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I want to talk to you about00:00:18
three uh stages of R three steps in so00:00:25
this is for the people learning and00:00:28
practicing uh so in our R program we00:00:32
have three stages first stage when you00:00:36
get to some place is to establish a00:00:39
center of a permanent Center this is our00:00:43
first00:00:44
aim so for example in England we do not00:00:49
yet have a permanent Center uh we do not00:00:52
yet have a permanent Center so we are in00:00:55
our first objective in our first station00:00:59
so how what to do to establish a00:01:02
permanent Center first of all we have to00:01:04
train a maximum of00:01:07
people so usually you have to train00:01:10
about 15 people to get two or three that00:01:13
will continue because everyone has his00:01:16
occupations has his situations to handle00:01:20
so that's it we have to train about 1500:01:23
people to get two or three that will00:01:25
really00:01:27
continue secondly we have to make a00:01:30
campaign as wide as possible as wide as00:01:34
possible uh uh make as wide as possible00:01:38
use Medias as wi as possible treat as00:01:42
many people as possible so that that00:01:45
will create a movement that will00:01:47
continue after us because if I am here00:01:51
and there are not many people coming so00:01:53
by the time I leave there will be00:01:55
nothing left you see and the more we get00:01:59
people to come for treatment and inshah00:02:02
that get cured and they get better so00:02:05
they will be bringing more and more00:02:07
people so it will be movement that is00:02:09
already going and when we speak in00:02:12
medias or in mosques anyway when we00:02:15
speak to people about R some will come00:02:19
and do or learn but many others they00:02:23
have the information so that also is a00:02:27
positive point for us because that00:02:29
information maybe one day he will have00:02:31
someone that needs R he will meet00:02:33
someone asking about R maybe himself uh00:02:36
so that will that is good to be known00:02:39
even if there's no immediate result but00:02:42
at least the information is there in00:02:44
many people's00:02:45
minds00:02:47
and um so this is the second thing we do00:02:51
to establish uh permanent R Center so00:02:56
when I say permanent I mean Ria Center00:02:58
has costs and people are there and00:03:01
people need to live so if there's no00:03:04
people coming so we cannot cover the00:03:07
costs and people will not be earning00:03:09
money so it's going to stop well we00:03:12
believe that R must be taken as a00:03:15
profession we cannot just do it on00:03:17
weekends on evenings and do00:03:20
it we do it but we can't do it for free00:03:24
because there cost and this is how life00:03:27
is so even if you are teaching qu to00:03:30
children with no cost so that cannot00:03:32
continue because you have problems and00:03:35
you have things to solve in your life00:03:36
and you not always get the time and the00:03:39
motivation to do it for free so um and00:03:43
the third point in establishing a00:03:47
permanent Center is to visit the00:03:50
authorities so Islamic religious00:03:53
authorities that is also one thing we00:03:55
must do when we arrive in any country to00:03:59
visit the00:04:01
whatever structure there is because the00:04:04
structure of Islam is different00:04:06
according to all countries so some00:04:08
countries have a pyramidal structure so00:04:11
it's all organized in one uh structure00:04:14
so when you go there if they say okay00:04:16
it's okay for all the mosques it's okay00:04:19
for the Islamic R it's okay for for00:04:22
everything and some other uh places00:04:25
everything is independent so wherever00:04:28
you go you have to negotiate you have to00:04:30
explain so some people will accept some00:04:32
people not accept anyway we have to go00:04:35
to the Islamic leaders we have to go to00:04:38
maximum of Islamic leaders to explain to00:04:40
them because we are here inshallah to00:04:43
work for Islam so we have to help each00:04:46
other with00:04:48
those and uh if we can get their help00:04:51
and assistance alhamdulillah that is00:04:53
what we wish and if not at least they00:04:58
will be aware and they will be aware and00:05:01
they'll be knowing what is happening and00:05:03
even if they don't agree with us at00:05:06
least we will reduce that disagreement00:05:10
at least when we meet them and we say00:05:12
what's wrong they say yes we heard about00:05:14
you this and that and this and that and00:05:16
this so we will remove some of those and00:05:20
maybe some will remain but it is much00:05:22
better to meet them so they know us and00:05:25
they see us and we show that we have00:05:27
nothing to hide that is for sure00:05:29
something is sure anyway that you have00:05:31
nothing to hide because everything we do00:05:34
we we teach it and we leave the local00:05:37
people doing it so there's nothing that00:05:40
I do or my pupils do that we don't show00:05:44
to00:05:45
people uh so we have to visit them well00:05:48
we tried also to visit the rais the rais00:05:51
we try also to visit the rais but uh the00:05:55
fact is that ra is most of the time00:05:59
everywhere in the the world most of the00:06:00
time they are very independent they're00:06:02
very mentally independent everyone is00:06:05
doing his method or could be even00:06:08
keeping his business and that's it but00:06:12
actually uh if we could I remember I was00:06:15
in kaduna in Nigeria and we met Iraqi he00:06:21
is Kazi and he is member of the Shar00:06:24
Committee in kaduna and he told me he's00:06:28
making R for more than 5000:06:30
years he started doing R when he was00:06:35
14 and when he was Ki he even once had00:06:39
judgment with00:06:40
jins there was a problem between men and00:06:42
jins and he made Kaz between men and00:06:46
jins so we met him and I explained to00:06:50
him how we do all our procedures and he00:06:53
told me that I have given him the00:06:56
solution to all the cases he did not00:06:58
find solution for00:07:00
like the grave case like such case such00:07:03
case using the cupping using the00:07:06
symbolic verses Etc so if we can meet00:07:11
this kind of people that are00:07:14
established and if we can give them our00:07:17
methods so we have nothing else to do in00:07:20
this country we can go and they will00:07:23
continue you see well00:07:26
anyway not really because not really00:07:30
because we want to teach lot of people00:07:31
if that person is training and teaching00:07:33
people and spreading this method so then00:07:35
it is finished but if it is only him00:07:38
who's going to do it he will not one00:07:40
