00:14:06
just >> yeah, I I I want to be a good editor. I00:14:08
want the it to flow and it just it just00:14:10
didn't do that. But um but there's a lot00:14:13
of references to that. There's Johnny B.00:14:14
Good, which is one of the Yeah, one of00:14:17
the most famous songs that Chuck Barry00:14:19
uh played and made.00:14:20
>> And uh in the background there's some00:14:23
people in the comments uh I I think00:14:25
caught it. It was Johnny Cad, which is00:14:28
kind of like a Yeah. Yeah. It was like a00:14:30
blues uh bluesy song that was in Final00:14:32
Fantasy 6, right? It's it's a Nouatsu uh00:14:36
piece, but it was kind of a a an homage00:14:39
to00:14:40
>> Chuck Barry. And I was like, "Oh, this00:14:42
would be perfect for the the beginning00:14:43
of the of the video." And and so people00:14:46
got that. And if they didn't, well, it's00:14:47
the cool song. Anyways, when we get into00:14:49
2D games now, so Street Fighter 2 blew00:14:51
up and now there's all these like I00:14:54
guess for lack of better term, like kind00:14:55
of like clones, right? It's like a lot00:14:57
of games that are trying to be like00:14:59
Street Fighter but not exactly Street00:15:01
Fighter because that's copying, right?00:15:04
>> And so I had to look at all the things00:15:06
that people were copying, I guess,00:15:09
>> right? Or at least kind of have a sort00:15:12
of common ground, I suppose.00:15:14
>> Yeah. A common ground of what makes00:15:15
Street Fighter 2 the successful game00:15:17
that that it was,00:15:18
>> the archetype of all the clones.00:15:20
>> Yeah. And so, like, of course, some some00:15:22
companies flew too close to the sun and00:15:24
uh kind of got dinged with a with a00:15:26
lawsuit. I think Capcom tried to uh sue00:15:30
Data East00:15:31
>> for uh very popular Fighter History,00:15:34
right? It was Fighter History. And if00:15:36
you look at that game, there's uh it is00:15:39
very similar. I mean, I think they they00:15:40
they went a little too close because I00:15:43
think the life bars also it was like00:15:44
yellow when the life bar was full and00:15:46
then red when it was empty.00:15:48
colors,00:15:49
>> little detail, [laughter] but I mean00:15:50
it's it definitely like was similar in a00:15:53
lot of ways and I can see um and it's a00:15:55
big enough company to where Capcom could00:15:57
try to make like an example out of this00:16:00
company, but uh I think Capcom lost that00:16:03
case. But what's interesting about00:16:05
Fighter History is I think when we were00:16:07
doing the research, we realized Fighter00:16:08
History actually had an innovation uh in00:16:11
their gameplay which I don't think they00:16:13
were talking about in the courts cuz00:16:14
they probably I mean this was not not00:16:16
even a thing at the time.00:16:17
>> It was pretty unique. They try a lot of00:16:20
things. Yes. >> It was the overhead.00:16:21
>> Yeah.00:16:22
>> Right. So there was uh there was a move00:16:24
that was like um I think it's the Guile00:16:27
knockoff character00:16:28
>> Mattlock.00:16:29
>> This character had a move where he yells00:16:32
out overhead kick. He's like overhead00:16:34
kick.00:16:35
>> That's the name of the move. Yes. Jumps00:16:37
into the air and does an upside down00:16:39
flash kick. It's like a00:16:41
>> It's [laughter] like a He did the first00:16:43
moon salt, I believe, even before Nash00:16:46
did. And he's called it the overhead00:16:48
kick. >> And it's a move that beats crouch00:16:51
blocking that comes from the ground. I00:16:53
think it's like some kind of hopping00:16:54
attack or whatever, but it comes from00:16:56
the ground and it's not from like a00:16:57
jumping attack. Mhm.00:16:59
>> And so that move was one of the first,00:17:03
if not the first overhead.00:17:06
>> And what's interesting, what made me00:17:08
what that made me think about was, you00:17:10
know, during the case between Capcom and00:17:12
uh and Data East,00:17:14
>> they probably weren't talking about the00:17:16
gameplay aspects, right? They were00:17:17
talking about the motif aspects. Like00:17:19
Ryu and Ken are kind of generic, you00:17:21
know, karate martial arts characters,00:17:24
and they were focused on that. So, if00:17:26
you ever check that game out, um you you00:17:28
can try Matt Lock's character. That's00:17:30
one of those like little bits of00:17:32
research that didn't really fit in the00:17:33
video that we had, but it's00:17:34
>> I had to play and learn the characters00:17:36
and [laughter]00:17:37
>> get out the secrets. Just just know00:17:38
about it. Uh it did also have a uh worth00:17:41
mentioning uh me mechanism. It had like00:17:44
a a body part kind of thing where if you00:17:47
struck if you struck down a certain part00:17:49
of the body, like their armor drops out00:17:51
or their clothing drops out. It was like00:17:53
a battle battle. What are they called?00:17:55
>> Like battle damage system.00:17:56
>> Battle damage system. And it wasn't just00:17:59
like a simple high, low, mid, or like00:18:01
the head. Uh you had you your sprite had00:18:04
to actually collide with that uh the00:18:07
>> the opponent's body part and then it00:18:08
will like flash to say that it's about00:18:10
to fall off. Similar to say Vega's claw00:18:13
and the mask. We don't see the00:18:15
distinguishment of the that being the00:18:17
low health other than if you do reach00:18:19
the threshold, you know how they come00:18:21
off. >> Yeah. And like you might have like you00:18:23
might take more damage if the mask comes00:18:25
off or things like that. Yeah, that was00:18:27
a thing in Fighter history as well. So00:18:28
that was pretty interesting.00:18:29
>> That's uh that's interesting. So um the00:18:32
things that really make the core of of00:18:34
the 2D game, Fighter History and all the00:18:36
other games during that time or so many00:18:38
of the games during that time00:18:40
>> were things like obviously the hold back00:18:42
to block system, right? So that is a00:18:44
really big one and I think that's kind00:18:47
of I think fighting game people00:18:48
generally take that for granted because00:18:50
it's in so many games at this point and00:18:52
