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from Tel Aviv the former British army
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officer and now Trustee of the UK
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Friends of the association for the
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well-being of Israeli soldiers Colonel
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Richard Kemp and from romala Palestinian
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national initiative leader Mustafa bouti
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thank you both for joining me let me
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start with you if I may Mr barouti uh
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we've just had this news in we've all
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just heard it of the Deputy head of
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hamaz being killed in Beirut obviously
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this is the leader of the group that
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killed Palestinians in the K in Gaza in
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20 6 to 7 and of course one of the
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people who planned the October the 7th
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Massacre what's your response to his
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killing
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tonight well if you allow me and I hope
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you will accept that from me I think
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your presentation is absolutely
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one-sided totally biased to the Israeli
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side you speak about the right of Israel
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to defend itself but you don't mention
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the right of the Palestinian people to
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defend themselves you failed to mention
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that Israel is the aggress
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which started this terrible occupation
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since 56 years and Palestinians as
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people under occupation according to
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international law have the right to
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defend themselves and to resist
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occupation you you failed to mention
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that no less than 29,000 civilian
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Palestinians have been killed by Israeli
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BB I mentioned that I mentioned that
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including in no no you mentioned as if
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they were killed on their own not by
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Israeli bombardment what should be clear
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here is that 29,000 Palestinians if we
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include those under the rebel have been
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killed by Israeli terrible air strikes
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and artillery bombardment including no
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less than 12,000 children I've said so
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many times on so many programs I'm
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against the killing of any civilian
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whether Palestinian or Israel but if you
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speak about the killing of 30 Israeli
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children you should also speak about the
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12,000 Palestinian children who were
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killed well
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Mr May uh I did mention the killing of
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children I did say that that is
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appalling damage in the war but let me
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let me finish the question before you
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try to answer a question I haven't yet
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asked you said that the Palestinian
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people allowed to uh resist as you call
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it what what does that look like in your
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view according to international law
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people who are under occupation have the
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right to resist in all forms including
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military forms as long as they respect
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international law and international
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humanitarian law okay so what does it
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look like does it Israel Israel wants
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not only to look I've been struggling
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with nonviolent resistance all my life I
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was injured nine times by the Israeli
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Army although I never used any weapon I
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was shot I was shot twice but but you're
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not telling but you're telling me sir
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wait a minute you're not telling me what
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legitimate resistance is while
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legitimate resistance is all forms of
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resistance that respect International
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humanitarian law which means not
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attacking civilians not attacking
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children it's very clear that's what
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international law says I not creating
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that okay but even when I was in my
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white coat wait a minute when I was in
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my white coat in treating an injured
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person an Israeli sniper shot me twice
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the same same mentality of these snipers
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killed Shireen Abu your colleague the
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journalist and nobody no Israeli was
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indicted 33 of my Pro my colleagues
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doctors nurses health professionals have
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been killed by Israeli air strikes in
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Gaza 104 ambulances were destroyed all
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our health centers were destroyed this
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is not acceptable okay thank you mrti Mr
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baruti we have another guest so I'd like
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to go over to Tel Aviv to Colonel
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Richard Kemp what do you make of what
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you've just
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heard well I think um Mr barouti talks
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about uh legitimate resistance adhering
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to the laws of War uh well first of all
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resistance to war what the the Israelis
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withdrew from Gaza in
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2005 uh and set effectively set up a two
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State solution let let the Palestinian
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Authority which was then taken over by
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Hamas run their own territory so what
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are they actually resisting what's this
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resistance about and when it comes to
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the laws of war the people the Hamas
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butchers that Mr barouti has been quoted
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as referring to as our brave Fighters
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they went into Israeli territory on the
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7th of October they raped burnt alive
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butchered cut off their heads kidnapped
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abused civilians and soldiers civilians
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though which is you know against
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obviously it's against any law of War it
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was against the laws of war to kill
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anyone inside another country but in in
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that way but but to do to to to butcher
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civilians like that what where's the
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laws of war there and secondly ever
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since that day and of course many many
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times before his Brave Hamas Fighters as
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he calls them have been firing rockets
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indiscriminately at civilian populations
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inside Israel and they're still doing so
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they won't be doing so much longer
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because they're about to be throttled by
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the IDF and not only that but they've
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also been firing them from within the
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civilian population that is against the
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laws of armed conflict and preventing
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civilians from leaving the combat areas
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when the igf are trying to warn them
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about attacks again against the laws of
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arm conflict they've also fired many of
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their Rockets into the Gaza civilian
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population we just have to look at the
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Al Ali Hospital attack that was
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attributed to the IDF but turned out to
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be an Islamic Jihad and other Brave
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Islamic Jihad Fighters firing their own
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Rockets into their own civilian
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population let's not forget what Hamas
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is all about here the the reason Hamas
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launched this attack there are strategic
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reasons of course but the the overriding
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reason they launched this attack on the
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7th of October and the reason they
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launched all of their attacks is to
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force Israel to defend itself from these
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attacks which any country and every
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country would do and has the right and
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the obligation to do and in in carrying
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out its reaction to these attacks Israel
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unfortunately has no choice but to to
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kill innocent civilians in the process
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despite the efforts they take which are
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enormous to avoid doing that but that's
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what Hamas wants Hamas they don't they
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don't just want civilians to protect
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their terrorists they want Israel to