person can never be enough so we need to00:07:43
spread this but if you can get those00:07:47
people local people to take it and do it00:07:49
finish well we will move on to different00:07:53
places so I said that to establish a00:07:57
permanent R centers need needs to train00:08:00
a maximum of people needs to make a00:08:04
campaign as large as possible needs to00:08:07
visit Islamic authorities and also local00:08:11
so Islamic leaders we must try to go to00:08:15
all kinds of Islamic leaders you see00:08:18
because each one has people behind him00:08:21
and you see R is needed by everyone it's00:08:24
like if you talk about halal food00:08:26
everyone needs Hal food if you're salafi00:08:30
or Sufi or your Shia or your whatever00:08:33
everybody needs Hal food and when you00:08:36
are selling halal food you don't no00:08:37
you're sh why you come here go go to00:08:40
tesos take your meat no even if he's sh00:08:44
you send your food isn't it so is needed00:08:48
by everyone so if someone if someone00:08:51
wants to be treated by Quran and wants00:08:53
to go away from shik so whatever he is00:08:57
we will treat him even non-muslims as I00:09:00
told you as I said sah treated in two00:09:03
stories non-muslims by Quran one story00:09:07
of the chief of chief of tribe he was CF00:09:12
he was mush he was Idol worshipper and00:09:14
he was bit by a scorpion and they00:09:16
treated him with fa and second story in00:09:19
another tribe sahaba found one man was00:09:22
attached because he was crazy and he was00:09:25
so violent to have attached him and the00:09:27
sahab also treated him with f and he00:09:30
cured so we can treat non-muslims with00:09:34
so what about Muslims that are having00:09:37
sins or even doing sh may Allah00:09:40
tal guide them in guide us00:09:44
all and the fourth point in establishing00:09:47
permanent Ria Center is to visit the00:09:51
local authorities or to say to follow00:09:54
the rules the law uh so it depends00:09:59
places and countries are different but00:10:02
when we are in Africa we will go visit00:10:04
the town hall we'll go visit the police00:10:06
we'll go visit this and that authorities00:10:08
so that they know we're here they do00:10:10
what we're doing and I can tell you that00:10:12
in Africa all those people they badly00:10:14
need so alhamdulillah what nearly always00:10:18
happen in Africa when police and what00:10:21
control us what are you doing papers00:10:22
this and that and we say and we say yes00:10:25
we are here for RO this and that so they00:10:27
finish in inspecting us and then the uh00:10:31
polican please could you come I have a00:10:33
problem with this and that how can you00:10:35
help me out of this alhamdulillah so00:10:38
they become our patients00:10:41
alhamdulillah00:10:43
masallah so what I was00:10:46
saying this is the first stage00:10:49
of now the second stage of once a00:10:53
permanent Center is established second00:10:56
stage is00:10:57
expansion expans00:10:59
expon expansion first of all through00:11:04
geographically uh that means we have if00:11:06
you have one Center in London we will00:11:10
try to establish Center in the other00:11:11
cities in main cities maybe even a00:11:14
second or third Center in London so it00:11:17
will be closer to people north south00:11:20
east west Etc00:11:23
so the uh first point in the expansion00:11:28
is geograph graphically expanded and00:11:31
when we are a group of rais making R00:11:34
together so and training people so we00:11:37
get more people to learn R and we are00:11:40
here train treating people it is normal00:11:44
that we will divide in many centers it00:11:46
is a normal thing you see and inshallah00:11:49
we will try to make00:11:52
it in Brotherhood in Brotherhood00:11:55
actually the way to uh the way to lead00:11:58
the Ria Center there are two ways it can00:12:01
be led as an association that means as a00:12:04
group uh how do you say an association00:12:07
like a trust like a group you see and it00:12:10
can be led like a a personal a personal00:12:14
business that mean I am thei and you00:12:16
people are working for me helping me and00:12:19
I am it is my place it is my and you are00:12:22
my00:12:23
employees it could be that way and it00:12:25
could be a group way that we are a group00:12:28
and we have taking this place together00:12:30
we Mak Ro together actually the business00:12:33
way is better because you have one00:12:35
responsible if police comes he is the00:12:38
one who's going to speak to them if00:12:39
whatever happens he's the one if he's00:12:41
going to fight with someone that person00:12:43
is going to go he's going to stay so he00:12:45
has the full responsibility you see when00:12:47
the responsibility is divided between00:12:50
people it's not easy to get things going00:12:54
but two ways are00:12:57
possible so when it gets to multiply the00:13:01
centers it is better to keep working00:13:05
together that means for example if00:13:07
someone starts his treatment here and00:13:09
continues his treatment on the other00:13:11
side it will be the same thing we'll00:13:13
take him will not charge him again you00:13:15
see if uh Etc any for example if there's00:13:20
going to be a campaign or publicity00:13:23
we'll do it together and we'll say that00:13:25
we have so many centers so wherever you00:13:27
are go to this closest Center instead of00:13:31
instead of each one making his own00:13:33
adment on his own and we will be00:13:35
thinking of developing the together even00:13:39
if there are many centers and00:13:41
financially of course each Center will00:13:43
be independent so if your Center is not00:13:45
working you're not getting enough people00:13:47
it's up to you to think what is the00:13:48
problem and how can you communicate more00:13:51
Etc so this is the first point in00:13:54
expansion geographical expansion second00:13:58
point is expansion through the Medias00:14:01
that means we are going to try to go00:14:04
into all kinds of Medias if you have if00:14:08
we have uh a normal way of um of00:14:14
communicating for example we have our00:14:16
big mosque our big Central mosque that's00:14:18
where we always make alhamdulillah and00:14:21
people are coming so we must think of00:14:24
other kinds of Medias like press like00:14:27
radios like other mosques Etc why00:14:30
because each media has some people00:14:32
listening to it or reading it and that00:14:35
will bring new people and Subhan Allah00:14:38
for example the country where we have00:14:40
done most campaigns is Ivory Coast we00:14:42
have done so much campaigns radio00:14:45
television etc etc yet every time we go00:14:49
we find people that never heard of it00:14:51
you see we are making campaigns we think00:14:53