people are so used to it but it's not an00:18:53
intuitive thing.00:18:55
>> So I really had to break down that whole00:18:58
blocking system because it isn't00:19:00
intuitive. How why why does crouch00:19:04
blocking lose to jumping attacks?00:19:07
There's nothing I mean you can kind of I00:19:08
guess it would be hard to like block00:19:10
some guy jump kicking you when you're00:19:12
crouching I guess. I suppose people kind00:19:14
of expect you to know that already or00:19:16
something, but that was never really00:19:18
communicated in an open environment. And00:19:21
one of the things when I was doing all00:19:22
this research as well is that whenever I00:19:24
look at some guides, be it like game00:19:27
FAQs or other online websites, they00:19:30
would describe so much about every00:19:31
single attacks, but they don't even00:19:33
mention the whole back to block. They00:19:35
just say if you go left, it's blocked00:19:37
when you're on player one side. That's00:19:38
about it. That's that's the entire00:19:40
description. That's actually a topic for00:19:42
a larger discussion that we're going to00:19:44
have uh soon, I think, in in another00:19:46
podcast, but uh that's the idea of00:19:48
defense. I guess defense is underrated00:19:50
in a lot of ways. So, um we we00:19:53
definitely want to talk about that. But00:19:54
yeah, in this video, it does talk a lot00:19:56
about the the blocking mechanism because00:19:58
people know about like attacks and stuff00:20:00
and and but then with with blocking, you00:20:02
need to know about the the high low and00:20:03
the left right. And of course, we have00:20:05
to talk about uh cross-ups if we're00:20:08
talking about left right blocking. and00:20:10
cross-ups are so fundamental and00:20:12
integral to the uh 2D archetypal00:20:15
holdback block fighting game00:20:17
>> that it just needs an entire section.00:20:19
Right. So00:20:20
>> I guess um you were kind of the one that00:20:22
made an analogy uh of the the basketball00:20:26
um00:20:27
>> Right. Right. Right. >> It wasn't an analogy. It was just that00:20:29
in basketball they use the term crossup.00:20:31
How I I would say as a person growing00:20:35
up, if I ever heard the word crossup, it00:20:38
sadly wasn't from fighting games. I I00:20:40
think I heard it more in street00:20:43
basketball. And cross up or I would say00:20:46
cross over or crossing someone up.00:20:49
>> Yeah. was a thing where um you would not00:20:53
literally but break their ankles like an00:20:56
ankle breaker that you would you would00:20:58
kind of do the dribble00:21:00
>> and you faint your motion to the left00:21:01
and then all of a sudden uh you switch00:21:03
to the right and you there's a montage00:21:05
of people getting their ankles broken.00:21:08
>> Not literally, obviously.00:21:09
>> Okay. Okay. They're not actually00:21:10
breaking their ankles. I'm sure I'm sure00:21:11
someone broke their ankles00:21:12
>> in an extreme condition. And I I I would00:21:15
expect someone to be really really hurt00:21:16
and I I apologize that you got ankle00:21:19
broken by these street basketballers,00:21:22
but it is a a technique I I would say to00:21:25
fake out your opponent and then because00:21:27
you know I guess we tend to be a00:21:29
reactive animal. we see things that we00:21:32
want to do, but if we uh even though in00:21:35
our heads we make the right decisions to00:21:37
say defend uh against your opponent in a00:21:40
in a sports match, um you would react to00:21:43
their emotions, right? In a basketball00:21:45
uh it's very fluid where someone would00:21:47
try to do like a00:21:49
>> uh telegraphing motions to kind of00:21:51
pretend that they're going one direction00:21:53
and then all of a sudden switching to00:21:54
another side and then ultimately the00:21:56
defender falls down because they lose00:21:58
their balance.00:21:59
>> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's00:22:00
>> is a similar analogy to I guess fighting00:22:03
games crossup eventually.00:22:04
>> Oh yeah, it's awesome. And I guess it's00:22:06
something that fighting game people are00:22:07
just take for granted like cross-ups are00:22:09
a thing,00:22:10
>> but it's a huge part of fighting games00:22:12
and I think you're the one who ran00:22:15
across the uh the clip from the Ian00:22:16
Kofino documentary. Uh00:22:19
>> the one with Mike Ross. That was so00:22:21
perfect that clip.00:22:23
>> It's not that I wanted to look at that00:22:26
video for this for this video that we00:22:28
were trying to make. Yeah,00:22:29
>> it was just that I just needed more00:22:31
research material on Soulcalibur00:22:34
>> cuz Soulcalibur was also uh I think in00:22:36
the video very briefly. Um but then I00:22:39
just wanted to like fact check on00:22:40
something and then I ended up watching00:22:41
the whole thing and it's like hey this00:22:43
young Mike Ross and then he mentions00:22:45
this about00:22:46
>> uh dictionaries not having resets and00:22:48
spellings not having crossups and I'm00:22:50
like Gerald you have to put this in. I00:22:52
know even if I was Mike Ross he would00:22:54
say yes put this in the video.00:22:56
>> Yeah. No, that was a that was a must.00:22:57
And it was not hard to fit it into the00:22:59
video. Obviously, it's just a very it00:23:01
was kind of getting into the um the part00:23:03
about mixups and uh it Yeah, he he that00:23:06
part solidifies00:23:07
>> how important cross-ups are and how00:23:09
awesome they are, right?00:23:10
>> Competitors and, you know, fighting game00:23:12
players overall. Yeah.00:23:13
>> Yeah. So, um there in in that portion of00:23:16
the video, there's, you know, there's00:23:17
cross-ups, but then like I also go over00:23:19
a bunch of parts,00:23:20
>> you know, like things like cancelling00:23:22
and like um comboing.00:23:24
>> Yeah, comboing. And and those are very00:23:26
fundamental aspects of of Street Fighter00:23:28
2. But what was interesting was that00:23:31
there was one kind of combo setup where00:23:34
you can kind of show everything in one00:23:36
sequence almost like Yeah. It was00:23:38
basically I guess from my memory it was00:23:41
uh Ryu throws a fireball.00:23:42
>> Yes.00:23:43
