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The RAM apocalypse continues as RAM
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continues to rise. As RAM prices
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continue to rise, Dell, Lenovo, and
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Framework have all announced price
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increases and other changes due to DRAM
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shortage. Framework investment
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disclosure for Mr. Linus Sebastian says
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their DDR5 memory configs for their DIY
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edition laptops are going to go up by
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50% with possible plans to increase by
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even more later on.
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Dell sent an email to internal employees
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informing of price changes, including
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their Dell Pro and Pro Max notebooks
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going up oh between $520 and $765
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for the 128 gig version or $130 to $230
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for their 32 gig models. with TrendForce
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even predicting that Dell and Lenovo may
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be going backwards and limiting devices
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to only have 8 gigs of RAM and smaller
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storage capacity.
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Discussion question. Good luck
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everybody. How do you stay excited about
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tech? It seems like it's bad news after
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bad news. Uh whether it's hardware
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pricing, shifting subscriptionbased
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models, or even frustrating video game
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news. What keeps you motivated to make
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tech content? Well, uh, that's the
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world, I think. Um, I think it's bad bad
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news after bad news. Uh, whether it's
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pricing of things, everything in the
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world, switching to subscriptionbased
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models or just frustrating news about
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the things that we like. Um,
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>> I'm going to I'm going to come in here
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with a hot take that may actually end up
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being a full video on the channel
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because this is going to this is going
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to ruffle some feathers.
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>> Oh boy. But I think that we in the as
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tech enjoyers
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might just need a bit of a perspective
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adjustment.
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>> Huh. In the grand scheme of things, and
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maybe this is again I'm coming at it
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from my perspective, right? As a '90s
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kid, a gaming computer was like started
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at thousands of '90s.
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And today,
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today in 2025,
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thousands of dollars will get you a sick
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gaming computer. Even in the midst of a
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RAM apocalypse,
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>> there are other challenges that are
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putting pressure on disposable income.
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Uh yeah,
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>> you could I mean you can say it sucks
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but like if you compare it
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>> I don't think saying we need a
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perspective adjustment makes sense
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though when when people's incomes are
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lower relative to costs when things that
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are required for living like uh health
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insurance, housing, um food, all those
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types of things, those costs are going
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way up. Our relative money to spend on
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things is significantly lower. So, we
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don't have the the luxury of spending
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that much on a on a for fun computing
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device may have had in the past.
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>> Let me expand on my point.
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>> Sure. >> Here's another big difference. Compared
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to when I was a kid, when I was a kid,
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if you were using a computer from 10
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years prior,
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>> it was literal garbage.
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>> It was. >> But now you can you can play uh
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relatively modern games. Like I I have
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told the story a few times. I forget
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which game it was. It might have been
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Arc Raiders, but I've been telling the
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story a few times about uh the son of a
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buddy of mine who's playing on a 2500K
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and playing some modern game. I don't
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remember which one it was. Um
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>> so, so here's the so so so that's that's
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the thing.
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>> Is a kid of RAM way too expensive right
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now? Am I paying? So here, hold on. Let
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me know.
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>> Are you guys making that video? Cuz I've
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been refraining talking about the thing
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you're making that not the one you just
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mentioned, but the the one I messaged
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you about, the marketplace one.
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>> Um, possibly. It turns out it might be
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stale already. DDR4 prices are
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skyrocketing. And more importantly, um,
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like AM4 X3D chips are skyrocketing.
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Apparently 5800 X3 going for this.
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hoping we'd make the video before then.
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But
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>> so right now a 16 gig kit of RAM is
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around $200.
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What that means to the budget for like
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the $550
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gaming PC that we built a little while
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ago that we did a video about with an
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ARC GPU and a reasonably priced CPU, a
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kind of value power supply is that you'd
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probably be adding about $1 to $140
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to that budget. So today, in the midst
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of the RAM apocalypse, you can still
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build like a high-end 1080p
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mid-tier 1440p gaming PC for like $700,
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which
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is a lot of money and stuff, but
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compared to just about any other hobby,
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>> tech and gaming have been more
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inflationproof. Like, name one. Name
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anything. Yeah, this was this was a
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really interesting conversation around
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>> uh the price of video games going up.
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>> Yeah,
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>> cuz it's like is it really it just I I
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don't know. I can fully understand
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people still being frustrated. You're
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right.
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>> I think what you're saying is fair, but
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people's ability to buy it
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>> is still non-existent. So, it like
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doesn't really matter.
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>> Like it can be as reasonable as it
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wants. If I don't have the money to buy
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it, it's still
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>> annoying. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. cuz
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like yeah, but you also don't need to
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buy something brand new, which is
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something that we have talked about so
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much on this channel. So that's where
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>> but then you're saying price increases
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for those things are happening as well.
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>> Uh yes, if you go after like the hottest
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items. So if you want to buy like a 5800
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X3D, sure.
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>> But if you know what to look for.
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>> But if you know what to look for, which
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is what we're here for, right?
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>> I feel like DDR4 RAM though, you're not
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really looking for specific parts.
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Everybody's just going to search DDR4.
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>> Um it I don't know. It's that it's the
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RAM that's as bad as the way that the
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>> the platform
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>> components are also going up. So, I need
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to I need to look into it some more.