that the whole country is following us00:14:55
as if it was elections for president but00:14:59
you'll always find people that never00:15:00
heard of anything and they are suffering00:15:02
for years and they couldn't find someone00:15:04
to tell them where to go so there are00:15:07
always people that never heard about00:15:09
it so this is the second point in00:15:13
expansion and the third point is00:15:16
collaboration with medical with medical00:15:19
Corps and this is very important thing00:15:23
collaboration with medical Corps the00:15:26
point is that we have many patients that00:15:28
have medical issues it's not the main00:15:31
issue the main issue we have is00:15:33
blockages in life people not being able00:15:35
to get married not being able to to work00:15:38
the money is wasted Etc then the second00:15:40
issue is the health issue and00:15:43
alhamdulillah many people get healed00:15:46
after coming to us but they have spent00:15:49
so much time and maybe so much money00:15:51
well maybe here I don't know if healthc00:15:53
care is free or taken in charge but in00:15:56
other countries it's totally private so00:15:59
if you have money you get treated if you00:16:01
don't have money you don't don't get00:16:02
treated Subhan Allah it is terrible W in00:16:06
some countries even00:16:09
accident uh if the ambulance comes you00:16:12
have to pay for your injection for thing00:16:14
to be taken care of otherwise you going00:16:16
to stay there even if you need operation00:16:18
for example woman uh needs a operation00:16:22
to give birth if they don't bring the00:16:24
money they'll not get operation they'll00:16:26
let her die that's how it is00:16:29
many countries are like that you have00:16:32
the money you do it you don't have the00:16:34
money you die mallah so I mean in those00:16:38
countries people who go through00:16:40
medication they are exhausted exhausted00:16:43
financially and all the00:16:46
family there's a phenomenon in Africa00:16:49
when someone becomes ill all the family00:16:51
runs away from him and when he dies all00:16:54
the family arrives why because when he's00:16:58
ill everybody will be asked to00:17:00
contribute to treat him and when he's00:17:03
dead now everybody wants to share now to00:17:06
take a part of his uh what he has00:17:10
left Allah take pity on us so so so um00:17:17
so we want so the idea is that can we00:17:21
not reach those patients who are looking00:17:25
into Medical Solutions and not finding00:17:27
any can we not preach them uh so that00:17:30
they stop losing time and come to us so00:17:34
so we try to contact doctors doctors or00:17:38
any medical uh person uh could be nurses00:17:42
it could be pharmacist it could be um00:17:46
Hospital directors and tell them what we00:17:49
are doing and which kind of people we00:17:52
treat and this is the results we have00:17:54
led to so if they have these kind of00:17:57
patience they will send them to us00:17:59
so you see it can be just be done00:18:01
individually I mean we are here a doctor00:18:04
comes what is you doing this is what00:18:06
you're doing this that oh that's very00:18:07
interesting I have some patients that we00:18:10
don't find solution I'll send them to00:18:11
you so it could just be done00:18:13
individually now now it could be done on00:18:16
a stage that is much more organized for00:18:19
example in many countries you have00:18:21
Islamic medical associations you have uh00:18:25
is Muslim doctors that have an00:18:28
association and they discuss different00:18:31
kinds of issues so we can contact them00:18:34
and try to show them what we're doing so00:18:37
they send people to us and when you do00:18:39
that really doctors most of the time are00:18:42
very happy because they know themselves00:18:44
that these people we don't have solution00:18:47
you see and a doctor is not proud of00:18:49
himself when he gives medicine to00:18:52
someone or gives him some very costing00:18:56
uh examination to do and finds nothing00:18:59
now sometime they will even do operation00:19:01
and find nothing I had one patient he00:19:04
the doctor opened his tumy his tummy I00:19:07
did not find nothing and so his St it00:19:09
back so how can you be a doctor with all00:19:12
those years of study opening someone's00:19:15
stomach and closing it for nothing it is00:19:21
I00:19:22
mean it is really a problem so most of00:19:26
the time the doctors they are happy to00:19:27
find the solution and very often they00:19:30
know it is something Mystic something of00:19:33
Jadu and Jin but they don't have a00:19:35
solution to give to the person they00:19:36
can't tell him go to the sorcer or go to00:19:40
the uh to the temple or even if this00:19:45
sometimes they will send them to rais00:19:47
and those rais will hit them very hard00:19:49
and take much money of them and not give00:19:51
any00:19:52
result so so very often even if they00:19:57
know it should be treated by Quran but00:20:00
they have no00:20:01
solution and even psychiatrics Subhan00:20:05
Allah I was thinking that00:20:07
psychiatrics they will not like what00:20:09
we're doing because we're going to ruin00:20:11
their job totally and once I had the00:20:14
conference with the Psychiatry and he00:20:16
started by explaining the symptoms of00:20:19
his patients people come this is this00:20:22
list of all the symptoms they have it is00:20:25
exactly the symptoms we00:20:27
have there's Only One symptom they don't00:20:30
consider which is the dreams they don't00:20:33
ask him what is he dreaming about but00:20:36
all the rest all the symptoms they use00:20:38
it is our symptoms that means it is00:20:40
exactly the same people that go to00:20:43
psychiatric and and that come to00:20:46
us so it is the same people and they00:20:49
have no explanation of their illness no00:20:53
explanation all the explanations they00:20:56
can think of maybe he was shocked Maybe00:20:58
his parents died maybe it's poverty00:21:01
maybe this or that H so all those00:21:04
explanations they check they find it00:21:07
does not00:21:08
match you have people that were shocked00:21:10
people that were not shocked people poor00:21:12
people that are rich Etc so there's no00:21:14
match so there's no explanation00:21:17
whatsoever to this situation and third00:21:20
Point there's no treatment there's no00:21:24
cure only those chemicals they give to00:21:28
stop the brain functioning is to inhibit00:21:31
it so that the hormones that come in the00:21:33
blood will not act so the person will be00:21:36
calm so their aim is to stabilize the00:21:39
person and I remember that uh doctor he00:21:43
have he had a catalog of the people he00:21:46
had treated and there was this guy he00:21:49