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kill civilians so that Israel is then
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condemned delegitimized vilified
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isolated around the world and it happen
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works every time in the United Nations
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the
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universities uh in in some governments
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human rights groups always condemn
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Israel that's what Hamas want and that
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encourages Hamas to do it again and
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again and again and by Mr barouti who
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who claims to support peaceful
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resistance by Mr barouti justifying what
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they do he also has blood on his hands
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from
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encouraging get a moment Mr V you're
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going to get a moment to respond to that
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I I just want to ask you first let's
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just clear that this up before you do
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respond to Colonel Kemp did you call him
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as our brave Fighters or
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not I never said that no I don't know
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where you got that from no it's not true
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you are putting words in my mouth but
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let me let me respond to what the
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colonal said the colonialist said is
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reflecting clearly a very clear white
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supremacy approach it is okay Supremacy
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why don't you say why don't you say why
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don't you say clearly that you are
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supporting the killing of Palestinian
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children why don't you say clearly that
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you are supporting the killing of
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Palestinian civilians why don't you say
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that you are supporting Israeli
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occupation of Palestinian land and
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supporting three terrible war crimes
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even the American public is against that
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three war crimes the war crime of
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genocide which the international court
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of justice is looking into now the war
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crime of collective punishment and the
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war crime of ethnic cleansing 90 wait a
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minute 90% of the Palestinian people
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were eved from their homes what would
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you have said if Palestinians eved
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Israelis from their homes that be
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acceptable they have done why don't you
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use the same standard I'm going to go
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back I'm going to go back to colel k a
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moment but why why is why is this white
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supremacy where did that come from the
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Israeli public are not all white because
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I don't I think you don't see us white
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enough and you are against anybody who's
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not white and that's why you justify
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terrible atrocities that Israel is
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committing and you are justifying not
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only the fact that Israel is occupying
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us but the fact that Israel conducted
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the worst kind of ethnic cleansing in
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1948 forcing 70% of the Palestinian
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people out I'm going to go back to col
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facts I'll just go back to Colonel Kemp
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quickly Colonel Kemp you you said that
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he that Mr vgy said our brave Fighters
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were hamz he says he didn't say that um
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who's
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right well I certainly read him quote he
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may not have said it but I read him
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being quoted as saying I think it was
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Middle East eye or something like that
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but he can certainly if he'd like to
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Google it to see what he actually said
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he can find that on the internet and
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what do you make of this claim and what
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do you make of this claim Colonel Kemp
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that everyone who justifies always in
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any way on the side of his during this
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war is a is a white supremacist because
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Israel doesn't look like a very allwhite
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country to me but I don't
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know no I mean you know there's there
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are all blends of um races in Israel and
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one thing we should remember as well is
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that there is a significant Muslim Arab
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population in Israel and one thing that
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I've observed in recent weeks ised a
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skyring a skyrocketing of support for
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Israel among the Israeli Arab Muslim
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population the the poll polls number of
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polls have shown that a huge grow growth
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of support for Israel a greater
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association with the state of Israel
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since the 7th of October and that is
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partly due to the fact that Hamas his
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his Brave fighters from Hamas that that
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he clearly supports came in and um and
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butchered not just uh Israelis but
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Israeli Jews but they also came and and
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killed a number of Arabs and and and
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people from many different ethnicities
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so what he's talking I think it's a
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great throwaway line white supremacy it
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obviously gets you know it's one of
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these intersectional terms you know me
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too and all this sort of stuff it's it's
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he obviously thinks that's going to
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Garner support for him for people who uh
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you know do object rightly object to the
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idea of white supremacy but I don't
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think that comes into this argument one
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little bit Mr margi finally we've
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already got a few seconds but you said
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we need to go back to 1947 and 1948
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what do you say to the people who say
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you can go back thousands of years and
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you never never have an end to this
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argument well look Palestinians were
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displaced from their country including
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cities like jafa where my father lived
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and haa and AKA 75 years ago if Israel
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is after 3,000 years have the right to
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go back and demand to be in Palestine
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then why not Palestinians who have been
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evicted 75 years ago why should we
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forget about our own country and let's
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go back to the United Nations resolution
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that established the state of Israel it
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said that there should be two states
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Israel and Palestine Israel was created
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and Palestine was occupied that is the
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reality as we all know Mr Mari there's
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one thing we can be sure about about
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that that's highly disputed history as
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it all is there wasn't a Palestinian
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State then there could have been it's
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the United Nation resolution it's a it's
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a very sad thing there wasn't a
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Palestinian State created then and that
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the Palestinians it will be it will be I
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assure you a lot of people hope it will
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be but uh if there certainly won't be if
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people are praising hamz and uh the
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longer they're around the less likely it
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is there will ever be a Palestinian
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State as far as I can see but thank you
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very much Colonel Richard Kemp in Tel
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Aviv and thank you uh to masafa bouti
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our intersectionalist tonight in
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rala

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The ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict has once again ignited a heated debate between two prominent figures, former British Army Colonel Richard Kemp, and Mustafa Barghouti who is the Palestinian National Initiative Leader. The fiery debate on Piers Morgan Uncensored was guest hosted by Douglas Murray, with all three expressing their contrasting views on the recent killing of the deputy head of Hamas in Beirut. Their clash highlighted the complex nature of the conflict, with arguments revolving around the right to defend oneself, civilian casualties, and accusations of white supremacy. Mustafa Barghouti at one point accused Colonel Richard Kemp of putting words in his mouth. Subscribe to stay up-to-date on all Uncensored content. Follow Piers Morgan Uncensored on: Twitter: https://twitter.com/PiersUncensored Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@piersmorganuncensored Follow Piers Morgan on: Twitter: https://twitter.com/piersmorgan Instagram: https://www.facebook.com/unsupportedbrowser Piers Morgan Uncensored is now available on TalkTV, Fox Nation and Sky News Australia!

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