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This is this is one of those ones that
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we've like we've kind of scrummed what
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we basically want to talk about, but we
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haven't sort of nailed down what the
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exact concept is for the script. I mean,
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I can tell you this much, a secondhand
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kit of DDR4 is definitely going to cost
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you as much as like $60 to $70 less than
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a brand new kit of DDR5, which is a
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significant savings. that is a
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meaningful
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>> still like rightav right I don't know if
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it was right when but like relatively
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short after the announcements of these
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like RAM issues uh if you went on like
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stuff like Facebook marketplace whatever
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you could get a lot of DDR4 for not a
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lot of money uh someone in chat talking
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about DDR3 you're starting to get pretty
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old
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>> I wouldn't go back to DDR3
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>> I I don't I also don't think it's
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necessary to go back to DDR3 uh
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>> it depends where you're hat and stuff.
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>> Fire panda Sasquatch asks, "Where are
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you pulling that from?" I'm looking at
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eBay right now. Um
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um so yeah, I don't know. I think it's
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um I think it's one of those I think
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it's one of those things where we can
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look at what's going on where we've got
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the the COVID crypto winter, you know,
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or so we had the crypto winter which was
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exacerbated by the COVID silicon
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shortage and then we had uh basically a
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multi-year
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sort of recovery from that that as soon
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as it happened literally
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I think it was 3 weeks two or 3 weeks
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after we recorded the MSRP PC video
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where we were like, "Holy crap, for the
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first time in years, you can buy a PC
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where every component is at MSRP." The
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RAM shortage hit, right? And so we can
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we can look at this and we can go, "Oh,
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well, building computers totally sucks
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and we should never do it again."
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>> Yeah, I know.
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>> Um or or hear me out
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just a second here.
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if we actually track compared to quite
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literally anything else, right? Like
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look at what a board game cost.
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>> I I just I I don't even necessarily
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disagree with you, but I I would be
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remiss to not point out that it doesn't
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mean it doesn't suck and it doesn't mean
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that it's not going to push things out
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of
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>> acceptable ranges for people.
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>> Of course it doesn't suck. Or of course
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it of course it sucks. It totally sucks.
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>> I just I think your opening of like
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people need a whatever it was, reality
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check or whatever it was, is just not uh
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>> it's more that I I wish people were a
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little bit more appreciative of the work
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that goes into keeping these things as
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affordable as they are.
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>> We did that recent tour of Kioia.
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They're fab.
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>> Dude, anytime you see a fab at all, it's
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just like, dude, how the hell do I buy
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one of these things for the amount of
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dollars that I get it for? It's crazy.
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>> It's amazing. And so I'm So basically
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what I'm doing is I'm I'm coming fresh
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off of off of the the actual like
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literal miracle like the wonder of the
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world that it is that we can make a
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microprocessor at all.
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And then I'm going over into like
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I'm so angry that the $500 computer is
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now $700
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when a $500 computer
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>> is a miracle in the first place. And so
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is a $700 computer.
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>> That doesn't mean you can't be annoyed
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about like constant extreme collusion
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and all these other things going on. Uh
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but it is still yeah it is still neat
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that our hobby is surprisingly cheap
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>> and the fact that the fact that over the
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last several years we've gotten to the
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point where you literally do not have to
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give Microsoft a hundred of your dollars
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on top of all the hardware you bought
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anymore
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>> Linux
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>> that's so cool like can we just can we
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just take a breath for a second
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>> it could be
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>> and look at the positives
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>> it could be interesting to cuz I I I
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think this event
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>> as hot The used market has gotten it at
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various times. It was mostly just for
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GPUs. I think this event is going to
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crank the used market for practically
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everything doing uh I've done some
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searching since I sent that message.
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Doing a Scrapyard Wars right now would
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just suck. I think to be completely
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honest. Um but I I think it would be
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interesting maybe I don't know if we get
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the clicks but making a video on like
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how to try to validate hardware when
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buying stuff from a used market.
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>> Um as best you can.
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>> No one cared.
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>> No one cares. I try so hard to like
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bring people to the like secondhand
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water. >> There's good water here.
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>> There's really good water here.
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>> Like I did that. >> You just got a drink. Uh, I did I did a
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video called I solved the GPU price
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crisis or whatever where basically I
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just like bought a 3080 secondhand and
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showed how to like, you know, what to
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look for to not get scammed and how to
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how to test it and how to validate it
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before you take it home and like and how
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to how to pick one that has like a
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transferable warranty and like basically
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yeah, it was like a mini scrapyard wars
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of just like buying a GPU. Absolutely
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bombed. Video bombed tank. No one wants
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to hear it.
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>> Dude, I was at I was at Willow
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yesterday. Willow video in in Langley
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based used place. U and I was I was
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showing Emma like somewhat of this
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phenomena because we were there
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together. Uh I don't know if I think
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she's been there before. I'm not sure.
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Uh, but I was pointing out like look,
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there's Spider-Man 2 for PS5 right there
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behind the desk all sealed or there's
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Spider-Man 2 for PS5 right here uh on
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the other side of the counter unsealed
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and there's like a 30 something dollar
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difference. It's the same game.
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Come on. And people will still walk in
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there and just buy the new one. It's
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like damn. I can't I can't
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>> Yeah, >> I can't fathom it. It doesn't um It
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doesn't compute for me.

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