was totally dirty with torn clothes00:21:53
attached with a chain and then they00:21:56
cleaned him up they they cut his b his00:21:59
hair and put him nice clothes and he was00:22:01
there you see but it is the same person00:22:04
I told him but this is only the uh how00:22:06
do you say the outside you only changed00:22:09
uh Lop the rapper H I said you only00:22:13
changed the rapper I said yes that's00:22:15
good isn't it a good result that's just00:22:18
a human help H not to leave him in that00:22:22
dirt and that stuff and we give him00:22:24
medicine so he starts acting crazy00:22:26
starts hitting people stops hitting00:22:29
people stops acting crazy and now he's00:22:31
calm he can eat he can stay still00:22:33
alhamdulillah this is good result it is00:22:36
good result it's better than how he00:22:39
was yet they don't hope any cure for00:22:42
them he told me even if 20 years later00:22:46
he will stop taking that drugs he will00:22:49
become the same as the first00:22:51
day I said Subhan Allah all these years00:22:54
of study all this money investment all00:22:57
these hospitals psychiatric hospitals00:23:00
for that just to keep people stable uh00:23:04
make their mind sleep so I thought that00:23:09
these psychiatrics if we can show them00:23:12
that we can treat those people and turn00:23:14
them back into normal as they were00:23:16
before getting ill they would not like00:23:18
it because we want to take all their00:23:20
patients but actually the psychiatrics00:23:22
were very interested in what we're doing00:23:24
and they told us that in modern00:23:27
Psychiatry uh that what they say now is00:23:30
that people of other cultures than the00:23:33
white people than the Western people00:23:36
because they are Western people that's00:23:38
where sakat was developed and then they00:23:41
discovered that their theories do not00:23:43
work for other people for black Indian00:23:47
Arab people for other kinds of people00:23:49
their science does not work does not00:23:51
give result because those people believe00:23:54
in different things and they say they00:23:56
say yes it is the Gin in me I don't have00:23:58
psychological problem someone made Jed00:24:01
on me so they said when the patient says00:24:04
that we are00:24:05
stuck we have to find someone who has00:24:09
the same culture as him who will treat00:24:12
him by his own way until he will tell00:24:14
him that now Shan is finished and Jadu00:24:17
is finished and you are fine and that is00:24:19
when our medicine will work on him and00:24:21
he will be cured I said very fine00:24:24
alhamdulillah so you can send them to us00:24:26
and we will remove that Jadu and Shan00:24:29
whatever and then he'll be cured now00:24:31
alhamdulillah if they take it that way00:24:34
very good but now you have to see a00:24:37
psychiatric on his00:24:39
personal point of view if I am working00:24:42
on myself or I have my psychiatric00:24:45
hospital if I can find a way to cure00:24:48
those people if I can kind find a good00:24:50
man a good healer that will remove those00:24:53
sh and Jin and people crazy people00:24:55
coming to me will be cured so my uh00:24:59
Clinic is going to go very high and my00:25:02
name is going to become very big you see00:25:04
and that's what interested them00:25:07
alhamdulillah it is also good for us00:25:09
because when he's going to do that all00:25:11
the other psychologist are going to say00:25:12
but how is he doing we must have a look00:25:14
at that H he called the Raa people we00:25:17
also are going to call the Raa people00:25:19
and that's it mashallah alhamdulillah so00:25:23
uh we are in the expansion with00:25:27
doctors so for this expansion we have00:25:31
put we have set up two papers one paper00:25:34
is the relation between medicine and uh00:25:38
between medicine and R that explains00:25:41
what kind of illnesses are due to Jin00:25:46
and Jadu and so we give this paper to00:25:50
doctors so they can see what we are00:25:53
treating and they can confirm that truly00:25:57
these things do not match with our00:25:59
medicine these are the cases that we00:26:01
don't have solution for and we have a00:26:03
second paper that we have made it is a00:26:07
leaflet uh to deposit in doctor's um uh00:26:13
how do you say cabinets huh surgeries00:26:16
surgeries surgeries yes or Pharmacists00:26:20
and it is entitled do you suffer from a00:26:23
uh Mystic disease okay and this is how00:26:28
you can recognize and this is how you00:26:29
can treat yourself Etc so that people00:26:31
who go to doctors well they can think00:26:34
maybe my illness is not normal so00:26:37
they'll just have a look at it and see00:26:39
if that matches with their situation so00:26:41
these are two things we have done and00:26:44
there's another approach to Medical uh00:26:46
to medical field it is the institutional00:26:50
approach the institutional approach what00:26:52
is it about since year 2000 OMS in00:26:57
French uh uh World Health Organization00:27:00
is that it wh uh it is the organ of00:27:04
United Nations for health they have made00:27:08
a program in Africa to um00:27:13
officialize the traditional healers so00:27:17
finally they understood that they have00:27:18
made a big mistake in Africa is to bring00:27:21
all the Western medicine and to wipe out00:27:25
all the traditional medicine and maybe00:27:28
in that traditional medicine there are00:27:30
things that are wrong but there have to00:27:32
be things that are right and for some00:27:35
local diseases that are not well mized00:27:38
in the west those local solutions could00:27:40
be better so now they have come back to00:27:43
that you see and they have made this00:27:45
program to officialize traditional00:27:47
healers and this program is in three00:27:50
steps first step to register them so00:27:55
they ask the traditional healers to come00:27:57
to the uh Health uh Ministry Health uh00:28:01
services and to register as a00:28:03
traditional healer and to say what kind00:28:05
of things he's treating second is to00:28:09
observe them and train them they will00:28:12
get training on some Modern00:28:15
uh understanding of medicine also00:28:18
training on uh how to hold his papers00:28:22
and his uh how to have how to hold it um00:28:27
uh uh how how to hold it in a modern way00:28:31
to have everything registered and so00:28:33
that his results will be there and he00:28:35
will be having followup of his patients00:28:37
Etc and if the uh Health authorities00:28:41
will come visit him they must find00:28:44
what's going on there you see so he will00:28:46
get this double this double uh training00:28:50
on medical side and on uh management huh00:28:56
management management yes and on man00:28:58