>> Guile jumps over it, gets anti-air by DP00:23:46
and then gets knocked down and then walk00:23:49
up a little bit. Jump over. Cross up.00:23:51
Yep. I think the cross-up was like00:23:53
roundhouse and then uh00:23:54
>> that's right.00:23:55
>> You could do a heavy kick. A jump heavy00:23:57
kick is a crossup in World War II.00:23:58
>> Yeah. In old old Street Fighter games.00:24:00
You could do that and then of course00:24:02
afterwards you got the second hit which00:24:04
made it a combo which was kind of a an00:24:06
accident.00:24:07
>> Yeah. The low forward and then you can00:24:09
cancel that into a fireball which is00:24:11
another >> you know glitch or whatever. It's thing00:24:14
uh in in fighting games. And then Yeah.00:24:17
And then after that I guess that was00:24:19
like a stun and then um Right. So, it's00:24:23
kind of like that sequence right there00:24:25
just encapsulates so much of what has00:24:28
been retained from Street Fighter 2 into00:24:31
even up to modern 2D archetypal hold00:24:34
backto block fighting games. That's00:24:35
right. So,00:24:36
>> most 2D fighting games now would have00:24:39
most if not all of what World Warrior00:24:41
back in the day would have had in that00:24:43
single sequence essentially.00:24:45
>> Yeah. And in in some ways, you can do00:24:46
that in so many modern uh games as well.00:24:50
It's just it's it's there. So So I guess00:24:52
that kind of that's the left right mixup00:24:54
aspect of the hold back to block system.00:24:57
>> But then um of course hold back to block00:25:00
doesn't work when you have00:25:01
>> the block button, right?00:25:02
>> Yeah. So I believe this is when we focus00:25:05
on uh a very popular franchise as well,00:25:08
Mortal Kombat.00:25:09
>> Yeah. Mortal Kombat is uh it's that game00:25:13
that game was huge. That was another00:25:15
like culture defining.00:25:17
>> It's a canon event in our life.00:25:20
>> Yeah. Like people who didn't know about00:25:22
arcades or video games. They saw it on00:25:24
the news because it was like there was00:25:25
like fatalities and kids could just go00:25:27
to the arcade and like see these00:25:28
fatalities. I was one of those kids.00:25:30
>> And I remember like um I I told this00:25:33
story a long time ago in an interview. I00:25:35
think it was a Born Free interview, but00:25:37
I actually born free.00:25:38
>> Yeah. Shout outs to Born Free. I I I00:25:40
actually got in trouble in school for00:25:43
drawing fatalities. And00:25:44
>> you would draw fatalities.00:25:46
>> Yeah. But it wasn't in like a weird like00:25:47
antisocial way. It was uh it was just um00:25:50
it was funny because my it was a there00:25:53
was an art class.00:25:54
>> Okay.00:25:55
>> And uh the teacher put on a video and00:25:57
the video was like kind of boring to be00:26:00
honest. >> Okay.00:26:01
>> And uh me and my friend, we were just um00:26:05
uh I don't know who started it. Maybe it00:26:07
was me, but uh let's say it was me. I I00:26:10
I drew a fatal my friend getting00:26:12
fatalityed like Mortal Kombat.00:26:14
>> Right. Right. What characters fatality00:26:15
do? Do you remember?00:26:16
>> Um I think it was like I think I did uh00:26:18
Subzero the head getting ripped off.00:26:20
>> Oh, just a generic one.00:26:21
>> Yeah. And I did it in the best art00:26:23
skills that I had. Okay.00:26:24
>> With it. It was an art class, right? So00:26:26
it was kind of I guess it was kind of00:26:27
>> So the art class is your option00:26:29
selector.00:26:30
>> Yeah. Basically that was my that was my00:26:32
reasoning for it. And um and then like I00:26:34
I gave it to my friend and he started00:26:36
like laughing but he he had to hold it00:26:38
in. So we were all like kind of like00:26:39
giggling and kind of holding concealing00:26:41
our laughter as much as possible. And00:26:42
then he would draw something00:26:44
>> uh like another fatality. I think he did00:26:46
like a scorpion one or something.00:26:49
>> Toasty maybe. >> Yeah. Yeah. And uh and then he like gave00:26:51
it back to me and then we just started00:26:53
like trading these uh with each other.00:26:55
>> Wow. It became an activity.00:26:56
>> Yeah. became like a thing and we were00:26:58
having so much fun and not paying00:27:00
attention and uh yeah eventually yeah we00:27:02
we got caught00:27:03
>> and uh actually like I think I got00:27:05
caught but my friend didn't but I didn't00:27:07
like I didn't like on him so right00:27:10
>> I I just basically friendship00:27:11
>> yeah I took the uh yeah that was the00:27:13
friendship uh of Mortal Kombat I was uh00:27:16
>> uh yeah I I took the heat and uh I went00:27:19
to the principal's office and00:27:20
>> you went to the principal's office they00:27:22
were like what are you doing yeah and00:27:23
then like my dad had to like talk to the00:27:25
yeah it was drawings But like00:27:27
>> you must have drawn really nice00:27:29
>> well >> like realistic like oh he's got some00:27:31
talent but this is so violent. You got00:27:32
to go to the principles of00:27:34
>> yeah I mean I I can see that how that00:27:35
was like very alarming to them cuz like00:27:37
this was not like you know00:27:39
>> it is the '9s I guess.00:27:40
>> Yeah it was the '90s and that's kind of00:27:41
stuff from like for them it's like where00:27:43
is this coming from like what's wrong00:27:45
with this kid right? And so like my you00:27:48
know I told my parents what had happened00:27:49
and then my dad was he was so he was so00:27:51
kind. He00:27:52
>> he you know he took some time to talk to00:27:54
the principal about like kind of00:27:56
explaining my position what happened and00:27:58
and talk about how arcades these days00:28:00
you know like if you go to the arcades00:28:01
you can see these things and this is00:28:03
where >> kids being kids and all that stuff.00:28:05
>> Yeah. But I mean for me and my friend we00:28:06
were just like we're just laughing the00:28:08
whole time. But I guess yeah00:28:11
don't do that. That's [laughter]00:28:13
>> maybe not in our class. Maybe.00:28:14
>> Yeah, that that00:28:15
>> we didn't have internet back then. So,00:28:17
yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, that that was like used the same as00:28:19