management side and then they're going00:29:00
to check everything he's doing and all00:29:02
the products he uses they're going to00:29:04
check them if they don't have anything00:29:06
bad or maybe it could be bad for00:29:08
pregnant women or such and such cases00:29:10
Etc and if they see that his work is00:29:13
positive so he's going to become an00:29:15
official healer and the Social Security00:29:19
will will take that in account and he00:29:21
will be so if you go there uh it will be00:29:25
your Social Security will pay for that00:29:28
Etc and he will could have he can even00:29:31
be uh he can even go work inside the00:29:33
hospital Etc because his work is00:29:37
efficient this is this is the program00:29:40
that wh has made for00:29:44
Africa and this program we are the ones00:29:48
who need to benefit from it00:29:51
most because I don't think there are00:29:54
there's any traditional healer that has00:29:56
better results and that that is more00:29:58
organized than us you see and so we have00:30:03
tried we have gone in this path in00:30:06
Africa well I don't know now in Western00:30:09
countries what is possible to do it will00:30:11
have to be it will have to be checked00:30:14
out yet it can only be done when stable00:30:19
centers are here because if you are now00:30:21
here and we go to doctors and say00:30:24
Retreat this and then say okay where can00:30:26
I send the people who are you now00:30:28
nothing so if we can't do it we first00:30:31
have to have a center and many centers00:30:34
Etc then we can say that this is what00:30:36
we're doing H00:30:40
uh so we have for example we went in00:30:45
Aban a coast to one of the biggest00:30:47
hospitals and the director of that00:30:50
hospital was previously air of uh00:30:55
Islamic student jamaat got it the00:30:58
Islamic student Society there uh so he00:31:02
was Mah Mah and working for Dean Mah now00:31:05
he's director of a very big hospital so00:31:08
we showed him what we're doing he said00:31:11
he's going to meet with the chief with00:31:13
the directors of the different services00:31:16
and tell them with the Muslim directors00:31:20
and tell them to send us the cases that00:31:23
correspond to what we say such and such00:31:26
cases that they have have they will send00:31:28
us and if the result is positive they00:31:32
will open us one00:31:35
um an office inside the00:31:38
hospital you00:31:40
see so that now we are with our R team00:31:44
in the hospital and if someone goes for00:31:47
stomach problems and the doctor say it's00:31:49
not normal he's going to tell him well00:31:51
go to those people first and when you'll00:31:53
finish there you come back to me any00:31:55
woman that cannot have children and and00:31:57
if the doctor sees that this is not00:31:59
normal he would send there to us etc etc00:32:02
and mallah mallah we'll be there making00:32:06
making money official people mallah paid00:32:09
by Social Security alhamdulillah working00:32:12
with Quran in hospital mallah taking uh00:32:16
taking for example students that are00:32:18
making their studies their uh how do you00:32:20
say that research Etc they'll come make00:32:23
their research with us to see how these00:32:25
things get cured Etc mAh what can we00:32:29
hope better than00:32:30
this so This is How we get to be00:32:33
officialized and now there's only one00:32:35
country who reached that it is gin kakri00:32:39
they have got officialized mashallah and00:32:42
uh for example what happened in Guin00:32:45
kakri in in all countries in all00:32:49
countries in Africa you get epidemy of00:32:53
epileptic crisis with with girls in00:32:56
schools you get schools where 20 30 4000:33:00
girls fall uh have crisis in the uh00:33:05
between the classrooms in the when they00:33:08
are outside in the00:33:10
court and of course it's not medical00:33:13
issue nothing so what happens so those00:33:16
people the directors and the parents Etc00:33:19
so they will get traditional healers00:33:21
they'll get Sorcerers and they'll tell00:33:23
them that these Gins you are you have00:33:25
come on their land and they're asking00:33:27
you to give sheep and to give them this00:33:28
and that and they're going to do those00:33:30
sh sacrifices and that's it because what00:33:32
other solution that's all they can do00:33:35
about it so when we come alhamdulillah00:33:38
we get those J we convert them and we00:33:40
turn those girls into catchers and00:33:42
masallah and all the situation has00:33:44
changed now that happens in all00:33:46
countries but in Ginia kakri it happens00:33:49
in all schools in each School you get00:33:53
that it is a so much sh so much shik uh00:33:58
you get it in each school and so the00:34:01
brothers there uh mashallah they made00:34:03
the conference on the subject and they00:34:05
got people from the ministry of women00:34:08
the Ministry of Education and the00:34:10
Ministry of Health and they got uh three00:34:13
televisions to come and radio Etc and00:34:16
while they were doing the conference00:34:17
some girls were there starting having00:34:19
crisis so they brought them in front and00:34:22
they catch catch catch the Gins until00:34:24
they were okay so mashallah it was clear00:34:28
demonstration uh and the lady from the00:34:31
woman's woman's uh Ministry said she's00:34:34
going to pay us to treat all the schools00:34:37
in the00:34:39
country you00:34:41
see so that is the only place that has00:34:44
that is recognized officially as a00:34:46
medical om uh NGO as a medical NGO the00:34:54
group uh so uh and there's more about it00:34:59
you know this program of00:35:02
wh World Health Organization so we are00:35:06
going to register the traditional00:35:09
healers then we are going to train them00:35:13
on management and on medical issues then00:35:17
we're going to observe their methods and00:35:19
if the result is positive we will00:35:22
officialize00:35:23
them that's what they say but what they00:35:26
don't say if the result is negative00:35:29
we're going to forbid them that's clear00:35:32
you see so that is what it is leading to00:35:37
if these people are harming the00:35:39
population they're doing things wrong00:35:42
they're dangerous we're going to stop00:35:44
them now in the first time in the first00:35:48
period we ask we ask them to come that00:35:51
we're going to help them come and00:35:53
register but one time is going to arrive00:35:57
where we we going to say that those who00:35:59
have not registered now they're not00:36:01
allowed to practice why are you hi00:36:05
hiding we are here to help you come show00:36:08
what you're doing make it transparent00:36:10
we're going to help you now if you're00:36:12
not coming not showing that means you're00:36:15
suspicious and now you're not allowed to00:36:18
practice just have to come and register00:36:19
and show what you're doing and we're00:36:20
going to come and see and this is when00:36:24
we're going to catch the sorcerers you00:36:27
see00:36:28
this is when we're going to catch them H00:36:32
because many of these countries have00:36:33
Muslim people even Christian people can00:36:36
fight the00:36:37
sorcerers even Christian people and even00:36:40
in Christianity sorcery is a satanic00:36:43
thing so this is when because in those00:36:47
countries we have Muslim people and00:36:50
Muslim di that are inside that are00:36:53
inside the00:36:55
ministry and they can push in that uh00:36:59
those00:37:00
procedures until they catch the00:37:03
sorcerers and they forbid them and they00:37:05
condemn them that we're going to00:37:07
understand that all these people getting00:37:09
ill this is why it is because of those00:37:12
people they are the ones doing all that00:37:15
and we're going to stop them you00:37:18
see so this is the third point in00:37:21
expansion00:37:23
of it is the uh working with the health00:37:27
services so now as Britain is concerned00:37:32
alhamdulillah there is a special00:37:34
situation in Britain is that the cupping00:37:36
is officially00:37:39
recognized yeah C cing is officially00:37:42
recognized alhamdulillah but of course00:37:45
there's some legal procedures to follow00:37:47
so so we are asking all the people who00:37:51
learn and want to practice R in our00:37:54
method because in our method cing is00:37:58
necessary absolutely necessary so to do00:38:01
what you need to do to get your cing00:38:05
diploma uh and alhamdulillah we have00:38:08
brothers that have cing centers and that00:38:10
can deliver this00:38:12
diploma and costs are very various so00:38:15
the lowest cost we heard about is00:38:18
£300 so that is accessible uh to00:38:23
everybody so that's so if because if you00:38:27
are working in a not official way so we00:38:31
cannot go anywhere it's just for00:38:33
surviving but they cannot be any00:38:36
expansion and we'll always be hiding00:38:38
from the authorities Etc anyway00:38:41
alhamdulillah we are helping people not00:38:43
doing something bad but I mean that is00:38:46
just as a start because we can't start00:38:49
there's no no other way to start uh but00:38:53
we have to go towards the official thing00:38:56
so once we have a ENT to now the00:38:58
solution for the for the future of Ria00:39:02
in00:39:03
England actually is to work with cing00:39:07
centers it is much easier to add Rya00:39:11
into a cing center than to add cupping00:39:15
into a ria Center you see if you go to00:39:18
raia Center you said you should do00:39:19
cupping wow that's going to change all00:39:22
their00:39:23
organization but if you go to cing00:39:26
Center and said you should do that is00:39:29
possible it's not that difficult you see00:39:32
so that is the way so once we have that00:39:35
once we have this Center making cing and00:39:39
so they can register their alhamdulillah00:39:42
results and go to doctors and whatever00:39:45
they will go to and say this is what we00:39:47
treat and this is the results we have00:39:49
and that procedures will00:39:52
follow at least in a first stage they00:39:54
can contact Muslim doctors to tell them00:39:57
that if you have these kind of cases you00:39:58
can send them to us and mashallah so the00:40:03
fourth point in expansion I told you00:40:05
expansion is geographic through Medias00:40:08
expansion through relations with uh00:40:10
medical corpse and fourth expansion is00:40:13
with and imams ands and anyway we say00:40:18
religious00:40:20
Corps religious corpse H uh mashallah so00:40:26
the religious corpse the imams andas and00:40:28
mutis Etc of course the they are uh it00:40:33
is even better to have the IM that is00:40:35
doing this but we cannot say everybody00:40:39
would say it is better to have the Imam00:40:40
making da it is better to have the Imam00:40:43
preaching for this cause Etc but the00:40:45
imams cannot get involved in everything00:40:48
and anyway but we have a special program00:40:52
a special training program for the00:40:54
religious corpse and this program is in00:40:56
three stages you see mallah everything00:40:59
is so00:41:00
mathematical uh this program is in three00:41:03
stages first stage is understanding the00:41:07
subject okay and we want all imams ands00:41:12
to understand the issue of and also of00:41:17
sh and we would like to have this uh00:41:22
included in religious00:41:24
courses you see how bad00:41:27
the problem of Jin and sorcery is and00:41:30
shik and how can someone be and not00:41:33
understand anything about00:41:35
it Subhan Allah you are here to lead00:41:38
people to you are responsible of the00:41:40
religion of people that are behind you00:41:42
because who's teaching them religion00:41:44
it's you and this is something you don't00:41:47
know of so so much importance huh we00:41:51
would like it to be included in uh in00:41:55
Islamic Studies but anyway way we try to00:41:58
train imams on this so what is this00:42:01
understanding of the subject it is00:42:03
actually the00:42:06
the the teaching the course the Bayan uh00:42:09
the lecture I give in all00:42:13
places understanding that and Jin are a00:42:16
reality what are the symptoms how to00:42:18
treat oneself how to fight the Gins and00:42:21
how to protect yourself and what is the00:42:24
shik so this is the basic understanding00:42:27
of the subject the second level of00:42:30
training for imams and religious Corps00:42:34
is what you can do to treat someone00:42:37
without taking00:42:39
risk without taking a00:42:42
risk and when does the risk start the00:42:45
risk start when you read Quran on the00:42:48
patient because that's when you are00:42:49
burning the gin and the Jin can come to00:42:52
take revenge on you so what can you do00:42:55
without reading Quran or the p00:42:57
you can write Quran give him the paper00:43:01
he will dute it in water and do00:43:04
treatment with that and you will tell00:43:06
him to buy s and he's going to take the00:43:09
S and eat it and he's going to spray his00:43:11
house with that water and you're far00:43:13
away you just wrote you just wrote those00:43:16
those that paper so the Gins will not00:43:18
come up to you H and also you're going00:43:23
to prepare oil so now the oil either you00:43:25
tell him to buy one bottle of oil or you00:43:28
take many bottles if you have many00:43:30
people you read on them all oil incense00:43:33
if you want to you prepare that so you00:43:34
give them that and you hand write the00:43:37