maybe watching social media. Instead,00:28:21
you just draw fatalities.00:28:22
>> Yeah. [laughter]00:28:24
>> Right. And the block button of course in00:28:26
Mortal Kombat is is not a controversial00:28:28
thing back then. It was just we just00:28:30
accepted it. It's like, "Oh, that's00:28:31
cool." >> Well, yeah. It was kind of a it was it00:28:33
it was kind of a way to solve um the the00:28:36
issue of like, you know, folding the00:28:38
wrong way to block, right? So, at the00:28:40
time, it wasn't like cross-ups were a00:28:41
huge thing at the time. It was I think00:28:44
Mortal Kombat 1 came out in 1992 and it00:28:46
was still too soon from the release of00:28:48
Street Fighter 2 to where people were00:28:50
like, "Oh, cross-ups, cross-ups, you00:28:51
know, we got to do cross-ups." So, they00:28:52
just were like, "Okay, we're going to00:28:54
make a block button because hold back to00:28:55
block is kind of, you know, maybe that's00:28:57
not the best way of going about it." And00:28:58
then they just had a block button.00:29:00
>> Or maybe the maybe Ed Boon got hit by so00:29:03
much crossups he couldn't take it00:29:04
anymore.00:29:05
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, so there actually is00:29:07
kind of a story about stun and fatality00:29:10
that um I guess that's Yeah, that's in00:29:12
one of my videos. Yeah, the way that00:29:13
that fatality came about was because he00:29:16
didn't like stun.00:29:17
>> So um so I don't know like00:29:19
>> he didn't like rewarding the player who00:29:21
was doing good, so he moved it at the00:29:24
end of the >> I didn't say that. This is this is all00:29:26
coming from you. So I get I'm just00:29:28
saying that that's what he he just00:29:30
wanted to put the dizzy at the end of00:29:32
the game where it doesn't matter anymore00:29:34
where there and and that's how00:29:36
fatalities came. But anyway, so the00:29:38
block button is something that um at the00:29:40
time wasn't like controversial or people00:29:43
didn't really think too much of it and00:29:44
some people thought it was like oh it's00:29:45
kind of a cool feature but obviously00:29:47
that changes the game big time. uh to00:29:50
the point where once these games were00:29:52
starting to get competitive and people00:29:53
were realizing like, oh, okay, this is00:29:56
um you know, these are fighting games,00:29:58
>> people expected cross-ups and holding00:30:01
back and that was like a skill to be00:30:02
able to like block the correct direction00:30:04
and know what your opponent's going to00:30:06
do in order to like mix you up00:30:08
>> and um and because Mortal Kombat always00:30:11
had the block button, it just never had00:30:12
that aspect of the gameplay. And that00:30:14
became00:30:15
>> a very important part of the game play.00:30:18
We know because of the riots I was00:30:21
mentioning, right? So the it was the00:30:24
injustice thing and this is something00:30:25
this is a bit of research that you came00:30:27
up with or actually maybe more than re00:30:29
just research. You actually played00:30:30
injustice and took it seriously, right?00:30:32
>> I played injustice00:30:34
because it was whole back to block. That00:30:36
was the only reason and that was I00:30:38
thought that could be a a a kind of a00:30:40
bridging experience where I could00:30:42
actually now00:30:43
>> kind of get into the Mortal Kombat scene00:30:46
as well, which I kind of did eventually.00:30:48
>> Yeah.00:30:49
>> Uh but I I played Injustice like as if I00:30:53
was treating it like a Street Fighter or00:30:54
like a traditional whole back to block00:30:56
game. So00:30:58
>> yeah. So um you kind of brought that to00:31:00
my attention and we we had a00:31:02
conversation about it. is very00:31:03
interesting because when you when when00:31:06
you look on the forums, the test your00:31:07
might forums, there are people that were00:31:09
very upset by uh in injustice being a00:31:13
hold back to block game. And this was00:31:14
this is a foreign concept if you're like00:31:16
a street fighter person like like I am.00:31:18
This is like wait what what's wrong with00:31:20
hold back to block? That's how fighting00:31:21
is supposed to be, right? And so I00:31:23
realiz there's like a huge divide here.00:31:26
And this is why hold back to block or I00:31:29
shouldn't say hold back to block but00:31:30
it's not hold back to block is is the00:31:33
category. So originally I was going to00:31:34
put block button game as the category00:31:36
but grand versus is has a block button.00:31:39
>> Eventually many games did take that00:31:41
route as well.00:31:42
>> Yeah. But they have they have hold back00:31:44
to block and block button. But the thing00:31:46
that makes Mortal Kombat the way it is00:31:48
is that not that um not just that it has00:31:52
a block button, but that it also does00:31:54
not have hold back to block. If you just00:31:56
hold back, it doesn't block. That's00:31:58
right. So that's the thing that makes it00:32:00
so so different, right? And so Gran Blue00:32:03
uh versus can still stay in the uh the00:32:05
grounded hold back to block category00:32:07
because it still has that. So that's the00:32:08
distinction that um that I wanted to00:32:11
make that I feel that is really00:32:12
important. But00:32:13
>> and don't get us wrong, we're not saying00:32:14
it's right or wrong. Like it's just a00:32:16
new phenomenon for those who are more00:32:18
experienced in whole backtoblock games.00:32:20
>> Yeah, exactly. And I know that you're00:32:22
you're a multi fighting game specialist.00:32:24
You've played a ton of different00:32:25
>> to adapt to a lot of different00:32:26
mechanics.00:32:27
>> Yeah, you're like Liquipedia has like00:32:28
all these fighting games like wow this00:32:30
damn like >> Yeah, I was surprised they even had a00:32:32
Liquipedia. Thanks for whoever tracked00:32:34
that or if it's like done automatically.00:32:36
>> Dude, you have like Skull Girls like00:32:37
results on there. It's like crazy. You00:32:39
really a lot of different games. Yeah,00:32:41
but um00:32:42
>> but it's uh so that was a great example00:32:45
of um this idea that um I just made up00:32:48