sheet of Quran so that sheet of Quran00:43:40
you must00:43:41
write the three mus versus and the three00:43:44
to colonize the water then you add the00:43:47
verses according to the symptoms of the00:43:50
person so you have the 45 verses and00:43:53
what sorcery that is corresponding to00:43:57
and uh how can you recognize it and when00:43:59
the person says I have this I dream this00:44:01
I have such problem so you just add00:44:04
versus versus verses and then you said00:44:06
this is your treatment okay so this will00:44:09
be very helpful for00:44:12
people yet it's not enough because00:44:15
there's no cupping so instead of the00:44:17
cupping you're going to tell people to00:44:19
insist with the oil so the place you00:44:22
have pain you're going to insist rubbing00:44:24
into the oil you can rub it morning and00:44:26
evening evening to make it more00:44:28
efficient it is to replace the cing yet00:44:32
it will be very helpful for people it00:44:35
will give some money to imams uh and00:44:38
this is normal thing and this money00:44:41
problem leads many people00:44:43
to isn't it and a different situation00:44:46
and Mah I was giving course for imams in00:44:49
London and one told me that he's00:44:52
teaching children in house and the00:44:54
parents tell him please blow on him read00:44:57
something blow on him so he reads he00:44:59
blows on the child then the parents tell00:45:01
him what did you find what did you00:45:04
find he does not know what to say you00:45:07
see so you see such a person if he has a00:45:11
minimum understanding he can help them00:45:14
and alhamdulillah those children will be00:45:16
cured will be better and mallah he will00:45:20
get some a little bit of money and that00:45:23
will stop the parents going somewhere00:45:25
else and spending more money00:45:27
and falling into sh you see and I tell00:45:31
them alhamdulillah this money will have00:45:33
a lot of Barat00:45:35
because it is treating people with Quran00:45:40
and people are going to get better it's00:45:42
going to help them a lot and increase00:45:44
their Iman because they see that Quran00:45:47
is curing and stopping them going into00:45:50
sh and the third level of training for00:45:53
imams and religious Corps is the full00:45:55
training that we do to everybody so00:45:57
coming and doing the hij reading Etc and00:46:01
gin catching Etc okay so this is the00:46:05
second stage in which is the expansion00:46:09
and the third stage in we're not there00:46:11
we're in the first stage in England00:46:13
we're in the first stage but even if you00:46:16
are in the first stage it is very good00:46:18
to understand where we are going what's00:46:21
are our aims H so we know that so we00:46:25
know what so we know that we must go00:46:27
quickly to reach their aims and not just00:46:30
sit there and that's all we know about00:46:32
it and so the third stage in is00:46:37
eradication eradication00:46:40
of and00:46:43
of and all kinds of shik all kinds of00:46:48
shik because any shik involves jins and00:46:51
Sh00:46:53
eradication this is the third stage00:46:57
and how do we proceed how do we proceed00:47:00
for the00:47:02
eradication of Gins of sorcery and shik00:47:07
so there are many points and it's mostly00:47:10
a question of gin catching the first00:47:13
point is through the00:47:15
patients so any patient who come we will00:47:19
remove inshallah the Gins that are with00:47:21
him in his house in his family and in00:47:25
his work00:47:27
now is a lot related to00:47:31
work is very much related to jobs that00:47:35
means some for example uh many00:47:40
uh many businessmen make to get clients00:47:45
in shops Etc so if you are selling00:47:48
something you have a shop and there are00:47:50
many shops around you so you will be00:47:53
affected by all the the other shops do00:47:57
there can be some done to ruin your00:47:59
business but the they do to make their00:48:02
business run that will take off your00:48:04
clients to take them to them so you'll00:48:08
be affected even if it's not made00:48:10
against you uh so when someone comes we00:48:14
make sure we take all the Gans that are00:48:16
related to his00:48:18
workplace and that's going to affect all00:48:20
the other00:48:21
ones and when we do that that will they00:48:24
will go against because that's what's00:48:26
what we what we do every time after we00:48:30
convert them to Islam then we00:48:32
read fight the allies of the devil so00:48:35
they see that the allies of Shan are the00:48:37
the sorcerers and the people using so00:48:40
they go back against the people they00:48:42
were working for so all those who have00:48:45
constructed their lives and their wealth00:48:47
and their power on sorcery and gin00:48:49
they're going to break they're going to00:48:52
fall you see for example before summer00:48:56
we had uh one or two patients that00:49:00
worked for00:49:01
BBC and that were00:49:04
um they were fired from00:49:08
BBC and so we made the catching and they00:49:12
gave us the names of the responsible etc00:49:13
etc that was in00:49:16
June so you saw what happened to00:49:19
BBC did everybody see huh that uh uh who00:49:25
was uh abusing of children and so many00:49:28
responsibles implicated inside Etc and00:49:32
they said those satanic people making00:49:34
Satanic rituals with children so you see00:49:36
jins have come converted came back00:49:39
against them and that thing fell00:49:43
down so this is the eradication00:49:47
program anybody who comes we try to ask00:49:51
about his job what do you do so if you00:49:54
see that that job is very much related00:49:57
because it depends some it's not00:49:59
everywhere for example football plenty00:50:02
of in football politics that is the most00:50:07
that is the most where there is00:50:10
sorcery so whenever we get some person00:50:13
and in his workplace there's some some00:50:16
issue related to that so for example00:50:20
there's a policeman that is our patient00:50:23
and his job is to catch child abusers00:50:27
you see that's his job so I told him the00:50:30
people you are chasing give us the list00:50:33
we're going to remove their Gins inah00:50:36
you'll see what's going to00:50:37
happen once we were in Nigeria in Abuja00:50:41
the capital city and we were traveling00:50:44
by night there were lots of prostitutes00:50:47
so we made gin catching for the00:50:48
prostitutes and those prostitutes use to00:50:52
get clients so they have Gins to bring00:50:55
people to them so say ah ah drive you00:50:57
crazy today so we converted them then we00:51:01
left after a few days I saw in the00:51:03
newspaper that 20 or 30 prostitutes were00:51:05
caught by police and put in00:51:08
jail and we got the jins again I asked00:51:11
them what happened they said yes they00:51:13
were working for the prostitutes now00:51:15
they have become Muslim they sold them00:51:16
away to the00:51:18
police you see so this is the00:51:21
eradication00:51:22
program first point of eradication00:51:25
program is each client each um we don't00:51:30
say clients we say patients that come uh00:51:34
we look for his professional00:51:37
situation second Point all the sorcerers00:51:40
that have worked on him will will remove00:51:43
all their Gins and turn them back00:51:46
against00:51:47
it and that will that will mean if we00:51:50
come to a place and we have a large uh a00:51:54
large campaign having lots of people00:51:56
people so that will break all the00:51:59
Sorcerers of that00:52:01
locality because we will get people that00:52:03
have been hurt by all those different00:52:06
sorceries and especially when someone00:52:08
tells us that he has gone everywhere00:52:11
meeting so much people and he was wrong00:52:14
he has been to lots of sorcerers so if00:52:16
through that guy we're going to take the00:52:18
Gins of all the sorcerers00:52:20
inshallah00:52:22
Okay now what's else in eradication in00:52:26
edication you have the00:52:28
visits visiting the places that are00:52:31
likely to have lots of Gins00:52:33
alhamdulillah some have been with us to00:52:35
the hill what00:52:37
hill pendal hill mashallah where00:52:40
Sorcerers meet since when since CTIC00:52:43
ages alhamdulillah to remove those je so00:52:47
we go to we go to strategic places it00:52:52
could be natural places well a The00:52:54
Source was like I mean the places that00:52:57
they do rituals are very beautiful00:52:59
natural places especially when there is00:53:02
water or next to the Sea00:53:04
Etc so alhamdulillah we go watch those00:53:07
beautiful places uh and we get very very00:53:10
old Gins because those places were00:53:12
beautiful since thousands of00:53:15
years and uh what else we go to00:53:19
cemeteries we go to um uh psychiatric00:53:24
hospitals prisons we go to to places of00:53:27
power political parties we go to00:53:31
different churches or uh uh religious uh00:53:36
temples or whatever sects yeah we go to00:53:40
any place where it is likable to find00:53:42
lots of jins and also the visit of00:53:46
sorcerers so mallah this is a new Sunnah00:53:49
we have made in Ro in our Ro group00:53:53
that's wherever you go we ask for the00:53:54
biggest Sorcerers the most wellknown00:53:56
sourcers there go to visit them give00:53:59
them some da and show them the Gin catch00:54:01
you tell them we have a technique to00:54:03
catch look at this and we bring their00:54:05
own Gans in front of them and we discuss00:54:09
with them what are we doing with this00:54:10
guy said well we work with him what kind00:54:12
of job yes we break couples we kill00:54:15
people we get people mad we do this we00:54:17
do that ah and what is he given you for00:54:21
that oh he's giv us sheep and cows and00:54:23
chicken and this said okay and what's00:54:26
else are you taking from him ah they00:54:28
said no that's a secret and we said oh00:54:31
we really want to know about the secret00:54:33
and we00:54:34
read the day the secrets will come00:54:38
out so they say we take his health and00:54:40
his00:54:41
children you see and actually the00:54:45
sorcerer is always the biggest loser in00:54:48
his work he is himself the biggest loser00:54:52
and they would say that and then we will00:54:56
make them become Muslim and destroy all00:54:58
the s that is there all the sacrifices00:55:00
and let them fight him and we go and00:55:05
sometimes I just because I like making00:55:08
jokes mallah sometimes I'll give him00:55:11
some money this is 2 three pounds for00:55:14
your visit and we00:55:17
go and we leave him H and he would be00:55:20
mad crazy about it and he's going to do00:55:24
all kinds of he can do send all kinds of00:55:27
Gins he can send against us and we're00:55:29
going to catch them make them bu Islam00:55:32
send them back against him then he's00:55:34
going to call all the sorcerers he can00:55:36
call please help me this white man has00:55:38
destroyed my work and they're going to00:55:40
send all the Gins that they can sin and00:55:43
we're going to catch them make them00:55:44
Embrace Islam return them against them00:55:47
but really we do alhamdulillah catch00:55:49
them return them against them but00:55:51
sometimes problems happen it can make us00:55:53
a car accident it can make something00:55:55
happen these are things that can happen00:55:58
alhamdulillah things that can happen so00:56:01
we must make lot of Dua but we fight and00:56:04
inallah we always00:56:07
win it's like in the films the good is00:56:09
always win00:56:13
alhamdulillah so what we say this is new00:56:16
Sunnah we have made00:56:18
in we are talking about00:56:21
eradication what else we have in00:56:25
eradication the last point is to follow00:56:27
up the news whatever is happening we00:56:31
catch the Gins convert them send them00:56:34
against the00:56:35
sorcerers and then you see things00:56:38
changing you see things changing00:56:41
sometimes most of the time we don't see00:56:43
anything we just do it we don't see00:56:46
anything happening but sometimes we see00:56:48
things happening things do happen and00:56:51
things change so that is the00:56:54
eradication okay it is the third stage00:56:57
but even now as we are we do our best to00:57:00
do it for example if we are coming in a00:57:04
campaign to help the center that we are00:57:06
trying to establish we must neutralize a00:57:10
maximum of the00:57:12
sorcerers so that the people that you00:57:14
are going to leave that's going to easy00:57:17
their job a maximum they will have they00:57:19
will find the maxim of things that have00:57:21
been cut off it will be easier for them00:57:24
to implement but they're going to fight00:57:26
and the Sorcerer is going to fight them00:57:28
totally what I want to say is that in00:57:30
this fight against Sorcerers and there's00:57:34
no place you can stop you say no I'm00:57:36
going to stop here I don't want to get00:57:38
involved in that because they're going00:57:40
to attack you even if you don't attack00:57:43
them they're going to attack you so00:57:44
might as well attack them all once for00:57:47
all and that's00:57:48
it don't say that oh I just want to00:57:50
treat people I don't want to get00:57:52
involved with problem with Sorcerers you00:57:55
cannot you're bring making their00:57:57
business they will attack you so might00:58:00
as well attack them the hardest you00:58:04
can may Allah accept us and guide00:58:15
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