this term uh predator effect, right?00:32:51
>> So I didn't know like what what do you00:32:52
call it when there's something from a00:32:54
different game that causes like some00:32:56
massive chaos and it's hard it's like00:32:58
this different kind of technology or00:33:00
whatever and >> aliens invading Earth and Predator is00:33:03
like a great uh great analogy for that.00:33:06
And so I just I was like, you know what?00:33:08
I'm just going to say predator effect.00:33:09
And people people think it's stupid and00:33:11
it doesn't catch on whatever. But I00:33:12
think it is it's cool to00:33:14
>> if you're into like literacy and like00:33:17
movies, I mean, people get it, right?00:33:19
>> Yeah. And then people Yeah. people00:33:21
people who have watched Predator or I00:33:23
think a lot of people kind of know about00:33:25
Predator, right? So there's it's not a00:33:27
it's not a hard concept to to to grasp.00:33:29
So, that was a great example of a00:33:31
Predator effect because um because00:33:34
Scorpion obviously like his teleport00:33:35
punch like00:33:36
>> it's so broken. The idea when he was00:33:39
announced, people loved it. It's like,00:33:41
"Oh, this is cool." Crossovers like00:33:43
superheroes and uh Mortal Kombat00:33:45
characters. Of course, it's been done in00:33:47
the past, but like once again, this that00:33:49
those weren't popularized, but Injustice00:33:51
was the platform to have that00:33:53
popularized. Yeah. for the casual00:33:56
audience. Great. Competitors also they00:33:59
were anticipating, oh, this could be00:34:00
cool. Like, this could be my new00:34:01
character. And it was also another00:34:04
opportunity I I I would hope I would00:34:06
have hoped that would allow Mortal00:34:09
Kombat players to try the game out even00:34:11
though this is a whole backto block00:34:12
game.00:34:13
>> Um, I'm sure there's a lot of Scorpion00:34:15
fans out there, right? So, I thought00:34:16
that could be another kind of a00:34:18
>> Clash of the two universes opportunity,00:34:21
which is always cool in the fighting00:34:22
games. It's00:34:23
>> hype. Yeah.00:34:24
>> Yeah. But then when the character was uh00:34:27
live for you to download,00:34:29
>> yeah, there was a lot of problems uh00:34:31
being way too busted. Very significant.00:34:34
The spear move00:34:35
>> as well as the teleport move.00:34:36
>> That's scorpion. Scorpion spear and00:34:39
teleport are so iconic. They're classic00:34:41
moves. And00:34:43
>> the thing that made the scorpion00:34:44
teleport kind of work was the was not00:34:46
having to worry about left and right00:34:48
blocking. And so that was this this00:34:51
really this is just like the perfect00:34:52
example to to illustrate why it's00:34:54
important because I think a lot of00:34:55
people who don't play fighting games00:34:56
would just be like well who cares if00:34:57
there's hold back to blocker block00:34:59
button it's not really there's not like00:35:00
a huge difference but this is uh this00:35:03
really illustrates that well and and and00:35:04
I'm glad that that incident happened00:35:07
because uh00:35:08
>> I I was very very angry. That's the00:35:11
first time I felt anger towards a00:35:12
developer.00:35:13
>> Oh man.00:35:14
>> Um it was literally unreactable.00:35:17
>> Yeah. You would see uh scorpion like00:35:20
like a puff of smoke and then00:35:22
disappears. All right, I saw it. I'm00:35:24
going to block the other way. Too late.00:35:26
>> Yeah, >> that was how fast it is. Also, if you00:35:29
blocked it, it was plus on block.00:35:30
>> Yeah.00:35:31
>> Who who comes up with [laughter] this00:35:33
ideas? Yeah. And then eventually it got00:35:36
it slowly got nerfed. Yeah.00:35:37
>> And then uh it got way too nerfed that00:35:40
people ignored the character.00:35:41
>> Oh,00:35:42
>> yeah. That's how it became it became the00:35:44
worst character eventually.00:35:45
>> I did not know that. That's uh that's00:35:47
really interesting. Okay, so it just00:35:48
that design it just seems like Scorpion00:35:51
doesn't really belong in a hold back to00:35:53
block world. At least the Scorpion that00:35:55
we know. Uh obviously you can change the00:35:57
the character's move set enough to where00:36:00
it's just a different function um to you00:36:03
know to use the term function but it's00:36:04
>> and it's like a in in a way if you are a00:36:08
fan of whole back to block games or00:36:10
injustice in general it it's an example00:36:12
where humans have gathered together to00:36:15
beat the predator effect. Yeah,00:36:17
>> the Predator came, created chaos, but00:36:21
eventually we came together or maybe Ed00:36:23
Boon decided that, oh, it's too late. E00:36:26
either the people or God or the god, the00:36:28
creator of the game decided, oh, the00:36:30
predator effect is too much. All right,00:36:32
we're going to just go back to its00:36:34
roots. >> Yeah. And this is not to say that um you00:36:36
know, character that has predator effect00:36:38
is a is a bad design or anything. Uh,00:36:41
well, I mean, it can be bad in some00:36:43
situations, but I guess I think that00:36:45
it's a good way to experiment with game00:36:48
mechanics and and characters.00:36:50
>> Yeah. In the best case of a predator00:36:52
effect, people realize that there's00:36:55
creative ways to defend against it and00:36:57
they find these strategies and they all00:37:00
like find a way to beat the predator and00:37:01
everyone high-fives each other and00:37:03
that's the good case. But, I guess in00:37:05
this case in Injustice, it wasn't one of00:37:07
the the best cases, right? So00:37:10
>> I guess moving forward after that part,00:37:12
there's a part where I kind of round00:37:13
out, you know, the 2D fighting game00:37:15
concept with footsies and just like how00:37:17
the 2D fighting game kind of developed00:37:19
into this game that could be00:37:21
competitive. Yeah. Right. So after that00:37:23
part, I think think we go right into00:37:25
SNK.00:37:27
>> Sure. Just like Mortal Kombat once they00:37:29
starting to introduce plethora amount of00:37:32
fighting games they kind of went with00:37:34
the legacy of the two very iconic titles00:37:37
which is Fatal Fury series and the auto00:37:40
fighting series.00:37:41
>> Yeah. And um those are obviously um00:37:44
projects that were headed by Capcom.00:37:47
>> Actually they were from Capcom. Yeah.00:37:48
>> Yeah. They're from Capcom. So they were00:37:49
uh it was is it Matsumoto Nishyama?00:37:51
>> That's right.00:37:52
>> I think Matsumoto did Art of Fighting00:37:53
and then Nishama did Fatal Fury. Yes.00:37:55
And what's interesting is they they they00:37:57
come from um they were on the Street00:37:58
Fighter one project, right?00:38:00
>> I see. Yeah. Street Fighter one.00:38:02
>> So they're the OGs.00:38:03
>> Yeah. They're the OGs. And Street00:38:04
Fighter 1 had a ton of innovations. That00:38:06
was actually the game. The innovations00:38:07
in Street Fighter 1 are kind of so much00:38:09
of that ended up in Street Fighter 2,00:38:11
but if you play Street Fighter 1, sorry00:38:13
if you like Street Fighter 1, but00:38:15
>> I think it's just the game is just not00:38:18
fully based. >> There's a reason why it's not as popular00:38:20
as Street Fighter 2.00:38:21
>> Yeah. By by a huge margin, right?00:38:23
>> It's just facts. Um but uh but there's00:38:26
like special moves that came to Street00:38:27
Fighter 1. Um the life bar like00:38:29
arrangement. I guess that was in er Kung00:38:31
Fu as well. But there's there's so many00:38:33
things that were in Street Fighter 1.00:38:35
And then these people came to SNK. And00:38:37
of course I think Nishyama was kind of00:38:39
the the head of of Street Fighter 1, the00:38:41
project of Street Fighter 1, right?00:38:43
>> And I feel like he's if you just read00:38:45
his interviews and see what he's done,00:38:47
he definitely strikes me as an00:38:49
innovation game designer. like somebody00:38:52
who really focuses on trying to bring00:38:54
new innovations and experiments a lot00:38:57
and ends up at a lot of dead ends but00:38:59
then ends up revolutionizing games too00:39:02
in a lot of ways where I realized like00:39:04
if you look at Fatal Fury a lot of the00:39:06
things in there are just didn't really00:39:08
make it into you know your standard00:39:11
fighting games. So like00:39:12
>> a lot of things. Yeah.00:39:13
>> Yeah. But if you look at Matsumoto his00:39:16
art of fighting00:39:17
>> Yeah. That stuff made it like like00:39:20
really into the future of fighting like00:39:22
dashing.00:39:23
>> They kind of dashing00:39:25
>> reshaped a lot of things that we still00:39:27
appreciate.00:39:28
>> Yeah. Yeah. Meter.00:39:29
>> Yeah.00:39:30
>> Meter is like that's like in every 2D00:39:32
fighting game now, right?00:39:33
>> Dashing.00:39:34
>> And Nishyama had innovative stuff too,00:39:37
but a lot of it was like there's a00:39:38
two-lane battle system which is00:39:40
>> I don't know that's it just didn't catch00:39:42
on, right? There's hold down forward to00:39:44
to crouchwalk which00:39:46
>> Yeah. you see like Guile had it in00:39:48
Street Fighter 5 kind of00:39:50
>> some characters. >> Yeah, they they they kind of mess with00:39:52
that but it never became like a thing00:39:53
that definitely innovative concepts and00:39:56
ideas. Uh even like the 2v1 um mode,00:40:00
co-op mode where I mean yeah it's00:40:03
>> in the Street Fighter world we like to00:40:04
call that dramatic battle.00:40:06
>> Dramatic battle. Okay. Yeah. But the but00:40:08
I guess one of the issues was I think00:40:09
Nishama wanted to um one of the big00:40:12
contributions of Fatal Fury was um00:40:15
having these characters be really00:40:16
relatable. They wanted to make these00:40:18
bigger than life characters. This is one00:40:19
of Nishama's goals and wanted to have00:40:21
like protagonist protagonist that you00:40:23
can like root for and follow, right? But00:40:25
it didn't help when they seemed like you00:40:28
know a bunch of bullies in that 2v100:40:29
mode. And that's I I put like a a joke a00:40:32
gag in there about that where um I mean00:40:34
if you guys see saw the video there's a00:40:36
gag there but it actually was an issue00:40:38
creatively because it's just not helping00:40:41
your cause of of of sympathizing with00:40:43
these characters. Of course Mortal00:40:44
Kombat has that issue because you can00:40:46
just like there's like family members00:40:48
that are like killing each other in the00:40:49
most gruesome ways that the human00:40:51
imagination has come up with. And so00:40:54
like I I there's like there's some00:40:56
there's a good YouTube video um a while00:40:57
back where somebody mentioned the issue00:40:59
with like being able to do that. I mean,00:41:01
if you're really deep into the lore, I00:41:03
guess it uh Yeah, it's it's a big deal.00:41:05
Like, why would you why would these00:41:07
families go00:41:09
>> Yeah.00:41:10
>> other ways to do this like [snorts]00:41:12
>> Yeah. So, um there there there's kind of00:41:14
the story aspect to fighting games,00:41:16
which which are important. And I think00:41:18
um uh you know, if you look at like out00:41:21
of SNK, the00:41:22
>> you know, Terry Bogart is one of the00:41:24
most iconic characters from you know,00:41:26
SNK fighting games. So, uh we have him00:41:28
in uh Street Fighter 6 now, right? Fatal00:41:31
Fury kind of made it in terms of IP like00:41:34
character-wise.00:41:35
>> Yeah. >> And Art of Fighting kind of made it00:41:37
where uh it revolutionized the fighting00:41:40
game mechanics and systems that we still00:41:43
see to this day, which is very iconic00:41:46
for both uh causes really, character00:41:48
designs and whatnot or even the the the00:41:51
mechanics that go behind it. They're00:41:53
pretty much the ancestors of what we00:41:54
play right now. So,00:41:56
>> yeah. And um this does come from the00:41:58
root of the the grounded fighting game,00:42:00
right? So what brings these all together00:42:02
is the fact that Street Fighter 200:42:05
creators and the ones that came from00:42:06
Street Fighter 1 to SNK,00:42:08
>> they're all playing on this archetype.00:42:10
They're all riffing on this archetype to00:42:11
make00:42:12
>> the grounded fighting game, which00:42:14
>> which has a lot of different things you00:42:16
can do with it, but you have to kind of00:42:18
stick with certain rules like, you know,00:42:20
you can't block in the air, right? So,00:42:22
if you look at like King of Fighters,00:42:23
can't just um pull back in the air and00:42:25
and block things. When you jump, it's00:42:27
kind of a commitment. And what King of00:42:30
Fighters did obviously was, you know,00:42:32
add like short hops and different ways00:42:34
of jumping00:42:35
>> and movement options and of course roll.00:42:37
And that really changes the way the game00:42:40
plays. And it's very different from00:42:42
something like a standard Street Fighter00:42:43
game because of those extra movement00:42:45
options. But you look at the00:42:46
commonalities. The blocking system is00:42:48
the same. There's still cross-ups.00:42:49
There's even like dirtier cross-ups now.00:42:51
Doing a hyper hop crossup is just if you00:42:54
any Street Fighter player who looks at00:42:55
that is like, "Wo, you can do that?" And00:42:57
in that game, he's just like, "Wow,00:42:59
that's disgusting." And of course, the00:43:00
King of Fighters people are like, "Yeah,00:43:02
that's this is what we like." Like this00:43:03
is the00:43:04
>> And then they have the runs, they have00:43:06
the rolls. Um setups can be done with00:43:09
the rolls and like running and hopping.00:43:12
So many movement in a very confined00:43:15
space, but players have come to ways to00:43:18
show it off. Yeah. Yeah. Shiaai versus00:43:21
ET is one of my favorite uh rivalries.00:43:23
It's uh >> it's it's like a festival for KOF00:43:25
players. Like you just want to see them00:43:27
[laughter] in finals and00:43:29
>> they would react to things that like00:43:31
rightfully so like all respect to Street00:43:33
Fighter, but reacting to a hop.00:43:36
>> Yeah. >> Uh to anti-air. Yeah.00:43:38
>> Like say jumps always will usually have00:43:40
a same like a arc or the distance it00:43:44
travels or the height. Yeah.00:43:45
>> So, jumps compared to the older Street00:43:48
Fighters, it's much easier to I believe00:43:50
um Nier in comparison to say Street00:43:54
Fighter 4 and back.00:43:55
>> Yeah. >> Uh but KOF has kept that hops and the00:43:59
hyper hops alive since ever since like00:44:02
KOF95 that they can react to things much00:44:05
faster, I think, because that might be00:44:07
the secret. Yeah.00:44:08
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is a you know,00:44:10
Marvel players always are proud of um00:44:12
their blocking skills, right?00:44:15
So this is where you have like fighting00:44:18
game,00:44:20
right?00:44:22
And this is where this is part of the00:44:25
analogy that there's so many fighting00:44:27
games that a fighting game doesn't00:44:29
really make sense by itself, right? You00:44:30
have to kind of know um about the other00:44:33
games to to see where each game stands00:44:36
and um and its history, right? So00:44:38
>> I think yeah so the the video kind of it00:44:41
talks a lot about uh King of Fighters00:44:44
which is what SNK kind of you know they00:44:46
kind of took all their characters and00:44:48
made made this coalition00:44:49
>> experimented with a lot of mechanics00:44:50
too.00:44:51
>> Yes. Became a flagship game but then00:44:52
like00:44:53
>> something uh awesome happened around00:44:56
that era when um those were you know SNK00:44:59
games and Capcom games were very00:45:00
popular. We had CVS, right? Cap Capcom00:45:03
versus SNK 2. And I felt like00:45:07
>> that is that is a classic uh game that00:45:10
is still played today.00:45:11
>> Um and uh it's you know, you know, I saw00:45:14
it at EVO Japan and and there's like,00:45:17
you know, tons of people turning out for00:45:18
it. It's like a game that will always be00:45:20
there. That's right. >> And always live on. And it's like um for00:45:23
some top players, like OG players that00:45:25
I've talked to, they they rank it as00:45:27
their favorite grounded 2D fighting00:45:30
game. It's like the ultimate 2D fighting00:45:32
game. I wanted to kind of end off that00:45:34
section with that game because I think00:45:36
it's just it is like one of the ultimate00:45:38
there's so many things you can do in00:45:40
that game. There's so many like grooves00:45:42
and it's just like putting everything00:45:44
together. And of course, I think Pat00:45:46
Miller was in the video like Pat Miller00:45:47
is is uh will spread the gospel of CBS 200:45:52
anytime.00:45:53
>> Even even the world's best player, Boss.00:45:55
>> Yeah. He would praise him to be the best00:45:58
US player at this moment.00:46:00
>> At this moment. Yeah. I was We were00:46:01
there. We were00:46:02
>> We were there watching the matches live00:46:04
and that was so awesome.00:46:06
>> Yeah. We were in Japan and um uh00:46:08
>> they were doing the Yeah. This was evil00:46:10
evil Japan. >> Yeah. We went to like Saitama to like go00:46:12
to this arcade. Is the is it like the00:46:15
big one or the >> big one the second or something like00:46:18
that? Yeah. Yeah.00:46:19
>> Yeah. Yeah.00:46:20
>> One of the two.00:46:21
>> Yeah. It was it's a very not easy to00:46:23
remember name but um but it's a it's00:46:25
it's a it's a legendary arcade where00:46:28
>> post a lot of uh professional00:46:29
tournaments fighting games.00:46:31
>> They play like a lot of old school00:46:32
fighting games. They have some newer00:46:33
stuff there too. I think they even saw00:46:35
like fighting ex layer in there. Uh but00:46:37
they you see like I I remember going in00:46:40
there um Mao was playing uh00:46:42
>> Yeah. They were having a ST tournament00:46:44
at the same time.00:46:45
>> Yeah. Yeah. And Ma was just botting00:46:46
everyone with his claw.00:46:48
>> Oh my god. I got to take a photo with00:46:50
him. It was it was star struck moment00:46:53
for me. >> Yeah, Ma was um I remember Mao went did00:46:56
a tour around the United States just00:46:58
>> destroy people with claw. Yeah, just an00:47:00
ST and uh I think he came through Texas00:47:02
at one point and beat my friends and it00:47:04
was uh yeah, it's very um00:47:07
[clears throat] very cool to see him00:47:08
there. But that arcade is uh00:47:10
>> um in that arcade there was Boss uh00:47:13
hosting a CBS 2 tournament. This was00:47:15
around Evo Japan. Um I believe not this00:47:18
year's EVO Japan but the the last year.00:47:20
Yeah, the year before they were doing uh00:47:22
Japan versus the world, I think. Yeah,00:47:25
>> I think we were filming some um stuff00:47:28
with EVO and uh00:47:29
>> Oh, that's right. We we did Evo work00:47:32
there. >> Yeah, that was kind of like one of the00:47:34
small vignette pieces that uh00:47:36
>> um that was uh part of the project. But00:47:39
>> yeah, that was really cool um to have00:47:41
>> Patrick Miller uh on the on the video.00:47:44
He's like the perfect person for it. Of00:47:46
course, Hell Pockets was in the KOF00:47:48
part. I can't think of any. Shout out to00:47:49
Hell Pockets.00:47:50
>> Yeah, I mean, you know, Hell Pockets is00:47:52
is he's a legendary commentator in um in00:47:55
KOF.00:47:56
>> And I think Patrick Miller, Pat the Flip00:48:00
is this online tag. He's coming out with00:48:03
a new book.00:48:05
>> Oh, that's right. I heard about this.00:48:07
>> Yeah. And I actually wrote the forward00:48:10
for it. >> Nice.00:48:11
>> So, um if you guys are listening to00:48:13
this, keep an eye out for that. And00:48:17
yeah, it's a great book. It's a It's a00:48:18
book that's really good for people that00:48:21
want to make fighting games part of00:48:23
their life. Like it's not just about00:48:24
like how do I do a combo. It's00:48:26
>> it's like how do I where do I take this00:48:28
combo? What do I what do I do with this00:48:30
now? Where do I go next? How do I go to00:48:32
my first tournament? What do I need to00:48:33
look out for? What do I need to think00:48:34
about?00:48:35
>> And it's a really great book to kind of00:48:38
look into the culture of um of fighting00:48:41
games and and how you how one gets into00:48:45
it, right? and how one uh00:48:48
>> it's like a whole journey00:48:49
>> enjoys it, right? It's it's like how do00:48:50
you do this journey? And it's like a00:48:52
guide to this journey. And so it's a00:48:55
very interesting book because it's it's00:48:56
unlike anything that I any kind of um00:48:59
writing writings that I've read for uh00:49:01
fighting games in the past. So yeah.00:49:03
Yeah. Shout outs to00:49:04
>> Patrick Miller. And I think this is uh00:49:07
that pretty much wraps up the this part00:49:09
of the every fighting game type00:49:10
explained video. Yeah, this is the00:49:14
we've covered most of the stuff in the00:49:15
the grounded fighting game archetype.00:49:18
>> Well, next is the anime, right?00:49:20
>> I think we can talk about anime stuff00:49:21
next. Anyway, and maybe we can include00:49:24
Marvel in there as well. So, yeah.00:49:25
>> Yeah, you know, thanks to all the00:49:28
patrons and the the YouTube members for00:49:32
making this possible. And um00:49:34
>> we're very excited. I feel like I'm just00:49:36
uh going along with the ride, but I00:49:38
really appreciate this opportunity00:49:39
really. But I do have to work hard to00:49:42
bring you guys some quality content.00:49:44
>> It's really coming through. So00:49:46
>> yeah, we're gonna prepare a lot of stuff00:49:47
for you guys.00:49:48
>> Yeah, I'm really excited to to finally00:49:50
get back into making content again. This00:49:52
is uh like I I you at the time of this00:49:55
recording, I still haven't released the00:49:56
channel update video, but I talk about00:49:58
the situation. So coming soon.00:50:00
>> Yeah. Um if you guys00:50:02
>> already saw that, then you know um how00:50:04
what it means to be uh to make it to00:50:07
this this period of Corey gaming. So,00:50:11
thanks for watching.00:50:12
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Core-A Podcast Season1 Ep1 - CrossUps & Block Buttons Recorded 09 October 2024 ====================== 00:00 Start 00:39 Motivation for making Every Fighting Game Type Explain video 02:21 Block button in Street Fighter? 03:15 Music Analogy to Fighting Games 07:39 Innovator of a new genre 11:49 Popularity 16:22 First ever Overhead move in a fighting game 18:30 Hold back to block 20:00 First ever Crossup detected 23:29 Textbook 2D Fighting game fundamentals 29:04 Dizzy (Stun) and how Ed Boon didn't like them 30:21 Hold back to block in Mortal Kombat? 32:50 Predator Effect 37:38 Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting by Capcom? 45:00 Capcom vs SNK 2 47:56 Masher to Master book by Pattheflip While Gerald and I were producing for the 'Every fighting game types explained' video, there were many ideas, tests and even theorycrafting sessions which had to be done in order to decide what to put on the video and what got cut out. (Otherwise the video could have ended up being like 8 hours long...) Parts that are not directly fighting game related were separately studied in our free time to be used as analogies, comparions and even researches that could have affected and shaped the fighting game communities in the past and the games themselves. For those who enjoyed the video, most of you would already have understood that there were many analogies related to the 'rock music' genre, but at one stage we were also thinking about how the tech company Apple had some things going on with their technology which could relate to how certain features and mechanics worked in fighting games. In hindsight, the only 'phone' related clip we've put in the final edit was the 'dial-up combo' regarding the chain of normal attacks. We also talk about auto-facing, cross-ups, block buttons, Akuma invading Bandai Namco, and Capcom influencing SNK. ==================== ※ "Latest" Full Podcast episodes available at Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/cw/coreagaming Clips of Old & New podcast will be uploaded regularly HERE! at https://www.youtube.com/@CoreALounge ====================================== 🕹️Stream VODs are available on Core-A Gaming Twitch channel. Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/coreagaming ======================================= YouTube Membership for early and extra content: https://www.youtube.com/coreagaming/join X: https://twitter.com/CoreAGaming Discord: https://discord.com/invite/coreagaming Merch: https://coreagaming-shop.fourthwall.com/
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